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WTF you're talking about,they penetrate in command and control center and they gain full control over drones...they crash one in desert and they got all data flow..Considering what explanation I saw here from some members they don't have a clue what they talk about.This is far more worse than RQ-170 case,because Iran jam RQ-170 and land it but they succeed to decrypt data latter and they got only data stored on RQ-170..Now it is completly different case,because they didn't just jam only dron communication with satallite..instead they penetraded in to real time data flow and anyone who know anything about military knows that military use dedicated communication infrastucture,in case of US and NATO they have own dedicated satallite and ground network and completly automated system built on top of it...when it comes to US it is USCENTCOM and for NATO it is CENTCOM.There, all communication (classified and and even unclassified) data goes through US military communication infrastucture which,when it comes to security, implement something called COMSEC and it covers everything from transmission security,emission security,cryptographic implementation in every aspect and on every device and at the end physical security...Internet is nowhere even close to this,and there is no reason for it because they have own satallite and ground network..even if some devices are conected to internet these devices are not conected to system itself and even if someone want it is not posible because they have dedicated protocols and standards for all hardware.
They have account level access and modules/departments with public access or internet access are completly isolated...
COMSEC...it is in fact implementation or standard but it is commonly refered as COMSEC for US/NATO military infrastucture secure system(also for NSA and other US government org),because that is what it is in fact... USCENTCOM/CENTCOM has completly automated system/application developed for security management and it control everything from encryption,random frequency jumps,real time key updates... .Even fucking VHF radio for communication has encrypting device onboard.So,it is not just....there is nothing that goes over unsecure network when it comes to military communication..even unclassified communication goes over same infrastucture secured by COMSEC(as I said it is implementation but it is used as name for USCENTCOM/CENTCOM communication security layer).So,this is probably biggest blow when it comes to penetration because most expert belive this is posible on such scale only by manipulation on lowest level(hardware),US/NATO communication security implements real time key updates for encryption,frequency jumps and bunch of other things so it is imposible to penetrate all of that in real time..That is why this is so huge..it is one thing to decrypt data you obtain from local storage on some device or dron but to penetrate in to communication infrastucture...that is different thing,because only way to gain control and insight over data flow on such big teritory(two states) and 7-8 drones in real time is to penetrate directly in to command center...there is no way they could sync 7-8 local units in same time over two large states,once again in RQ-170 case they succeed to decrypt local stored data.......Ofcourse some people think it is same as you "move mouse on one PC and pointer move on other"..they don't know how to describe RDP and yet they are experts for military infrastucture..but it is nothing like that because USCENTCOM use own satallites for global communication and they integrate own dedicated ground network over regional hubs...and as I said all of that is secured with COMSEC implementation....

No you don't know what you are talking about because drones crash all the time from lost of signal but you have Iran trying really hard to claim to the world they can take over any drone and crash them. So why haven't they taken over drones and fire missiles at U.S. troops? Why not take over all the drones and crash all of them, denying U.S. assets in the ME? You claim all that crap but in the end its not proven.
 
No you don't know what you are talking about because drones crash all the time from lost of signal but you have Iran trying really hard to claim to the world they can take over any drone and crash them. So why haven't they taken over drones and fire missiles at U.S. troops? Why not take over all the drones and crash all of them, denying U.S. assets in the ME? You claim all that crap but in the end its not proven.
Listen kid..go home and play games..drone didn't crach,Iran landed drone and recorded video from live data flow of that same dron while doing it ,so it is not metter of opinion or interpretation except for morons that doesn't know anything about thing they are commenting...drones have two communication links..one is used from drone to satallite for navigation purpose(like onboard gps-satallite signal comminication) and second is comlink used for high bandwith data flow and drone control,also drones have local storage...but in this case Iranians recorded video while they landed drone in desert which means they had to gain control over drone and data transmitted..since we know that US airforce destroyed drone minutes after crash they could only get video by recording real time data flow between drone and control center...and they have recorder real time data flow not only from one drone but 7-8 which were no where close to each other..in fact these drones were over two large countries...again,go home and play games since you don't have knowledge for such discussion,thus even your own government didn't even try to denied claims...so I will not teach you here about these staff,you have huge resources available online..From your posts it is clear that you are younger two times than my son or you have IQ of 13 old kid
jamming GPS signal can make you capable to fool drone to crash or to even land if you can manipulate some things, but it will not give you data..only reason Iran had data in RQ-170 case is because they had access to drone and onboard storage...but now they didn't get drone and drone from which we saw primary camera(pilot camera)was destroyed minutes after crash thus they had also data from other drones that fly back in air bases.Every aspect of video that Fars news published is mounted with reason...they tell a story..but you have to know how to read it...They first show video of drone crash..from primary camera(pilot camera)..than they show that same drone was destroyed by US airforce..so how they could have this video recorded?Only way to record it is if you have access to real time data flow...and that has nothing to do with GPS signal..this goes over datalink on ground network or satallites(in case of US most likely satallites)in any case they proved penetration in to military communication not just GPS jamming capability.This is 100 times more imortant than RQ-170 case,only reason it didn't get so much attention is because there is no "super advaced" stealth drone involved but in terms of counter intelligence work..this is huge blow and it is not easy to discover why it happened...even fact that we know for this most likely means it is fixed since I don't belive anyone would reveal such capability if they have still live assets used for this operation.I remeber Ali Hajizadeh mentioned they find US mucro-controlers embeded in electronic parts supplied to Iran for military purposed,He sadi they not only find it but they also learn from it and succeed to install these same micro controlers and use it in counter intelligence operation,this doesn't ofcourse mean He ment this operation but if they have access to advanced low level hardware they could learn how to exploit it.
 
