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Is Pakistan fighting undeclared 4th Generation war?

It's Pacific Ocean . South China Seas will be the focal point of this Century and Arabs Have been killing each other for thousand of years . Nothing new about it . And Neither you People have oil nor a Flourishing Economy . So all i am saying is to get over the Obsession that EVERYONE is out to get you .

This shows how little you know about the Great Game and its relation with geopolitics. World is not after Pakistan, they are after that trade and energy corridor and cutting Pakistan's North from China is Indian national security interest as well to prevent China reaching to Arabian Sea.

If you don't know what is going on in Indian Ocean despite being an Indian, I can't help you out there. Why Pacific Ocean? Americans have total dominance there already. Remember what Alfred Mahan said?
 
This shows how little you know about the Great Game and its relation with geopolitics.
Yeah . Go On
World is not after Pakistan,
Good So we agree on one point .
they are after that trade and energy corridor and cutting Pakistan's North from China is Indian national security interest as well to prevent China reaching to Arabian Sea.

That is an Overstatement .

Cutting anybody's oil is Direct Declaration of War .
If you don't know what is going on in Indian Ocean despite being an Indian, I can't help you out there.

Ok We are Talking about Indian Ocean or Arabian Sea or Persian Gulf or Mallaka Straits ??
Why Pacific Ocean? Americans have total dominance there already. Remember what Alfred Mahan said?

Becuase Relationship between Taiwan , China , Japan , South Korea , Philippines , Vietnam etc are Going Batshit crazy . Their are also rumors of huge resources in the disputed area and that is the Reason US is planning to move 60 percent of its Naval Fleet in Pacific by 2020 , but if you ignore these direct Geo-political Circumstances i can't help you .
 
yeah you guys got it finally. Nailed it. Absolutely friggin right.

Be afraid. Be very very afraid. We are coming for you. There will be no place to run, only ruins you will find. You have no hope, no future.
Happy?
 
A war has already been declared against Pakistan. US, India, Afghanistan, NATO, Israel & allies are all part of this war which they have declared against Pakistan. Pakistan Army is busy on borders with the rented & puppet terrorists, corrupt & incompetent politicians have been placed in Pakistan by the US to destroy Pakistan & weaken Pakistan internally & the enemies of Pakistan are trying their very best to start a civil war in Pakistan, yesterdays explosion in Karachi was the latest example of how desperate Pakistan's enemies are to see Pakistan in civil war.

Today's only solution to save Pakistan is to declare Martial Law a full Military take over with ZERO tolerance & it is very important that these corrupt evil politicians & people must be punished. It is then Pakistan can move forward otherwise there is no chance. Military take over is the only solution today.

PPP, PML-N, PML-Q, ANP, JUI, MQM, rented TTP, rented BLA, BLF & BSO are all enemies of the state.

Not just this I say Military should use Mongol type rule Behead all those who are miscreants and traitors. Bring justice to these criminals who are hiding behind Democrazy. There should be no mercy.
 
Replying to each and every point would take too much time I would like to limit my observations to selected items only. The series of posts illustrate how by picking individual photographs and interviews out of context, a totally wrong impression can be created.

Rand organization study is a document prepared by a think tank, to assume the US & the West follow it as official policy is incorrect.

It is beyond reason to say that just because Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq had Mir in their name, anyone with a Mir attached to his name is a traitor. Don’t think there is any link between Mir Jaffer of Bengal and the owners of Jang Group. There is a clan of Kashmiris who call themselves Mir also. Would the poster label all of the Kashmiri Mirs traitors? (some Kashmiris Mirs also put Mir as prefix)

This post implies that a photograph of Salman Taseer relaxing with his family means that he was evil thus deserved killing? This is bigotry in the extreme.

All organizations and journalists who show any sign of liberalism, such as SAFMA or Imtiaz Alam etc. are branded as US stooges? Good Heavens! This clearly illustrates that writer of the article doesn’t tolerate any difference of opinion? I thought I was a bright student as I won Colombo plan scholarship; in fact I was extremely naïve as this made me a pawn of the West!

This is Taliban & Wahhabi creed thru & thru. Any notable who differs from their view of Islam or dares to dress differently is up to no good. What would you do with all the Shias, the Braelvis and followers of the Sufi creed? Declare them Kafir and kill them all as happened to Salman Taseer?

Pakistan is indeed fighting a 4th generation war but not with the combination of US, Israel, India, Afghanistan. Instead it is against the dark forces that are outwardly portraying themselves as Muslims, but their agenda is to destroy Pakistan from within and change it into another Somalia or a Taliban Afghanistan.

Followers of the Salaafi/Wahhabi & Deobandi parties have now joined hands under of Al-Qaida-TTP umbrella. They were against the creation of Pakistan in the first place and will not rest until Pakistan as we know it is destroyed. After all the Quaid was a Shia and thus a Kafir. Sir Syed was an agent of the English and the Jews as he was ostensibly a member of the Freemasons. Yes anyone and everyone who does not believe in forcing their views down others’ throats is a US stooge.

