Is Pakistan’s future submarine programme sailing into troubled waters?

[Developereo]

French Subs or German, Pakistan can do without any of them. Think twice before calling Sir Zardari Mr. 10%. How could you stay stuck in some news-article written 12 year back? What is that 10%? in reality it might be only 9.6% or even lesser but its always rounded off and called as 10%? Why? Sir Zardari knows that the world hates him and calls him foot(A$$)-licker but even then does what he needs to do for the country. He tells the world that Pakistan is about to fall in the hands of Taliban if they didn't support his government. He is a self-less person in true sense. And what is he asking from you and this nation for the great service? He well deserve to earn few million dollars from billions of dollars of french deal. He has 2 English Speaking daughters and a son (who'll be our next prime-minister) to look after. Did you ever think about it? He needs our support and tolerance. Please support PPP and let Zardari earn his bread.. with that, I would also request you to stay at homes, avoid street-protests and tolerate more and celebrate democracy. This is for our betterment in the end!

I am longing to see the day when Blawal-Bhutto-Zardari would be our Prime-Minister.. and if I am not wrong, we are merely heading towards that. We deserve him.. even being a patriotic Pakistani, I deserve to be governed by somebody great like him and so does every Pakistani!

Don't forget the Sharif brothers. They, too, are selfless patriots who pay more than their share of taxes and have helped the Pakistani economy from their pesonal bank accounts.

We are fortunate, indeed, to have such patriotic, visionary leaders like Zardari and the Sharifs!

 

[Developereo]

I appologise.. actually I am so carried away in the love of Sir Zardari that I feel every blame of corruption is decade old history. I think I need to be more neutral here but I am not the only one, all the senior and most of the public representatives and social servants of PPP are offering the same degree of love as I am doing. They never complain and never questioned the divine intellectual abilities of Sir Zardari. I personally feel those 8 years of lonesome imprisonment has invoked few additional spiritual chakras in him that he is able to govern better than he used to do before. I am sure his name will be written in history and we will remember him for many generations coming ahead. Few days back I had missed the "Collective Prayer" conducted for the long-life of Sir Zardari. Are there any members willing to conduct that again?

Good work, man!
I was laughing at every sentence.
I think some people missed the sarcasm in your posts and took them seriously.
They need to reread them.

 

[sadiqams]

i got a feeling that his son will not make it to PM if the people of Pakistan have their say!

 

[TaimiKhan]

graphican, one of the most awesome sarcastic posts, but beware the law is in effect for abusing Mr.10% , his security czar can anytime get u

And all senior guys, plz give this guy a break, read his posts with minute details and see the mockery & sarcasm in them. he ain't no supporter of 10%.

 

[graphican]

Don't forget the Sharif brothers. They, too, are selfless patriots who pay more than their share of taxes and have helped the Pakistani economy from their pesonal bank accounts.

We are fortunate, indeed, to have such patriotic, visionary leaders like Zardari and the Sharifs!

I agree sir. I see Nawaz Shareef is equally responsible for letting American Puppy Moulana Zardari do his job. If I have capacity stop some crime and I am silent and just letting that happen, I would be equally culprit. We need some body patriotic.. Somebody wants Ahmadinejad as our president? Would somebody support ZaidHammid?

 

[graphican]

i got a feeling that his son will not make it to PM if the people of Pakistan have their say!

As a matter of fact, people of Pakistan hold no value in decision making. Its either Mr. 10% (the American Puppet) who decides, or the Saudi Puppet Moulana NawazShareef (who indirectly also falls in the hands of Americans) or the mother of all sicknesses Sir Moulana Fazal-ul-Rehman (The Zoinest Puppet), or another sick skull of Indian origin Sir Altaf-Hussein. There is on one you could really count on. No one is born leader who would talk of Pakistan not his community or clan.

Somebody wants Zaid Hammid to be our president?? Its a loud thinking but are there people who would support him for the job?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

graphican thank god you are not a zardari lover.. lolz... but anyways.. can we stick to the topic? we can discuss political matters in political section..

 

[graphican]

First of all how old are you? second do you have any idea or clue who and wat and why you are supporting 10%? do you even know his history? or his fam history? do you know wat he & his courpt gov is doing to Pakistan? My fam has serverd proudly in the armed forces of Pakistan and some are still so i think i know a bit more of the inside scoup then you ! and all of Pakistan know's your 10% even us overseas Pakistani! you know why because we acutally care wat happens to our nation and its future other then you with no knowledge and nor and facts to back up your statments ! you must be on something forsure ! iam done here

Sir I am 30 years old Alhamdolillah and I am trying to say what Sir Zardari deserves. This nation deserves to be ruled by people like him. Balawal-Bhutto-Zardari is begin prepared as our next Prime-Minister. I would be over-joyed to see a man who speaks foreign-languages better than ours, who knows streets of London better than Streets of Karachi/Lahore/Quetta and Peshawar and who knows how to swing in the hands of English girls right at this age. After all these are the qualities of a National Leaders and is exactly what our nation deserves. And also because sooner or later, to avoid allegations of corruption, Blawal-Bhutto-Zardari will be in self-exile and would need to live part of his life serving this nation by staying in Central London.