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Hezbollah has manpads, Hamas has manpads, Houthis have manpads, Iraqi militias have manpads.
But they cant use it unless they get explicit orders. We know its not easy to get and use a MANPAD from the news of aircraft downed by them- we rarely hear about them. First of all, Iran will not hand a MANPAD to a proxy army that isnt disciplined enough to know when TO use it or not.


It would be wiped out in the first days of any war with the West.
While i want agree with you generally, i think its fair to say you're assertion has some assumptions that might not occur the way you think they will. An armed helicopter that is close to opposing ground forces will be feared by them until its neutralized. Iran is a big country and Iran could keep some in hiding in the initial stages. I You actually think Iran is going to play the Saddam-Iraq game of "wait to react after you get pounded"? Thats not likely.Recent wars shows us that western countries' technology doesnt make them lose, but it has handed few military victories. THe odd that the defendant survives is actually considerably higher than the chance the western military/ coalition will win. Facts! US cant win Afghanistan, US is just proud it can keep up its occupation, like a man on viagra- just keep lasting and thats winning.

But against major powers like US or Israel they are gonna burn on the runways during the opening salvo of war.
Once again, you make assertions that assume things that we are sure will happen. How will they destroy all of Iran's helicopters? You assume those aircraft will make it through Iranian air defense,air force, intelligence and concealment in order to make successful strikes. Israel? ha ha ha ha . pls d'ont make me laugh. Israel has little war endurance against good regional militaries. Without US(or/and EU) Iran would have run over Israel already(hate to say it, but thats FACTS!). Your comments suggest you considerably under estimate the defence these countries will put up, and this is the same mistake the western powers stuck in quagmires made.[/QUOTE]
 
