Is Pakistan the heir to the Mughals?

[Foinikas]

Idk he is jatt or whatever, jatt were peasants.

no baba converted you guys. Without the protection of swords, no baba would have done anything. Mughals Recruited everyone after defeating them.

By the way,since we're talking about Mughals,the guy who made your avatar is my online Pak friend,like a brother.

 

[SIPRA]

Today 2 new terms have been added to my vocab- TFWE and SDRE
I will take the liberty to add MBWRE (Medium Brown Wheat & Rice Eaters like me). Why is that all these sounds like steaks?

Now, out of these three attributes of height, complexion and food, we can create, I believe, hundreds of categories, with the associated acronyms. A new field of study has emerged.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

You do get that my reference was to Syed Ahmed Khan.

He was Hindustani too.

 

[313ghazi]

It's part of our history, but we're not the heirs of an empire. We need to focus on taking ownership of the people within our borders.

 

[Paitoo]

Now, out of these three attributes of height, complexion and food, we can create, I believe, hundreds of categories, with the associated acronyms. A new field of study has emerged.

I feel 3 are not enough. I think we should add 2 more attributes to obtain more categories:

1. Libido
2. IQ

This will make it more interesting.

 

[SIPRA]

I feel 3 are not enough. I think we should add 2 more attributes to obtain more categories:

1. Libido
2. IQ

This will make it more interesting.

Good idea, but care shall be taken that the length of acronyms doesn't start beating the names of Sri Lankans and probably South Indians.

 

[Paitoo]

Good idea, but care shall be taken that the length of acronyms doesn't start beating the names of Sri Lankans and probably South Indians.

Sorry, I will need to re-examine the new attributes. I just read in a magazine of somewhat dodgy reputation that people with low IQ have high libido. So these attributes are not independent and may result in some invalid categories. When a matter of such supreme importance like sub-continent male's ego is concerned, we cannot be casual in our approach.

 

[SIPRA]

Sorry, I will need to re-examine the new attributes. I just read in a magazine of somewhat dodgy reputation that people with low IQ have high libido. So these attributes are not independent and may result in some invalid categories. When a matter of such supreme importance like sub-continent male's ego is concerned, we cannot be casual in our approach.

People of Subcontinent wouldn't give much damn to IQ, but no compromise on the other attribute.

 

[S.Y.A]

Apologies, heat of the moment but according to laws majority of mughals would be considered illegitimate/bastards
so what I am saying is true even if it sounds bad or politically incorrect

I take it back if I can but I am not exactly wrong

According to Islamic law, yes they would be (only jahangir or shah jahan, rest had muslim mothers). if their wives hadnt been converted to Islam (a big if, since the last rites of akbar's wife were not performed according to hinduism but according to Islam). Unfortunately, though Muslims, the Mughals didnt really used to care much about Islam. Though during that time, Muslims did have primacy. a Muslim leader, no matter how sinful, is still a Muslim (much like our own leaders, and members of political, judicial, or military fraternities)

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Pakistani identity is parochial, a strong denial of Indian identity which likely is from the ancient past [perhaps from Mahabharat war]. We know gypsies originated in Pakistani Punjab and till the 21st century they had denied they originated in India.

 

[S.Y.A]

Apologies, heat of the moment but according to laws majority of mughals would be considered illegitimate/bastards
so what I am saying is true even if it sounds bad or politically incorrect

I take it back if I can but I am not exactly wrong

also, there are a lot of people in punjab as well who put mughal in their names, or chughtai. Mughals were Chagatais.

 

[ummarz]

Pakistani identity is parochial, a strong denial of Indian identity which likely is from the ancient past [perhaps from Mahabharat war]. We know gypsies originated in Pakistani Punjab and till the 21st century they had denied they originated in India.

Why should a Punjabi who has always lived in current day Pakistan, who's ancestors never lived in any part of current day India claim to have Indian identity... ? They can however claim to belong to Indus Valley civilization.

What the historians or ancient empires attributed to India in the past is now divided among various countries in the Indian subcontinent.

Further more, Punjabis and Pathans of current day Pakistan have had more connections extending westward, than eastward. Our language, heritage, culture, and migration routes have always had much stronger connections to west and Central Asia than to south East Asia/ India. Ofcourse Punjabis have also had influences from people who lived in lands that form part of India now. Just like modern day Indians had from people living in lands part of modern Pakistan.

Pakistani identity is not parochial, it is in fact beautifully diverse.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Why should a Punjabi who has always lived in current day Pakistan, who's ancestors never lived in any part of current day India claim to have Indian identity... ? They can however claim to belong to Indus Valley civilization.

What the historians or ancient empires attributed to India in the past is now divided among various countries in the Indian subcontinent.

Further more, Punjabis and Pathans of current day Pakistan have had more connections extending westward, than eastward. Our language, heritage, culture, and migration routes have always had much stronger connections to west and Central Asia than to south East Asia/ India. Ofcourse Punjabis have also had influences from people who lived in lands that form part of India now. Just like modern day Indians had from people living in lands part of modern Pakistan.

Alexander invaded a part of India which today is Pakistan. So India existed.

 

[hussain0216]

Alexander invaded a part of India which today is Pakistan. So India existed.

No it didn't, it's like saying Africa existed

What connection do the people of Pakistan have with the people to the east?

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

By the way ...

What do they teach in Greece, Alexander invaded India. Yes?