Iranian Space program
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I don't know what kind of propellant Uzi Rubin assumed for Sourush SLVs but I think his estimate is not accurate, because Iran said that Souroush-2 will use cryogenic engine and will be able to put 2,5tons of payload to GEO----SLVs with this payload weight around 300-500tons---not 1300tons estimated by Uzi Rubin
Same applies to Souroush-1---since it will be able to put 1tons payload into GSO, hardly it will weight 700tons---probably much less
I guess Uzi Rubin assumed in his analysis that Souroush-1 and Souroush-2 will be solid propellant SLVs which is NOT true
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"amazingly advanced space stuff, very sophisticated, cutting edge missile/space launch technology"...
wow, just wow, I wonder where they got the technology from
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They got the technology from a place called "Iranian Brain"...
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Lots of unknowns. Wouldn’t trust what Iran says about Soroush as they said it won’t fly till 2029 which in Iranian talk means 2035+.
So no point talking about a SLV that is likely a decade (if not more) away from fruition. Especially if Iran negotiates away SLV (ICBM) development in the future to the West.
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If the wrong kind of government wins in the summer or the current garbage admin has it way, that very thing could happen. I just recently learned what kind of a filthy filthy pimp khatami was concerning Iranian territory, so nothing surprises me when it comes to this government of prostitute insects that are rohani and her minions.
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Well, there was already a lengthy thread, where Turkey's manned space was predicted by Galactic Penguin SST:
SAFIR-6 Space Launch Vehicle
Meanwhile as for the theory of General Relativity, and subsequent “Dark Matter” et al., epistemology that studies the history of science shows that over the last 2 millennia, the European civilization has mostly developed wrong models to explain the world they perceived!
• The philosopher's stone, more properly philosophers' stone or stone of the philosophers is a mythical alchemical substance capable of turning base metals such as mercury into gold (chrysopoeia, from the Greek χρυσός khrusos, "gold", and ποιεῖν poiēin, "to make") or silver. It is also called the elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and for achieving immortality; for many centuries, it was the most sought goal in alchemy.
• The celestial spheres, or celestial orbs, were the fundamental entities of the cosmological models developed by Plato, Eudoxus, Aristotle, Ptolemy, Copernicus, and others. In these celestial models, the apparent motions of the fixed stars and planets are accounted for by treating them as embedded in rotating spheres made of an aetherial, transparent fifth element (quintessence), like jewels set in orbs. Since it was believed that the fixed stars did not change their positions relative to one another, it was argued that they must be on the surface of a single starry sphere.
• The phlogiston theory is a superseded scientific theory that postulated the existence of a fire-like element called phlogiston contained within combustible bodies and released during combustion. The name comes from the Ancient Greek φλογιστόν phlogistón (burning up), from φλόξ phlóx (flame). The idea was first proposed in 1667 by Johann Joachim Becher and later put together more formally by Georg Ernst Stahl. Phlogiston theory attempted to explain chemical processes of weight increase such as combustion and rusting, now collectively known as oxidation, and was abandoned before the end of the 18th century following experiments by Antoine Lavoisier and others. Phlogiston theory led to experiments which ultimately concluded with the discovery of oxygen.
• According to ancient and medieval science, aether, also spelled æther, aither, or ether and also called quintessence (fifth element), is the material that fills the region of the universe above the terrestrial sphere.[1] The concept of aether was used in several theories to explain several natural phenomena, such as the traveling of light and gravity. In the late 19th century, physicists postulated that aether permeated all throughout space, providing a medium through which light could travel in a vacuum, but evidence for the presence of such a medium was not found in the Michelson–Morley experiment, and this result has been interpreted as meaning that no such luminiferous aether exists.
• General Relativity, also known as the general theory of relativity, is the geometric theory of gravitation published by Albert Einstein in 1915 and is the current description of gravitation in modern physics.
• etc..
Therefore no surprise, as the supraluminal datalink established by the Chinese Quantum Satellite has already totally discredited Einstein's century old fallacy.
No trace either of the graviton, nor the dark matter, dark energy et al.
But, behold the Siamese SPACESHIP!
https://archive.vn/GGnLN/fe1d0e7290d89c7a4129057070cc59c80791770c.jpg ; http://web.archive.org/web/20210302102008/https://i.imgur.com/WRZwsex.jpg
▲ 1. CGI rendering of Spaceship.
https://archive.vn/15xcb/210f2355242ffc4ce97fb8870111c9b19716aa19.jpg ; https://archive.vn/15xcb/3bd39178dbd3f41fe8fe814a3fcf1cc9ae248648/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20210302104318/https://i.imgur.com/JxkJviu.jpg
▲ 2. Competitors of the 4th Space Race, as of March 2021.
