Thank you for at least admitting that there are some!
Self defense at the loss of killing innocence is not justifiable!
I am not sure how many Pakistanis that would be...All the ones I have talked to are either Shia or Ahmedi! We have very few Sunni Pakistanis or even SUNNI who actually give a damn....and this is the real proportion of whole of Pakistan
2ndly, I hold anyone killing responsible for death....it is logical.
I hold ANYONE causing mischief or even funding responsible at the same level!
In today's world you dont have to hold a gun to kill, most just pay!
In Pakistan it always has!
I remember sometime in 1997 or something...it was my late uncle's (he is dead now) wedding ....the lights went off and suddenly there was shooting...we thought it was fireworks for the wedding...The next morning we found out 1 of the masjids (it had a madrassah too) in the neighbourhood was attacked....children were killed...and it was a Sunni masjid, in fact one my little cousins went to for Friday prayer....and guess what, not a word on any news channel...No one even knew of that incident...And I dont live in a village mind you! It is a good thing we all were celebrating and it was late night and no one had reason to go to the masjid...sadly, some of the neighbourhood kids were in the madrassah and were killed...
1 day you are having a wedding next day is a mass funeral...THAT is Pakistan! THAT is what people have turned Pakistan into ...So please dont tell me dont blame anyone or choose a side! I cant...coz in the news we hear even if 5 Shia died...But my ears still ring of the firing we mistook for fireworks....The firing where children died while we were partying....
Terrorists dont have a religion....if they do they wont be promoting their religion with bad stuff...THAT much brains they should have if they crashed and brought WTO to rumbles!
I am sorry to hear that, may the deceased rest in peace. Was it revealed later who were the perpetrators in that masjid attack? Are you saying they were Shia because it was a Sunni mosque?
I condemn killing of any civilian, be it Sunni or Shia, but you see, as
@Atanz said, Shias are receiving much more than they are giving. You see for a group like TTP, it doesn't matter if you are Sunni or Shia, they will kill you if you oppose them. LeJ has mostly targeted the Shias and that's actually the reason of creation of Shia militant groups in Pakistan (which barely exist today). Yes they may be responsible for civilian casualties too, I never denied that, but please, you should understand who started it all at first. What led to rise of sectarian fights in Pakistan? Who killed the most numbers of civilians, who is the main culprit? You know better than me that they are nowhere near equal, even though, loss of even one innocent life is a huge crime based on Quran.
Believe me it has got to do with stable relations with Iran, more than anything else.
Lets not bring this into a sectarian argument as I don't give a damn about Shias, Sunnis, Wahabis, Qadanis whatsoever, the more you try to interact with them the more you will be dragged down, I know what TTP and the lot has done, and you know it too and we both agree it's bad for everyone. However you seem to give the impression of denial that Iran too is guilty, however lets not just talk about civilians but also innocent people:
1) 2012 attacks on Israeli diplomats. (the list is in a random pattern).
- The blowing up of a van filled with explosives in front of the U.S. embassy in Beirut killing 58 Americans and Lebanese in 1984
- Hijacking of TWA flight 847
- 19883 Kuwait bombings
- Flight 901 Attack.
There are many more but it's late and I'm drowsy.
First of all, Iran's role is not proved in any of them and that list is ridiculous.
Secondly, I'll ask you a question and it will be revealed whether you are a hypocrite or not, since you claim that you care about civilian lives. Does it matter if a civilian life is lost in a terrorist attack or in a war? Well guess what? in 1980, Saddam Hussein attacked Iran, used all kinds of war crimes including massive use of chemical weapons, with support of almost all Arab countries except Syria and Libya, and also with support of Europe, USSR and US. It led to death of tens of Iranians, including thousands of civilians. It was one of the biggest civilian casualties in ME after beginning of 20th century. But for people like you, those lives don't matter, because they weren't killed in 'terror' attacks.
Now let's assume all of those attacks in your list are Iran's job (which they are not proved), what's the total number of civilian casualties in those attacks? Now compare it to number of Iranian civilians killed by Iraq and regional countries and west, doesn't it mean that they are the biggest terrorists? Or only civilians that are killed in suicide bombings count?
I think we better not go in past decades, because, I too can bring up matter of nasty game that Pakistan played along with Saudi Arabia in Afghanistan in 90s, which led to death of thousands of civilians, doesn't it also come under the terrorism category? Let me assure you, no country is innocent, so stop playing innocent please.
My whole point in this thread was about the current situation, not years ago, and on bogus claims about non-existent Iranian groups in Baluchistan which is the most stupid thing to say, because Iran itself is complaining to Pakistan about cross border attacks, but it wants to cause unrest on the other side of the border, which would directly hurt Iran itself first and foremost.
