Is being Anti-Islam the same as Pro-Indian?

[SQ8]

The fact that the percentage of Muslims in India has risen from about 9.91% in 1951 to 13.43% in 2001 to 14% in 2010 shows that there is nothing anti-Muslim in India. Now can some one give me a figure of Hindus and other minorities for the past 5 decades of the so called neighboring countries. The trend will show you the ground realities. It is just a propaganda of neighboring countries to instigate communal hatred and also to prove that the basis on which India was divided (2 nation theory) was correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21aLBgKNLKo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVe10jwZfAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcjb0CwbIZ4
And mind it...these are the views of Muslims...not a Hindu.

An apologetic Muslim.. which is not that it should be.

I consider that Muslims should as a peoples.. apologize for NOT realizing that people like Osama and Hafiz Saeed are breeding right next to them..
But to ask a Muslim to apologize for faults in Islam.. when there are none in the faith.. that is bigotry..
I also see a lot of misconceptions between the concepts of faith and religion.. the distinction between the two.. but that is for another thread.

 

[ares]

Answer the question about government interference in Temples?

Secular state also means not giving Haj Subsidy,doing amendments and changing laws etc etc.

Infact most of the brain drain that has happened in India is due to this grossly confusing and mismanaged politics.

There should not be any subsidies based on religion just like there should not be any reservation based on caste.

You complain about the trinkets being given to Muslims but at the same time you forget about treasures being retained by Hindus.

Muslims appeasement(which btw are a consolidated vote bank) is just as abhorring caste based politics(which also are a consolidated vote bank).

But above has very little to do with secularism.. such is the nature of democracy and there is no way around it ..laws swings in the favor of the majority ballot or atleast in the favor of the community which can vote with a single consistency.

 

[MST]

So, how many Indians agree with this person's bigotry?
Is it common place?

Sir I think you are reading too much into this.
Some people just come to online forums for 'Quicky' thanks to its anonymous nature and should be rightly banned.

People in India have lot more closer interaction with people of different faiths compared to other countries in our neighborhood and we are doing pretty well in spite of facing some friction that occur from time to time.

 

[MST]

And I am hardcore secularist..I sincerely believe, Indian leaders got it right the first time it self!

There is no room for religion in governance of the state. Religion should remain, where its meant to be, in people's personal lives!!

Indian secularism(there is still a lot room for improvement) is the best and perhaps the only counter to any fundamental yahoo state.

You defeat them by being better than them and not by becoming 'one' of them.

Ideal scenario. Not true on the ground.
The constitution of India may be secular. But India is hardly Secular. The Politics of India has never been secular. One religious minority votes en mass for one political party while another party goes for Rath Yatra to get majority community votes. If India has to become a Secular country politics on the basis of religion has to stop.

 

[MST]

@bronxbull I don't know about other religion, but moral degradation of Hindus.

Do you know Dalits in a Bihar village are not allowed to enter the village and they have to survive on eating rats.?

What type of Hindu allow female foeticide, gang rape of Dalit women by higher castes, allow people to die of hunger ?

In our religion, Women have 50% reservation even at God level, but not in Parliament.

Because of extremism propagated and paranoia created, the moderate Hindus supports Pseudo Secular govt. like Congress. Because of this extreme ideology, Hindus are divided in three categories, the most violent ones, the moderate ones and the oppressed ones whom no one care.

We survived thousands of years, against Muslim and British Invasion but when I see Islamic and Hindu extremism locking horns along with Pseudo Secular opportunistic Congressi, I feel that this is the biggest danger to my country.

Look at Modi. What he did in a decade. Even Muslims are voting for him. He not only kicked Muslim extremists but also tightened Hindu extremists like Bajrang Dal and VHP.

I ask you to stop this extremism. People from West are coming to learn Hinduism. Its spreading without any effort or gun on anyone's head.

Come to my village and I will show you what is the real threat to our country.

Religion is like a product. You have to keep its quality to keep it as a successful product. Increase the quality of Hindus within our community, see how people will adopt it without saying any word to anyone.

Yes I am Rajput and I will rather die if someone attacks my family and my neighbor who is from other religion, defending them against my own people or others if they are wrong.

@KRAIT

Dear,
You do realize that none of your examples have anything to do with Hinduism.

Dalits eating rats in Bihar is a social problem and economic problem. Had it been a religious it would have happened across India since Hinduism is not restricted to Bihar. Also I know first hand that many Muslims from very low strata have to do the same to survive. Again its a socio economic problem.

Female foeticide and gangrape by upper caste men is again a social problem economical problem. The rich have always exploited the poor and the landless. Rape and exploitation is not unique to Hinduism or India. I hope you catch my drift.

Regarding 50% reservation of women I am really surprised how come you gave this as an ill of Hinduism. One one we say we are secular country and religion has no role in Government and on another you are blaming a Govt failure on Religion.

There are ills in Hindu society but none that you have pointed. Sorry to say I think this is the kind of apologetic behavior that i have come to dislike in majority of my brothers. And its the exactly the kind of approach that gives the right wing fanatics cannon fodder. If only all of us give the same benefit of doubt to Hinduism that we give other religion we won't have right wings in our country.

