Is it too good to be tolerant or is it a weakness?

[SQ8]

tell me any country where you can see those things i bet you you cant find any

Not in India either. The state can be all it wants to be. The state can say that it is tolerant but ten Hindus can kill a Muslim with the state helpless... then the country is intolerant.
The state means zero without the people, and the people of India, Pakistan and the subcontinent in general are intolerant until someone holds a gun to their heads.

I have planned a visit to pakistan to deradicalized myself. Unfortunately the deradicalization expert like you is not available in india. Wait till i get the treatment in pakistan.

Considering you are being intolerant to any other opinion besides yourself, you are being fairly hypocritical by opening this thread to ask for other's opinion when you have zero tolerance for it.

 

[HariPrasad]

True. Should have never banned the satanic verses as well. But that's not an excuse now to create an environment where people are afraid to voice their opinion, unfortunately that is where we seem to be heading slowly.

How people are afraid? Has anybody issued a fatwa to kill them? They said something and people are reacting to them in non violent manner. If people feel that their feeling is hurt than we have the right to oppose in law framework of India.

Considering you are being intolerant to any other opinion besides yourself, you are being fairly hypocritical by opening this thread to ask for other's opinion when you have zero tolerance for it.

In my op, I have defined what intolerance according to me. I will not tolerate any nonsense and exercise my right to oppose in non violent manner. I am firm on that.

 

[Vapnope]

Had you not struck this thread with your idiocy, you would not have become less Pakistani.

Well posting on a Pakistani site and expecting pakistanis not to comment on it. You really need to think about it again man.

 

[HariPrasad]

Well posting on a Pakistani site and expecting pakistanis not to comment on it. You really need to think about it again man.

I have never said that.

 

[supereffect]

Not in India either. The state can be all it wants to be. The state can say that it is tolerant but ten Hindus can kill a Muslim with the state helpless... then the country is intolerant.
The state means zero without the people, and the people of India, Pakistan and the subcontinent in general are intolerant until someone holds a gun to their heads.


seriously bro lol..see who saying 10 hindu killing 1muslim...its a big troll by pak

 

[Sky lord]

True. Should have never banned the satanic verses as well. But that's not an excuse now to create an environment where people are afraid to voice their opinion, unfortunately that is where we seem to be heading slowly.

India had meandered so far to the left in some respects as to defy common sense. A little push back and course correction is necessary and some will push harder than others. we cannot at the end of the day allow the country to be completely hijacked by the premises of unelected morons in a kitchen cabinet like Sonia's NAC.

If Arundhati Roy and Geelani have a platform to speak, no reason why collected sants and sadvis should not be given equal platform.

people seem to hide their fear of expressing their opinions quite well. Everyday we have a collection from all ranks of society screaming against the government and especially the PM on prime time TV. After which they go to the club for a drink, and continue everyday life till the next show...where is the fear? They may not be lionized as much as they used to be, but no one is harming them.

 

[HariPrasad]

Tolerant towards tolerant...
Intolerant towards intolerant......that's it

Well said.

Well come.

 

[Vapnope]

india is symbol of peace/symbol of god land/

ppl hv freedom to speak diffrent diffrent language

ppl hv freedom to adopt any culture

ppl hv freedom of speak


tell me any country where you can see those things i bet you you cant find an

You know there more countries other than India, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan. You guys keep saying stuff like this and make a fool out of you.

 

[Mav3rick]

Now a days there is a great discussion in india on tolerance and intolerance. Yesterday that congressi goon Mallikarjun Khadge threaten a blood shade in country if the constitution is amended. Constitution is amended over 100 times till date to suit congress agenda. These are the people who shout too much about the tolerance. What I want to argue is that in India, we have develop an elite class in India who have monopolized the right to intolerance. If you challenge them , you become intolerant. Amirkhan makes a movie insulting Hindu gods but if we say that movie should be boycotted than they will declare us intolerant. That goon Shahrukh slapped some celebrity over some issue in a party. Now this goon will advise us about the tolerance. Congress crack down on Anna and swami Ramdev who were demanding some stick law and action against corruption. Now congress is advocating tolerance.

I would like to point out that the message that Amir Khan tried to convey in his movie, and apparently missed on you, was that we need the right connection to our God, whomever He may be. And that there are people here who exploit religion for their personal gains. He did not mock any religion or God, he mocked those who were dividing us on sects within same religions and so on and made us think about people who exploit religion.

 

[HariPrasad]

I would like to point out that the message that Amir Khan tried to convey in his movie, and apparently missed on you, was that we need the right connection to our God, whomever He may be. And that there are people here who exploit religion for their personal gains. He did not mock any religion or God, he mocked those who were dividing us on sects within same religions and so on and made us think about people who exploit religion.

