Is Pakistan Better Off Industrially (and More Diverse in Industrial Production) Compared to Bangladesh?

[mig25]

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Is this a joke? I am sure Pakistani students in engineering can engineer a better project car as their final year project. "Talk big" seems to run deep in Pakistani society -- there was not one word on the technology nor industrial scale up, marketing, industrialization for their prototype ..all I heard was bravado that I also see on this forum often.

Asking honestly--- with such attitudes I can only imagine the work culture in Pakistan! Is that a big hindrance in any work getting done? Hard to segregate talent from fluff?

 

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[Bilal9]

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Good channel!

This is a new video in his channel of casting aluminum parts using plain sand molds and then machining them to get many useful automotive and light engg. items.

Couple of similar videos,

If a dozen people can produce these raw aluminum castings (no precision casting skills or equipment needed) they can easily keep themselves employed and supply a major auto component industry (for motorcycles - for example) which can finish these castings using CAD/CAM processes, Motorcycles use carburetors and other parts made of aluminum (engine covers for example) all the time. I don't think a lot of workshops in Bangladesh have this skill and can be helped by Bangladesh Small Industries loans or NGO Loans.

This is how RFL (Parent company of Pran made their start and got seed capital, by making tubewell parts and pump parts, their name is Rangpur Foundry Limited).

Some training in QC/QA can also improve (reduce) rate of rejects and productivity issues. This industry by the way is very mature in China, as mature as the West. Process is more or less simialr to subcontinent but they follow better QC and QA processes and scale is bigger with low overhead.

Compare China/Pakistan with UK situation, you can see they are using better quality sand ('green' sand) in the UK and high quality non-ferrous billets to melt, as opposed to scrap, which is sometimes used in Bangladesh. The last few clips also shows lost foam (similar to lost wax) casting method, which uses CAD machined PU foam parts sacrificed during casting. That lost foam stuff is much more expensive but produces far superior precision castings of non-ferrous parts (zinc, aluminum alloys) used for machining and assembly of precision components for aerospace, marine, automotive, architectural, defence and commercial applications.

Is this a joke? I am sure Pakistani students in engineering can engineer a better project car as their final year project. "Talk big" seems to run deep in Pakistani society -- there was not one word on the technology nor industrial scale up, marketing, industrialization for their prototype ..all I heard was bravado that I also see on this forum often.

Asking honestly--- with such attitudes I can only imagine the work culture in Pakistan! Is that a big hindrance in any work getting done? Hard to segregate talent from fluff?

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This is just one example - don't judge all of Pakistan with this one video.

 

[Bilal9]

Here is one more, of casting and finishing steel clothing scissors (using machine tools no better than what I currently have even in my own garage),

 

[bluesky]

To be honest @bluesky bhai, the majority of Indian goods dumped in Bangladesh are something we could easily produce (Fast Moving consumer goods, FMCG products like Britannia cookies, Cadbury candy-bars, Maltova drink, parachute coconut hair oil, hajmola, Paan Parag etc..

Any thing Bangladesh can make, Indians can make usually at a lower cost. It is a combination of using cheaper ingredients and older technology (which are older investments in machinery that have been paid off long ago. Indians also get rebates from govt. for exporting these products.

There is no special cutting edge technology needed to produce those items. It is only recently that Pran has taken on some of these Indian FMCG items (mostly food items) and has made a dent in local and Indian market price-wise, using newer more efficient production processes using higher technology than India uses.

India can easily dump these products in our market because their cost of production is still half that of ours because their economies of scale is much higher (because their market is eight times bigger). We need to place tariffs and NTB's on all Indian products, otherwise our economy and businesses cannot survive or compete with theirs.

Indians support and protect their industry - we should protect ours too. These organizations employ people with relatively well-paying jobs and puts food on their table.

So, essentially we have been unable to produce small goodies quality-wise that Indians produce or we have not yet ventured to produce them on a big scale.

It is imperative that we build up our small cottage industries and stop Indian goods from entering through the border by imposing tariffs.

However, please note that the creation of many small products is supported by also the artistic sense/ minds of their creators. So, not anybody can do it. though some of our people are doing fine with their production.