At the end of the day I want an India which is secular in true sense (and not where govt runs religious institutions), has freedom of speech (e.g. people don't get arrested for likes on facebook) and that gives equal opportunity to all. I hope I will see one in my lifetime.

 

[MST]

They will feel thankful to the majority for helping out their religous obligation and will not think why should I be a minority when there is no extra benifit to be less significant among the majority.
If you don't give them such special previlages they fell like 11th in the queue of 10 and not as 1 in 10.

This is exactly the argument of the Psedo Seculars. What you are saying makes us NON SECULAR. So first decide is India a Secular Country or a Pseudo Secular Country.

If they didn't want to be minority they should have moved to Pakistan. They stayed in India knowing they will be minority. So why do they need special privileges. And a very fallacious argument. You just ignored the other 9. Are they any less Indians.

 

[Jayanta]

An apologetic Muslim.. which is not that it should be.

I consider that Muslims should as a peoples.. apologize for NOT realizing that people like Osama and Hafiz Saeed are breeding right next to them..
But to ask a Muslim to apologize for faults in Islam.. when there are none in the faith.. that is bigotry..
I also see a lot of misconceptions between the concepts of faith and religion.. the distinction between the two.. but that is for another thread.

Why are you quoting me ..... what apologetic Muslim??? What are you talking about?? Have you even heard a word of those people....please listen to them before you jump to any conclusion.

 

[KS]

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You complain about the trinkets being given to Muslims but at the same time you forget about treasures being retained by Hindus.....

What are the "treasures" being retained by Hindus ?

If by any chance you are referring to the Padmanabhaswamy Temple treasure, then may I remind you that the Waqf board holds the most amount of land in the country after the Government itself ? Would that come under the word "treasure" ? And what again you suggest be done with that "treasure" ? Melt priceless antiques like this and use that..? That would be murder of our culture and heritage and they belong as much to our future generation as to us and hence deserve to be preserved.

Moreover do you know that most of the rich temples are under Govt administration and their collections go directly to the state exchequer while the Waqf properties are untouched by the Govt ?

Read more on : link and link

And actually secularism demands that the state keep its hand away from religious matters which includes administering their assets.

 

[KS]

No one asked anyone to apologise for Islam..just for the actions that are done in the name of Islam.

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But to ask a Muslim to apologize for faults in Islam.. when there are none in the faith.. that is bigotry...

That is a view held only by the practising Muslims. Not by any one else.

 

[cloud_9]

I have one more question is being Anti Hindu the same as being Secular

 

[Koovie]

Answer the question about government interference in Temples?

Secular state also means not giving Haj Subsidy,doing amendments and changing laws etc etc.

Infact most of the brain drain that has happened in India is due to this grossly confusing and mismanaged politics.



Boss,

India is behaving like a western country,parliamentary democracy is a western concept,then what should i compare India with?

and regarding religion in Politics,why dont you start with your state first and ask for repealing the Muslim League.

Just because the parliamentary democracy works, does not mean that religion will work in India. I have given the reason, I think thats enough.

 

[Contrarian]

An apologetic Muslim.. which is not that it should be.

I consider that Muslims should as a peoples.. apologize for NOT realizing that people like Osama and Hafiz Saeed are breeding right next to them..
But to ask a Muslim to apologize for faults in Islam.. when there are none in the faith.. that is bigotry..
I also see a lot of misconceptions between the concepts of faith and religion.. the distinction between the two.. but that is for another thread.

Islam for us - all over the globe - is what Muslims practice and do.

It cannot and will not be dissociated with what acts Muslims are doing world wide.

And there has to be an inherent reason why its Muslims alone who are blowing themselves and others all over the globe. Today, I dont see Christians exploding in Egypt because they feel Christians are being oppressed. I dont see Hindus exploding in Pakistan because Pakistani's practice bigotry towards them. I dont see Budhists traveling to the other parts of the world to kill people.

So why is it that Muslims are doing it? It has to do with something wrong in Islam.

 

[KS]

Islam for us - all over the globe - is what Muslims practice and do.

It cannot and will not be dissociated with what acts Muslims are doing world wide.

Thanked for these two lines.

For non-Muslims - Islam is what Muslims practise. Pure and simple.

No one is interested or cares about what it is supposed to be in theory.

 

[muse]

Islam is what Muslims practise. Pure and simple

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This is God's truth - anyone who comes around selling you "REAL" Islam is blowing smoke up your.... See, if Islam is othjer than what it's adherents practice, then Islam really does not have any adherents, isn't that so? and yet you will hear it repeated. you will read it over and over, "Real": Islam, "True" Islam - Pie in the sky Islam.


See Communism is great, it's good and peaceful, it just that communists are no damn good - you buying this ?? Cuz I have other stuff too

 

[KRAIT]

@MST Buddy, my point has been that what is being a Hindu means. If there are socio-economic problems created by Hindu people, than there must be something wrong from the very same people who wants to fight other religion but don't fight against evils of their own.

I didn't call it ill in Hinduism as far as women reservation is concerned.

Thing is being a Hindu definition has changed. It has become us vs them. Hinduism is not just a religion but a way of life too. These socio-economic problems arises from moral degradation of people.

My entire point is different.