Harsh competition ahead!
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So yes as we stand here today the modern physics has a fundamental challenge ahead and as few of the members have argued about here, this is where it is:
1- Is General Relativity (GR) and all the mathematics behind that has so far been very correct about the 5% visible universe is indeed flawed..and if so why our current Math and physics can not explain these inconsistencies and the 95% non visible universe. I will not be surprised if it turns out our math only valid for the 5%..same as Speed light ..only valid for our 5%..Theory of inflation says beyond our universe speed of light is not limited and there are much faster events (inflation)
2- If GR is correct and our math is correct then what is "dark matter and dark energy)..how did universe after big bang grow so much faster than the speed of light..how is that possible.
next decade all the brains of the world will try to answer which one of the above is true...I am just a flunky with eyes wide open to see which one..lol
1- Is General Relativity (GR) and all the mathematics behind that has so far been very correct about the 5% visible universe is indeed flawed..and if so why our current Math and physics can not explain these inconsistencies and the 95% non visible universe. I will not be surprised if it turns out our math only valid for the 5%..same as Speed light ..only valid for our 5%..Theory of inflation says beyond our universe speed of light is not limited and there are much faster events (inflation)
2- If GR is correct and our math is correct then what is "dark matter and dark energy)..how did universe after big bang grow so much faster than the speed of light..how is that possible.
next decade all the brains of the world will try to answer which one of the above is true...I am just a flunky with eyes wide open to see which one..lol
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This again shows the abysmal level of ignorance and complete misunderstanding of historical facts by some Iranian posters (unless it is bad faith), that can't simply correctly grasp the reality of the world we live in, and the complacency for blatant lies of the other ones (corrupter of everything) who know the truth, therefore forfeiting in both cases the future of this nation.
Pakistani readers don't let them fool you, and please take note!
The worst space catastrophe was indeed the Soviet Nedelin Disaster.
The Nedelin Disaster
A rush job ended with nearly 100 lives lost when a fully-fueled rocket ignited on the launchpad during testing.
October 22, 2010
There's some justice in the fact that the worst rocket accident in history, which happened 50 years ago this week, is remembered by the name of the man who caused it.
Marshal Mitrofan Nedelin was an ambitious military leader who rose to command the Soviet Union's Strategic Missile Forces during the Cold War. In the autumn of 1960, his main focus was developing the new R-16 intercontinental ballistic missile, which was meant to be an answer to the American Atlas. According to Soviet rocket designer Boris Chertok in his landmark history Rockets and People, work on the R-16 was proceeding ahead of schedule, with a target date of July 1961 for the first launch, when Nedelin upped the ante: He would launch by November 7, in time for the 43rd anniversary of the Soviet revolution.
Nedelin's desire for glory cost him his life, and the lives of nearly 100 others. Rushing the schedule led exhausted workers to take all kinds of short cuts and risks, including continuing to work on the missile after it was fully fueled on the launch pad at Baikonur, with some 250 people milling around within close range.
On the evening of October 24, a cascading series of errors, including a mistaken switch setting, led to a rocketeer's worst nightmare: the R-16's second stage fired on the pad, still attached to the first stage underneath it, which immediately exploded.
Chertok describes the scene:
There was an investigation, but no witch-hunt or official blame. Soviet authorities decided that being on the scene of the accident was punishment enough for the engineers and technicians who survived. Families of the victims were told to keep quiet, and the first detailed accounts of the accident were not published until the late 1980s.
As for Marshal Nedelin, he was near the base of the missile at the time of the explosion, and perished in the blast. Writes Chertok: "The majority of the dead were unrecognizable. ... Nedelin was identified by the 'Gold Star' medal that had survived."
A new documentary on the Nedelin disaster will air on Russian TV this weekend:
https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/the-nedelin-disaster-146124579/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqT90VmYgEU
A rush job ended with nearly 100 lives lost when a fully-fueled rocket ignited on the launchpad during testing.
October 22, 2010
There's some justice in the fact that the worst rocket accident in history, which happened 50 years ago this week, is remembered by the name of the man who caused it.
Marshal Mitrofan Nedelin was an ambitious military leader who rose to command the Soviet Union's Strategic Missile Forces during the Cold War. In the autumn of 1960, his main focus was developing the new R-16 intercontinental ballistic missile, which was meant to be an answer to the American Atlas. According to Soviet rocket designer Boris Chertok in his landmark history Rockets and People, work on the R-16 was proceeding ahead of schedule, with a target date of July 1961 for the first launch, when Nedelin upped the ante: He would launch by November 7, in time for the 43rd anniversary of the Soviet revolution.
