Is Pakistan Better Off Industrially (and More Diverse in Industrial Production) Compared to Bangladesh?

[Khan_21]

Slightly related topic. PK seems to have more startup VC funding than BD especially in recent times there has been a startup boom and many are calling it the next asian tech hub ( we have a long way to go for that) but in 2021 alone we have had more startup funding than all previous six years combined.

PK had $300-370 Million VC funding while BD falls around $150-200.

In terms of car manufacturing/assembly even though both nations need to do alot PK is ahead in that too. Total car sales in PK are double in BD which is strange given BD is growing faster at the moment

 

[FuturePAF]

In large scale manufacturing, Pakistan is growing 14-15% annually
I think Pakistan should focus on SME's

Pakistan has the foundation to form its own Mittlestand (German family owned SMEs around many middle sized cities, that focus on niche products) now it just comes to proper government industrial policy and good middle management and modern technological knowledge and investment.

im not sure of the dynamics of Bangladesh, but most of the countries industrial economy is probably in Dhaka and not really spread out. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Bilal9]

Thank you.


Indian Punjab has less then zero impact, if anything they would have to be influenced by Pakistani Punjab, but I think that's also unlikely as well, because there has been minimal interaction between the two Punjab's until around 15-20 years ago.

The Pakistani Punjab has always been the economic, cultural and political heartland of the Punjab region, so what you see is essentially all home grown. Baring few light units, there was almost zero industry of any kind at independence.

It might be wrong, but since most of the British army consisted of Punjabis, and to a lesser degree Pathans, I think their exposure to the rest of the world probably influenced the adaptation of new methods, acknowledgement of what's happening around the world, and development of individual drive. Obviously there are other factors, but I think this factor must have played it's role.

If you take Indian Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh these were previously part of Punjab region, these three areas still provide one third of Indian army. Over time it has reduced but at independence around half or more of the Indian army was from this region. If there is similar industrial growth in Indian Punjab then my hypothesis might be relevant.



Regarding that idiot, don't even worry about it, India is a nation consumed by hate, that's why they are continuously killing each other. We have our problems but it is not regular and when anything happens the entire nation is enraged, I am talking about us and you guys, at least from the little I know.

But I read your replies afterwards, and you gave what he deserved.
Stay blessed.

Thanks brother.

Wonderful explanations.

I am not native to Pakistan so these insights are always helpful.

 

[Bilal9]

Slightly related topic. PK seems to have more startup VC funding than BD especially in recent times there has been a startup boom and many are calling it the next asian tech hub ( we have a long way to go for that) but in 2021 alone we have had more startup funding than all previous six years combined.

PK had $300-370 Million VC funding while BD falls around $150-200.

In terms of car manufacturing/assembly even though both nations need to do alot PK is ahead in that too. Total car sales in PK are double in BD which is strange given BD is growing faster at the moment

Motorcycle ownership have recently shot up, but car ownership will not unless the VAT on cars (even re-conditioned cars from Japan at 300%) goes down. Even a simple Corolla sized re-conditioned care in Bangladesh costs 20 to 25 lakh. I think this is deliberate govt. policy so they don't overwhelm the road system in the major towns which are being renovated with MRT and BRT integration right now. There are expressways being built (a bypass circular road and a North to South elevated expressway in Dhaka). They are also trying to harmonize the regular bus routes in Dhaka at the moment. Everything happening all at once.

I am hoping that within five more years car ownership will go up significantly because roads and highways will be more organized and the govt. will take steps to make cars cheaper because MRT and BRT will take some load off the main roads. Dhaka looks like a clusterf*ck situation right now with MRT and BRT projects and their viaducts under construction everywhere. You can see the pictures and videos I posted in the sticky infra thread.

You can get some idea from these videos,

a shot of the elevated expressway being built (this is the part near the under construction 3rd terminal at Dhaka Airport). The expressway will have direct on and off ramps for this terminal.

