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[VEVAK]

Based on recent US strikes, they wouldn’t use PGM but an onslaught of cruise missiles which would attack the weakest point of the shelter (doors and sides) rather than the strongest point (the top hardened layer).

One just needs to look at CM strikes against Syria’s airbases to see.

Not sure how well a aircraft shelter would do against multiple low flying cruise missiles attacking the same bunker, but it is certainly better than being out in the open.

Most modern countries use different warheads based on each mission and targets parameters whether its cruise missile or PGM it matters not.

And there is a big difference from being forced to use well over 500 cruise missiles just to take out 480 Iranian Helo's because Iran took the proper measures as appose to 2-4 cluster munitions getting through your defenses at each of your bases and taking out a large portion of your Helo's because you didn't and it could be cruise missiles armed with cluster warheads or regular cluster bombs fired from a Jet or UCAV....

Especially for a country like Iran protecting the Air assets we have using simple low cost methods should have been top priority.

 

[TheImmortal]

Most modern countries use different warheads based on each mission and targets parameters whether its cruise missile or PGM it matters not.

And there is a big difference from being forced to use well over 500 cruise missiles just to take out 480 Iranian Helo's because Iran took the proper measures as appose to 2-4 cluster munitions getting through your defenses at each of your bases and taking out a large portion of your Helo's because you didn't and it could be cruise missiles armed with cluster warheads or regular cluster bombs fired from a Jet or UCAV....

Especially for a country like Iran protecting the Air assets we have using simple low cost methods should have been top priority.

Happens in all countries during peacetime.

Just recently in the US a hurricane knocked 1/3 of the F-22 fleet out of commission. Many F-22’s were simply tied down out in the open. The flyable ones were put in aluminum hangers that were torn apart by the hurricane.

So again, boneheaded moves are apparent in all militaries.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Just because you found two of them outside that doesn’t mean all of them are outside or all of them are in silos.

for gods sake what you see in those picture is not a bunker or shelter , those useless structure find in any industry complex around the world , they can even penetrated by AK-47
look at Zagross industrial city , It's what you see there and is the same you see in those bases

Iran is the 4th largest cement producer in the world and we are still storing valuable military equipment out in the open like that!

let forget about cement , we produce one of the strongest concrete in the world
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/iranian-concrete
https://www.wired.com/2007/04/irans-superconc/

 

[Oldman1]

Based on recent US strikes, they wouldn’t use PGM but an onslaught of cruise missiles which would attack the weakest point of the shelter (doors and sides) rather than the strongest point (the top hardened layer).

One just needs to look at CM strikes against Syria’s airbases to see.

Not sure how well a aircraft shelter would do against multiple low flying cruise missiles attacking the same bunker, but it is certainly better than being out in the open.

PGMs can pen even the top part as well same for cruise missiles. Even during the first Gulf War, they shown they can pen it easily. For example this is a pic from a Syrian base.

Pic of a PGM penetrating a hardened hangar similar in design.

Video

And if the first one fails to pen, they can send in another one behind it or different parts of the target. Look at the multiple holes in the ceiling. That tells you something.

Even our Helo's need to be bunkered regardless of location

Look at this
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Iran is the 4th largest cement producer in the world and we are still storing valuable military equipment out in the open like that!

and they can easily build relatively low cost easy to build shelters or bunkers for them especially for the twin propellered hello's that wouldn't require wide shelters...

But like this all it would take is for two modern cluster bombs to get though at each of the top 4 helo bases and a large portion of our Helo Force is gone!
If they had simply budgeted themselves to build just 2 conjoined shelters a month over the past 20 years today most of our fleet (480 Helo Shelters) would have been protected to a point where taking out each Helo would have required at least a 250lb PGM which would of required a larger more detectable fleet to come at them....

One can only hope the IRGC doesn't make the same mistake and we don't look back 20years from now and wished we had taken small steps back then

Probably because of cost. Have to build that many for that many helos. And it would only because effect against mortars or insurgent attacks or near miss munitions. Not direct hits.

 

[Hack-Hook]

PGMs can pen even the top part as well same for cruise missiles. Even during the first Gulf War, they shown they can pen it easily. For example this is a pic from a Syrian base.

Pic of a PGM penetrating a hardened hangar similar in design.

Video

And if the first one fails to pen, they can send in another one behind it or different parts of the target. Look at the multiple holes in the ceiling. That tells you something.