All incidences of atrocities by Sufi Mohammed of Swat and the Taliban have been faked. TTP didn’t behead Pak soldiers but PA did it themselves to malign the angelic TTP. Suicide bombers are not TTP but trained by the security agencies. Attack on the GHQ, Mehran naval base as well as on Kamra was not work of TTP but of the foreign agents. Malala incidence was a fake encounter else she would not be alive.

This indeed is psychological war by the dark forces of the TTP allies. After all Munawwar Hassan of JI inadvertently admitted on TV that jihad against the State of Pakistan was justified.

Freedom of expression is enabling some members to propagate Taliban message on this forum. If I were to state my views in the kind of State that writer of these posts wants to establish, I would be beheaded.
 
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This indeed is psychological war by the dark forces of the TTP allies. After all Munawwar Hassan of JI inadvertently admitted on TV that jihad against the State of Pakistan was justified.

Freedom of expression is enabling some members to propagate Taliban message on this forum. If I were to state my views in the kind of State that writer of these posts wants to establish, I would be beheaded.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke.

The real aim of killing Salman Taseer and shooting Malala is to put exactly that fear into all the others who would wish to emulate or join them.

The extremists use the freedom of expression in a civil society to stifle the same right for others.

Unless tackled head on, these rabid views will proliferate in Pakistan. By some measures it is already too late.
 
Replying to each and every point would take too much time I would like to limit my observations to selected items only. The series of posts illustrate how by picking individual photographs and interviews out of context, a totally wrong impression can be created.

Rand organization study is a document prepared by a think tank, to assume the US & the West follow it as official policy is incorrect.

It is beyond reason to say that just because Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq had Mir in their name, anyone with a Mir attached to his name is a traitor. Don’t think there is any link between Mir Jaffer of Bengal and the owners of Jang Group. There is a clan of Kashmiris who call themselves Mir also. Would the poster label all of the Kashmiri Mirs traitors? (some Kashmiris Mirs also put Mir as prefix)

This post implies that a photograph of Salman Taseer relaxing with his family means that he was evil thus deserved killing? This is bigotry in the extreme.

All organizations and journalists who show any sign of liberalism, such as SAFMA or Imtiaz Alam etc. are branded as US stooges? Good Heavens! This clearly illustrates that writer of the article doesn’t tolerate any difference of opinion? I thought I was a bright student as I won Colombo plan scholarship; in fact I was extremely naïve as this made me a pawn of the West!

This is Taliban & Wahhabi creed thru & thru. Any notable who differs from their view of Islam or dares to dress differently is up to no good. What would you do with all the Shias, the Braelvis and followers of the Sufi creed? Declare them Kafir and kill them all as happened to Salman Taseer?

Pakistan is indeed fighting a 4th generation war but not with the combination of US, Israel, India, Afghanistan. Instead it is against the dark forces that are outwardly portraying themselves as Muslims, but their agenda is to destroy Pakistan from within and change it into another Somalia or a Taliban Afghanistan.

Followers of the Salaafi/Wahhabi & Deobandi parties have now joined hands under of Al-Qaida-TTP umbrella. They were against the creation of Pakistan in the first place and will not rest until Pakistan as we know it is destroyed. After all the Quaid was a Shia and thus a Kafir. Sir Syed was an agent of the English and the Jews as he was ostensibly a member of the Freemasons. Yes anyone and everyone who does not believe in forcing their views down others’ throats is a US stooge.

All incidences of atrocities by Sufi Mohammed of Swat and the Taliban have been faked. TTP didn’t behead Pak soldiers but PA did it themselves to malign the angelic TTP. Suicide bombers are not TTP but trained by the security agencies. Attack on the GHQ, Mehran naval base as well as on Kamra was not work of TTP but of the foreign agents. Malala incidence was a fake encounter else she would not be alive.

This indeed is psychological war by the dark forces of the TTP allies. After all Munawwar Hassan of JI inadvertently admitted on TV that jihad against the State of Pakistan was justified.

Freedom of expression is enabling some members to propagate Taliban message on this forum. If I were to state my views in the kind of State that writer of these posts wants to establish, I would be beheaded.

So your main Idea is, Salafis, wahabis, deobandies are killing Bralvis, shias and what else? and Salafis, Wahabis and deobandies are evil, and bralvis shias are basically victims and last not the least .. USA, India, And Israelis are the saviors..

What a Bloody Joke..
 
So your main Idea is, Salafis, wahabis, deobandies are killing Bralvis, shias and what else? and Salafis, Wahabis and deobandies are evil, and bralvis shias are basically victims and last not the least .. USA, India, And Israelis are the saviors..

What a Bloody Joke..