 

[araz]

OK guys Enough of Sir Zardari and Bilawal. lets get back to the topic.
it is indeed a travesty that we have had rulers who have preferred their interests over those of the nation. This line of thought goes back a long way and I am sure if you evaluate the decisions made in the past as well, it will become apparent, that people have squered pakistan to fill their own pockets.
U214 is a good decision, and there is now a debate and enough pressure both from the parlianment and the public to ensure that we do not go wrong.
I know that the french have played dirty all along to derail this acquisition but hapefully soon it will be thwarted. Apparently the tiger deal was also part of the same plan, along with other candies that were metted out to various personalities.
I would hope that the pressure on our leaders will prevent them from doing anything stupid.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[Arsalan]

wow
sir TOPGUN! i am amazed that how did you missed the real theam of is post!
it was just sarcastic post. i wonder how the old fellows like you, Sir Growler and Patriot missed all together!!
i guess the response by you people show the love and respect any pakistani can have for Mr. Zardari and i bet that Mr. graphican is no exception!

i hope it clears the situation! !

regards!

 

[Arsalan]

oke so now getting back to the topic, i thnk that PN may well get along wiht the U214 deal.
i have given my points in a thread discussing procurement of U214 but just to referesh it i will make some brief points here
firstly the U214 deal is not over by any mean. yes, it was some hwat rejected by Zardari but now as the opposition have raised its voice and an opportunity have been presented to chief of naval staff to have a say on what he feels will be better for PN, we might well be watching the deal going ahead soon!
as the matter have been made public and media can easily make a scandal out of it so i doubt that zardari is going to do any thing stupid, aslo the fench have nothing much to offer so i dont think it will be easy for PN cheif to go in support of french subs, even under some sort of pressure. the scorpions are not an option for PN with the indians already getting them and the marlin is still on drawing board and will take quite some time before it could be inducted!
the only good that can come from french way will be the Nuclear su Barcuda and if this happens it will be worth a go!

i hope most of you guys get the point that i have tried to make here!
now i think it is worth a tab at the thanks button

regards!

 

[graphican]

Hello Guys,

I think I was leaving enough points for anybody to get whether I was in favor or against Mr.10.1%. The moment I got that my friends are not getting the pun, I had to increase the color of criticism just to make things more visible. Anyway, I am sorry I just mixed some off-topic discussion with something serious over here but please allow me to make just another post which is equally important as the original topic.

Okay there is one thought in my mind and Since most of the people here are intellectual, literate and visionary, I want to put that before you to take your opinion.

I have been working at a project by the name polls.pk at a very low throttle over the past 4 years. Originally I had two domain names, polls.com.pk and polls.pk and I wanted the projected to be called as "Polls Pakistan" but because of low-activity, I am remained with one of them that is Polls.pk - Polls.pk. (a test design template of one of my clients is running on it, don't get distracted with that.. Polls.pk's own polls enabled site could be up in matter of 4 weeks)

I am mentioning it because I feel I am getting the similar vibes from people over here over the issue of German or French Subs that was my reason of initiating this project. The General Public Wisdom is voting in the favor of German Subs of Barracuda French Subs but over leaders might decide in the favor of "better personal offer". So in spite of the fact that professionals are asking for something, decision might be made against it and one of the reasons would be that Professional's voices are not "heard" to the level they should be.

Think of a public voting portal where 78% people would want to go for German Subs and of cours by giving logical reasons for that and Bloggers/Print-Media/Internet Media etc could use those public polls results and make the voice heard by the messes. Poll at this defense portal like this can also do the job but Pakistan has such issues from all fields of life and for most of issues them there are no discussion forums or reference-able site. So my intention is to make Polls.pk a place that Pakistani's could use, initialize topics of public & national interests and those could be used/referenced by Pakistani Media of greater public penetration like Newspapers, TV, Radio and even internet. We often see American and International organization coming in the country and giving us rating that which leader is popular and which is not and those results are used by Anchors, News agencies etc.

I dont want to earn money from this project instead I want this be my contribution to the nation. So I am open to have moderators, volunteers and field specialists to come up and participate with their own name, identity and representations. As the project moves on, I will enable mobile(sms) functionality and public ads could be placed on the site to meet the functionality expenses.

If any one among you is able to hear "Yes" in his mind after reading my proposal or wants to ask questions, please contact me at Polls.PK@gmail.com

 

[naziar]

Visualizing every act of Zardari and PPP government with narrow mind is totally unfair. PPP government is yet to finalize deal with France regarding submarines. Mr. Zardari and Mr. Gilani enjoy cooperation and back support of Military commanders of Pakistan. PPP popular leaders and military command and specially naval command is very much alive to safeguard interests of Pakistan in Arabian sea and Zardari led PPP government to decide submarine deal which will have strategic interests for Pakistan.Mr. Usman has painted picture as if international delis are just matter of kickbacks and commissions, it’s not the reality. Defense deal is a real sensitive issue and in scenario of nuclear south Asia and anti terrorism war hit Pakistan, defense deal with European countries have many other impacts; so just in enmity of PPP and President Zardari do not malign defense deals with kickbacks. Pakistani leadership and specially Mr. Zardari to decide in favor of Pakistan.

 

[TOPGUN]

wow
sir TOPGUN! i am amazed that how did you missed the real theam of is post!
it was just sarcastic post. i wonder how the old fellows like you, Sir Growler and Patriot missed all together!!
i guess the response by you people show the love and respect any pakistani can have for Mr. Zardari and i bet that Mr. graphican is no exception!

i hope it clears the situation! !

regards!

Clear the situation up ! is that i have no love nor any support for Zardari or his corupt ways and his gov and followers ! and yes back to the topic!

 

[Mercenary]

I think we should rely on Germany to supply us Advanced Battle Tanks and Submarines and China and France for Air Craft.