A more comprehensive video about the expressway (this is in Bengali only).

 

[bluesky]

Bangladesh is a country of water, rivers, and shallow lakes. We need many boats and ships for transporting people and goods. Below is a video that shows people working to repair or build ships.

 

[Bilal9]

Process of making tractor-trailer hydraulic jacks in roadside workshop in Pakistan.

A very critical heavy-engineering item bespoke manufactured from scratch at minimal expense - providing legit vocational employment to folks needing this value addition activity to feed their families.

Lack of precision CNC tools available is not an issue.

The improvisation and innovative problem solving is simply amazing.

We need this expertise in Bangladesh to manufacture things like this - instead of running to foreign countries to meet needs.

Bangladesh has an unbelievable number of cranes, tipper trucks, earth mover equipment - no less than Pakistan right now and probably greater because of construction activity and all of them use hydraulic jacks and rams.

I cannot for the life of me, fathom why no one in Bangladesh is taking an initiative to manufacture these in the country. Meet our own demands you idiots!!

They can easily go to Pakistan and bring in experts and machinery to manufacture this within the country.

Even tractors and agricultural equipment uses hydraulic jacks, and we have plenty of those.

When they need these jacks - these Bangladeshi wholesaler idiots will do the same thing they always have done, cross the border and run to India's cow belt, to support Indian BIMARU state roadside workshops and finance Bharatiya Hindutva and minority oppression campaigns in the process.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Bangladesh is a country of water, rivers, and shallow lakes. We need many boats and ships for transporting people and goods. Below is a video that shows people working to repair or build ships.

I was looking at Bengali shipbuilding (and breaking) industry
iTS insane, inland people can only appreciate it from afar - all our coast is basically Baloch including Sindh coast

I also love their adventurous lifestyle- they are settled all over the GCC, Oman, Iran
you know how yall have ethnic Bengalis in India, Burma etc- its similar but just on coastlines of all these countries

and go on these week long fishing hunts,
build these epic boats (wooden one not industrial ones like Bangladesh)

Coastal people live an interesting life- do Bangladeshis consider themselves a sea faring nation?

 

[bluesky]

I cannot for the life of me, fathom why no one in Bangladesh is taking an initiative to manufacture these in the country. Meet our own demands you idiots!!

A private initiator needs his own urge, govt/ bank supports and a market to start a mechanical workshop or a factory.

I am sure the GoB does not encourage people to initiate such an enterprise. So, we have Dholaikhal workshops. But, the govt has always been bullying them since 1947 by citing this and that law.

In an average country like Japan, Taiwan or Korea, the govt used their expertise, extended loans, gave incentives, and created govt-initiated projects to buy out/ consume the products, and with improved quality the private industries started to buy the products.

BD govt has no support system to make these small industries to flourish. Instead we prefer to buy foreign goods and earn two pices of pocket money.

 

[Solidify]

 

[Bilal9]

I was looking at Bengali shipbuilding (and breaking) industry
iTS insane, inland people can only appreciate it from afar - all our coast is basically Baloch including Sindh coast

I also love their adventurous lifestyle- they are settled all over the GCC, Oman, Iran
you know how yall have ethnic Bengalis in India, Burma etc- its similar but just on coastlines of all these countries

and go on these week long fishing hunts,
build these epic boats (wooden one not industrial ones like Bangladesh)

Coastal people live an interesting life- do Bangladeshis consider themselves a sea faring nation?

Poor people have to feed their families and fishing is one way to do that in the coastal areas. Can't shy away because of the dangers. The risks are great, but so are the rewards, sometimes.

Long ago, different dynasties in Bangladesh had navies and had commercial sea-links with places as far away as Java and South China sea (Chinese sea vessels routinely called at Bangladesh ports).

Sri-Lanka royal family was populated by Buddhist Bengalis, in fact Sinhala have the same blood (gene groups and haplotypes) as early Buddhist Bengali Royalty and missionaries, they are our blood brothers, literally.

