Iraq: After the Americans

[Banglar Lathial]

Still any form of support is still a support, in a war if you can give a dollar it means something, and GCC gave millions, plus Kuwait and did allows the USA to attack Iraq, and Saudi Arabia did,

I agree, that's what I also said. But Iran also helped, it's not innocent of millions of innocent Muslims' deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, Yemen and Somalia.

You should understand that many American puppet regimes brainwash their citizens that they are fully Muslim, and they never go against Islam or Muslims. For this reason, Turks believe their gov't claims that Turkey sent troops (for a NATO cause) in Afghanistan "to help Muslims" (according to their propaganda). That's what UAE citizens (in Arabic fora) also claim, and Jordanian member would probably claim as well (because he claims Jordan shakes hands with so called Israel to help Palestine).

Similarly, Saudi Arabia did kick out Americans major bases, but minor operations (compared to 1991 operations) did take place from Saudi soil. To cover this up, Saudi regime brainwashes its citizens with the notion that Saudis kicked out all Americans, and never supported in the invasion of Iraq. Similar is the case with Pakistan, or any other American puppet gov't or military you can find. For example, Pakistanis claim they can shoot down drones, but they do not want to do it. In other excuses, they used to claim, it is not a problem if drones strike their citizens, they are killing 'terrorists' even though intelligent people like Imran Khan knows that the truth is their gov't and military are puppets of the West.

Other countries like Bangladesh or Kuwait or Morocco are not much different in essence. This is why Bangladeshi so called Prime Minister refused to let in Muslim Rohingyas to Bangladesh, and did not launch any operation to straighten out the issue in Myanmar.

 

[Syrian Lion]

man take my words I'm telling you we strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq and we still think that the US will pay the price one day.

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For his part, Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal of Saudi Arabia, a key US ally in the Gulf, warned Washington against attacking Iraq without a green light from the UN Security Council.


The 22-member Arab League at the weekend also proclaimed support for the peaceful disarmament of Iraq through continued UN weapons inspections and urged Arabs "not to provide any kind of assistance" to any potential US military campaign




Popular opposition to a war in Iraq is overwhelming in both Saudi Arabia and Turkey, as well as across the Gulf region, and was echoed on the streets of dozens of cities around the world when an estimated eight to 10 million people joined weekend anti-war marches.

Yes the people might have opposed it, but the government of GCC supported it, and Turkey supported the west in invading Iraq, battle of Karbala, and then later on when Turkey allowed the west to use it's air space.

And how will USA pay the price, while Saudi Arabia and the US are the strongest allies??

I agree, that's what I also said. But Iran also helped, it's not innocent of millions of innocent Muslims' deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, Yemen and Somalia.

You should understand that many American puppet regimes brainwash their citizens that they are fully Muslim, and they never go against Islam or Muslims. For this reason, Turks believe their gov't claims that Turkey sent troops (for a NATO cause) in Afghanistan "to help Muslims" (according to their propaganda). That's what UAE citizens (in Arabic fora) also claim, and Jordanian member would probably claim as well (because he claims Jordan shakes hands with so called Israel to help Palestine).

Similarly, Saudi Arabia did kick out Americans major bases, but minor operations (compared to 1991 operations) did take place from Saudi soil. To cover this up, Saudi regime brainwashes its citizens with the notion that Saudis kicked out all Americans, and never supported in the invasion of Iraq. Similar is the case with Pakistan, or any other American puppet gov't or military you can find. For example, Pakistanis claim they can shoot down drones, but they do not want to do it. In other excuses, they used to claim, it is not a problem if drones strike their citizens, they are killing 'terrorists' even though intelligent people like Imran Khan knows that the truth is their gov't and military are puppets of the West.

Other countries like Bangladesh or Kuwait or Morocco are not much different in essence. This is why Bangladeshi so called Prime Minister refused to let in Muslim Rohingyas to Bangladesh, and did not launch any operation to straighten out the issue in Myanmar.

That's the problem, even now they stand with Israel and the west against Syria, the west want to destroy their last opposing force, and now Qatar and Saudi Arabia sending weapons and money to terrorists , and the west provide intelligence help to those terrorists the west destroyed the ME, and the GCC fell into the western trap.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Yes the people might have opposed it, but the government of GCC supported it, and Turkey supported the west in invading Iraq, battle of Karbala, and then later on when Turkey allowed the west to use it's air space.

