No muslim practices christian and hindu beliefs, obvioulsy. many hindus dont follow muslim and christian beliefs. Same with the christians too.
But, Yoga was invented by the same brahmans that invented the caste system. Still so many follow the practise of yoga, one of the best hindu inventions.
I still don't understand what doing Yoga has to do with the caste system. The English invented cricket, and they were christians. So should every cricket player owe a gratitutde to christianity?
Although i must say, you have finally acknowledged what I was saying. The Brahmans did invent the caste system, with the victims being those in the lowest castes, i.e. a majority of the people in Northern India.
None of your points and arguments make any sense.
Plz be more specific in the future, without making blanket statements.
Your knowledge on the caste system is weak and your allegations are completely baseless.
I challenge you to disprove any of my statements. I did not post anything that cannot be readily sourced from reputable Indian historians.
Its the same concept like Jihad in the Quran. It has humble beginnings, but over the years the concept of Jihad was twisted and destroyed by various mullahs to suit their purpose. It was the same with the caste system.
According to the caste system, a Brahman is one who is enlightened, like doctors and the teachers.
Kshatriyas are ones who serve society through leadership, like kings and soldiers.
vaishyas are the normal folk like traders, farmers etc.
There was no such thing called "SHUDRA." The word doesn't exist in the vedas.
What an outright lie, or a statement of complete ignorance. The shudra not being mentioned in the vedas?
Have you forgotten the latest Mandala (X) in the Rig Veda, oft quoted by many Brahmin priests themselves?
"The Brahmin was his mouth, of both arms was the rajanya(kshatriya) made, his thighs became the vaisya, from his feet the shudra was produced" Rig Veda (X),n.90.
Do you know the Vedas is full of contemptual references towards teh local non-aryans, like Das, Dasyu and mleccha (maleechh)?
According to the vedas, a brahman can become a vaishya or kshatriya.
similarly a vaishya can become a brahman or a kshatriya. a kshatriya can become a brahman or vaishya too. It was left upto the people what career path they chose.
But, as time progressed. Some idiotic kings decided that the "purity" of a brahmana must not be lost and they came up with laws that say a brahmana must remain a brahmana, a kshitraya must remain a kshatriya while a vaishya must remain a vaishya. These half baked ideas are similar to the way the Mullahs have twisted Islamic ideals like Jihad.
In our present day, we can become whoever we want to be. a doctor, a businessman, teachers, soldiers, politicians etc.
Now, imagine a law is passed where the son of a doctor must only go into the field of medicine, a teachers son must become a teacher, a politician's son must become a politician. Such a law can destroy society. The same thing happened to the caste system. A few thousand years of it made sure the caste system becomes a social evil.
Thanks for the above, you have made my point for me. The caste system is teh root of all social evils in Bharat, which were imposed by the conquering Aryans.
Now I ask, the Aryans conquered and became the Brahmans, VAsiya and Kshatriya. Doesn't this prove that teh whole of the conquered population were enslaved and made Shudras?
The vedas are full of references to teh despised Daasa, or Das (servant, slave) who were the actual residents of Bharat before this invasion, and subsequently became the Das and Dasis of the Aryans.
The existence of Shudra came due to illiteracy and a lack of flexibility. There has always been a group of people who do dirty work in all societies in the world. For example, people who worked in sanitation. They had to bear the brunt of the caste system. Do u know where people S**t or dumped garbage before the advent of modern day sanitation. It was in the open fields. Do u know who cleaned up the mess??? It was the very same people who are now called the Shudras. Untouchability isnt an indian invention. It existed in all societies in the ancient times and it exists in todays society too.
Yes, it still exists in INdia.
Darkstar u live in brussels right. There is a sanitation company that comes to your house once a week to collect garbage right. Have you ever spoken to the guy who collects your garbage?
Yes I do, and he comes every year to get money for his firm's yearly calendar. Unfortunately for you, I don't run out of his shadow straight to the power shower. I offer him a cuppa, and he's on his way.
However, I am surprised that you want to juxtapose your beliefs on other people. You may have exported Yoga, but you will never be able to export the caste system to teh west, or even the east for that matter, because people will despise even the notion of it. If you live in the west, and refuse to shake the hands of janitors, or people doing menial working class jobs, you will only expose teh deficiencies in your own culture and upbringing. It won't hurt the person you will have affronted.
Do u know that it is not easy to come out of a manhole connected to the drain. You need to lift yourself up to get out. Have you ever given a helping hand to lift him out. NEVER. So I guess that makes the garbage man and the drainage guy untouchable in every sense of the word.
How many times have you shaken the hands of a doctor who always charges an exhorbitant fee and how many times have you shaken the hands of the garbage collector who actually works for a pittance.
The doctor and the garbage collector can easily be related to a Brahmana and a shudra. Do you get my point???
Well I wouldn't touch your hand either if you just come out of a manhole. However, if you take your gloves off, I probably would shake your hand. When I do the spring cleaning at home, my wife doesnt even want to smell me let alone touch until I have a shower. So by your account, we have recreated the caste structure in our own home. What a ludicrous analogy.
The fact of the matter is, the garbage man is not told that he is born to collect garbage, and that his progeny will do this work forever. And secondly, after a day's toil, he goes home and showers, and meets up with friends and relatives, and maybe even someone like me. They certainly don't avoide touching him, so no, he is not an untouchable.
However, no matter how m uch a shudra, dalit, untouchable, maleechh cleans himself, no matter how many litres of shampoo and pounds of soap he uses, he will always remain untouchable and dirty in the minds of the xenophobic Bhartis who subscribe to this caste system.
Another important question is, how many cleaners does a country like India need, where according to your statement, most people tend to, or used to go to the fields or woods to defecate. Why would you need a Shudra at that point, since toilets at home were pretty rare in ancient times, although not unheard of.
The percentage of shudras in India is so staggeringly high (esp. Northern India) that there must be another reason for this phenomenon. These are just not people who happened to be cleaners, because in no society on earth has teh cleaning population outnumbered the general population. The real reason was because these people were enslaved by the marauding/settling Aryans. This is a fact that cannot be denied.
This has to be an eye opener to many of the members who blindly believe that the caste system is a conspiracy by the brahmans to destroy our society.
Society created Shudra and not the Brahmana.
Now don't get your dhoti in a twist about the fact taht teh Brahmans did this. If you are Brahman let me tell you, that I am in no way intending to disrespect your caste. HOwever, one must take ownership of history.
You want to blame the kshatriyas, but I say there was a conspiracy between the two jatis. Since they were Aryan brothers, they decided to carve up India fro themselves, one becoming the ruling class, while the other becoming the priests who due to their knowledge of sankrti and vedic rituals imposed upon others, had a steady income. Both these, along with the vaisya conspired to create and uphold this system.
The unforunate locals, the Dravidians, the Adivasis were the victims of this conspiracy,and still have not able to loosen the shackles of slavery after so many millenia.
Before saying goodbye, a quote from teh highly respected INdian scholar, R.C. Majumder should shed some light on this conflict between the invading Aryans and the local Dravidian Bharati population
"It was not merely a struggle between two .. The Dravidians had to fight for their very existence...But all in vain...The Dravidians put up a brave fight, and laid down their lives in hundreds and thousands on various battlefields, but ultimately had to succumb to the attacks of the invaders. The Aryans destroyed their castles and cities, burnt their houses, and reduced a large number of them to slaves." R.C Majumder, Ancient INdia, p.30.
Dig Vijaya.
