Iranian Nuclear Doctrine

[aryobarzan]

Russia didn't announce a time frame for its military operation in Ukraine. It's western propaganda that tries to suggest otherwise without providing evidence.

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The Islamic Republic has ensured Iran's security by deterring the US regime and the zionists from subjecting Iran to a totally destructive type of conflict. The proof is in the pudding. To crush Iran, they won't wait for an apocalyptic, nuclear World War III (for which I see no pressing indication to begin with): if they thought they could succeed with no prohibitive cost, they'd have proceeded some twenty years ago. This is beyond question.

As for a potential nuclear break out: similar to what we had discussed one or two years ago, if Iran's security against the US regime can no longer be ensured through asymmetrical conventional means - which is far from being the case right now, then a minimal nuclear arsenal would suffice because Washington is controlled by Isra"el"-firsters (to them, Tel Aviv's security trumps America's own), and due to its Isra"el"'s limited geographical extent only one or two nuclear impacts would seal that entity's fate.

Salar ..granted we have prevented aggretion up to now but things are getting real serious and counting on a very iffy conventional weapon is too big a risk..what if Iran leaders are wtong in their assesment...this is something that you can not be wrong even once...They will finish Iran ..we never get a second chance to correct our defence path...Go nuclear now when there is a chance...my thoughts only.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Russia didn't announce a time frame for its military operation in Ukraine. It's western propaganda that tries to suggest otherwise without providing evidence.

If they could they had finished it 4 month ago.
From the start they did it wrong. They choose the wrong season for the special operation.
They choose the wrong tactic.
They choose the wrong weapon.

 

[lydian fall]

You do realize that most countries in the world, particularly the nuclear states, and even de-facto nuclear states like Japan, have tremendous enrichment capabilities. I mean Japan's enrichment capacity measured in separative work units is already 1.5 million SWU/year. And unlike Iran that declares SWU using UF6, most nuclear states use uranium instead of UF6.
1 SWU U/year is almost 1.6 SWU UF6/year. So, even peaceful Japan that has already outlawed pursuing nuclear weapons as the sole victim of them has over 150 times more nuclear enrichment capacity than Iran.

Russia, for example, has 24 million SWU/year. That's almost 3000 times more than Iran's capacity. Any country that wants to be taken seriously as a nuclear state should hit at least 1 million SWU/year. See the difference? Do you now see why Iran's enrichment program is a joke by international scales and it's really tiny?

The Westerners want Iran's resources. It is the duty of the Iranian system to protect itself. The Westerners have always had their eyes on our vast natural resources and we have suffered greatly for this in two world wars and the current Iranian establishment is doing nothing to prevent the same thing from happening in future.

We have two types of nuclear programs

One is on the ground which seems to be 'peaceful'

And one is underground which is develped by Dr. Fakhrizadeh since 1980's and is not peaceful

 

[QWECXZ]

We have two types of nuclear programs

One is on the ground which seems to be 'peaceful'

And one is underground which is develped by Dr. Fakhrizadeh since 1980's and is not peaceful

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There's no evidence that the AMAD project has continued beyond 2003.
Netanyahu's claims to push Iran towards Chapter VII of the UN Security Council do not count.

 

[lydian fall]

There's no evidence that the AMAD project has continued beyond 2003.
Netanyahu's claims to push Iran towards Chapter VII of the UN Security Council do not count.

Whatever dude.

 

[SalarHaqq]

If they could they had finished it 4 month ago.

What evidence is there that they had scheduled the conclusion of their operation for an earlier date?

From the start they did it wrong. They choose the wrong season for the special operation.
They choose the wrong tactic.
They choose the wrong weapon.

It's safe to assume that Russian military planners will have had a more complete understanding of these aspects, and that they made their decisions accordingly.

 

[jauk]

Russia didn't announce a time frame for its military operation in Ukraine. It's western propaganda that tries to suggest otherwise without providing evidence.

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The Islamic Republic has ensured Iran's security by deterring the US regime and the zionists from subjecting Iran to a totally destructive type of conflict. The proof is in the pudding. To crush Iran, they won't wait for an apocalyptic, nuclear World War III (for which I see no pressing indication to begin with): if they thought they could succeed with no prohibitive cost, they'd have proceeded some twenty years ago. This is beyond question.