Yes, the Sinhalese have their origins in Bengal, Odisha

The “Mahavamsa”, arguably the greatest chronicle of Sri Lanka, narrates that the founder of the Sinhalese community had his roots among ancestors from East India.

indianexpress.com

Seafaring vessels from eastern Bengal were used to spread Buddhism to Myanmar and Thailand from Bangladesh. Myanmar and Thai Alphabets look pretty similar to early Bengali (Pali) alphabets. Modern Thai vowels and consonant symbols are almost identical to those of Bangla. So this proves the early Buddhist connections between IndoChina and Bangladesh.

These are Sukhothai consonants - one can see the similarity in the sounds (Ka, Kha, Ga, Gha, cha, chha, ja, jha, ta, tha, da, dha, pa, pha, ba, bha, ma etc.). The symbols evolved through the years and are quite different from Pali nowadays, in both Bangladesh and Thailand.

These are Bangla consonants

@Joe Shearer Dada, mayer bhasha.

Talibbo-sho. mordhonno-sho and donto-sho. Three different sounds just for "S".

 

[MultaniGuy]

@Title, yes Pakistan is more industrialized than Bangladesh is.

But Bangladesh also exports some good textiles.

Back in the old days Jute used to be very valuable.

I don't know how Bangladeshi Jute is doing these days.

 

[bluesky]

@Title, yes Pakistan is more industrialized than Bangladesh is.

But Bangladesh also exports some good textiles.

Back in the old days Jute used to be very valuable.

I don't know how Bangladeshi Jute is doing these days.

Jute has lost its glitters in the early 1970s because of the introduction and wide use of oil-based fabrics throughout the world.

I believe it should come back with more glitters once the industrialized countries watch more of the pollution created by oil derivatives.

But, at present, it is not really happening that way. Maybe our govt failed to highlight jute as a non-pollutant in the foreign Capitals. On the other hand, many of our farmers have also switched to other cash crops. However,

I have noticed our govt has circulated notice to switch back to jute sacks again in the domestic market. How successful, I do not know.

 

[Bilal9]

Jute has lost its glitters in the early 1970s because of the introduction and wide use of oil-based fabrics throughout the world.

I believe it should come back with more glitters once the industrialized countries watch more of the pollution created by oil derivatives.

But, at present, it is not really happening that way. Maybe our govt failed to highlight jute as a non-pollutant in the foreign Capitals. On the other hand, many of our farmers have also switched to other cash crops. However,

I have noticed our govt has circulated notice to switch back to jute sacks again in the domestic market. How successful, I do not know.

Jute exports increased by 40% last year- Thanks to global appreciation of this bio-degradable fiber for packaging and geo-textiles as a substitute for Polypropylene bags. Jute is also a higher value earner for handicraft items and espadrille shoes (where the lightweight soles of these womens' summer shoes are made entirely out of jute yarn and rope).

Raw jute export from Bangladesh to India was banned for a while so local value addition using jute fiber increased. Just like Pakistan did with Cotton value addition locally.

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Export earnings from Jute Products increased 40 percent 2020-21 fiscal years in Bangladesh​

Once upon time Jute Called the Golden Fiber of Bangladesh. The country earned lot of Foreign currency from jute & jute process products, The present government of Bangladesh has taken lot of steps Jute cultivation & production of jute & jute processing products & all for this Bangladesh gained good success in Jute products earnings.
https://www.digg.com/submit?url=htt...0-percent-2020-21-fiscal-years-in-bangladesh/

Once upon time Jute was called the Golden Fiber of Bangladesh. The country earned lot of Foreign currency from jute & jute process products, The present government of Bangladesh has taken lot of steps Jute cultivation & production of jute & jute processing products & all for this Bangladesh gained good success in Jute products earnings. Statistics say the export earnings from jute and jute products have increased by nearly 40 percent in the current 2020-21 fiscal year inf Bangladesh.