These libz will start to witchhunt salafis and wahabis now.

Funny and ironic.
 
A war has already been declared against Pakistan. US, India, Afghanistan, NATO, Israel & allies are all part of this war which they have declared against Pakistan. Pakistan Army is busy on borders with the rented & puppet terrorists, corrupt & incompetent politicians have been placed in Pakistan by the US to destroy Pakistan & weaken Pakistan internally & the enemies of Pakistan are trying their very best to start a civil war in Pakistan, yesterdays explosion in Karachi was the latest example of how desperate Pakistan's enemies are to see Pakistan in civil war.

Today's only solution to save Pakistan is to declare Martial Law a full Military take over with ZERO tolerance & it is very important that these corrupt evil politicians & people must be punished. It is then Pakistan can move forward otherwise there is no chance. Military take over is the only solution today.

PPP, PML-N, PML-Q, ANP, JUI, MQM, rented TTP, rented BLA, BLF & BSO are all enemies of the state.
Come on Afghanistan ? Also India doesnt have any intentions to destabilize you . We love to have stable and strong Pakistan as our neighbor . You shouldnt blame any one . You lack unity . You were not the country which was expected to be at the time of partition . Its NATO and China that are using you like puppets , yes i mean it , no offense , you are slowly realizing that US is controlling you but there isnt anything you can really do . When you dont have the option , somebody comes in rescue of you and you fall into their trap . Currently its US and you know the next country who will use you . You might say no to me but its a fact , did you ever expect that US will drench you ? Only the time will make you realize .
And FYI its the US and Pakistan created terrorists that declared war on us , not we declaring a war on them .
 
So your main Idea is, Salafis, wahabis, deobandies are killing Bralvis, shias and what else? and Salafis, Wahabis and deobandies are evil, and bralvis shias are basically victims and last not the least .. USA, India, And Israelis are the saviors..

What a Bloody Joke..



My earlier post was based on the following:

Attack on Shia’s (From the Wikipedia)

Since the year 2000, over 2000 Shia Hazara community members including many women and children have been killed or wounded in attacks perpetrated by Sunni Muslim terrorists affiliated with Al-Qaeda and Taliban in southwestern town of Quetta. Many hundreds of Shia Muslims have been killed in northern areas of Pakistan such as Gilgit, Baltistan, Parachinar and Chelas. The violence worsened immediately after September 11 and the expulsion of the Taliban from Afghanistan.[20] In 2002, 12 Shia Hazara police cadets were gunned down in Quetta. In 2003, the main Shia Friday Mosque was attacked in Quetta, killing 53 worshippers. March 2, 2004, at least 42 persons were killed and more than 100 wounded when a procession of the Shia Muslims was attacked by rival Sunni extremists at Liaquat Bazaar in Quetta. Separately, on October 7, 2004, a car bomb killed 40 members of an extremist Sunni organization in Multan. 300 people died during 2006.

On December 28, 2009, as many as 40 Shias were killed in an apparent suicide bombing in Karachi. The bomber attacked a Shia procession which was held to mark Ashura.

Since June 2010 in Karachi, Sipah-e-Sahaba is involved in the target killing of seven innocent bystanders and intellectuals; all were from the Twelver Shia Muslim community. Sectarian riots as well as target killing of doctors in the provincial capital have been sending alarm bells to the present democratic system. Karachi had witnessed similar sectarian tension in the early 1980s when then President Zia-ul-Haq was in power. The military regime of those years had been backing certain groups to strengthen its rule and Karachi underwent worst situation after the sectarian riots. The Shia-Sunni clashes had started from the same section of the city (i.e. Godra Colony in New Karachi) after a small incident, and subsequently the clashes gripped the entire city, that hasn't stopped yet and continues.

In early September 2010, three separate attacks were reported in different parts of Pakistan. The first one took place on September 1 in Lahore where at least 35 Shia were killed and 160 people sustained injuries during a procession. The third attack also occurred on September 3 but in the city of Quetta which killed around 56 people during another procession.

On December 16, a mortar attack killed nine (9) people, including women and children in Hangu, a town that has been a flash point for sectarian clashes between Shia and Sunni communities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Province, near tribal area. On the same day in another attack one child was killed and 28 people were wounded in Peshawar, the capital of KP province, as Shia Muslims marked Ashura.

February 2012 Kohistan Shia Massacre.

August 2012 Mansehra Shia Massacre On August 16, 2012, four busses en route to Gilgit, in northern Pakistan were stopped when passengers were going back home for Eid-ul-Fitr festivals. 25 Shia passengers were identified by their identity cards and were separated from other passengers and subsequently shot dead at the spot. Al-Qaeda affiliated Sunni Muslim militants claimed responsibility for the attack. Three Shia Hazara community members were shot dead in the town of Quetta, which is home to Sunni Taliban leadership known as Quetta Shura.


