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[drmeson]

exactly when these test happened , j-10c is an airplane of 2018, j-10 is from 2006

Read again, its written on the slide that J-10C was in consideration and deliveries would have started in 2020 or may be beyond.

Personally speaking, I do not think IRIAF would have ever considered J-10A. The plane was a glorified 4.0 generation interceptor at best. Another MIG-29 9.13. J-10C is a solid improvement that BT reported IRIAF thought of or evaluated.

Where have the hundreds of helicopters Iran bought before 1979 gone?

Do you have serials and evidence they are operational now?

Because if you do then please post it here so that we can challenge the misinfo being spread by Wiki. Right now we only have words that mean nothing.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Read again, its written on the slide that J-10C was in consideration and deliveries would have started in 2020 or may be beyond.

Personally speaking, I do not think IRIAF would have ever considered J-10A. The plane was a glorified 4.0 generation interceptor at best. Another MIG-29 9.13. J-10C is a solid improvement that BT reported IRIAF thought of or evaluated.

well my question is when IRIAF evaluatedj-10c the plane start flying in 1018. i knew there was talk about j-10 in 2015 that luckily didn't go through

China, Iran Ponder $1B Oil-For-Arms Deal

Saudi Arabia and Israel believe that Iran will increase oil production and begin spending heavily on weapons after economic sanctions are lifted.

www.ibtimes.com

 

[drmeson]

Where have the many hundreds of helicopters Iran bought before 1979 gone? Unless these sources provide a realistic answer, the figures they're giving can't be taken all too seriously because they'd suggest that several hundreds of helicopters just went missing.

Not exactly. Out of the 61 x F-14AM, ~90 x F-5A/E/F/R, ~90 F-4R/E/F current operational fleet counted with serials and deployment is 34-41 Flyable F-14A/AM, ~60 F-5/Kowsar/Sagheh, 64 F-4E/F.

Can you guess where the rest of the fleets are ? I am not even mentioning where ~20 non operational SU-22M4 (10 operational in IRGC-AF, 14 went to Syria) or 13 Mirage F-1Q/EQ.

well my question is when IRIAF evaluatedj-10c the plane start flying in 1018. i knew there was talk about j-10 in 2015 that luckily didn't go through

China, Iran Ponder $1B Oil-For-Arms Deal

Saudi Arabia and Israel believe that Iran will increase oil production and begin spending heavily on weapons after economic sanctions are lifted.

www.ibtimes.com

If the plane flew in 2018, then it does not mean this version did not exist in the marketing plans of CAC. Highly likely, the Chinese shared J-10C plans with IRIAF in 2015/16. Because by your theory Indonesia can not be a partner in KF-21 before 2022 because plane "did not exist before 2022".

Why are you saying "luckily" J-10C fits in IRIAF for the right price? I would say it could have been better then other options we had before SU-35S news broke out.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Do you have serials and evidence they are operational now?

Because if you do then please post it here so that we can challenge the misinfo being spread by Wiki. Right now we only have words that mean nothing.

We have two sets of hard facts:

1) Number of helicopters in Iran in 1979.

2) Those estimates from the sources you cited.

If true these latter figures would imply that hundreds of helicopters are no longer operational. My question is why? I don't think it's a meaningless question, on the contrary.

There is no pictorial evidence with serial numbers for every single item in the Iranian military inventory (why should there be?), in other terms Iranian stockpiles by definition are larger than that for which pictures were released. In other terms yet, nobody can pretend that what Iran is effectively fielding merely boils down to those individual helicopters publicly shown or seen.

 

[drmeson]

If true these latter figures would imply that hundreds of helicopters are no longer operational. My question is why?

Guess why with my following qoute:

Out of the 61 x F-14AM, ~90 x F-5A/E/F/R, ~90 F-4R/E/F current operational fleet counted with serials and deployment is 34-41 Flyable F-14A/AM, ~60 F-5/Kowsar/Sagheh, 64 F-4E/F.

Can you guess where the rest of the fleets are ? I am not even mentioning where ~20 non operational SU-22M4 (10 operational in IRGC-AF, 14 went to Syria) or 13 Mirage F-1Q/EQ.

There is no pictorial evidence with serial numbers for every single item in the Iranian military inventory (why should there be?)

Wiki aviation pages use worldairforces as standard for citation which relies upon deployed serial numbers. Its not just limited to Iran, its same for the entire world AFs on wiki. Unless we have a better source to challenge worldairforces we can only cope.

in other terms Iranian stockpiles by definition are larger than that for which pictures exist.