Israel will never attack Iran conventionaly without US and larger coalition...Why?Because it can't and if they ever do it,they will not last 7 days without using nuclear weapons....I will now explain...Israel has conventional military much weaker than Iran,it doesn't have numbers period.To reach Iran,Israel must use airforce and they have around 80-100 aircrafts capable to reach Iran...Even if they share land border with this military Israel couldn't attack Iran...and even if it does,contrary to logic and military standards when it comes to attack strategies,they would lost in 7 days or they would be forced to use nuklear weapons.Iran has huge strategic deep,Teheran and northern Iran is fucking natural fortress....and Iran has huge millitary and huge potential in terms of large and young population...even US would never invade Iran without whole Nato and even than it would be mess...So lets keep discussion on what is posible(even I'm claiming from 2003 that even this is not posible except if something big happen)air campaign....Now let assume Israel plan to lunch air.campaign... No metter which path they want to fly ..they have to use air tankers and as I said only 80-100 aircrafts are available to them in any given time.....There is no military strategy which can make this to work....even if they are magicians...They would have to leave some assets at home because they didn't want to take of from Israel and land in Palestine...but lets assume they would keep those air rafts on alert that can't go on Iran....First,if you want attack 10 or 11th(didn't check rank for while)world military power you have to make sure you completly disable their offansive capatibilities first or in same time while targeting air-defense....First problem is Iranian strategic deepness(strategic deep is something.you can't compensate)...because Iran is huge ...like whole western Europe ,it has ability to position their strategic assets like balistic missiles at such way that only way to.attack all(even.if somehow find all)in same time is to lunch simultaneously air campaign from 3-4 directions with huge number of aircrafts and when it.comes to Iran,no one on planet can do.it...because ...first,in best case only 10-20% of these assets could be identified on time ,second,you have to attack Iran from all directions and that mean go over air spaces of multie countries at least 4-5 countries..and third you need huge number of aircrafts...even some countries have on paper huge number of aircrafts...in practice,they can deploy only some of those...simple because if they withraw assets from one region it can lead to loss in that region...In Israel case they simple can't even try to disable all Iranian.offensive assets...That is why strategic deepnes is first thing to look when you compare military power....defender is always in better position by nature and if you have huge country it gives you not only natural protection and more space for positioning,it also gives you wide range of strategies you couldn't use without strategic deepness,also.makes your enemy much more vulnerable at home and also it makes attacking force much more vulnerable on the ground...As I said,defender is always in better position by default but defender air force benefit even more when used over own country than others ....first, air defense will be huge adventage for defender air force....Iran has excellent.air defense and most importantly it has huge multi layer radar network(Syria learned how is radar network important at hard way),this is something very hard to penetrate even if there is no air force and unlike in Syria....in Iran it is not option to target positions from other.country and outside air defense network....and here you can again see importance od country size,position and terrain...Along with air defense,defender air force is in much better position because many different factors,I will explain most important.
When air force operate over own country or close to own country it can benefit from ground support and ground/navy or AWACS support actually in most cases are one who actually win air battle,...maybe better term would be "one's who actually makes air win possible".For example ,if you go online and search for available recorded conversation of pilots and control in any air battle,you will,in 90% cases,learn that AWACS/Navy ship or ground control operator did most important job and actually guide Pilot to best possible position ....for example Iranian F-5 kill against MIG-25 was posible thanks to operator from control tower,F-5 radar has 40km range and no engage capabilities,while mig-25 have radar with much greater range and engagement capabilities,thus also it is almost 2x slower.Mig -25 can lock on F-5 long before F-5 even detect.MIG-25...also it can easily.escape....Even when F-5 detect Mig-25 it still has to reach much closer to use gun or aim-9....So,without ground or other way of support,it would most likely never happen that F-5 intercept.and shot down. F-5.
Many often people don't know how important ground/awacs or navy ship air control actually is...also defender air force can also conpensate aircraft range and technological disadvantage when in defansive position over own country....for example Iran has huge and very advanced EW and jamming capabilities but most of these capatibilities are not in air,so...just because air force operate over own country it can effectively use assets that can decrase or in same case totally disable certain enemy capabilities,because of defansive position and access to many air bases,pilots can take off with less weight and there is no pressure on their side when.it comes to range and load...In case Israel lunch air campaign vs Iran,not only they would have low number of aircrafts capable for that task...also literary all aircrafts would be very close to range limit even if fly in economic mode...and range of any aircraft is actually range while fly in economic mode(certain altitude,speed..etc)...in combat ...aircraft can burn fuel in very short time...because of huge distance and size of such operation...it is impossible to lunch air attack without been detected in early stage of preparation....This literary means,if just someone lock on those aircrafts they have to proceed with protocols for that situation and basicly they would have two choice...turn around and go back home or drop everything not needed and engage....first,if they chose to engage...they would be lmited in every aspect...to engage they have to drop fuel tanks and havy munitions(if loaded with A-G munitions)they would drop fuel tanks probably in last moment and that mean probably when enemy lunch missile or at certain distance.But most likely,if proceed after lock on, Iranian pilots would intentionaly fire missile from max range just to force them to drop everything,fire afterburners and try to outmanuever missile(this term in this context doesn't mean aircraft will try to use it maneuverability ,outmanuevered missile means escape from missile or radar range,go bellow or above certain atlitude to escape max angle of radar or missile.... or enter minimal range where missile is not effective.....any of those will burn fuel...than even if they survived missile ,they will probably not survive engagement with little fuel...and Iranians,if know Israel aircrafts must fly in economic mode ,would chase them for sure....So,if attack.Iran Israel air force not only would be outnumbered but they would have to operate inside limits that would cripple their combat capabilities.Most probably outcome of Israel air attack would be loss of most aircrafts sent on Iran,in practice Iran could reject that attack using only Tomcat fleet.....F-14 can track 24 aircrafts and engage 6....it can lunch 6 missiles all at once and target 6 diferent targets at more than 200km range....as I said even doesn't need to shot down.any aircraft in first wave...F-16 on other side can engage 2 targets in same time but it can't lunch two missiles in same time when it comes to Aim120 ,pilot must wait that AIM120 start using own onboard radar(terms used also are....became active...became fire and forget)...Even today F-14 performance are unmatched....with upgrades it is beast..even AIM 7 has greater range and better perfomance than same missile used on F15 and F4,confirmed.by both Iranian and US pilots...Now,I didn't check perfomance of latest F-16 blocks, but I think it same or close to performance of newer F-16 models I mentioned....only F16 model that probably has better perfomanse is model with AESA but even this model can't get close to F-14... Probably it can engage 4 or less simultaneously targets and track 10-12....J-10b can engage 2 simultaneously and track 12....I will continue with analysis latter....It is interesting to consider different possibilities but in any case,Israel will never go alone on Iran...
 