And how will USA pay the price, while Saudi Arabia and the US are the strongest allies??

Saudi volunteers fought USA in Iraq and elsewhere. The gov't is different, you are right.

That's the problem, even now they stand with Israel and the west against Syria, the west want to destroy their last opposing force, and now Qatar and Saudi Arabia sending weapons and money to terrorists , and the west provide intelligence help to those terrorists the west destroyed the ME, and the GCC fell into the western trap.

It is true that the West only wants to loot and destroy. My question is: What has the Assad family 'opposed' in all these decades?

Why did the Assad regime not use 10% of the force it is now using against Syrians that it calls terrorists? Why is when so called 'Israel' struck Assad regime's nuclear reactor, there was no retaliation but when ordinary people that you call terrorists, they want more rights, that Assad unleashes his military?

This is what we want to know. Why did not Assad and Iran open a new front on the Golan all this time, during all these years?

 

[Arabian Legend]

You said yourself that USA will pay for its crimes in Iraq. Don't you think Muslims should forcefully make the USA pay by attacking it in all manners? Isn't weakening its financial and economic power a good way of attacking it before going for the kill with a military strike?

the US and Russia along with many other countries are the enemies of islam and Muslims. at the meantime a huge fragment is there among muslims. we muslims cant make an action against the us and russia other than use both of them against each other. do the math yourself what would happen if we attack the US, the old enemy(russia) will come back keep in mind russia has alot of oil so entering a war is a pice of cake to them and the victims will be the rich small muslim countries . as for now Saudi arabia owns 11% of the US economy imagine if we stop oil production and get all the saudi money over there what would happens to the US economy. I didnt mention China yet. leave all this talk aside the Q is >> is this the right time to play such game.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Saudi volunteers fought USA in Iraq and elsewhere. The gov't is different, you are right.





It is true that the West only wants to loot and destroy. My question is: What has the Assad family 'opposed' in all these decades?

Why did the Assad regime not use 10% of the force it is now using against Syrians that it calls terrorists? Why is when so called 'Israel' struck Assad regime's nuclear reactor, there was no retaliation but when ordinary people that you call terrorists, they want more rights, that Assad unleashes his military?

This is what we want to know. Why did not Assad and Iran open a new front on the Golan all this time, during all these years?

Because Alasad is wise enough to not mess with the whole world. If Syria attack Israel, you know that the west and even the Arab countries will stand side by side with Israel, so it will be a war, Syria Vs. The world. Trust me Alasad was wise enough to not attack back, or Syria would have been destroyed, and honestly we Syrians know there was North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. And those terrorists are destroying the country, look at who supports them, the enemies of Syria support them, why? so they destroy the opposing force.
And Alasad helped the resistance in Lebanon and Palestine. All the missiles in Lebanon and Gaza are Syrian made, the 2006 war was won because of Syria, Saeed Nasrallah said it. start at minute 40, thats when the Syria part comes in

 

[Banglar Lathial]

the US and Russia along with many other countries are the enemies of islam and Muslims. at the meantime a huge fragment is there among muslims. we muslims cant make an action against the us and russia other than use both of them against each other. do the math yourself what would happen if we attack the US, the old enemy(russia) will come back keep in mind russia has alot of oil so entering a war is a pice of cake to them and the victims will be the rich small muslim countries . as for now Saudi arabia owns 11% of the US economy imagine if we stop oil production and get all the saudi money over there what would happens to the US economy. I didnt mention China yet. leave all this talk aside the Q is >> is this the right time to play such game.

You make many valid and interesting points. They are not directly related to the American invasion of Iraq, but they are directly related to the possible effects on USA.

1. Thank you for the frank admission that very very few Muslims today like to admit or understand. Indeed, USA and Russia are two of the biggest enemies of Muslims and Islam. USA is more powerful than Russia after the fall of Soviet Union, and so it has invaded at least two Muslim countries and killed and carried out unspeakable acts against millions of Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Russia is not powerful enough to transport troops anywhere beyond Central Asian Muslim majority countries (like Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan) that are already firmly in Russian control.