Attack on Braelvi Sunni and Sufi shrines:

Why Pakistan's Taliban Target the Muslim Majority
By Omar Waraich / Islamabad Thursday, Apr. 07, 2011

Although Pakistan's headlines are dominated by the violent excesses of Taliban extremists, the majority of Pakistanis subscribe to the more mystical Sufi tradition of the country's Barelvi school of Islam. And attacks on their places of worship are becoming depressingly familiar. Last Sunday, two bombers attacked the 13th Century Sakhi Sarwar shrine, near the southern Punjabi town of Dera Ghazi Khan, slaughtering 50 people and injuring twice as many. Mercifully, two other bombers failed to detonate their devices, preventing even higher casualties. Still, it was the deadliest assault yet on a Sufi shrine in Pakistan — and the sixteenth in the last two years.

The Pakistani Taliban swiftly claimed responsibility for the attack, as they have done for each previous one. Pakistan's Taliban claims the mantle of the hardline Deobandi tradition, with many beliefs in common with the austere Wahabism of Saudi Arabia. They regard the Barelvi, who comprise more than three quarters of Pakistan's Sunni Muslims, as irredeemable heretics. The Barelvis favor a more tolerant approach to Islam, promoting a cult of the Prophet and incorporate folkloric traditions such as seeking intercession from rural saints. Sakhi Sarwar, a mystic who is also revered by some Hindus and Sikhs, is said to grant women a son — a local legend that rouses anger among Islam's more literalist adherents, who ascribe such powers only to Allah. (Read "In Pakistan, Justifying Murder for Those Who Blaspheme.")

Tensions between Deobandis and Barelvis have punctuated most of Pakistan's history. But with the arrival of al-Qaeda in the country a decade ago, local militants forged links with the global jihadists, their sectarianism sharpened to accept al-Qaeda's "takfiri" worldview that deems adherents of other strains of Islam as deviant apostates worthy of death.

One reason for the uptick in sectarian-based terror attacks may be that the militants' ability to strike the high profile urban targets that once grabbed global headlines has been diminished by Pakistani military offensives in their strongholds over the past two years. "It has become harder for the militants to strike hard targets," says security analyst Ejaz Haider. "Some lessons have been learned from the previous attacks."

So, the militants have, over the past two years, more keenly focused on sectarian attacks. Traditional Shi'ite processions are now routinely targeted by suicide bombers. In May 2010, two mosques of the minority Ahmedi sect were targeted in Lahore, killing 93 people. And there's been an escalation of bombings directed against the majority Barelvis. After attacks on two of their most prominent shrines, Data Darbar in Lahore's old city and Abdullah Shah Ghazi in Karachi, Barelvis came out on to the streets, wielding weapons and vowing revenge against the Taliban. They did not extend blame to the broader spectrum of Deobandis, perhaps wisely evading the beginnings of a more gruesome sectarian conflict that Pakistan can ill-afford. (Read about Pakistan's Christians.)

Not all Barelvis are the models of peace and tolerance that some have portrayed them to be. It was a Barelvi, Mumtaz Qadri, that assassinated Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer in January, for his opposition to Pakistan's prejudicial blasphemy laws. The assassination was applauded by 500 Barelvi scholars in a joint statement. And the Sunni Tehreek, a Barelvi militant outfit, rewarded Qadri's family and threatened Taseer's daughter. While they may favor a more permissive vision of Islam, certain Barelvis are quite capable of violence where they feel the Prophet has been dishonored.

The campaign to defend Pakistan's blasphemy laws from reform has, in fact, united Barelvis and Deobandis since last November. Barelvi anti-Taliban rhetoric was also put on pause. "We had seen the Barelvis getting ready to organize a campaign against the Taliban," observes analyst Nasim Zehra, "but they got sidetracked by the blasphemy issue and this was forgotten." Until last month's assassination of Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti, the religious right was able to frequently draw tens of thousands on to the streets.

Sectarian hatred aside, rural shrines are a far easier terror target than the more heavily guarded state and economic targets in the cities. Suicide bombers, especially the teenage boys favored by militants, can often evade notice before they reach the target. A crowded space helps secure the militants' aim of causing high casualties. In the case of the Sakhi Sarwar bombers, they only had travel to a relatively short and unimpeded distance from North Waziristan to the edge of Punjab. (Read "U.S. Diplomat Could Bring Down Pakistan Gov't.")

The bombings may also be an attempt to relieve pressure from sporadic Army actions against militants in the northern tip of the tribal areas. "Just to remain alive there, the militants have to try and force the government's hand into diminishing pressure," says analyst Haider. "To counter that pressure, they mount attacks in the mainland in the hope of securing some deal back in the tribal areas." By targeting shrines across the country, the militants are able to demonstrate their enduring geographical reach and expose the state's vulnerabilities.