The export earnings from jute and jute goods are also 20.47 percent higher than the target set by the government.
Because of the measures taken by the Government, exports of jute and jute products have been steadily increasing for several months. A government project titled ‘Advanced Technology Based Jute and Jute Seed Production and Expansion’ is currently being implemented in 230 upazilas of 46 districts of the country, with a view to increasing the production of quality jute and achieve self-sufficiency in jute seed production by 2023.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Poor people have to feed their families and fishing is one way to do that in the coastal areas. Can't shy away because of the dangers. The risks are great, but so are the rewards, sometimes.

Long ago, different dynasties in Bangladesh had navies and had commercial sea-links with places as far away as Java and South China sea (Chinese sea vessels routinely called at Bangladesh ports).

Sri-Lanka royal family was populated by Buddhist Bengalis, in fact Sinhala have the same blood (gene groups and haplotypes) as early Buddhist Bengali Royalty and missionaries, they are our blood brothers, literally.

Yes, the Sinhalese have their origins in Bengal, Odisha

The “Mahavamsa”, arguably the greatest chronicle of Sri Lanka, narrates that the founder of the Sinhalese community had his roots among ancestors from East India.

indianexpress.com

Seafaring vessels from eastern Bengal were used to spread Buddhism to Myanmar and Thailand from Bangladesh. Myanmar and Thai Alphabets look pretty similar to early Bengali (Pali) alphabets. Modern Thai vowels and consonant symbols are almost identical to those of Bangla. So this proves the early Buddhist connections between IndoChina and Bangladesh.

These are Sukhothai consonants - one can see the similarity in the sounds (Ka, Kha, Ga, Gha, cha, chha, ja, jha, ta, tha, da, dha, pa, pha, ba, bha, ma etc.). The symbols evolved through the years and are quite different from Pali nowadays, in both Bangladesh and Thailand.

These are Bangla consonants

@Joe Shearer Dada, mayer bhasha.

Talibbo-sho. mordhonno-sho and donto-sho. Three different sounds just for "S".

I feel like your relationship with SEA is like how our relationship was with centeral asia and Iran
But they were like you and we were SEA, they did Islamic missionary work here
In the process also added part of thier culture, languages etc

Y'all might have somewhat of a soft power over SEA and Sri Lanka
Who knows

 

[Bilal9]

I feel like your relationship with SEA is like how our relationship was with centeral asia and Iran
But they were like you and we were SEA, they did Islamic missionary work here
In the process also added part of thier culture, languages etc

Y'all might have somewhat of a soft power over SEA and Sri Lanka
Who knows

Yes Buddhism and religious conversions in Indochina (helped by the rulers in those areas to control their populations using precepts and discipline of Buddhism) was the primary driver of this intellectual soft power - the power of ideas.

Eastern Bengal was a major center of Buddhist religious movement after Bihar area, through which the religion spread to Indochina - predating. The ruins of numerous stupas and Buddhist universities (Vihara) found in Eastern Bengal are all testament to this phenomenon, as are the accounts of travelers in those days from China and the Middle East who described the prosperity and intellectual advancements at that time in Bengal.

In any case - we are straying from the subject of the thread.

Somapura Vihara, Paharpur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somapura_Mahavihara) dates from 8th Century AD

Shalban Vihara, Mainamati, Comilla dates from 6th–13th century AD

Ruins at MahasthanGarh (PundraNagar) - which date back to the 3rd Century BCE, this is one of the older sites, but there are other sites dating back even further. This was an important urban center during the reign of the Maurya dynasty in its Eastern flanks.

Vasu Bihara, Bogra dates from 6th Century AD (Xuanzang [ɕɥɛ̌n.tsâŋ] (Chinese: 玄奘; fl. 602 – 664), born Chen Hui / Chen Yi (陳禕), also known as Hiuen Tsang visited here and reported that there were 700 monks studying at this location).