Nedelin's desire for glory cost him his life, and the lives of nearly 100 others. Rushing the schedule led exhausted workers to take all kinds of short cuts and risks, including continuing to work on the missile after it was fully fueled on the launch pad at Baikonur, with some 250 people milling around within close range.
On the evening of October 24, a cascading series of errors, including a mistaken switch setting, led to a rocketeer's worst nightmare: the R-16's second stage fired on the pad, still attached to the first stage underneath it, which immediately exploded.
Chertok describes the scene:
| Propellant components splashing out of the tanks soaked the testers standing nearby. Fire instantly devoured them. Poisonous vapors killed them. Of course, the quality of the film frames is not up to today's standards but when viewed in slow motion you can see how the missile and erector burned and how the frantic people trapped on the service platforms jumped straight into the fire and were instantly consumed. The enormous temperature at a significant distance from the epicenter of the fire burned peoples' clothing, and many of those fleeing who got bogged down in molten asphalt burned up completely. |
There was an investigation, but no witch-hunt or official blame. Soviet authorities decided that being on the scene of the accident was punishment enough for the engineers and technicians who survived. Families of the victims were told to keep quiet, and the first detailed accounts of the accident were not published until the late 1980s.
As for Marshal Nedelin, he was near the base of the missile at the time of the explosion, and perished in the blast. Writes Chertok: "The majority of the dead were unrecognizable. ... Nedelin was identified by the 'Gold Star' medal that had survived."
A new documentary on the Nedelin disaster will air on Russian TV this weekend:
https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/the-nedelin-disaster-146124579/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqT90VmYgEU
But, this is nothing compared to the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, that was even worse if one consider that military or civilian casualties covered by state secrecy inflict lesser national humiliation and loss of international prestige, compared to the death of one's first ever astronaut televised live worldwide!
The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster was a fatal disaster in the United States space program that occurred on 1st February 2003, when the Space Shuttle Columbia (OV-102) disintegrated as it reentered the atmosphere, killing all seven crew members. The disaster was the second fatal accident in the Space Shuttle program, after the 1986 breakup of Challenger soon after liftoff.
Ilan Ramon
Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force was the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed in the re-entry accident with all the six other crew members.
With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
https://archive.is/0WUZC/93e8c8bbf76711aa4f5214f007382893bfcc483d.jpg ; https://archive.is/0WUZC/7caab1bfa4fed8cdaf1ed6f5b0e6b5460a2dee4f/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20201128054552/https://israelforever.org/images/faded_Star_of_David.jpg ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210131173017/https://israelforever.org/interact/blog/defining_moments/ ; https://archive.ph/UodQ6
▲ 1. The tattered remains of an Israeli Air Force flag which Ramon carried into space, found among the debris in Texas.
Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force was the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed in the re-entry accident with all the six other crew members.
With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
https://archive.is/0WUZC/93e8c8bbf76711aa4f5214f007382893bfcc483d.jpg ; https://archive.is/0WUZC/7caab1bfa4fed8cdaf1ed6f5b0e6b5460a2dee4f/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20201128054552/https://israelforever.org/images/faded_Star_of_David.jpg ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210131173017/https://israelforever.org/interact/blog/defining_moments/ ; https://archive.ph/UodQ6
▲ 1. The tattered remains of an Israeli Air Force flag which Ramon carried into space, found among the debris in Texas.
1,190,789 views •Apr 27, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXiZ3RHR3bg
Conclusion, if Iran's first astronaut can't make it back alive to Earth, it won't beat the Israeli record!
North Korean manned spacecraft
Obviously as different from the Iranian Kavoshgar-10 capsule as the Paektusan-1 SLV was different from Iran's Safir-1 SLV!