The bad news is that the state is in a poor position to respond. After the latest bombings, Barelvi leaders denounced the Punjab provincial government for failing to provide security at shrines. The Punjab government dismisses the charge. "It's happening all over," says Ahsan Iqbal, a leading politician from the Pakistan Muslim League-N, the ruling party in Punjab. "This is not something that is province-specific." Iqbal casts blame on the federal government for failing to share intelligence. The federal government reverses the charge, and argues that the law and order is a provincial responsibility. What no one seems to be focusing on is the desperate need to enhance the police's capacity, with better equipment, counter terrorism training and an intelligence gathering network that reaches deep into Pakistan's remote areas.

Why Pakistan's Taliban Target the Muslim Majority - TIME

October 2005, Bari Imam Shrine attacked by SSP killing 20 and injuring 100 on May 27, 2005.

Bari Imam Shrine attack 2005: Police await suspects on judicial remand in another case – The Express Tribune

March 5, 2009. Taliban attack Rahman Baba mazaar killing more than 100 people.
Revisiting Rahman Baba

July 1, 2010 Suicide bomb on Data Darbar, 42 killed and 175 wounded.

Suicide bombers kill dozens at Pakistan shrine | World news | The Guardian

October 25, 2010. 6 killed and scores wounded during attack on Baba Farid Ganj Shakar at Pakpattan.

Blast at Baba Farid


One thing is for sure, some organization or groups have been carrying out the above attacks and these Pakistanis were not killed by ghosts. I say that killers are TTP/Salafi/Wahhabi/Deobandi alliance. I never said or implied that USA Israelis/Indians etc are saviours, I maintain that the 4th generation war that Pakistan is fighting is not against foreigners but against the followers of Salafi/Wahhabi/Deobandi/Taliban Alliance.

This schism has torn apart fabric of the society and it is the war of survival for Pakistan as envisaged by the founding fathers. However should you chose to remain in constant state of denial and insist that US/CIA/Israel/Afghan/Hindu conspiracy is behind this violence you are welcome to your belief.

P.S. I would like to make it clear that I have no problem with the Deobandi/Wahhabi maslak as IMO only Allah can judge who is on the right path. I have however serious objections if other people force me to follow their form of Islam. I detest those who kill others for no other reason but only that they follow a different version of Islam. That is why I am anti Taliban, anti Al Quaida and anti Takfiris.
 
My earlier post was based on the following:

Attack on Shia’s (From the Wikipedia)

Since the year 2000, over 2000 Shia Hazara community members including many women and children have been killed or wounded in attacks perpetrated by Sunni Muslim terrorists affiliated with Al-Qaeda and Taliban in southwestern town of Quetta. Many hundreds of Shia Muslims have been killed in northern areas of Pakistan such as Gilgit, Baltistan, Parachinar and Chelas. The violence worsened immediately after September 11 and the expulsion of the Taliban from Afghanistan.[20] In 2002, 12 Shia Hazara police cadets were gunned down in Quetta. In 2003, the main Shia Friday Mosque was attacked in Quetta, killing 53 worshippers. March 2, 2004, at least 42 persons were killed and more than 100 wounded when a procession of the Shia Muslims was attacked by rival Sunni extremists at Liaquat Bazaar in Quetta. Separately, on October 7, 2004, a car bomb killed 40 members of an extremist Sunni organization in Multan. 300 people died during 2006.

On December 28, 2009, as many as 40 Shias were killed in an apparent suicide bombing in Karachi. The bomber attacked a Shia procession which was held to mark Ashura.

Since June 2010 in Karachi, Sipah-e-Sahaba is involved in the target killing of seven innocent bystanders and intellectuals; all were from the Twelver Shia Muslim community. Sectarian riots as well as target killing of doctors in the provincial capital have been sending alarm bells to the present democratic system. Karachi had witnessed similar sectarian tension in the early 1980s when then President Zia-ul-Haq was in power. The military regime of those years had been backing certain groups to strengthen its rule and Karachi underwent worst situation after the sectarian riots. The Shia-Sunni clashes had started from the same section of the city (i.e. Godra Colony in New Karachi) after a small incident, and subsequently the clashes gripped the entire city, that hasn't stopped yet and continues.

In early September 2010, three separate attacks were reported in different parts of Pakistan. The first one took place on September 1 in Lahore where at least 35 Shia were killed and 160 people sustained injuries during a procession. The third attack also occurred on September 3 but in the city of Quetta which killed around 56 people during another procession.

On December 16, a mortar attack killed nine (9) people, including women and children in Hangu, a town that has been a flash point for sectarian clashes between Shia and Sunni communities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Province, near tribal area. On the same day in another attack one child was killed and 28 people were wounded in Peshawar, the capital of KP province, as Shia Muslims marked Ashura.

February 2012 Kohistan Shia Massacre.