You see, When you have a emerging desire of showing wrong practices on the name of religion, you must choose Hiduism and Hindus. Somebody resembling Prophet running here and there (Like shown in PK ) will bring a wajib ul qutla fatva. So it is always safe to mock hindu religion either rightly or wrongly. Nobody dare to do that Muslim.
Same way it is safe term somebody intolerant who opposes you on twiter or facebook. In india you can not not say intolerant to some one waiving Pakistani and ISIS flags, you know. Here arundhati roy is tolerant so as amir khan and gilani. If sadhvi say that if you are not comfortable than go to Pakistan. She become the icon of intolerance.

 

[Mav3rick]

You see, When you have a emerging desire of showing wrong practices on the name of religion, you must choose Hiduism and Hindus. Somebody resembling Prophet running here and there (Like shown in PK ) will bring a wajib ul qutla fatva. So it is always safe to mock hindu religion either rightly or wrongly. Nobody dare to do that Muslim.
Same way it is safe term somebody intolerant who opposes you on twiter or facebook. In india you can not not say intolerant to some one waiving Pakistani and ISIS flags, you know. Here arundhati roy is tolerant so as amir khan and gilani. If sadhvi say that if you are not comfortable than go to Pakistan. She become the icon of intolerance.

It's not about what was said, it is rather to do with act or the will to act hostile. Shiv sena, I read somehwere has promised a reward of Rs. 1 lac to anyone who slaps Amir Khan, that is intolerance.

 

[HariPrasad]

It's not about what was said, it is rather to do with act or the will to act hostile. Shiv sena, I read somehwere has promised a reward of Rs. 1 lac to anyone who slaps Amir Khan, that is intolerance.

Slapping is violence and I am opposed to that. I have made it clear in my OP. What about the non violent protest ?

 

[Perpendicular]

Lets come back to the basics.

If one doesn't eat beef, it does not mean to force upon other to do the same. Tolerant
When a muslim Indian decides to leave India then be it, its similar to when a sikh or hindu or christian or any other Indian decides to leave for economic reasons. But when the reason is fear then obviously its worrying, its worrying for India, whether a muslim says or not. To mention that reason or fear is not to belittle the state but a need from the state to address the situation.

Not to mix up with following statement when i say

Indian muslims are Indians first, same goes for every other citizen of India of every other religion, and those who don't believe that idea are happily welcome to leave India, pronto. That doesn't make me intolerant though, does it.

 

[rubyjackass]

Now a days there is a great discussion in india on tolerance and intolerance. Yesterday that congressi goon Mallikarjun Khadge threaten a blood shade in country if the constitution is amended. Constitution is amended over 100 times till date to suit congress agenda. These are the people who shout too much about the tolerance. What I want to argue is that in India, we have develop an elite class in India who have monopolized the right to intolerance. If you challenge them , you become intolerant. Amirkhan makes a movie insulting Hindu gods but if we say that movie should be boycotted than they will declare us intolerant. That goon Shahrukh slapped some celebrity over some issue in a party. Now this goon will advise us about the tolerance. Congress crack down on Anna and swami Ramdev who were demanding some stick law and action against corruption. Now congress is advocating tolerance.

AmirKhan did not make a movie to insult Hinduism. He was catering to the largest market in the country.

Intolerance is not some competition to better the other guy. In personal life, if you slap someone in rage that is one thing. But to restrict a person's freedoms for life is bad.

If you challenge their status than these goons and their sycophants will literally attack you and declare you intolerant or communal. Actually who soever opposes Amir khan's statement has nothing to do with communalism but they will be declared communal.

AmirKhan was asked to shut up by even Nasiruddin Shah. He was creating fear psychosis among muslims.

Here my question is that whether it is too good to be tolerant or should we not tolerate any nonsense which intrudes into our right of freedom and react back to every such effort. I believe that one sided over tolerance is a sign of weakness. We are taught that tolerance is a virtue. In fact it is not. Tolerance of some people give freehand to hand full of people to insult others and be celebrity.I think social media has played a very important role in renaissance. These people are getting exposed now. We are not dependent on media now to know the truth. This has bought down these pseudo celebrity on the earth from sky.

My question is to all of you is whether should we be tolerant and continue to tolerate or should we not tolerate anything and make sure that our rights and freedom is protected and it is not intruded by handful people. We must have the same right of freedom of expression what our so called celebrities enjoy.

Honorable members share your views on this.

Tolerating a violation of freedom is not tolerance. It is slavery. I don't understand your point here. Did any celebrity hurt your freedoms? How? Beefbanners are openly declaring their stance aren't they? How is anybody's freedom of expression violated?

Insulting others is a freedom we have. Nobody can hurt us physically for that. You insult him back. That is healthy.

 

[SQ8]

In my op, I have defined what intolerance according to me. I will not tolerate any nonsense and exercise my right to oppose in non violent manner. I am firm on that.

In other words, you are intolerant as well. So you have ALREADY defined that you have accepted intolerance as a path and your asking for other's opinion on intolerance a drama without a reason.