As depicted back in 2017, from a mysterious Japanese account possibly related to Chongryon.
https://archive.ph/ActC5/2981e9cfc470149bf4e75146398aa4c1f15fdb09.jpg ; https://archive.ph/ActC5/b0fefd7a7dd16b82d867ed4d6fd10ee7624229b2/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20210401133125/https://i.imgur.com/mGaCr6i.jpg ; https://archive.ph/mDSt4/842e3de1085a41a1b8569bc61170b23b79d24119/scr.png ; https://archive.ph/mDSt4 ; https://i.pximg.net/img-original/img/2017/05/03/13/58/20/62711716_p0.jpg ; https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/62711716
▲ 2. North Korean manned spacecraft: 朝鲜飞船. May 3, 2017 6:58 AM
Compared to the Russian OGCh 1'700 kg 8F021 orbiting warhead。
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▲ 3. The 1'700 kg 8F021 orbiting warhead had the Russian acronym OGCh。
Compared to the Chinese Shuguang-1 (Dawn One) manned spacecraft (code-named Project 714):
https://archive.vn/ErbjG/d1acbc4f6e375bda584cf2ef255d019faab33ed5.jpg; https://archive.vn/ErbjG/e723dd9a0e5cf18563ff99dbde5794feaed1d12d/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201110202729/http://ipic.su/jGLT.jpg
▲ 4. The Shuguang-1 (Dawn One) manned spacecraft (code-named Project 714) was piloted by two astronauts and had a maximum flight time of eight days. It was planned to launch an unmanned spacecraft in 1973 and a manned spacecraft in 1974. The Shuguang-1 was launched by the Dongfeng-6 Orbiting Missile.
Harsh competition ahead!
Actually the worst space launch related disaster in human history was probably a failed launch in China in 1996 in which an entire village was pretty much wiped out. This is the worst one I've heard of anyways. China initially said there were no deaths but later after investigations, Chinese officials stated that there were 6 deaths with 50+ injuries.
However according to western estimates, considering the fact that the entire village was completely decimated, 200-500+ could have died. Who knows. Either way it's very sad for those poor villagers but it's good to see China resiliently forging ahead with its space program despite setbacks.
However according to western estimates, considering the fact that the entire village was completely decimated, 200-500+ could have died. Who knows. Either way it's very sad for those poor villagers but it's good to see China resiliently forging ahead with its space program despite setbacks.
This again shows the abysmal level of ignorance and complete misunderstanding of historical facts by some Iranian posters (unless it is bad faith), that can't simply correctly grasp the reality of the world we live in, and the complacency for blatant lies of the other ones (corrupter of everything) who know the truth, therefore forfeiting in both cases the future of this nation.
Pakistani readers don't let them fool you, and please take note!
The worst space catastrophe was indeed the Soviet Nedelin Disaster.
The Nedelin Disaster
A rush job ended with nearly 100 lives lost when a fully-fueled rocket ignited on the launchpad during testing.
October 22, 2010
There's some justice in the fact that the worst rocket accident in history, which happened 50 years ago this week, is remembered by the name of the man who caused it.
Marshal Mitrofan Nedelin was an ambitious military leader who rose to command the Soviet Union's Strategic Missile Forces during the Cold War. In the autumn of 1960, his main focus was developing the new R-16 intercontinental ballistic missile, which was meant to be an answer to the American Atlas. According to Soviet rocket designer Boris Chertok in his landmark history Rockets and People, work on the R-16 was proceeding ahead of schedule, with a target date of July 1961 for the first launch, when Nedelin upped the ante: He would launch by November 7, in time for the 43rd anniversary of the Soviet revolution.
Nedelin's desire for glory cost him his life, and the lives of nearly 100 others. Rushing the schedule led exhausted workers to take all kinds of short cuts and risks, including continuing to work on the missile after it was fully fueled on the launch pad at Baikonur, with some 250 people milling around within close range.
On the evening of October 24, a cascading series of errors, including a mistaken switch setting, led to a rocketeer's worst nightmare: the R-16's second stage fired on the pad, still attached to the first stage underneath it, which immediately exploded.
Chertok describes the scene:
Propellant components splashing out of the tanks soaked the testers standing nearby. Fire instantly devoured them. Poisonous vapors killed them. Of course, the quality of the film frames is not up to today's standards but when viewed in slow motion you can see how the missile and erector burned and how the frantic people trapped on the service platforms jumped straight into the fire and were instantly consumed. The enormous temperature at a significant distance from the epicenter of the fire burned peoples' clothing, and many of those fleeing who got bogged down in molten asphalt burned up completely.
There was an investigation, but no witch-hunt or official blame. Soviet authorities decided that being on the scene of the accident was punishment enough for the engineers and technicians who survived. Families of the victims were told to keep quiet, and the first detailed accounts of the accident were not published until the late 1980s.
As for Marshal Nedelin, he was near the base of the missile at the time of the explosion, and perished in the blast. Writes Chertok: "The majority of the dead were unrecognizable. ... Nedelin was identified by the 'Gold Star' medal that had survived."
