Iranian Space program

[sha ah]

Rohani gutted the space budget to please the west which explains the lack of progress.

At the same time look at how many failures Space X had or North Korea, how many times they utterly failed before succeeding ?

Many nations pay foreign countries to put their satellites in space. Any country can do that with enough capital and put their stamp on it. However only a handful of nations are self sufficient in this regard.

Now that the space industry has the necessary budget it will still take time to rebuild but the important thing for Iran to keep conducting tests, keep striving until they succeed.

ISA is no doubt a world class space agency which has never failed a launch in history. All Safir and Simorgh launches are successful and all reports of failure are western propaganda!

The below picture of safir failing before launch must be fake! It must be because ISA is perfect!

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[yugocrosrb95]

Rohani gutted the space budget to please the west which explains the lack of progress.

At the same time look at how many failures Space X had or North Korea, how many times they utterly failed before succeeding ?

Many nations pay foreign countries to put their satellites in space. Any country can do that with enough capital and put their stamp on it. However only a handful of nations are self sufficient in this regard.

Now that the space industry has the necessary budget it will still take time to rebuild but the important thing for Iran to keep conducting tests, keep striving until they succeed.

Keep crying about Rouhani to demonstrate being detached from reality...

There weren't any space launches in 2013 and 2014 under Rouhani then from 2015 onward there was at least 1 launch per year.

North Korea only did 1 test launch of Paektusan and 1 attempt at orbit in 1998 then moved on to Unha series from which Simorgh is based on, Safir is based on Paektusan.

Priority for North Korea were liquid fuel rockets while for Iran those are solid fuel hence North Korea had more success with Unha than Iran with Simorgh.

 

[sha ah]

North Korea has had atleast 8 failures since the early 2000s. The Unha series, half of their tests failed. The Pukguksong series, something like 1/3rd to half of their tests failed. For a long time North Koreas missile program was considered a laughing stock in the west, but they kept trying until finally they succeeded.

Space X recently experienced 4 failures in a row, but they are undeterred and will keep striving. They are only where they are today because of unrelenting determination.

Usually when it comes to rocket tests, the success rate increases with increased launch numbers.

Today Iran is one of eleven nations that has successfully put a satellite into space. Most nations never will, including Croatia. Paying France or the US to do it for you doesn't count. Sorry.

Keep crying about Rouhani to demonstrate being detached from reality...

There weren't any space launches in 2013 and 2014 under Rouhani then from 2015 onward there was at least 1 launch per year.

North Korea only did 1 test launch of Paektusan and 1 attempt at orbit in 1998 then moved on to Unha series from which Simorgh is based on, Safir is based on Paektusan.

Priority for North Korea were liquid fuel rockets while for Iran those are solid fuel hence North Korea had more success with Unha than Iran with Simorgh.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Croatia is a nation of only 4 million people hence 1/21th or 1/22th of Iran and 1/5th of North Korea.

I am just happy with that 100 thousand rifles were exported to Iraq.

 

[Shawnee]

Jeffrey Lewis exactly sees what we see as if he is in Khamenei’s shoes. Similar thing for Peter Pry. One Democrat and other Republican.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476935318553169938

https://twitter.com/x/status/1476935304816824326

 

[thetutle]

Kim Jong Un giving a rocket designer a piggy back ride says all you need to know about the value of having an ICBM. It's a remarkable picture.

Marcia waking away form these deals does not mean that they think sanctions and covert actions will stop the missile or nuke development, rater, they are buying time and anything can happen once you buy time. Governments fall, revolutions happen etc.

The whole project has cost 15% of the normal international costs per interview.

There is at least another parallel IRGC project that has reached anti-satellite capabilities. Only 4-5 countries own this.

No they are not desperate to just launch something. Otherwise they could add kick motor stages.

The Iranian project that has cost 15% of the normal cost, has arguably provided Iran with 15% of the normal capabilities.

Kick motor stages? If it would give Iran a satellite launch capability, Nam sure they would add it. But it wont.

Iran is working hard at space launch rocket but it is far form that goal. and the only way to achieve it is trial and error, or stealing the technology. With enough determination it will get there, unless it is destroyed or bankrupted first by the US.

And IRGC does not have anti satellite capabilities. You need to be able to launch a satellite first before a rocket can shoot a satellite down I would think. You need to reach escape velocity before you can shoot an object travelling at escape velocity.

 

[SalarHaqq]

How long can you people be this disingenuous or ignorant?

Rouhani's government disolved in August and this is December.

You want to believe that this is due to current government and not project that started during previous government.

Four months should well be enough to prepare and perform a space launch with an already tested SLV. There's no evidence that the previous administration had much to do with the latest launch.

 

[Shawnee]

Kim Jong Un giving a rocket designer a piggy back ride says all you need to know about the value of having an ICBM. It's a remarkable picture.

Marcia waking away form these deals does not mean that they think sanctions and covert actions will stop the missile or nuke development, rater, they are buying time and anything can happen once you buy time. Governments fall, revolutions happen etc.



The Iranian project that has cost 15% of the normal cost, has arguably provided Iran with 15% of the normal capabilities.

Kick motor stages? If it would give Iran a satellite launch capability, Nam sure they would add it. But it wont.

Iran is working hard at space launch rocket but it is far form that goal. and the only way to achieve it is trial and error, or stealing the technology. With enough determination it will get there, unless it is destroyed or bankrupted first by the US.

And IRGC does not have anti satellite capabilities. You need to be able to launch a satellite first before a rocket can shoot a satellite down I would think. You need to reach escape velocity before you can shoot an object travelling at escape velocity.

IRGC placed 900 kg in the orbit. 5 kg of that was a small satellite Nour which was a cover up.

The rest included Salman motor which is an anti- satellite weapon. This was achieved in Less time than US and China and India.