As for a potential nuclear break out: similar to what we had discussed one or two years ago, if Iran's security against the US regime can no longer be ensured through asymmetrical conventional means - which is far from being the case right now, then a minimal nuclear arsenal would suffice because Washington is controlled by Isra"el"-firsters (to them, Tel Aviv's security trumps America's own), and due to its Isra"el"'s limited geographical extent only one or two nuclear impacts would seal that entity's fate.

1. I’d caution that the opponent can no longer be relied upon to make rational decisions. Additionally, the public is gradually being desensitized to the usage of nukes. I don’t believe it’s taboo like it was (if it ever really was). One also cannot easily dismiss the rationale behind Russians and Chinese building nuclear arsenals.

2. Standing against 1 is the IRI’s moral stance against nukes shored up by it’s own nonnuclear deterrent. The IRI leadership has also been the most rational and deep thinking government on the planet. No country comes close although one can argue China and Russia are far seconds. All that cannot be easily dismissed either.

So I see those two modes equally but going against each other.

Which one is right? Not that easy IMO but if you sit me on a chair and put a gun to my head I’d put my faith in IRI and 2. But with great difficulty.

 

[Hack-Hook]

What evidence is there that they had scheduled the conclusion of their operation for an earlier date?

so you believe Russian are masochist and love to be killed and get bogged down
if they could they have finished it in one day. you can just look at their fast advance in first weeks of the conflict and then left and right they get ambushed

It's safe to assume that Russian military planners will have had a more complete understanding of these aspects, and that they made their decisions accordingly.

yeah they do , using iron bomb and made their su-24 fly at low altitude and be susceptible to man-pad fire. failing to achieve air dominance.
they still use old tactic of lining artillery and pounding enemy with them . answered in ww2 , failed in today ukraine

 

[SalarHaqq]

so you believe Russian are masochist and love to be killed and get bogged down
if they could they have finished it in one day. you can just look at their fast advance in first weeks of the conflict and then left and right they get ambushed

So I take it there's no evidence for the suggestion, rehashed around the clock by the Kafkaesque western propaganda machinery, that Russia was expecting to wrap up its military operation in a matter of weeks if not days. Thanks for confirming indeed.

The foray towards Kiev was a classical Bonapartian diversion to bog down between 60.000 and 100.000 Ukrainian units in the north, which allowed Russia to quickly grab most of Zaporozhzhie oblast and other territories to the south and the east, including some of the most heavily defended ones.

As for the level of Russian casualties: evidence, evidence please.

yeah they do , using iron bomb and made their su-24 fly at low altitude and be susceptible to man-pad fire. failing to achieve air dominance.
they still use old tactic of lining artillery and pounding enemy with them . answered in ww2 , failed in today ukraine

Doctrines focusing on air dominance are overrated western concepts. Work against non-armies like the Iraqi one in 2003, but will stumble upon massive hurdles when facing a more serious adversary.

Russian military planners know what they're doing. They're no clowns but seasoned officers heading one of the most professional armies there is. Some of their mission parameters are:

* With just around 200.000 troops, defeat a quite well equipped, quite well trained, permanently replenished, extremely well entrenched and fortified defending force of some 600.000.

* Do so with minimal damage to civilian infrastructure because this is not NATO carpet bombing into oblivion some helpless weak nation, this is Russia. And what is more, on territory inhabited by Russian people, which Moscow intends to keep and annex (or de facto annex).

It's working fine for them. Pace is not a relevant indicator here, Russia has all the time in the world. Russian casualties are entirely within sustainable limits, and the steamroller is rolling patiently but inexorably, while inflicting colossal and irreversible destruction upon the NATO proxy force in Ukraine.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So I take it there's no evidence for the suggestion, rehashed around the clock by the Kafkaesque western propaganda machinery, that Russia was expecting to wrap up its military operation in a matter of weeks if not days. Thanks for confirming indeed.

The foray towards Kiev was a classical Bonapartian diversion to bog down between 60.000 and 100.000 Ukrainian units in the north, which allowed Russia to quickly grab most of Zaporozhzhie oblast and other territories to the south and the east, including some of the most heavily defended ones.

As for the level of Russian casualties: evidence, evidence please.

yeah sure if you really believe so

Doctrines focusing on air dominance are overrated western concepts. Work against non-armies like the Iraqi one in 2003, but will stumble upon massive hurdles when facing a more serious adversary.

I'm seeing how doctrine based on artillery are effective.
by the way using iron bomb or guided weapon have nothing to do with air dominance . using stand off weapon or iron bombs is not have anything to do with air dominance , it is simply protecting your asset in the conflict.