A new documentary on the Nedelin disaster will air on Russian TV this weekend:
https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/the-nedelin-disaster-146124579/[/SIZE][/I][/INDENT][/SIZE][/I][/INDENT][/SIZE][/I][/INDENT]
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But, this is nothing compared to the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, that was even worse if one consider that military or civilian casualties covered by state secrecy inflict lesser national humiliation and loss of international prestige, compared to the death of one's first ever astronaut televised live worldwide!
The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster was a fatal disaster in the United States space program that occurred on 1st February 2003, when the Space Shuttle Columbia (OV-102) disintegrated as it reentered the atmosphere, killing all seven crew members. The disaster was the second fatal accident in the Space Shuttle program, after the 1986 breakup of Challenger soon after liftoff.
Ilan Ramon
Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force was the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed in the re-entry accident with all the six other crew members.
With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
https://archive.is/0WUZC/93e8c8bbf76711aa4f5214f007382893bfcc483d.jpg ; https://archive.is/0WUZC/7caab1bfa4fed8cdaf1ed6f5b0e6b5460a2dee4f/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20201128054552/https://israelforever.org/images/faded_Star_of_David.jpg ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210131173017/https://israelforever.org/interact/blog/defining_moments/ ; https://archive.ph/UodQ6
▲ 1. The tattered remains of an Israeli Air Force flag which Ramon carried into space, found among the debris in Texas.
The Columbia Disaster Was Worse Than You Thought
1,190,789 views •Apr 27, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXiZ3RHR3bg
Conclusion, if Iran's first astronaut can't make it back alive to Earth, it won't beat the Israeli record!
North Korean manned spacecraft
Obviously as different from the Iranian Kavoshgar-10 capsule as the Paektusan-1 SLV was different from Iran's Safir-1 SLV!
As depicted back in 2017, from a mysterious Japanese account possibly related to Chongryon.
https://archive.ph/ActC5/2981e9cfc470149bf4e75146398aa4c1f15fdb09.jpg ; https://archive.ph/ActC5/b0fefd7a7dd16b82d867ed4d6fd10ee7624229b2/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20210401133125/https://i.imgur.com/mGaCr6i.jpg ; https://archive.ph/mDSt4/842e3de1085a41a1b8569bc61170b23b79d24119/scr.png ; https://archive.ph/mDSt4 ; https://i.pximg.net/img-original/img/2017/05/03/13/58/20/62711716_p0.jpg ; https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/62711716
▲ 2. North Korean manned spacecraft: 朝鲜飞船. May 3, 2017 6:58 AM
Compared to the Russian OGCh 1'700 kg 8F021 orbiting warhead。
_____
▲ 3. The 1'700 kg 8F021 orbiting warhead had the Russian acronym OGCh。
Compared to the Chinese Shuguang-1 (Dawn One) manned spacecraft (code-named Project 714):
https://archive.vn/ErbjG/d1acbc4f6e375bda584cf2ef255d019faab33ed5.jpg; https://archive.vn/ErbjG/e723dd9a0e5cf18563ff99dbde5794feaed1d12d/scr.png ; http://web.archive.org/web/20201110202729/http://ipic.su/jGLT.jpg
▲ 4. The Shuguang-1 (Dawn One) manned spacecraft (code-named Project 714) was piloted by two astronauts and had a maximum flight time of eight days. It was planned to launch an unmanned spacecraft in 1973 and a manned spacecraft in 1974. The Shuguang-1 was launched by the Dongfeng-6 Orbiting Missile.
Harsh competition ahead!
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300 casualties in the Soviet Union are more than 100 in China. Stop reposting rubbish.
Pakistani readers can verify the facts in this Wikipedia link, and see by themselves who is the inveterate lier.
Source:
List of spaceflight-related accidents and incidents - Wikipedia
Reposting the same drivel from 24 February 2021 again and again will not change the fact that, by order of gravity, Israel is the record holder:
5.
On 15 February 1996, a Long March rocket carrying the Intelsat 708 Satellite veered off course immediately after launch, crashing in the nearby village 22 seconds later, destroying 80 houses. According to official Chinese reports there were 6 fatalities and 57 injuries resulting from the incident, but other accounts estimated 100 fatalities.4.
The Nedelin Disaster was worse with 300 casualties including top rocket scientists, delaying the development of the R-16 ICBM.3.
The Bidganeh arsenal explosion was a large explosion that occurred about 13:30 local time, 12 November 2011 in Iran's Moddares garrison missile base. The facility is also referred to as Shahid Modarres missile base,[1] and the Alghadir missile base.[2] Seventeen members of the Revolutionary Guards were killed in this incident,[3] including Major General Hassan Moqaddam, described as "a key figure in Iran's missile programme".The consequences have been devastating for Iran with the loss of its Chief designer General Hassan Tehrani Moggadam, delaying severely the development of the Qaem SLV. Indeed, a decade later, as of 2021, this 3.5 meter diameter rocket has still not been flown.