2. If we Muslims can dissolve these kingdoms and political divisions, these factions, then I think we can take severe actions against both USA and Russia, Inshallah. I agree with you that with all these divisions, no severe action is likely to be taken against them.

3. Your point about Saudi investment in USA also puzzles me. What if USA freezes all Saudi money? Can Saudi Arabia take it back or forcefully make USA pay? Does Saudi Arabia expect other Muslim countries to help when it knows very well that Muslims are divided and puppet regimes would work for USA to bring down Saudi Arabia if it takes one anti USA move?

4. The last time Saudi Arabia embargoed oil supply to the West in 1973 Arab War with so called "Israel" was during the reign of King Faisal. Later, King Faisal was murdered by CIA sponsored 'royal' and (Jewish) American foreign secretary Kissinger said some nasty things about Arabs and King Faisal then.

5. Without trust, cooperation, merger, unity and understanding of all the Muslim countries that realistically unite, it will never be the right time to play this game. You are right, this is not the right time, and it will never be the right time unless all Muslims identify the enemies like USA, Russia and so on that you have successfully identified. I congratulate you for this frank and truthful effort.

 

[Arabian Legend]

Yes the people might have opposed it, but the government of GCC supported it, and Turkey supported the west in invading Iraq, battle of Karbala, and then later on when Turkey allowed the west to use it's air space.

And how will USA pay the price, while Saudi Arabia and the US are the strongest allies??



That's the problem, even now they stand with Israel and the west against Syria, the west want to destroy their last opposing force, and now Qatar and Saudi Arabia sending weapons and money to terrorists , and the west provide intelligence help to those terrorists the west destroyed the ME, and the GCC fell into the western trap.

dont mix politics with principles. Saudi arabia has not contributed in the invasion of Iraq end of the talk ..

now as for syria you should understand that the US want to be closer to the situation in order to keep israel safe. they dont give a dam rat about you nor your people Im telling you, both of the wants weak syria in the future.now the GCC arming the FSA has religion view and political view

religion view : Assad is killing his own people and has killed many during the first quarter of the syrian revolution before the formation of the FSA. as a religion duty we Muslims around the world should arm these people to defend themselves as Assad refused to stop his crimes.

political view : kicking the last Pro-Iranian regime across the arabian region.



40 years not even a bullet coming out of Assad towards Israel and yet calling him and his thugs the last opposing force come on now !!!!!!

 

[Syrian Lion]

dont mix politics with principles. Saudi arabia has not contributed in the invasion of Iraq end of the talk ..

now as for syria you should understand that the US want to be closer to the situation in order to keep israel safe. they dont give a dam rat about you nor your people Im telling you, both of the wants weak syria in the future.now the GCC arming the FSA has religion view and political view

religion view : Assad is killing his own people and has killed many during the first quarter of the syrian revolution before the formation of the FSA. as a religion duty we Muslims around the world should arm these people to defend themselves as Assad refused to stop his crimes.

political view : kicking the last Pro-Iranian regime across the arabian region.



40 years not even a bullet coming out of Assad towards Israel and yet calling him and his thugs the last opposing force come on now !!!!!!

Are there any Muslims in Palestine? i dont think there are any Muslims, because Saudi Arabia didn't do anything about it, Gaza 2008 SA didn't say a word. however SA is following its masters in Tel Aviv and D.C.
Iran have done more toward Palestine the the GCC combined. Yes or no?
I repeat what i said:

Because Alasad is wise enough to not mess with the whole world. If Syria attack Israel, you know that the west and even the Arab countries will stand side by side with Israel, so it will be a war, Syria Vs. The world. Trust me Alasad was wise enough to not attack back, or Syria would have been destroyed, and honestly we Syrians know there was North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. And those terrorists are destroying the country, look at who supports them, the enemies of Syria support them, why? so they destroy the opposing force.
And Alasad helped the resistance in Lebanon and Palestine. All the missiles in Lebanon and Gaza are Syrian made, the 2006 war was won because of Syria, Saeed Nasrallah said it. start at minute 40, thats when the Syria part comes in

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Because Alasad is wise enough to not mess with the whole world. If Syria attack Israel, you know that the west and even the Arab countries will stand side by side with Israel, so it will be a war, Syria Vs. The world. Trust me Alasad was wise enough to not attack back, or Syria would have been destroyed, and honestly we Syrians know there was North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. And those terrorists are destroying the country, look at who supports them, the enemies of Syria support them, why? so they destroy the opposing force.
And Alasad helped the resistance in Lebanon and Palestine. All the missiles in Lebanon and Gaza are Syrian made, the 2006 war was won because of Syria, Saeed Nasrallah said it. start at minute 40, thats when the Syria part comes in

But the same argument can be made by all impostors, isn't it? Can not Jordan say the same thing? That if they don't cooperate with "Israel" then Palestinians will suffer?