August 2012 Mansehra Shia Massacre On August 16, 2012, four busses en route to Gilgit, in northern Pakistan were stopped when passengers were going back home for Eid-ul-Fitr festivals. 25 Shia passengers were identified by their identity cards and were separated from other passengers and subsequently shot dead at the spot. Al-Qaeda affiliated Sunni Muslim militants claimed responsibility for the attack. Three Shia Hazara community members were shot dead in the town of Quetta, which is home to Sunni Taliban leadership known as Quetta Shura.


Attack on Braelvi Sunni and Sufi shrines:

Why Pakistan's Taliban Target the Muslim Majority
By Omar Waraich / Islamabad Thursday, Apr. 07, 2011

Although Pakistan's headlines are dominated by the violent excesses of Taliban extremists, the majority of Pakistanis subscribe to the more mystical Sufi tradition of the country's Barelvi school of Islam. And attacks on their places of worship are becoming depressingly familiar. Last Sunday, two bombers attacked the 13th Century Sakhi Sarwar shrine, near the southern Punjabi town of Dera Ghazi Khan, slaughtering 50 people and injuring twice as many. Mercifully, two other bombers failed to detonate their devices, preventing even higher casualties. Still, it was the deadliest assault yet on a Sufi shrine in Pakistan — and the sixteenth in the last two years.

The Pakistani Taliban swiftly claimed responsibility for the attack, as they have done for each previous one. Pakistan's Taliban claims the mantle of the hardline Deobandi tradition, with many beliefs in common with the austere Wahabism of Saudi Arabia. They regard the Barelvi, who comprise more than three quarters of Pakistan's Sunni Muslims, as irredeemable heretics. The Barelvis favor a more tolerant approach to Islam, promoting a cult of the Prophet and incorporate folkloric traditions such as seeking intercession from rural saints. Sakhi Sarwar, a mystic who is also revered by some Hindus and Sikhs, is said to grant women a son — a local legend that rouses anger among Islam's more literalist adherents, who ascribe such powers only to Allah. (Read "In Pakistan, Justifying Murder for Those Who Blaspheme.")

Tensions between Deobandis and Barelvis have punctuated most of Pakistan's history. But with the arrival of al-Qaeda in the country a decade ago, local militants forged links with the global jihadists, their sectarianism sharpened to accept al-Qaeda's "takfiri" worldview that deems adherents of other strains of Islam as deviant apostates worthy of death.

One reason for the uptick in sectarian-based terror attacks may be that the militants' ability to strike the high profile urban targets that once grabbed global headlines has been diminished by Pakistani military offensives in their strongholds over the past two years. "It has become harder for the militants to strike hard targets," says security analyst Ejaz Haider. "Some lessons have been learned from the previous attacks."

So, the militants have, over the past two years, more keenly focused on sectarian attacks. Traditional Shi'ite processions are now routinely targeted by suicide bombers. In May 2010, two mosques of the minority Ahmedi sect were targeted in Lahore, killing 93 people. And there's been an escalation of bombings directed against the majority Barelvis. After attacks on two of their most prominent shrines, Data Darbar in Lahore's old city and Abdullah Shah Ghazi in Karachi, Barelvis came out on to the streets, wielding weapons and vowing revenge against the Taliban. They did not extend blame to the broader spectrum of Deobandis, perhaps wisely evading the beginnings of a more gruesome sectarian conflict that Pakistan can ill-afford. (Read about Pakistan's Christians.)

Not all Barelvis are the models of peace and tolerance that some have portrayed them to be. It was a Barelvi, Mumtaz Qadri, that assassinated Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer in January, for his opposition to Pakistan's prejudicial blasphemy laws. The assassination was applauded by 500 Barelvi scholars in a joint statement. And the Sunni Tehreek, a Barelvi militant outfit, rewarded Qadri's family and threatened Taseer's daughter. While they may favor a more permissive vision of Islam, certain Barelvis are quite capable of violence where they feel the Prophet has been dishonored.

The campaign to defend Pakistan's blasphemy laws from reform has, in fact, united Barelvis and Deobandis since last November. Barelvi anti-Taliban rhetoric was also put on pause. "We had seen the Barelvis getting ready to organize a campaign against the Taliban," observes analyst Nasim Zehra, "but they got sidetracked by the blasphemy issue and this was forgotten." Until last month's assassination of Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti, the religious right was able to frequently draw tens of thousands on to the streets.

Sectarian hatred aside, rural shrines are a far easier terror target than the more heavily guarded state and economic targets in the cities. Suicide bombers, especially the teenage boys favored by militants, can often evade notice before they reach the target. A crowded space helps secure the militants' aim of causing high casualties. In the case of the Sakhi Sarwar bombers, they only had travel to a relatively short and unimpeded distance from North Waziristan to the edge of Punjab. (Read "U.S. Diplomat Could Bring Down Pakistan Gov't.")

