Is Pakistan on its way to becoming the first country to defeat a large scale Islamist insurgency?

[Manidabest]

it is not an insurgency but a disabling the failed plot by Indians and Afghan NDS to export terror in Pakistan... we are basically defeating terrorists supported and aided by india and nds ......

 

[Salik]

I was not aware of the ‘3 colonels’ recommending “The mujahedeen, or holy warriors, returning home after inflicting defeat on the Red Army should be disarmed” and a few other things and would like thank Hon Zaravan for posting this.

I have also one question. When there is always the option to resign; where is the conscience of all the army officers while they are in service?

It is apparent the “Conscience” of service personnel is a beast that only wakes up after they retire.

I don't think sir disarming a huge number of mujahideen was good idea. Instead bring them in main stream, giving the status of paramilitary force. Document them in return of monthly pay. Then gradually downsize after giving due honour. A nick in time saves nine.

 

[ebrahym]

pakistan is already being considered a successful country against terrorism..... that is why turkish wanted pakian help after ankara bombing and many other countries are expressing gratitude and seek pakian help against terrorism .... that is also why COAS Gen. Raheel Shariff was warmly welcomed in the States.

 

[asad71]

Top of their demands was implementation of sharia law, whatever version they had. And they did it in the areas they had under their control like Swat etc. Historian will write it as Islamic or religious insurgency, whatever background they had.

Second question is religion is easy tool to blackmail anyone.

1. Didn't we have laws and courts before the British colonials arrived? Did not our Sultans, Princes, Kotwals and other elite not appear before the Qadi to stand trial when summoned? That was Sharia Law.
2. Why should we follow the English Common Law? Are we English? In this judicial system left by the colonials for us to follow, can a poor man ever get justice? He doesn't have the money even to buy the stamp papers for the lawyer to write his "arji" / petition. The system we have is a system to benefit not the litigants but the cops, lawyers, court officials and even judges. This is pure and simple business.

 

[Salik]

1. Didn't we have laws and courts before the British colonials arrived? Did not our Sultans, Princes, Kotwals and other elite not appear before the Qadi to stand trial when summoned? That was Sharia Law.
2. Why should we follow the English Common Law? Are we English? In this judicial system left by the colonials for us to follow, can a poor man ever get justice? He doesn't have the money even to buy the stamp papers for the lawyer to write his "arji" / petition. The system we have is a system to benefit not the litigants but the cops, lawyers, court officials and even judges. This is pure and simple business.

In western countries state offers lawer if you can't afford one. If we're stuck in 40s west isn't to be blamed for that.

 

[asad71]

In western countries state offers lawer if you can't afford one. If we're stuck in 40s west isn't to be blamed for that.

That law is in SA also. But in practice nobody will give you money to bear basic expenses for filing the case. In USA, the lawyer selected by the Court knows he will not be selected again unless he toes the DA's line. Tell me why the hell should I have to hire a lawyer if I can find somebody else able to defend me? I haven't heard much transgression of justice under FCR or Jirga courts.

 

[Salik]

That law is in SA also. But in practice nobody will give you money to bear basic expenses for filing the case. In USA, the lawyer selected by the Court knows he will not be selected again unless he toes the DA's line. Tell me why the hell should I have to hire a lawyer if I can find somebody else able to defend me? I haven't heard much transgression of justice under FCR or Jirga courts.

Islam brought qazi court system. Initially Caliph himself acted as qazi. Then there was qazi ul qaza the chief justice. Even this profession started a new qazi caste. Today what we see judges and court system is developed shape it.

Jirga is mainly system of pushtun tribal area of Afg and Pak. Only thing that makes it distinctive is its decisions in light of Islamic laws, that can also be done through sharia courts of Pakistan. So TTP's nizam e adl wasn't a pure Islamic idea but mixture of pushtun and Islamic traditions.

Regarding USA, if their lawyer doesn't work neutrally the system would've collapsed but that isn't the case.

 

[asad71]

Islam brought qazi court system. Initially Caliph himself acted as qazi. Then there was qazi ul qaza the chief justice. Even this profession started a new qazi caste. Today what we see judges and court system is developed shape it.

Jirga is mainly system of pushtun tribal area of Afg and Pak. Only thing that makes it distinctive is its decisions in light of Islamic laws, that can also be done through sharia courts of Pakistan. So TTP's nizam e adl wasn't a pure Islamic idea but mixture of pushtun and Islamic traditions.

Regarding USA, if their lawyer doesn't work neutrally the system would've collapsed but that isn't the case.

1.Less we talk about the US justice system the better it is. The judges are appointed based on political loyalty. The system of Plea Bargain has been criticized for ever by top US jurists and judges. If you accept a guilt although you are innocent, then you can bargain to be let off lightly. Otherwise you rot in their so called "Corrective Centers". You never know when your case will come up. May be after ages. That's why people take advantage of the plea bargain modality. Also US judicial system is highly corrupt. It's all a game of money. If you have money to dole out you can get bail and fight your case from outside custody. Otherwise bad luck.
2. I have known a little about the jirga system. And I admire this.

 

[Ice Cube]

nothing will work as long as Pakistan remains an ally of saudia, kill thousands in zarb e azb but millions are being indoctrinated into the ways of terror and jihad in your 50,000 or whatever madrassas, spl those that are saudi funded, those ones are non stop churning out jihadists, good luck.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Pakistan facilitated this so-called insurgency by its own incompetence and negilegence by recruiting, training and equipping militants and ignoring presence to militants and terrorists. Cleaning up your own created mess does not give you any browny points.

 

[Mrc]

Pakistan facilitated this so-called insurgency by its own incompetence and negilegence by recruiting, training and equipping militants and ignoring presence to militants and terrorists. Cleaning up your own created mess does not give you any browny points.

There is nothing wrong in owning a dog...
Just be prepared to put it down if it turns mad

 

[Pakistani till death]

what a stupid thread by a stupid poster!....pakistan itself is an islamic terrorist state....Pakistan creates islamic terrorists and spreads islamic terrorism across the world....how come it would defeat islamist insurgency??

How would an islamist insurgency attack the country that supports islamist insurgencies? Or maybe you are trying to say that we support them to attack us. You are just jealous that 5 lakh indian soldiers could not achieve this against a much weaker militia in kashmir.

 

[Pakistani till death]

Taliban was pak army's and ISI's creation.....they fed these snakes and expected that these snakes will bite the indians and the afghans....but now these snakes are biting Pakistanis...and snakes do not lick,they bite anybody....you reap what you sow

Pakistan never supported ttp which is the insurgency we are about to win against. We supported to mujahideen who were also supported by the USA. No one knew they would end up to be the taliban.

And do remind me which country openly supported the tamil tiger (terrorist insurgency)? The inventors of the suicide bombing

 

[Pakistani till death]

what about Pakistani terrrorist organizations like Lashkar-e-Tayyaba,Jaish-e-Mohammad,lashkar-e-Jhangvi??...Aren't they Pak army and ISI's creations??Fact is that Pak army and the ISI,both are terrorist organizations...they support and fund these pakistani terror outfits...they will never act against their friends.....Peace will prevail in the sub-continent only if notorious Pak army and the ISI are destroyed....they are threat to global security

You still havent answered my question. Who supported the tamil tigers. The real fact is that most countries us such groups for their benefit and india is no exception. You said lashkar e jhangvi. Do you know that there is an operation against them in pakistan just a couple of days ago their commander was killed.

 

[Mrc]

Amount of hatred pak army gets from US india and our own libral fascists is amazing...
They must be doing some thing right.....