2.
The Brazilian 22nd August 2003 Alcântara VLS accident during the Brazilian Space Agency's third attempt to launch the VLS-1 rocket, killing 21 people. The explosion leveled the rocket's launch pad, reducing a 10-story high structure to a pile of twisted metal. But worse, the death of key scientist simply put an end to the Brazilian space effort.
1.
The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster was a fatal disaster in the United States space program that occurred on 1st February 2003, when the Space Shuttle Columbia (OV-102) disintegrated as it reentered the atmosphere, killing all seven crew members. The disaster was the second fatal accident in the Space Shuttle program, after the 1986 breakup of Challenger soon after liftoff. Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force was the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed in the re-entry accident with all the six other crew members.
With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
https://archive.vn/9wZvQ/9eacdc743affd740f9ccb6630d1019990983c782.jpg ; https://archive.vn/9wZvQ/be2e271db6c250cacebbb47411afa8e8dcb9b9a0/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210404233515/https://i.imgur.com/sUo6A7t.jpg
▲ 1. With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
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88 houses destroyed, an entire village utterly wiped out. Let's say 3 people in each house, that's 264 already, not even including the rest of the village completely ceasing to exist. The article from the video states 200-500 could have died. The visual evidence is undeniable. Anyways the important part is that China persevered and continued developing their space program regardless of trials and tribulations until today.
300 casualties in the Soviet Union are more than 100 in China. Stop reposting rubbish.
Pakistani readers can verify the facts in this Wikipedia link, and see by themselves who is the inveterate lier.
Source:
List of spaceflight-related accidents and incidents - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Reposting the same drivel from 24 February 2021 again and again will not change the fact that, by order of gravity, Israel is the record holder:
5.
4.
3.
The consequences have been devastating for Iran with the loss of its Chief designer General Hassan Tehrani Moggadam, delaying severely the development of the Qaem SLV. Indeed, a decade later, as of 2021, this 3.5 meter diameter rocket has still not been flown.
2.
The explosion leveled the rocket's launch pad, reducing a 10-story high structure to a pile of twisted metal. But worse, the death of key scientist simply put an end to the Brazilian space effort.
1.
Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force was the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed in the re-entry accident with all the six other crew members.
With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
https://archive.vn/9wZvQ/9eacdc743affd740f9ccb6630d1019990983c782.jpg ; https://archive.vn/9wZvQ/be2e271db6c250cacebbb47411afa8e8dcb9b9a0/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210404233515/https://i.imgur.com/sUo6A7t.jpg
▲ 1. With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
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Of course anyone should at least try to assess any such extraordinary claims such as the most devastating space related disaster of all time.
Unfortunately, not only the Iranian general public but even the intellectual elite seem specially unprepared to correctly debunk such claims, thus being vulnerable to foreign sponsored disinformation.
The saddest consequence being to see this U.S. generated disinformation spread unchecked even by the official Iranian media such as Presstv and Farsnews!
Always check the source first. A random youtube video is never to be trusted.
However you seems to come from a computer gaming background not trained in physics, unlike Galactic Penguin.