The bombings may also be an attempt to relieve pressure from sporadic Army actions against militants in the northern tip of the tribal areas. "Just to remain alive there, the militants have to try and force the government's hand into diminishing pressure," says analyst Haider. "To counter that pressure, they mount attacks in the mainland in the hope of securing some deal back in the tribal areas." By targeting shrines across the country, the militants are able to demonstrate their enduring geographical reach and expose the state's vulnerabilities.

The bad news is that the state is in a poor position to respond. After the latest bombings, Barelvi leaders denounced the Punjab provincial government for failing to provide security at shrines. The Punjab government dismisses the charge. "It's happening all over," says Ahsan Iqbal, a leading politician from the Pakistan Muslim League-N, the ruling party in Punjab. "This is not something that is province-specific." Iqbal casts blame on the federal government for failing to share intelligence. The federal government reverses the charge, and argues that the law and order is a provincial responsibility. What no one seems to be focusing on is the desperate need to enhance the police's capacity, with better equipment, counter terrorism training and an intelligence gathering network that reaches deep into Pakistan's remote areas.

Why Pakistan's Taliban Target the Muslim Majority - TIME

October 2005, Bari Imam Shrine attacked by SSP killing 20 and injuring 100 on May 27, 2005.

Bari Imam Shrine attack 2005: Police await suspects on judicial remand in another case – The Express Tribune

March 5, 2009. Taliban attack Rahman Baba mazaar killing more than 100 people.
Revisiting Rahman Baba

July 1, 2010 Suicide bomb on Data Darbar, 42 killed and 175 wounded.

Suicide bombers kill dozens at Pakistan shrine | World news | The Guardian

October 25, 2010. 6 killed and scores wounded during attack on Baba Farid Ganj Shakar at Pakpattan.

Blast at Baba Farid


One thing is for sure, some organization or groups have been carrying out the above attacks and these Pakistanis were not killed by ghosts. I say that killers are TTP/Salafi/Wahhabi/Deobandi alliance. I never said or implied that USA Israelis/Indians etc are saviours, I maintain that the 4th generation war that Pakistan is fighting is not against foreigners but against the followers of Salafi/Wahhabi/Deobandi/Taliban Alliance.

This schism has torn apart fabric of the society and it is the war of survival for Pakistan as envisaged by the founding fathers. However should you chose to remain in constant state of denial and insist that US/CIA/Israel/Afghan/Hindu conspiracy is behind this violence you are welcome to your belief.

P.S. I would like to make it clear that I have no problem with the Deobandi/Wahhabi maslak as IMO only Allah can judge who is on the right path. I have however serious objections if other people force me to follow their form of Islam. I detest those who kill others for no other reason but only that they follow a different version of Islam. That is why I am anti Taliban, anti Al Quaida and anti Takfiris.

All other attacks were on non-shia so is it means, done by shias? WTH.. Whole Pakistani Nation as whole is suffering, so does it means it is done by some shia group? With your logic? from 2001 upto date more then 35000 non shia died, does that done by Shia group? Media picks specific points to get fame into the papers, electronic media. When common Pakistani dies, it's x number of people died. If some shia/Non-muslims dies or something like this they segregate them, to have a selling points. Murder has no religion, no segregation....

TTP has no religion then just money which foreign lords gives, and 1st time this Wahabism word been used by Britishers to put down this jihaad.. This division is nothing just to divide muslims into the group, like it happened 1400 yrs ago, it happened many times in the history where Muslims been divided. And third party always toke advantage of it. And only Muslims remain lossers. Because they think they are right or has the right in the end the advantage goes to other parties..

Before 2001, there was no TTP, but some criminal elements living in "Ilaqa Ghair". Their moto was just to kidnap, robb people for money. They used to murder, and then run to "Illaqa Ghair" to avoid arresting. In 2001, Abdullah Masoud and his some fellows was in US, and even they was arrested at that time. But, they are the only Pakistanis who came back to Pakistan after 911, without any harm from the jail. And what they did in the end? They declare So called Jihaad against Pakistan, and Pakistan Army. Even during Swat operations, Radio Mullah's friends had automatic weapons, night visions, snippers, and other modern weapons which at that time even PA didn't had. Because of this PA face v heavy casualty rate.

There are lots of places like Rehman Baba, Badar Baba, and so o on.. in Afghanistan but during 5 long years, Taliban didn't harm any place in Afghanistan. Taliban open up Medical university in Kabul where there was women section as well.. Taliban destroyed all opium crops and encourage farmers to crop other things.. In the time of Taliban, no one need to close the shop because scary of robbery? Why all things sudden changed, after 2001, when TTP was formed? The only reason is, they were not Talibs, but some other Fake Talibans who was given money to do these tasks. Even you didn't post this since you had some feelings with those shias, deobandis or non-muslims. But you posted it with the purpose to prove you are right by posting something selective.