Note that arts like creating ALPONA come naturally from Hindu women. On the other hand, embroidery was popular among Muslim women. I do not say these things are exported from India. My point is the creative minds that produce ALPONA can also design many other hand-made things.

Think also of the potteries, idols, or sculptures that can be produced by Hindus with no restrictions. On the other hand, Muslims are not encouraged to produce such things, It is Shirk. Muslim women of BD have also completely forgotten the art of embroideries.

 

[Bilal9]

Fork and spoon cutleries...

 

[Bilal9]

Tennis ball production in Sialkot

 

[bluesky]

By watching many videos I think Pakistanis have good work ethics. Pakistan will certainly go above some other countries where people are more like a bunch of snobs.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Pakistan economy heavily relies on agriculture and their heavy industries serve the military more than consumer market. Whereas ours is relied on consumer goods

This video gives a good picture of both the countries economy

 

[Bilal9]

By watching many videos I think Pakistanis have good work ethics. Pakistan will certainly go above some other countries where people are more like a bunch of snobs.

I have been watching these videos for over a year. A lot of the cottage industries in Pakistan are very self sufficient, though some Pakistanis believe they aren't very efficient.

However I find that the skills in general are of a very high standard and in essence better than that available in Bangladesh. You can always improve quality and consistency as well as safe production practices.

That is why I was talking about JV and collaboration for these folks (for some sectors absent in Bangladesh) - bringing some of these entrepreneurs and experts to Bangladesh for setting up locally for import substitution at some point. Initially we should just import their goods which are very good for the price.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Guys I view industrial small scale production all the time on different video platforms in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, and IMHO I'd say Pakistan has a far superior industrial basis than Bangladesh on small scale Industrial sector (although a bit backdated in technology but very self-sustaining nonetheless).

The basis of economical production In small scale sector are all local raw materials, sometimes recycled. I will highlight some videos here for you all to see,

It is my belief that you will realize how active/productive Pakistani small-scale Industrial sector is and how we in Bangladesh can collaborate with that sector in Pakistan to improve ours - maybe using JV's and/or employing Pakistani machinery and experts who are in a unique position to help us.

The tech used is what is termed 'appropriate technology' whose main advantage is extreme low overhead and economical methods to make products of "high enough" and "acceptable" quality in remote areas, where low investment and backdated technology are advantages, not barriers to production.

Making products using automation and in super clean conditions like Walton often entail high cost. I have immense respect for these hard-working Mehnati folks in Pakistan who work in demanding conditions to earn a living. I guess some introduction to safety regimes (like covers for rollers and gears and shoes for workers who handle molten metal) would not hurt in some cases.

Much of the data about industry in Pakistan is not known because that industry doesn't pay any tax.
Furthermore, in Pakistan we are manufacturing goods, mainly raw products for the products which gets furnished/final produced in other countries.
We have a deadly software industry mainly based in Karachi and Lahore. Raw goods manufacturing, mainly situated in faisalaba, karachi and sialkot.

 

[RPK]

FMCG products like Britannia cookies, Cadbury candy-bars, Maltova drink, parachute coconut hair

Indians can make usually at a lower cost. It is a combination of using cheaper ingredients and older technology (which are older investments in machinery that have been paid off long ago.

These are not MSME products, these from corporate , also these lines are highly automated go figure

 

[Paul2]

Guys I view industrial small scale production all the time on different video platforms in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan, and IMHO I'd say Pakistan has a far superior industrial basis than Bangladesh on small scale Industrial sector (although a bit backdated in technology but very self-sustaining nonetheless).

I've seen a lot of it when on my last visit to the country.

A lot of that equipment really seen the British Raj. Very, very dated, yet treasured like family jewels by people owning it.

The problem is that despite all that, they really don't make much money, because... well nothing today makes money but the two things which are either:
A) Super high volume
B) Electronic goods, and other highly, highly overpriced, value added stuff

 

[BATMAN]

They say, Pakistan is leading the world in langar Khana! Does that count?

 

[Khan_21]

I think Car manufacturing is also better in PK. Whats surprising is 150-200K cars are are sold in Pakistan each year while its only 15-30K in BD while almost having the same population.