Here a very brief debunking based on scientific considerations:
| 官方辟谣“火箭砸死500人” 事故造成6死57伤 |
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| 2016年02月19日 06:27:57 来源： 京华时报 关于网络上“1996年长三乙火箭首飞失败造成500人死亡”的说法，作为承担我国长征系列运载火箭研制、生产和发射试验任务的单位，中国航天科技集团公司昨日发表声明进行辟谣。 近日，有网友发布微博称，“1996年2月15日，中国长三乙火箭首飞失败，撞山爆炸，至少造成500人死亡，家属区荡然无存。” 中国航天科技集团公司声明表示，1996年2月15日凌晨3时零1分，我国新研制的长征三号乙火箭发射国际708通信卫星，点火起飞后约两秒，火箭飞行姿态出现异常，约22秒后，火箭头部坠地，撞到离发射架不到2公里的山坡上，随即发生剧烈爆炸，星箭俱毁，事故造成6人死亡，57人受伤住院。 |
| Regarding the Internet statement that "the failure of the first flight of the CZ-3B rocket in 1996 caused 500 deaths", China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation issued a statement yesterday to refute the rumors as the unit responsible for the development, production, and launch test of my country's Long March series of carrier rockets. Recently, a netizen posted on Weibo stating, “On February 15, 1996, China’s CZ-3B rocket failed its first flight and crashed into a mountain and exploded. At least 500 people were killed and the residential area disappeared.” China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation stated that at 3:01 on February 15, 1996, China’s newly-developed Long March 3B rocket launched the International 708 communications satellite. About two seconds after it ignited and took off, the rocket's flight attitude appeared abnormal. After 22 seconds, the head of the rocket fell to the ground and hit a hillside less than 2 kilometers away from the launcher. There was a violent explosion and the arrows were destroyed. The accident resulted in 6 deaths and 57 injuries and hospitalizations. |
| http://web.archive.org/web/20210410202548/http://www.xinhuanet.com/politics/2016-02/19/c_128732483.htm https://archive.ph/6Bzj3 |
But there is also the assessment made by the U.S. government:
| INTELSAT 708 LAUNCH FAILURE |
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LORAL INVESTIGATION PROVIDES PRC WITH SENSITIVE INFORMATION Overview of Events On February 15, 1996, the Intelsat 708 satellite was launched on a Long March 3B rocket from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in the PRC.1 Even before clearing the launch tower, the rocket tipped over and continued on a flight trajectory roughly parallel to the ground.2 After only 22 seconds of flight, the rocket crashed into a nearby hillside, destroying the rocket and the Intelsat satellite it carried. The crash created an explosion that was roughly equivalent to 20 to 55 tons of TNT. It destroyed a nearby village. According to official PRC reports, six people died in the explosion,3 but other accounts estimate that 100 people died as a result of the crash.4 |
| http://web.archive.org/web/20210311074213/https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO-CRPT-105hrpt851/html/ch6bod.html https://archive.ph/uJgnD |
Therefore the casualties range between 6 deaths to 100 according to Chinese or U.S. authorities. Note that Wikipedia that is not favorable to China claims the same 100 casualties.
To quote bogus sources that are clearly motivated to further their personal agenda such as Falungongers, Milk Tea Alliance, ETIM, or Dalai Clique only expose your bias.
Recap of the top 11 space accidents
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On 24 February 2004, at Satish Dhawan Space Centre in India, after curing process of an experimental solid propellant segment weighing 14.5 tonnes, during removal of bottom plate from casting assembly, propellant within segment caught fire resulting in death of four engineers and two assistants. Three workers escaped the inferno with burn injuries. Cast Cure facility building suffered extensive damage.10.
On 28 January 1986, the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster caused by a launch booster failure, resulting in vehicle disintegration was the most devastating death toll to date for a manned spaceflight with 7 astronauts. This also delayed for nearly 3 years all U.S. manned spaceflights. 9.
On 12 May 2002, 8 workers repairing the roof of the Baikonur Cosmodrome N-1/Energia vehicle assembly building died when the roof suffered a total structural collapse and crashed 80 meters to the ground. Buran Shuttle was destroyed.8.
On 24 October 1963, on the same day as the Nedelin catastrophe, another catastrophe took place. Due to the evaporation of fuel and a short circuit on a R-9 ICBM, a fire took the lives of 7 or 8 people. Since then, 24 October is considered a "Black Day", and Russia has not launched rockets on that day. 7.
On 26 June 1973, a launch explosion of Kosmos-3M rocket killed 9 people at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome, USSR.6.
On 18 March 1980, an explosion while fueling up a Vostok-2M rocket killed 48 people at the Plesetsk Cosmodrome, USSR.5.
On 15 February 1996, a Long March rocket carrying the Intelsat 708 Satellite veered off course immediately after launch, crashing in the nearby village 22 seconds later, destroying 80 houses. According to official Chinese reports there were 6 fatalities and 57 injuries resulting from the incident, but other accounts estimated 100 fatalities.4.