I will again say, Murderer has no religion, No moral, No Segregation, No dignity, But only GOAL.. and these things were happen in Pakistan with a Goal to divide muslims, to give bad name to Muslims, to disturb Pakistan's peace and last not the least to put Pakistan into a Civil War situation..
 
Replying to each and every point would take too much time I would like to limit my observations to selected items only. The series of posts illustrate how by picking individual photographs and interviews out of context, a totally wrong impression can be created.

Rand organization study is a document prepared by a think tank, to assume the US & the West follow it as official policy is incorrect.
It is beyond reason to say that just because Mir Jaffer and Mir Sadiq had Mir in their name, anyone with a Mir attached to his name is a traitor. Don’t think there is any link between Mir Jaffer of Bengal and the owners of Jang Group. There is a clan of Kashmiris who call themselves Mir also. Would the poster label all of the Kashmiri Mirs traitors? (some Kashmiris Mirs also put Mir as prefix)

This post implies that a photograph of Salman Taseer relaxing with his family means that he was evil thus deserved killing? This is bigotry in the extreme.

All organizations and journalists who show any sign of liberalism, such as SAFMA or Imtiaz Alam etc. are branded as US stooges? Good Heavens! This clearly illustrates that writer of the article doesn’t tolerate any difference of opinion? I thought I was a bright student as I won Colombo plan scholarship; in fact I was extremely naïve as this made me a pawn of the West!

This is Taliban & Wahhabi creed thru & thru. Any notable who differs from their view of Islam or dares to dress differently is up to no good. What would you do with all the Shias, the Braelvis and followers of the Sufi creed? Declare them Kafir and kill them all as happened to Salman Taseer?

Pakistan is indeed fighting a 4th generation war but not with the combination of US, Israel, India, Afghanistan. Instead it is against the dark forces that are outwardly portraying themselves as Muslims, but their agenda is to destroy Pakistan from within and change it into another Somalia or a Taliban Afghanistan.

Followers of the Salaafi/Wahhabi & Deobandi parties have now joined hands under of Al-Qaida-TTP umbrella. They were against the creation of Pakistan in the first place and will not rest until Pakistan as we know it is destroyed. After all the Quaid was a Shia and thus a Kafir. Sir Syed was an agent of the English and the Jews as he was ostensibly a member of the Freemasons. Yes anyone and everyone who does not believe in forcing their views down others’ throats is a US stooge.

All incidences of atrocities by Sufi Mohammed of Swat and the Taliban have been faked. TTP didn’t behead Pak soldiers but PA did it themselves to malign the angelic TTP. Suicide bombers are not TTP but trained by the security agencies. Attack on the GHQ, Mehran naval base as well as on Kamra was not work of TTP but of the foreign agents. Malala incidence was a fake encounter else she would not be alive.

This indeed is psychological war by the dark forces of the TTP allies. After all Munawwar Hassan of JI inadvertently admitted on TV that jihad against the State of Pakistan was justified.

Freedom of expression is enabling some members to propagate Taliban message on this forum. If I were to state my views in the kind of State that writer of these posts wants to establish, I would be beheaded.

Most of it is like putting words in the mouth. i agree no 2 persons with same name can be traitor but i see why you took it personal.
In your heat you also passed sweeping judgments, fyi. Wahabis is term used in Pakistan, Iran and India.
While Taliban is yet another sweeping statement used for any one who do not agree with self appointed liberals.

Lets take the case of salmon Taseer, his murder can not be justified but fact remains most of his earnings end up in his sons account, who Ian an Indian national.
coming to SAFMA whose sole agenda is to mislead Pakistanis and fabricate stories to blame Pakistan army.
However it is unfortunate to learn always that the names of anti Pakistan conspirators and their political affiliations, clashes with interests of Pakistan.
What thread starter has posted is not fabricated, go through it once more, ignore Salman Taseer part.
 
I am disappointed at the honourable members who appear to have a soft spot for the Taliban/Sectarian parties’ alliance. Lashkar Jhangvi is a part of TTP and they shout from the rooftop that they are target killing Shias because they earn 'Thawab' by killing heretics. Is this not the 4th Generation war that Pakistan is fighting? Here is a link to the Dawn blog on the plight of the Hazara community who are targeted only because they are Shia.


I am Hazara | DAWN.COM

Pray tell me is this work of US/CIA/Zionist/Afghan/India conspiracy or of the section of Wahhabi/Deobandi/Salafin/Takfiri followers who want to destroy Pakistan? But of course I am a liberal fascist who is a stooge of the West because I won a scholarship for study in the UK. TTP are real Muslims and their beheading of the PA soldiers, attacking teen age school girls are justified by Quran & Sunni in their version of Islam. I am however a human being and a Pakistani and whenever innocent Pakistani blood is shed, I feel deep anger against the perpetrators and their sympathizers.
 
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