1. Why did not Assad use 10% of the force on so called "Israel" that he uses on Syrians now?
2. Iran has been chanting all along that it can defeat USA, and so called "Israel" is nothing more than an insect. Iran supports Assad and so called "Hezbollah". Why didn't Iran and Assad open a front against so called "Israel"? Why did Lebanese civilians have o suffer when everybody knows that it's not Lebanon but Syria that is the major Arab military in the "Levant" region? If you (Assad and Iran) could help so called "Hezbollah" win against so called "Israel", then why could you not help Syria win back Golan and help Palestine win back its own land?

3. Did any Arab country help so called "Israel" in the invasion of Lebanon against so called "Hezbollah"? All that they did was issue statements condemning so called "Hezbollah" (because "Hezbollah" is a proxy of Iran, not USA).

 

[Syrian Lion]

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I REPEAT FOR THE THIRD TIME

Because Alasad is wise enough to not mess with the whole world. If Syria attack Israel, you know that the west and even the Arab countries will stand side by side with Israel, so it will be a war, Syria Vs. The world. Trust me Alasad was wise enough to not attack back, or Syria would have been destroyed, and honestly we Syrians know there was North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. And those terrorists are destroying the country, look at who supports them, the enemies of Syria support them, why? so they destroy the opposing force.
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[Arabian Legend]

i will get back to both of you at night i get to go now

one last thing

as for the Palestinian issue. we have helped them alot and we are still helping but they should help themselves first. both Palestine and israel enjoy some cooperation in between.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Are there any Muslims in Palestine? i dont think there are any Muslims, because Saudi Arabia didn't do anything about it, Gaza 2008 SA didn't say a word. however SA is following its masters in Tel Aviv and D.C.
Iran have done more toward Palestine the the GCC combined. Yes or no?

Saudi members claim that Saudi warning of war stopped so called "Israeli" assault on Gaza. May I know what threats came from Iran and Assad against so called "Israel" during its terror campaign called "Operation Cast Lead" against innocent Palestinians in Gaza?

One needs to ask, why did not Syrian missiles find its way to Gaza and why Assad and so called "hezbollah" did not open a front when the terrorist "IDF" was killing Palestinians in Gaza? Both Syria and Lebanon border so called IDF, but GCC does not directly border so called "Israel". Only American puppets like Mubarak's Egypt or "Hashemite King" Abdullah's Jordan border so called "Israel" amongst GCC allies.

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I REPEAT FOR THE THIRD TIME

Because Alasad is wise enough to not mess with the whole world. If Syria attack Israel, you know that the west and even the Arab countries will stand side by side with Israel, so it will be a war, Syria Vs. The world. Trust me Alasad was wise enough to not attack back, or Syria would have been destroyed, and honestly we Syrians know there was North Korean nuclear reactor in Syria. And those terrorists are destroying the country, look at who supports them, the enemies of Syria support them, why? so they destroy the opposing force.
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Let's not be overly emotional.

1. You say Syria would have been destroyed if they retaliated back then, but what is the West doing now (according to Assad)? In this case, is Assad holding back? Is he holding back his forces now? Why is he fighting with full vigour now only that his regime is threatened but not when his nuclear reactor was bombed, or Golan was occupied?

2. You have the support of Iran. Why do you think Iran+Syria+"hezbollah" will not be able to fight back so called "israel"?

3. You say that Arab (GCC) will fight Syria if Assad fights "Israel". In 2006, did GCC fight "Hezbollah"? If not, then how can you say GCC will fight Syria if Assad opens a front with Iran and "Hezbollah" against so called "Israel"?

