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Is India's Main Battle Tank Finally Doomed?

Pls welcome India Arjun MBT come out ! :azn:

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As expected
Known PDF troll Luca1 is the first to jump on a troll thread
Their is a difference between MBTs and Infantry Fighting Vehicles

The RFI is for replacing BMP-2 IFV,

Also the Number of T-90 in-service exceed a 1000,
These bozos are still touting the figure from 2009
 
As expected
Known PDF troll Luca1 is the first to jump on a troll thread
Their is a difference between MBTs and Infantry Fighting Vehicles

The RFI is for replacing BMP-2 IFV,

Also the Number of T-90 in-service exceed a 1000,
These bozos are still touting the figure from 2009

I have 2 people on my ignore list. I saw " view 2 hidden comments" and I guessed that it will be either of the two. Surprisingly, it was both of them.
 
The article says the following (gem) while concluding;


India has been working on an improved version of the Arjun, the MK-II, which has done very well in comparative trials with license-built Russian tanks such as the T-90M. It displays more than 93 improvements over the older version and contains 60 percent locally manufactured components.

Much ado for nothing.
I can see some posters trouser belt missing few loops here..
 
Speaks a ton about your awareness and knowledge about Indian Defence

And on Arjun replacing T72 in 2025.

Do you think Arjun will be in production till that time ? Simple Answer => No.

A newer design will supersede it.
Yes MK II if nit rejected again If clear the trials. in fact Arjun is a failure like Tejas.
 
what do you expect from these "writers".they call al-zarrar,which is upgraded version of chinese type-59 which itself was a copy of t-54,a 50s design better then arjun and maybe t90.
 
Arjun was a 30 year old project still not completed not a single Tank operational, during trials more then 40 time brook down
I see you are a great military think tank. Would it be very rude to ask you for the source of your information for both the bold claims ??
 
I see you are a great military think tank. Would it be very rude to ask you for the source of your information for both the bold claims ??
n 1988-1989 two prototypes underwent automotive trials, which revealed major deficiencies in mobility, engine, and transmission.[56]

The prototypes that underwent extensive mobility and armament trials, in 1996 and 1997 were found to perform below the acceptable standards and deficiencies were listed in the following areas:[56]

  • Accuracy of gun at battle ranges
  • Mission reliability
  • Ammunition lethality
  • Containerization of ammunition bin
  • Emergency traverse
  • Fire control system unable to function in temperatures above 42 degrees Celsius (108 degrees Fahrenheit).[57]
The Arjun faced persistent problems of overheating and that "tank’s main subsystems, the fire control system (FCS), the suspension system, integrated gunner’s main sight, which includes a thermal imager and laser range-finder, which were rendered erratic and useless by the abnormally high peak internal temperature of beyond 55 °C in India. However, Major General H.M. Singh, a director in charge of trial and evaluation, said the user field trial report had certified the accuracy and consistency of the weapon system.[58][59][60][61]

In August 2014, The apex Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) renewed a Rs 6,600 crore clearance for 118 Arjun Mark II tanks. The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government had already cleared 118 Arjun Mark IIs. That clearance had expired since the army has been evaluating the prototype tank for two years. The renewal allows the army to order the tanks from Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi, when trials are completed. Further support was extended to the Arjun tank project through the clearance of 40 self-propelled artillery guns, worth Rs 820 crore. This gun system, termed a "catapult", consists of a 130-millimetre gun mounted on an Arjun tank chassis, allowing it to keep up with tank columns and provide them fire support in battle.[97
 
India's defense projects are under civilians. The regulations, heads, work environment - everything is civilian. That comes with exasperating bureaucracy. On top of that there is a compulsive urge among Indians to turn everything into Deshi / Indian and in that process ruin the product itself. Indians will just not accept that they make nothing major that is indigenous.
 
n 1988-1989 two prototypes underwent automotive trials, which revealed major deficiencies in mobility, engine, and transmission.[56]

The prototypes that underwent extensive mobility and armament trials, in 1996 and 1997 were found to perform below the acceptable standards and deficiencies were listed in the following areas:[56]

  • Accuracy of gun at battle ranges
  • Mission reliability
  • Ammunition lethality
  • Containerization of ammunition bin
  • Emergency traverse
  • Fire control system unable to function in temperatures above 42 degrees Celsius (108 degrees Fahrenheit).[57]
The Arjun faced persistent problems of overheating and that "tank’s main subsystems, the fire control system (FCS), the suspension system, integrated gunner’s main sight, which includes a thermal imager and laser range-finder, which were rendered erratic and useless by the abnormally high peak internal temperature of beyond 55 °C in India. However, Major General H.M. Singh, a director in charge of trial and evaluation, said the user field trial report had certified the accuracy and consistency of the weapon system.[58][59][60][61]

In August 2014, The apex Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) renewed a Rs 6,600 crore clearance for 118 Arjun Mark II tanks. The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government had already cleared 118 Arjun Mark IIs. That clearance had expired since the army has been evaluating the prototype tank for two years. The renewal allows the army to order the tanks from Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi, when trials are completed. Further support was extended to the Arjun tank project through the clearance of 40 self-propelled artillery guns, worth Rs 820 crore. This gun system, termed a "catapult", consists of a 130-millimetre gun mounted on an Arjun tank chassis, allowing it to keep up with tank columns and provide them fire support in battle.[97
Hmmm...Two observations.
1. It was convenient of you to quote Wikipedia when to demean a Indian product but would not accept any criticism against any Pakistani (Sorry, Bought from China) system !! In those situations Wiki becomes the worst place to get information. Strange isn't it.

2. Even if we assume the information in wiki to be relevant, even then I could not find your mythical "not a single Tank operational", and "more then 40 time brook down" claims. On the contrary I found this :-
A comparative trial was conducted by the Indian Army in March 2010, in which the Arjun was pitted against the T-90. The trial pitted one squadron of Arjuns against an equal number of T-90s. Each squadron was given three tactical tasks; each involved driving across 50 kilometres of desert terrain and then shooting at a set of targets. Each tank had to fire at least ten rounds, stationary and on the move, with each hit being carefully logged. In total, each tank drove 150 km and fired between 30-50 rounds. The trials also checked the tanks' ability to drive through water channels 1.5-1.8 metres deep.[78]

A Ministry of Defence press release reported that the Arjun demonstrated excellent performance under various circumstances, such as driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes, detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets, accurately hitting targets – both stationary and moving, with pin pointed accuracy. It displayed accurate and quick target acquisition capability during day and night in all types of weather and shortest possible reaction time during combat engagements.[78][79]

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124 MK1 tanks in service and 118 MK2 tanks decided for purchase[102][103][104]

40 130mm M-46 Catapults based on Arjun Chassis[104]
 
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