Russian military planners know what they're doing. They're no clowns but seasoned officers heading one of the most professional armies there is. Some of their mission parameters are:

one of the most professional armies ?
honestly do you believe these things you say ?

* With just around 200.000 troops, defeat a quite well equipped, quite well trained, permanently replenished, extremely well entrenched and fortified defending force of some 600.000.

yeah sure specially the numbers

Do so with minimal damage to civilian infrastructure because this is not NATO carpet bombing into oblivion some helpless weak nation, this is Russia. And what is more, on territory inhabited by Russian people, which Moscow intends to keep and annex (or de facto annex).

certainly you telling the truth

no civilian damage at all
do you knew it reminds me of where, Qasr-e-Shirin if you old enough to knew what i mean

It's working fine for them. Pace is not a relevant indicator here, Russia has all the time in the world. Russian casualties are entirely within sustainable limits, and the steamroller is rolling patiently but inexorably, while inflicting colossal and irreversible destruction upon the NATO proxy force in Ukraine.

its very much relevant , the slower your pace , your enemy get stronger and you loose more men. the only ones who benefit from lengthening the war is NATO and USA that you claim you so much abhor.

the difference between me and you is while i understand why russia attacked Ukraine , i see their shortcoming and weakness . russia is a superpower of past on its last breath because they could not adapt themselves to new era. you on other hand if your life depend on it can't find any fault with russia and go to any length to portray their weakness as strength

 

[Stryker1982]

* Do so with minimal damage to civilian infrastructure because this is not NATO carpet bombing into oblivion some helpless weak nation, this is Russia. And what is more, on territory inhabited by Russian people, which Moscow intends to keep and annex (or de facto annex).

I'm surprised you said this without irony, cause it is far from the truth and pretty delusional. I think you are the only one here that denies their is civilian infrastructure damage. Theirs a reason why Russia has the largest artillery corps in the world,

one of the most professional armies ?
honestly do you believe these things you say ?

I think he is incapable of seeing flaws in things that happen to align with his world view, a very bad thing to have as a military planner. Instead of looking to improve upon them, he sees them as an insult.

 

[SalarHaqq]

by the way using iron bomb or guided weapon have nothing to do with air dominance . using stand off weapon or iron bombs is not have anything to do with air dominance , it is simply protecting your asset in the conflict.

Russian strikes are precise ones for the most part - drone-corrected artillery strikes etc.

one of the most professional armies ?
honestly do you believe these things you say ?

NATO propaganda may suggest otherwise but that's not saying much now, is it.

certainly you telling the truth

no civilian damage at all
do you knew it reminds me of where, Qasr-e-Shirin if you old enough to knew what i mean

I see no large scale destruction of civilian amenities in those pictures. It's nothing much compared to how NATO obliterates towns and villages in its wars of aggression.

Not factoring in wide scale use of civilian infrastructure, private homes, even schools as shields by the Ukrainian army.

Even Amnesty International, which normally serves western imperial interests, could no longer cover up the truth and spoke out against this practice of the Ukrainian military:

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bloo...sty-report-that-its-army-endangers-civilians/

its very much relevant , the slower your pace , your enemy get stronger and you loose more men.

There's no stringent logical equivalence between these propositions. For instance, the longer the war lasts, the more Ukrainian troops are killed. The ratio is highly favorable to Russia. And, Ukrainian nationalists cannot be mass-produced by western defence industries.

the difference between me and you is while i understand why russia attacked Ukraine , i see their shortcoming and weakness . russia is a superpower of past on its last breath because they could not adapt themselves to new era. you on other hand if your life depend on it can't find any fault with russia and go to any length to portray their weakness as strength

Russia breathing its last breath, no less... One can't come up with such as assertion unless impacted by western narratives.

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I'm surprised you said this without irony, cause it is far from the truth and pretty delusional. I think you are the only one here that denies their is civilian infrastructure damage. Theirs a reason why Russia has the largest artillery corps in the world,

Most of Russia's artillery strikes are precise enough. I lost count of how many UAV-grabbed video sequences Russia published to this effect. Could it be that you haven't paid close enough attention to these documents?

I'm the only person to insist on this fact? Where exactly? Look at the thread dedicated to the Ukraine war: most of those who endorse western narratives against Russia happen to be westerners themselves, and many of them joined the forum after the outbreak of the conflict and only to post in that thread (suggesting some may be trained online activists sent over by NATO regime offices). Few Pakistanis or others hailing from the global south can be found subscribing to these narratives.