4. In multiple decades, Assad did not spend 10% of the force on "Israel" that he spends on civilians today. What does that tell the whole world? Maybe you are afraid of Assad, not surprising given his record, but the whole world can decide for themselves what this says about Assad.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Saudi members claim that Saudi warning of war stopped so called "Israeli" assault on Gaza. May I know what threats came from Iran and Assad against so called "Israel" during its terror campaign called "Operation Cast Lead" against innocent Palestinians in Gaza?

One needs to ask, why did not Syrian missiles find its way to Gaza and why Assad and so called "hezbollah" did not open a front when the terrorist "IDF" was killing Palestinians in Gaza? Both Syria and Lebanon border so called IDF, but GCC does not directly border so called "Israel". Only American puppets like Mubarak's Egypt or "Hashemite King" Abdullah's Jordan border so called "Israel" amongst GCC allies.

did you even watch the video? he said that GAZA NOW OWNS SYRIAN MISSILES, WHICH IS WHY ISRAEL FEARS GAZA AND SYRIA. watch the video start at minute 40, again like i said, how can one country Syria start a war against Israel, the west, and gcc?? Iran and Syria can't fight the whole world.

Saudi members claim that Saudi warning of war stopped so called "Israeli" assault on Gaza. May I know what threats came from Iran and Assad against so called "Israel" during its terror campaign called "Operation Cast Lead" against innocent Palestinians in Gaza?

One needs to ask, why did not Syrian missiles find its way to Gaza and why Assad and so called "hezbollah" did not open a front when the terrorist "IDF" was killing Palestinians in Gaza? Both Syria and Lebanon border so called IDF, but GCC does not directly border so called "Israel". Only American puppets like Mubarak's Egypt or "Hashemite King" Abdullah's Jordan border so called "Israel" amongst GCC allies.




Let's not be overly emotional.

1. You say Syria would have been destroyed if they retaliated back then, but what is the West doing now (according to Assad)? In this case, is Assad holding back? Is he holding back his forces now? Why is he fighting with full vigour now only that his regime is threatened but not when his nuclear reactor was bombed, or Golan was occupied?

2. You have the support of Iran. Why do you think Iran+Syria+"hezbollah" will not be able to fight back so called "israel"?

3. You say that Arab (GCC) will fight Syria if Assad fights "Israel". In 2006, did GCC fight "Hezbollah"? If not, then how can you say GCC will fight Syria if Assad opens a front with Iran and "Hezbollah" against so called "Israel"?

4. In multiple decades, Assad did not spend 10% of the force on "Israel" that he spends on civilians today. What does that tell the whole world? Maybe you are afraid of Assad, not surprising given his record, but the whole world can decide for themselves what this says about Assad.

GCC condemned Hezbollah for fighting Israel,

Trust me, internal war is different from outside war, when there are terrorists in your country, you HAVE to fight them back, again we are defending Syria. and again about Golan, if Syria attack the whole world will stand by Israel. what don't you understand is the internal conflict where Alasad must and should defend the civilians and the country, or outside conflict with Israel, Alasad destroys Syria because the west and GCC will fight with Israel.

Leading Saudi Sheik Pronounces Fatwa Against Hezbollah - The New York Sun

and the fatwas coming from them during the war, read the article before you comment.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

GCC condemned Hezbollah for fighting Israel,

Trust me, internal war is different from outside war, when there are terrorists in your country, you HAVE to fight them back, again we are defending Syria. and again about Golan, if Syria attack the whole world will stand by Israel. what don't you understand is the internal conflict where Alasad must and should defend the civilians and the country, or outside conflict with Israel, Alasad destroys Syria because the west and GCC will fight with Israel.

Leading Saudi Sheik Pronounces Fatwa Against Hezbollah - The New York Sun

and the fatwas coming from them during the war, read the article before you comment.

You did not read my post then.

3. Did any Arab country help so called "Israel" in the invasion of Lebanon against so called "Hezbollah"? All that they did was issue statements condemning so called "Hezbollah" (because "Hezbollah" is a proxy of Iran, not USA).

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/199771-iraq-after-americans-2.html#ixzz23JYjJ8o3

Condemnation changes nothing in warfare. Did GCC fight so called "Hezbollah" in 2006? If not, how can anybody believe your claim that GCC will be fighting against Syria if Iran and Assad opened a front against so called "Israel" when Palestinians were suffering in Gaza.