The Nedelin Disaster was worse with 300 casualties including top rocket scientists, delaying the development of the R-16 ICBM.| The Nedelin Disaster |
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| A rush job ended with nearly 100 lives lost when a fully-fueled rocket ignited on the launchpad during testing. October 22, 2010 There's some justice in the fact that the worst rocket accident in history, which happened 50 years ago this week, is remembered by the name of the man who caused it. Marshal Mitrofan Nedelin was an ambitious military leader who rose to command the Soviet Union's Strategic Missile Forces during the Cold War. In the autumn of 1960, his main focus was developing the new R-16 intercontinental ballistic missile, which was meant to be an answer to the American Atlas. According to Soviet rocket designer Boris Chertok in his landmark history Rockets and People, work on the R-16 was proceeding ahead of schedule, with a target date of July 1961 for the first launch, when Nedelin upped the ante: He would launch by November 7, in time for the 43rd anniversary of the Soviet revolution. Nedelin's desire for glory cost him his life, and the lives of nearly 100 others. Rushing the schedule led exhausted workers to take all kinds of short cuts and risks, including continuing to work on the missile after it was fully fueled on the launch pad at Baikonur, with some 250 people milling around within close range. On the evening of October 24, a cascading series of errors, including a mistaken switch setting, led to a rocketeer's worst nightmare: the R-16's second stage fired on the pad, still attached to the first stage underneath it, which immediately exploded. Chertok describes the scene: Propellant components splashing out of the tanks soaked the testers standing nearby. Fire instantly devoured them. Poisonous vapors killed them. Of course, the quality of the film frames is not up to today's standards but when viewed in slow motion you can see how the missile and erector burned and how the frantic people trapped on the service platforms jumped straight into the fire and were instantly consumed. The enormous temperature at a significant distance from the epicenter of the fire burned peoples' clothing, and many of those fleeing who got bogged down in molten asphalt burned up completely. There was an investigation, but no witch-hunt or official blame. Soviet authorities decided that being on the scene of the accident was punishment enough for the engineers and technicians who survived. Families of the victims were told to keep quiet, and the first detailed accounts of the accident were not published until the late 1980s. As for Marshal Nedelin, he was near the base of the missile at the time of the explosion, and perished in the blast. Writes Chertok: "The majority of the dead were unrecognizable. ... Nedelin was identified by the 'Gold Star' medal that had survived." A new documentary on the Nedelin disaster will air on Russian TV this weekend: https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/the-nedelin-disaster-146124579/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqT90VmYgEU |
| https://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/the-nedelin-disaster-146124579/ |
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The Bidganeh arsenal explosion was a large explosion that occurred about 13:30 local time, 12 November 2011 in Iran's Moddares garrison missile base. The facility is also referred to as Shahid Modarres missile base, and the Alghadir missile base. Seventeen members of the Revolutionary Guards were killed in this incident, including Major General Hassan Moqaddam, described as "a key figure in Iran's missile programme".The consequences have been devastating for Iran, with the space center being totally levelled beyond repair, with the irreparable loss of its Chief designer General Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, delaying indefinitely the development of the Qaem SLV. Indeed, a decade later, as of 2021, this 3.5 meter diameter rocket seems to be cancelled. The largest solid motor flown to space in 2020, the Salman-1 of 1 meter diameter being even smaller than the 4th stage of the 2011 Qaem SLV. While the older design 1.5 meter diameter Sejil-3 first stage or Zoljanah SLV has not been able to reach the Karman line as of 2021.
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The Brazilian 22nd August 2003 Alcântara VLS accident during the Brazilian Space Agency's third attempt to launch the VLS-1 rocket, killing 21 people. The explosion leveled the rocket's launch pad, reducing a 10-story high structure to a pile of twisted metal. But worse, the death of key scientists simply put an end to the Brazilian space effort.
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The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster was a fatal disaster in the United States space program that occurred on 1st February 2003, when the Space Shuttle Columbia (OV-102) disintegrated as it reentered the atmosphere, killing all seven crew members. The disaster was the second fatal accident in the Space Shuttle program, after the 1986 breakup of Challenger soon after liftoff. This catastrophe totally discredited the space shuttle as a viable space transportation system, ending with its final flight on July 2011.
Leaving the U.S. without any manned space launcher for a decade, until the advent of the SpaceX Crew Dragon on 16 November 2020, but with a much decreased cargo capacity, compared to the space shuttle.
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But, what was even worse if one consider that military or civilian casualties covered by state secrecy inflict lesser national humiliation and loss of international prestige, was the death of one's first ever astronaut televised live worldwide.
Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force was the first Israeli astronaut, and was killed in the re-entry accident with all the six other crew members.
With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world among the 40 countries that have flown in space, to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
https://archive.vn/9wZvQ/9eacdc743affd740f9ccb6630d1019990983c782.jpg ; https://archive.vn/9wZvQ/be2e271db6c250cacebbb47411afa8e8dcb9b9a0/scr.png ; https://web.archive.org/web/20210404233515/https://i.imgur.com/sUo6A7t.jpg
▲ 2. With Ilan Ramon's death, Israel is to this day, the only nation in the world to have lost its first ever astronaut during a maiden spaceflight.
Source:
List of spaceflight-related accidents and incidents - Wikipedia
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