Probably because of cost. Have to build that many for that many helos. And it would only because effect against mortars or insurgent attacks or near miss munitions. Not direct hits.

if there is no bunker then the enemy needs only one or two bomb for all , if there is bunkers they need at least one or two bomb for each bunker, and the Syrian silo is one hit , multiple penetration is shrapnel effect against these.
galvanized sheet they used for roof

I have seen the effect when in the beginning of the war a mortar hit our home

 

[Oldman1]

if there is no bunker then the enemy needs only one or two bomb for all , if there is bunkers they need at least one or two bomb for each bunker, and the Syrian silo is one hit , multiple penetration is shrapnel effect against these.
galvanized sheet they used for roof

I have seen the effect when in the beginning of the war a mortar hit our home

How much you think would cost to build such bunkers? How much do you need to prevent weapons that are designed against standard bunkers or hardened versions of the hangar?

The Syria silo or building was multiple hits. Not one weapon.

Of course there are videos showing them doing like a grid pattern when they hit the target. Either a large target where they spread the hits or a hardened target that needs to be penned twice in the same hit.

 

[VEVAK]

PGMs can pen even the top part as well same for cruise missiles. Even during the first Gulf War, they shown they can pen it easily. For example this is a pic from a Syrian base.

Pic of a PGM penetrating a hardened hangar similar in design.

Video

And if the first one fails to pen, they can send in another one behind it or different parts of the target. Look at the multiple holes in the ceiling. That tells you something.

Probably because of cost. Have to build that many for that many helos. And it would only because effect against mortars or insurgent attacks or near miss munitions. Not direct hits.

Main thing they would need to protect against is cluster warheads for that would be the biggest threat to them if housed like that. You simply can't afford to lose a large portion of your Helo Force simply because a handful of Missiles or bombs armed with cluster munitions got through your Air Defenses....

Iran has a large Helo Force
Isfahan

Isfahan

Kerman

Kermanshah

And the vast majority of Iranian Helo Bases have 24 or less..... like the ones below
Mashhad

Iran built the Shelters below (Shahid Asyayi Airport) over a decade ago and that's in Khozestan a boarder province....

As long as your shelters can protect against anything smaller than ~100lb high yield explosives that would be fine and it wouldn't require large amounts of funding especially if done over time

 

[Oldman1]

Main thing they would need to protect against is cluster warheads for that would be the biggest threat to them if housed like that. You simply can't afford to lose a large portion of your Helo Force simply because a handful of Missiles or bombs armed with cluster munitions got through your Air Defenses....

Iran has a large Helo Force
Isfahan
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Isfahan
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Kerman
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Kermanshah
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And the vast majority of Iranian Helo Bases have 24 or less..... like the ones below
Mashhad
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Iran built the Shelters below (Shahid Asyayi Airport) over a decade ago and that's in Khozestan a boarder province....
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As long as your shelters can protect against anything smaller than ~100lb high yield explosives that would be fine and it wouldn't require large amounts of funding especially if done over time

Yes don't want to make it too easily for the aircraft to be destroyed. But just remember that your government may have a good reason why not to build hundreds of bunkers for the helos.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes don't want to make it too easily for the aircraft to be destroyed. But just remember that your government may have a good reason why not to build hundreds of bunkers for the helos.

I don't knew what good reason it can be except trying not to spend the money there .

 

[VEVAK]

Yes don't want to make it too easily for the aircraft to be destroyed. But just remember that your government may have a good reason why not to build hundreds of bunkers for the helos.

I don't knew what good reason it can be except trying not to spend the money there .

There is really no good reason for it! Or else they wouldn't build shelters for the Helo's in Shahid Asyyasi Airport
The time it takes to pull a Helo out of a shelter is not that significant if you plan for quick deployment during the construction of the shelters and build the shelters accordingly.

And I don't blame the Iranian government for it, Yea if an Iranian Army Aviation general was to go to the MOD and request they build them bunkers more likely than not they'll say no but if they go and tell them that they are building bunkers and they'll need the government to provide these materials on a monthly bases and assistance from Army engineers a few day's out of a month & that Army Aviation will be paying for the general labor and a few construction tools and equipment out of it's own budget if necessary…. no one will say NO to them and they can have their own personal assist in the construction as helpers as a form of punishment or even exercise.... ​

 

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[Stryker1982]

Reports: IRGC seizes US MQ-9 Drone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1065350525644926976

MQ-9 can carry alot of ordinance, much more than the Shahed drone. Hopefully they can make use of this example.

 

[Draco.IMF]

Reports: IRGC seizes US MQ-9 Drone.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1065350525644926976

MQ-9 can carry alot of ordinance, much more than the Shahed drone. Hopefully they can make use of this example.

Question is, in which condition.

If im not wrong I think I saw some pictures of it on twitter few days ago, it was in quite bad condition, but lets wait

I hope Iran will someday catch the beast RQ-4 Global Hawk

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1065366795949957120

is it true that all of iran's shahed 129's in syria were destroyed?