I think he is incapable of seeing flaws in things that happen to align with his world view, a very bad thing to have as a military planner. Instead of looking to improve upon them, he sees them as an insult.

Not to align on my views, you probably mean. I'm merely stating what I've been able to observe, and to gather from trustworthy and convincing analyses.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Russia breathing its last breath... this says it all. One can't come up with such as assertion unless impacted by western narratives.Russian strikes are precise ones for the most part - drone-corrected artillery strikes etc.

sukhoi fly low to drop iron bombs getting shot down by manpads , and those artillery strikes are not precise in majority of the time , they are intense

NATO propaganda may suggest otherwise but that's not saying much now, is it.

evidence and results talk for himself there is no need for NATO propaganda

I see no large scale destruction of civilian amenities in those pictures. It's nothing much compared to how NATO obliterates towns and villages in its wars of aggression.

Not factoring in wide scale use of civilian infrastructure, private homes, even schools as shields by the Ukrainian army.

Even Amnesty International, which normally serves western imperial interests, could no longer cover up the truth and spoke out against this practice of the Ukrainian military:

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bloo...sty-report-that-its-army-endangers-civilians/

there is complete city destroyed because Russia can't do precise strike and you come up with that to praise them ?

There's no stringent logical equivalence between these propositions. For instance, the longer the war lasts, the more Ukrainian troops are killed. The ratio is highly favorable to Russia. And, Ukrainian nationalists cannot be mass-produced by western defence industries.

also the case about Russia. but its not the point , the name of Russia was feared before this but know we see performance worse than USSR performance in Afghanistan. from their black see fleet only some boat remain . their ammo depot are blown one by one , their aircraft are blown on the ground deep inside Russia . their troops are dying ...

and about Ukrainian can't be produced , what about mercenaries ?

Russia breathing its last breath... this says it all. One can't come up with such as assertion unless impacted by western narratives.

it seems you don't see the sign of fall of an empire. russia is no economical power house , their military performance lackluster , their political might so so .

Most of Russia's artillery strikes are precision guided. I lost count of how many UAV-grabbed video sequences Russia published to this effect. So perhaps you haven't paid close enough attention to these documents.

I'm the only person to insist on this fact? Where exactly? Look at the thread dedicated to the war in Ukraine: most of those who endorse western narratives against Russia happen to be westerners themselves, and many of them joined the forum only to post in that thread (thus some may be trained online propagandists working for NATO regimes). Very few Pakistanis or other users hailing from the global south subscribe to these narratives.

those uav grabbed videos are pittance compared to the amount of artillery fire Russia deliver on daily bases

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Russian strikes are precise ones for the most part - drone-corrected artillery strikes etc.



NATO propaganda may suggest otherwise but that's not saying much now, is it.



I see no large scale destruction of civilian amenities in those pictures. It's nothing much compared to how NATO obliterates towns and villages in its wars of aggression.

Not factoring in wide scale use of civilian infrastructure, private homes, even schools as shields by the Ukrainian army.

Even Amnesty International, which normally serves western imperial interests, could no longer cover up the truth and spoke out against this practice of the Ukrainian military:

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bloo...sty-report-that-its-army-endangers-civilians/



There's no stringent logical equivalence between these propositions. For instance, the longer the war lasts, the more Ukrainian troops are killed. The ratio is highly favorable to Russia. And, Ukrainian nationalists cannot be mass-produced by western defence industries.



Russia breathing its last breath... this says it all. One can't come up with such as assertion unless impacted by western narratives.

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Most of Russia's artillery strikes are precision guided. I lost count of how many UAV-grabbed video sequences Russia published to this effect. So perhaps you haven't paid close enough attention to these documents.

I'm the only person to insist on this fact? Where exactly? Look at the thread dedicated to the war in Ukraine: most of those who endorse western narratives against Russia happen to be westerners themselves, and many of them joined the forum only to post in that thread (thus some may be trained online propagandists working for NATO regimes). Very few Pakistanis or other users hailing from the global south subscribe to these narratives.



Not to align on my views, you probably meant. I'm merely stating what I've been able to observe, and to gather from trustworthy analyses.

If Ayatollah Khomeini were still alive and read all this, he would recoil in disgust.