Don’t take my word for it. Tal Inbar, Jeffery Lewis, Brugge, McKenzie and Peter Pry say that.

Peter Pry says that the 5 kg Nour satellite is a cover for heavy Salman motor.

Brugge says that Salman motor is 900 kg.

McKenzie says that the Iranian missiles are “over-match”. Look up over-match.

 

[thetutle]

IRGC placed 900 kg in the orbit. 5 kg of that was a small satellite Nour which was a cover up.

The rest included Salman motor which is an anti- satellite weapon. This was achieved in Less time than US and China and India.

Don’t take my word for it. Tal Inbar, Jeffery Lewis, Brugge, McKenzie and Peter Pry say that.

Peter Pry says that the 5 kg Nour satellite is a cover for heavy Salman motor.

Brugge says that Salman motor is 900 kg.

McKenzie says that the Iranian missile are “over-match”. Look up over-match.

It does appear that they did indeed launch a satellite into orbit. A tremendous achievement. Its obviously not enough. and they are woking on a better larger rocket.

the Salman motor, which may be 900 kg is a motor. And not a very useful satellite. It would not be that unusual to be able to put only 5Kg of payload into space. This is achievement enough.

 

[K210]

Rohani gutted the space budget to please the west which explains the lack of progress.

At the same time look at how many failures Space X had or North Korea, how many times they utterly failed before succeeding ?

Many nations pay foreign countries to put their satellites in space. Any country can do that with enough capital and put their stamp on it. However only a handful of nations are self sufficient in this regard.

Now that the space industry has the necessary budget it will still take time to rebuild but the important thing for Iran to keep conducting tests, keep striving until they succeed.

You can blame Rouhani and his moderates all you want but the fact is under his government there was at least some progress on irans space program. It is not as though space program was frozen for 8 years.

Iranian space program under Rouhani admin:

- Successful launch of Fajr in February 2015
- Successful sub-orbital test of Simorgh in April 2016
- First test launch of solid fuel Zuljanah SLV in February 2021
- Development of new lightweight solid motors like "Salman"
- Qased mobile SLV
- Multiple test launches of Simorgh SLV

Spacex Falcon-1 only failed 3 times before it succeeded on its 4th launch and north korea also failed 3 times before its Unha-3 succeeded for the first time in December 2012. Both these SLV's had less failure than Simorgh which is now on its fourth consecutive launch failure.

 

[K210]

North Korea has had atleast 8 failures since the early 2000s. The Unha series, half of their tests failed. The Pukguksong series, something like 1/3rd to half of their tests failed. For a long time North Koreas missile program was considered a laughing stock in the west, but they kept trying until finally they succeeded.

The Unha only had 4 launches of which 2 were successful and 2 were not, im not sure what 8 failures you are referring to. The pukguksong series of missiles has not had a failure since 2015 and since then not a single pukguksong series missile has failed. I wont deny that North Korea's space/missile program was seen as a joke in the west for a very long time but that is no longer the case.

 

[thetutle]

It appears that the Iranian rocket which took the 5kg payload into space was the Qased Rocket. This seems like a fusion of Ghadr 110 as first stage and some undefined rocket that uses the Salman engine.

Its launched from the back of a truck so the 5kg payload does not sound unusual.

What Iran Needs to do is combine 4 to 6 Ghadr 110 rockets as a first stare and 2 rockets with 2 Salman engines up on top and you will have a space launcher that can take a decent payload up.

If you ever build this, it will be enormous and the size of a Saturn rocket because it will need large amounts of fuel. But combining 8 rockets into one and not having it blow apart is a very hard task.

 

[TheImmortal]

You can blame Rouhani and his moderates all you want but the fact is under his government there was at least some progress on irans space program. It is not as though space program was frozen for 8 years.

Iranian space program under Rouhani admin:

- Successful launch of Fajr in February 2015
- Successful sub-orbital test of Simorgh in April 2016
- First test launch of solid fuel Zuljanah SLV in February 2021
- Development of new lightweight solid motors like "Salman"
- Qased mobile SLV
- Multiple test launches of Simorgh SLV

Spacex Falcon-1 only failed 3 times before it succeeded on its 4th launch and north korea also failed 3 times before its Unha-3 succeeded for the first time in December 2012. Both these SLV's had less failure than Simorgh which is now on its fourth consecutive launch failure.

Literally half of the accomplishments you just listed are IRGC space program, which Rouhani had no say or control over

But I get your point. Moderate faction prioritized sanctions lifting and reintegration with world economy at the expense of fringe tech like space development (when inflation is running rampant and people can’t afford meat).

Wether I agree or not is besides the point, that’s what Rouhani and co platform was. In the end it backfired, mostly because the West once again screwed over Iran and provided conservative factions the “I told you so” moment.

 

[thetutle]

Iran is about where USA was with its rocket development in 1957. Only Iran does not have German scientists woking for them like America did.

Without German scientists its doubtful America would have made it to the moon in 1969. Indeed it might have been 1985.

And were it not for the captured V2 Rockets in 1945 and German scientists working in America with a gun to their head, its doubtful if America or USSR would have been space powers at all before the 1980's.

 

[sha ah]

This is from Wikipedia

So counting the Soviet Union and Russia as one and the same that would only leave 12. Then considering the few nations that could not be able to launch a satellite without significant external assistance, there are only really around 10 nations in the game.

Iran is about where USA was with its rocket development in 1957. Only Iran does not have German scientists woking for them like America did.

Without German scientists its doubtful America would have made it to the moon in 1969. Indeed it might have been 1985.

And were it not for the captured V2 Rockets in 1945 and German scientists working in America with a gun to their head, its doubtful if America or USSR would have been space powers at all before the 1980's.