I am sure they are ... but do we have evidence to challenge a western owned citation system for spreading misinformation? Unless we have that hard literary or pictorial evidence we can only cope. I am telling you from experience, I have quarreled with many wiki page owners of the Iranian military. Most are just Americans who kept asking me for evidence.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Why are you saying "luckily" J-10C fits in IRIAF for the right price? I would say it could have been better then other options we had before SU-35S news broke out.

because they wanted to hand Azadegan oil field to china for 20 year for the plane . if they wanted to use the money we have and is blocked in china i had no prolem with it . but handing one of our biggest oil field to them for 20 years , for some fighter seriously remaind me of Qajar era works.

we have around 20 bilion asset in china and intrestingly people only talk about 7billion in s. Korea and 1.5 bilion in Japan , nobody talk about 6 bilion in iraqi and we call those money in china revenue that we can use whenever we want . i say instead of giving them an oil field use 1-2 bilion of that revenue

Factbox-Countries where Iranian oil and gas revenues are blocked

Iran has been unable to obtain tens of billions of dollars of its assets in foreign banks, mainly from exports of oil and gas, due to U.S. sanctions on its banking and energy sectors.

www.reuters.com

 

[SalarHaqq]

Not exactly. Out of the 61 x F-14AM, ~90 x F-5A/E/F/R, ~90 F-4R/E/F current operational fleet counted with serials and deployment is 34-41 Flyable F-14A/AM, ~60 F-5/Kowsar/Sagheh, 64 F-4E/F.

Can you guess where the rest of the fleets are ? I am not even mentioning where ~20 non operational SU-22M4 (10 operational in IRGC-AF, 14 went to Syria) or 13 Mirage F-1Q/EQ.

Helicopters should be a tad easier to keep operational. But even when it comes to fighter jets, it doesn't mean the other 20-25 F-14 airframes are no longer flyable. They've just not been seen around by observers nor shown by authorities. Possibly they're in storage but able to be inducted if needed.

Wiki aviation pages use worldairforces as standard for citation which relies upon deployed serial numbers. Its not just limited to Iran, its same for the entire world AFs on wiki. Unless we have a better source to challenge worldairforces we can only cope.

I am sure they are ... but do we have evidence to challenge a western owned citation system for spreading misinformation? Unless we have that hard literary or pictorial evidence we can only cope. I am telling you from experience, I have quarreled with many wiki page owners of the Iranian military. Most are just Americans who kept asking me for evidence.

Well, my issue was not to prove it to those foreign sources. I just meant we ourselves shouldn't take those figures at face value, since they aren't realistic. Although neutralizing their misinformation at Wikipedia would have advantages of its own.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

because they wanted to hand Azadegan oil field to china for 20 year for the plane . if they wanted to use the money we have and is blocked in china i had no prolem with it . but handing one of our biggest oil field to them for 20 years , for some fighter seriously remaind me of Qajar era works.

we have around 20 bilion asset in china and intrestingly people only talk about 7billion in s. Korea and 1.5 bilion in Japan , nobody talk about 6 bilion in iraqi and we call those money in china revenue that we can use whenever we want . i say instead of giving them an oil field use 1-2 bilion of that revenue

Factbox-Countries where Iranian oil and gas revenues are blocked

Iran has been unable to obtain tens of billions of dollars of its assets in foreign banks, mainly from exports of oil and gas, due to U.S. sanctions on its banking and energy sectors.

www.reuters.com

Yeah, I agree with you. The previous government knew this too but wanted to negotiate by handing over an oilfield which leads me to believe their intentions were dishonourable.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571437408809353217

 

[Hack-Hook]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571437408809353217

Since when we write on rockets with hand

 

[shadihassan28]

Whatever happened to the shafaq fighter for a subsonic trainer/fighter looked like Iran was on the right path looks similar to the yak series looks wise it seemed like they were only a couple years away looked really professional from the outside

 

[Hack-Hook]

when i say they must retire the circus airplanes and use the money that will be saved on their maintenance by doing so on kowsar development , you guys say I'm traitor .
one of the su-22 crashed .

خبرگزاری فارس - وقوع سانحه برای یک فروند سوخو 22 سپاه در هرمزگان

روابط عمومی نیروی هوافضای سپاه از وقوع سانحه برای یک فروند هواپیمای سوخو ۲۲ این نیرو به دلیل نقص فنی در هرمزگان خبر داد.

www.farsnews.ir

 

[Daylamite Warrior]

when i say they must retire the circus airplanes and use the money that will be saved on their maintenance by doing so on kowsar development , you guys say I'm traitor .
one of the su-22 crashed .