The slogan is "Neither East nor West". Please, stop trying to cover Moscow's failures with a fig leaf by pasting essays full of nonsensical statements in their defence.

It's not our war and it won't see the russian regime collapse. The same goes for the taiwan standoff where you're fond of waving beijing's banner.

They're both nations which wouldn't throw Tehran a life-jacket if it was sinking. Treat them as a business partner and an arms/technology vendor, no more and no less. If they happen to hurt zogmutts and kikeroaches in the course of their politics, it's a bonus.

 

[SalarHaqq]

sukhoi fly low to drop iron bombs getting shot down by manpads , and those artillery strikes are not precise in majority of the time , they are intense

Russian artillery strikes are precise enough, and we have no statistics about how often Sukhoi jets fly low and how often they don't. The amount of Sukhoi fighter jets downed by manpads is definitely limited.

evidence and results talk for himself there is no need for NATO propaganda

Haven't encountered such evidence.

there is complete city destroyed because Russia can't do precise strike and you come up with that to praise them ?

No such thing in ground reality, but there's plenty of it in the Hollywoodesque propaganda of NATO mouthpieces.

Mariupol stands out in this regard, and that's because thousands of nihilistic neo-Nazi fanatics working for zio-American interests entrenched themselves across town including in one of the largest fallout shelters of the Cold War era, and needlessly engaged in a hopeless protracted battle which was evidently lost from the outset, similar to the Wehrmacht's 1945 defence of Berlin.

from their black see fleet only some boat remain .

One major combat vessel sunk, the rest were mostly patrol boats and utility craft. Nothing much to write home about.

their ammo depot are blown one by one , their aircraft are blown on the ground deep inside Russia . their troops are dying ...

And Ukrainian losses exceed Russian ones by several orders of magnitude.

and about Ukrainian can't be produced , what about mercenaries ?

Hahaha, what an audacious idea, NATO sending hundreds or even tens of thousands of western mercenaries to step in for fallen Ukrainian army personnel. If they dare take such a step, Russia will escalate forcefully and it has many still unused options to hurt NATO and western interests.

it seems you don't see the sign of fall of an empire. russia is no economical power house , their military performance lackluster , their political might so so .

Russia is falling... one needs to be taking western narratives at face value to reach this type of conclusion.

those uav grabbed videos are pittance compared to the amount of artillery fire Russia deliver on daily bases

Not every strike is filmed, not every UAV recording is published.

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If Ayatollah Khomeini were still alive and read all this, he would recoil in disgust.

The slogan is "Neither East nor West". Please, stop trying to cover Moscow's failures with a fig leaf by pasting essays full of nonsensical statements in their defence.

I'd suggest you familiarize yourself a little bit with the meaning of that slogan: the "no East" part was referring to the Soviet Union and its imperialist policies, it's not some sort of a declaration of hostility against Russia regardless of the nature of its political system. With the fall of the USSR, ties between Iran and the Russian Federation experienced a reset and entered an era of gradually expanding cooperation.

In our Supreme Leader's words:

Iran and Russia’s long-term cooperation is greatly, deeply beneficial to both countries. You, Mr. Putin, and our President are people who take action and follow up on it. Thus, cooperation between the two countries should reach a peak in this period.

Key points of meeting with the President of Russia

english.khamenei.ir

Does this sound like how the Leader would talk of a hostile entity (like the two empires implicitly referrenced in "neither East, nor West")?

As for "covering up Moscow's failures" and "essays full of nonsensical statements", I'm yet to to read your "expert" analysis about the supposed military feats of the zio-American proxy army in Ukraine.

It's not our war and it won't see the russian regime collapse. The same goes for the taiwan standoff where you're fond of waving beijing's banner.

Any steback for NATO is in Iran's interest. Any move by independent emerging powers against the US empire as well.

Stoking russophobia and sinophobia amongst Iranians is what the zionists, Americans, their liberal fifth column in Iran as well as the exiled opposition are busy attempting. Thus counter-narratives are required in order to neutralize it.

They're both nations which wouldn't throw Tehran a life-jacket if it was sinking. Treat them as a business partner and an arms/technology vendor, no more and no less. If they happen to hurt zogmutts and kikeroaches in the course of their politics, it's a bonus.

Iran is interested in establishing strategic partnerships with both Moscow and Beijing.

Iranian-Russian military alliance in the Syrian theater didn't look like a strictly business-oriented endeavour either.