Is Musharaf responsible for the present weak position of Pakistan over IOK?

[M.SAAD]

No matter what people say/think of him. Facts are facts, he is responsible for the ill orchestrated Kargil war debacle for Pakistan which turned the International community opinion against Pakistan vis a vis Kashmir issue.

Then he came to power in Pakistan and pretty much reversed all the gains we had made in Kashmir. Got all cozy with India and allowed India to crush the Jihad in Kashmir by bowing to their demands and tied the hands of all the Freedom fighters who were fighting in IOK through Pakistan's help. The armed struggle in Kashmir was at its peak back then. He even allowed India to build the fence along the LOC and DID NOTHING for the Kashmiri struggle. All the gains made in IOK were lost just cause of him and India has now improved their infrastructure along LOC and inside IOK so much that it is almost impossible for Pakistan to raise the momentum of any armed struggle.


What are your thoughts on this??

 

[Riz]

Inshallah some one will post this thread soon.... & title will be like
Is Qaid e Azam responsible for the present weak position of Pakistan over IOK?
WTF is going on fellows???? U will suicide if tomorrow india declared GB as there integral part????

 

[yesboss]

We don't have one good leader, civilians were no different, and dictators have always caused long run damage to the state.

 

[Chakar The Great]

I think its Darwin.

 

[Inception-06]

@MastanKhan @Signalian

Its also the fault of the Kashmiris, we tried two times to help them, but they never took the chance to join our hands in 1965 war and 1999 war, instead of the Kashmiris always betrayed the Pakistan Army! They now get what they deserve, sound harsh but as you see its the reality and was a question of time!

No offence to Kashmiris, but that's just a part of our history!

1965 Operation Gibralter:

"The local population, however, refused to give any support and in many instances handed over the infiltrators to Indian troops."

1999 Operation Al-Badre was the last chance for them:

 

[airmarshal]

He is. He legalized corruption. For his own interest of staying in power, he gave NRO to the known thieves like Benazir and Sharif.

We have lost more in last 10 years than ever before. Pakistan was not this weak as it is now.

 

[Sine Nomine]

No matter what people say/think of him. Facts are facts, he is responsible for the ill orchestrated Kargil war debacle for Pakistan which turned the International community opinion against Pakistan vis a vis Kashmir issue.

Then he came to power in Pakistan and pretty much reversed all the gains we had made in Kashmir. Got all cozy with India and allowed India to crush the Jihad in Kashmir by bowing to their demands and tied the hands of all the Freedom fighters who were fighting in IOK through Pakistan's help. The armed struggle in Kashmir was at its peak back then. He even allowed India to build the fence along the LOC and DID NOTHING for the Kashmiri struggle. All the gains made in IOK were lost just cause of him and India has now improved their infrastructure along LOC and inside IOK so much that it is almost impossible for Pakistan to raise the momentum of any armed struggle.


What are your thoughts on this??

Get ready for abuse.

@MastanKhan @Signalian

Its also the fault of the Kashmiris, we tried two times to help them, but they never took the chance to join our hands in 1965 war and 1999 war, instead of the Kashmiris always betrayed the Pakistan Army! They now get what they deserve, sound harsh but as you see its the reality and was a question of time!


1999 was the last chance for them:


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If you don't know,don't speak.
1965 you went without homework.
1999 Valley was boiling and armed struggle was on it's peak,what we did you know that.

 

[Unite & Defend]

Its the fault of all Pakistani stakeholders - and pointing fingers is worthless.

 

[HAIDER]

No matter what people say/think of him. Facts are facts, he is responsible for the ill orchestrated Kargil war debacle for Pakistan which turned the International community opinion against Pakistan vis a vis Kashmir issue.

Then he came to power in Pakistan and pretty much reversed all the gains we had made in Kashmir. Got all cozy with India and allowed India to crush the Jihad in Kashmir by bowing to their demands and tied the hands of all the Freedom fighters who were fighting in IOK through Pakistan's help. The armed struggle in Kashmir was at its peak back then. He even allowed India to build the fence along the LOC and DID NOTHING for the Kashmiri struggle. All the gains made in IOK were lost just cause of him and India has now improved their infrastructure along LOC and inside IOK so much that it is almost impossible for Pakistan to raise the momentum of any armed struggle.


What are your thoughts on this??

Nawaz chicken out .... He was PM and attend the presentation

 

[M.SAAD]

Nawaz chicken out .... He was PM and chief of armed forces.

If Musharaf did not ask Nawaz Sharif or Chief of other wings of armed forces (Navy and Airforce) before sending in the Troops then why did he pull the troops out on his order???

 

[HAIDER]

If Musharaf did not ask Nawaz Sharif or Chief of other wings of armed forces (Navy and Airforce) before sending in the Troops then why did he pull the troops out on his order???

@blain2 @Signalian

 

[Fawad alam]

Nawaz chicken out

(disclaimer: I am not in PMLN)
https://www.facebook.com/ahtesham99/videos/2516490535047129/

 

[RangeMaster]

@MastanKhan @Signalian

Its also the fault of the Kashmiris.


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Don't you dare.... They've sacrificed everything they had. What more do you want?

 

[HAIDER]

Don't you dare.... They've sacrificed everything they had. What more do you want?

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These SOB... killed unarmed PAKISTANI.

 

[niaz]

Must we blame somebody for whatever is wrong with our policies? Don’t you think it is about time we stop the blame game and face the ground realities? Let me be blunt:

Pakistan is neither strong enough nor likely to so in the near future to take Kashmir by force of arms. At this moment in time, Pakistan’s economy cannot sustain a full-fledged war with India for more than a couple weeks (even if that!).

Indian economy is far larger than Pakistan and India is a bigger trading partner for nearly all the major countries of the world including the Muslim world. This includes Turkey; total Pakistan /Turkey annual trade volume is barely $600-million whereas India / Turkey trade volume is about $8-billion. Therefore, Lip Service aside; when it comes to the crunch, very few countries would support Pakistan against India in crucial matters.

India is fully aware of these facts. Hence a bigoted person like Modi will do whatever he likes in Kashmir and get away with it.

Modi had the removal of Kashmir special status in his election manifesto; Kargil or no Kargil he would have carried it out. Why blame Musharraf or anyone else?