خبرگزاری فارس - وقوع سانحه برای یک فروند سوخو 22 سپاه در هرمزگان

روابط عمومی نیروی هوافضای سپاه از وقوع سانحه برای یک فروند هواپیمای سوخو ۲۲ این نیرو به دلیل نقص فنی در هرمزگان خبر داد.

www.farsnews.ir

Su-22 is very old, but while were at it here are some crashes involving newer Western and Chinese jets in Iran:

F-4:

Iranian F-4 Crashes, Crew Lost - Flight Journal

Aviation History | History of Flight | Aviation History Articles, Warbirds, Bombers, Trainers, Pilots | Iranian F-4 Crashes, Crew Lost

www.flightjournal.com

Iran's Air Force Just Lost a Fighter Jet: U.S. Made F-4 Phantom Just Went Down

Here is what we know, so far.

nationalinterest.org

F-14:

Iran Fighter Jet Crashes after Engine Fails, Pilots Survive

An Iranian fighter plane crashed near the central city of Isfahan on Saturday after its engine failed, but both pilots survived, media reported. The pilots were taken to a local hospital, the official IRNA news agency said. It said there was a technical failure in the engine of the Grumman F-14...

english.aawsat.com

Report: Iran Fighter Crash Kills both Crew

An Iranian U.S.-manufactured F-14 fighter jet crashed early on Thursday minutes after takeoff killing both crew, the Fars news agency reported. "The pilot and the co-pilot of an F-14 plane that crashed this morning have been martyred," the news...

www.naharnet.com

J-7:

Two Pilots Dead As Iranian Fighter Jet Crashes During Training Mission

Two Iranian Air Force pilots were killed when their F-7 fighter jet crashed during a training mission near the city of Naeen in central Iran.

www.rferl.org

F-5

Iranian fighter jet crashes near school in Tabriz, killing three people

Two pilots, one civilian on the ground killed in accident; decades of sanctions make Iran's aging fleet hard to maintain

www.timesofisrael.com

Iran TV: 'Technical problem' on fighter jet kills 2 pilots

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — An Iranian fighter jet on Tuesday developed a “technical problem” that killed both of the aircraft's pilots, state TV reported.

apnews.com

These are aircraft that are modded and looked after by Iran, but they crash as well. So much for your western jets.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Su-22 is very old, but while were at it here are some crashes involving newer Western and Chinese jets in Iran:

F-4:

Iranian F-4 Crashes, Crew Lost - Flight Journal

Aviation History | History of Flight | Aviation History Articles, Warbirds, Bombers, Trainers, Pilots | Iranian F-4 Crashes, Crew Lost

www.flightjournal.com

Iran's Air Force Just Lost a Fighter Jet: U.S. Made F-4 Phantom Just Went Down

Here is what we know, so far.

nationalinterest.org

F-14:

Iran Fighter Jet Crashes after Engine Fails, Pilots Survive

An Iranian fighter plane crashed near the central city of Isfahan on Saturday after its engine failed, but both pilots survived, media reported. The pilots were taken to a local hospital, the official IRNA news agency said. It said there was a technical failure in the engine of the Grumman F-14...

english.aawsat.com

Report: Iran Fighter Crash Kills both Crew

An Iranian U.S.-manufactured F-14 fighter jet crashed early on Thursday minutes after takeoff killing both crew, the Fars news agency reported. "The pilot and the co-pilot of an F-14 plane that crashed this morning have been martyred," the news...

www.naharnet.com

J-7:

Two Pilots Dead As Iranian Fighter Jet Crashes During Training Mission

Two Iranian Air Force pilots were killed when their F-7 fighter jet crashed during a training mission near the city of Naeen in central Iran.

www.rferl.org

F-5

Iranian fighter jet crashes near school in Tabriz, killing three people

Two pilots, one civilian on the ground killed in accident; decades of sanctions make Iran's aging fleet hard to maintain

www.timesofisrael.com

Iran TV: 'Technical problem' on fighter jet kills 2 pilots

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — An Iranian fighter jet on Tuesday developed a “technical problem” that killed both of the aircraft's pilots, state TV reported.

apnews.com

These are aircraft that are modded and looked after by Iran, but they crash as well. So much for your western jets.

f-4 and f-14 are also old . , j-7 newer , f-5 oldest of all .the circus airplane pieces (J-7 m Su22, Mirage F1, F-5 ) must be retired and the money that will be saved must be into developing the next generation kowsar .when that become ready we can retire F-4, Mig-29 , and if its what i think it will be , hopefully even F-14 and Su-24 .
meanwhile we can replace these airplane with current generation Kowsar as light fighter and when next generation of kowsar become ready the current generation of kowsar can be phased into the role of advanced trainer for IRIAF and IRGCAF

 

[drmeson]

Whatever happened to the shafaq fighter for a subsonic trainer/fighter looked like Iran was on the right path looks similar to the yak series looks wise it seemed like they were only a couple years away looked really professional from the outside

Shafagh died with its Soviet Tajik designer.