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Manpads are no joke since they can easily be used by terrorists to take down commercial jets. This is most likely what happened with Metrojet Flight 9268. Militant groups like Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas, etc only possess a small quantity & would only use them on very specific targets. Only nations possess Manpads in large quantities & only a handful of nations can produce them, Iran being one.

The biggest deterrent against countries like the USA or Israel attacking or invading Iran are 1) Iran's capacity to retaliate via its missile program & its proxies 2) Iran's air defenses & electronic warfare capabilities 3) iran's rugged & mountainous terrain coupled with Iranian military's ability to use guerilla warfare & asymmetrical warfare tactics against the enemy.

A land invasion, even by the US would be out of the question since, aside from all the other forms of resistance, the US ground troops would be endlessly ambushed with ATGM's, IED's, sniper units, fast reaction units specializing in hit & run tactics & much more

Yes Iran does have an aging helicopter fleet & an aging airforce but atleast they do a decent job maintaining & modernizing their equipment. Yes you're right, the reason why they don't put that much emphasis on helicopters & jets is because, even if Iran were to buy the best helicopters/jets from Russia or even the USA, even then, in case of an attack by a country like the US, most of these assets would most likely be destroyed within the first few days of the war.

Hezbollah has manpads, Hamas has manpads, Houthis have manpads, Iraqi militias have manpads.

Iran’s helicopter fleet is useless against anything other than Kurdish insurgents. It would be wiped out in the first days of any war with the West.

If Iran is planning to go to war with a peer military power like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia then sure helicopters could eventually be used in some capacity. But against major powers like US or Israel they are gonna burn on the runways during the opening salvo of war.

Iran knows this, hence why there is not a deep effort to upgrade the helicopter fleet. It will likely be one of the last areas of modernization. Much more pressing needs.
 
What are these pictures from ???
new military drill in Persian gulf ???
they are from IRGC its in PG and near Oman

OUTSTANDING PIX
Picture #1 is FVCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!,now if only they were flying in formation with a fighter "loyal wingman" style
pic #2 is also good,the millimetric seeker version of the sadid in flight deployed from a 5th gen ucav.
they are BEAUTIFUL and if you noticed they are using new generation of sadidd bombs.
 
رای نخستین بار تعداد ۵۰ فروند هواپیمای بدون سرنشین تهاجمی ۱۷۰ RQ ایرانی همراه با تعدادی دیگر از پهپادهای تهاجمی و رزمی شرکت کردند.

این برای اولین بار در کشور ما و نیز کشورهای دیگر است که این تعداد پهپاد همزمان در یک عملیات تهاجمی - رزمی، در فاصله بیش از هزار کیلومتر دورتر از هدف همزمان پرواز و در یک زمان مشخص با حضور روی اهداف از پیش تعیین شده آنها را با دقت بالا مورد اصابت قرار داده و منهدم کرد.


Iranian UAVs carried out operations from more than 1,000 km away

https://www.bartarinha.ir/fa/news/842182/رزمایش-پهپادی-الی-بیت-المقدس-۱-برگزار-شد
 
I want to say that these are not MMW seeker Sadids. My analysis was too optimistic, the bomb is too compact to allow for a MMW seeker. These are GPS guided variants, in the best case with an active updating system for moving targets via data-link.
 

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