Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official

[yyetttt]

^ All military equipment from the 60's or ripoffs from Russians.

 

[Sasquatch]

USA invading Iran will NATO join them if they do ? Iran is going to be a much harder then Iraq however the USA could destroy both the Iranian Navy and Iranian Air-force they will need to have strong air defenses , Ground Invasion however will be much harder now a country will 80 million people, they fought of Saddam Hussein much superior force, invasion would just Unite the Iranian people to fought off the USA, also How many troops Would it take to hold Iran ?

 

[Harry_Thomason]

USA invading Iran will NATO join them if they do ?

My guess is US will do everything they can to involve NATO, UK already itching to join.

Ground Invasion however will be much harder now a country will 80 million people, they fought of Saddam Hussein much superior force, invasion would just Unite the Iranian people to fought off the USA, also How many troops Would it take to hold Iran ?

Even if NATO sends they full forces, they wouldnt be able to keep Iran for very long, - war cost would bankrupt many countries, massive casualties would enrage people of attacking countries, etc. Vietnam would look like walk in the park compared to Iran IMO.

 

[Sasquatch]

My guess is US will do everything they can to involve NATO, UK already itching to join.


Even if NATO sends they full forces, they wouldnt be able to keep Iran for very long, - war cost would bankrupt many countries, massive casualties would enrage people of attacking countries, etc. Vietnam would look like walk in the park compared to Iran IMO.

USA and UK ?

NATO sending their full forces won't happen unless their losing maybe, Vietnam received help from both the USSR and us, the amount of aid sent to Vietnam was huge , if Russia and China supply Iran weapons it will be limited, However I agree Cost of the war with Iran will be bad.

 

[Safriz]

I dont thinl UK will participate in any war..they have a
massive problem to deal with at home..Scotland will break away as early as next year..

 

[pmukherjee]

Your first mistake - assuming Iran would launch a missile here and there only, thats not how it works, and thats not what Iran is preparing for (if they would be capable of only that - it would be a major failure of their strategy).

In other words - look up Millennium Challenge 2002. Van Riper equipped with a crap and employing Iranian strategy sunk entire US Navy fleet. Still think only China and Russia capable of it?

Then imagine what can do over 2000 speedboats equipped with missiles + trucks on land with more powerful cruise and ballistic missiles + over 20 subs + mines. Surely it will be hard to coordinate and time everything, thats why Iranians are doing drills over and over again, while constantly improving their tech.


Of course it would be all out war, or you think Iran is sinking US Navy ships for the fun? And again - if war starts and US warships are anywhere near Iran, most of them (if not all) wont survive till war ends, common sense.

I have read about that exercise. The reason that Gen Van Ripper was not permitted to operate the way he wanted to the extent he wanted and the reason no Red Land commander across the world is ever permitted to run wild is very simple. The Red Land commanders are ultimately Blue land commanders and have spend an entire career in the Blue land. They therefore know the Blue Land inside out and know of all the strengths, weaknesses, grey areas and blind spots. This gives them a totally unfair advantage over Blue Land. This is not peculiar to the USA. all armies constrain their Red Land commanders to various degrees. The idea is to balance out the wargame and not allow it to be a one sided affair by giving too much advantage to one side. Otherwise the wargame will soon degenerate into total uncontrolled chaos.

 

[Zarvan]

Iranian Navy in weapons number and quality yes the are not the match to USA power but the Taliban had far far far far less power but what they and Iran have common is they are ready to fight till their last drop of Blood and are ready to sacrifice everything for their nation and GOD

 

[yyetttt]

^ Calm down, bro.

 

[rcrmj]

why saying obvious things``which country's navy can match USA's?

 

[SinoChallenger]

You can't close a water channel with artillery and rockets. Probability of the artillery shells or rockets hitting moving targets in the channel are very bleak. Moreover, it is very easy to neutralise those guns/batteries. The only option Iran has of closing the Strait of Hormuz is by carrying out extensive mining, it is too late for that now. The other way is to actually sink one or two merchant ships using whatever means thereby scaring away other merchant ships/oil tankers. This will not only antagonise all remaining friends of Iran but can be negated very easily by the USN in the area.

Yes you can. Ever heard of coastal cannon batteries against ships? This was the way things were done from 17th century to WW2, before anti-ship missiles were invented.

You use your binoculars to spot the ships and order artillery to do their job. 45 km out is doable. Artillery shells would rip through unarmored civilian ships easily. Of course, USN would not be so close to Iranian shores, they would launch missile and air strikes from Gulf of Oman.

 

[pmukherjee]

Yes you can. Ever heard of coastal cannon batteries against ships? This was the way things were done from 17th century to WW2, before anti-ship missiles were invented.

You use your binoculars to spot the ships and order artillery to do their job. 45 km out is doable. Artillery shells would rip through unarmored civilian ships easily. Of course, USN would not be so close to Iranian shores, they would launch missile and air strikes from Gulf of Oman.

Look friend, you are talking of 16 inch naval guns shooting across very narrow channels like the Gibraltar or the Suez. Those were the guns destroyed by Gregory Peck and friends in The Guns of Navarone. They do not make these guns anymore. We were talking of artillery and rockets here which do not include 16 inch naval guns last seen 70 years ago. Such guns could never block a channel as wide as the Hormuz. Moreover, knocking out the gun emplacement would be easier said than done, any warship would do so with the first salvo itself.

 

[boris]

The opposite is true, US never ever allows to be defeated in practices, even if they have to fake the outcome. Thats their mentality. Look up Van Riper's commentary, he was disgusted with US faking the results of exercise.

About "propensity to show their adversary as tough" few US officials do that, and when they do, its to justify war against that adversary. For example, Iran is shown as the evil menace who can take down the World, thats why "Iran has to be attacked first". But when they speak how long it would take to defeat Iran, its "few weeks tops" (or look what US fanboys say here ). Its politics. Some dare to speak of the actual consequences of the war, but they are the minority.


When you look for examples, pick those who have some similarities, Iran and Iraq in this case have nothing in common.

Here is example with at least some use - 2006 Lebanon war. Would you agree Israel has one of the best militaries in the World? Hezzbolah is just 1000 members and 6000 volunteers, trained and armed by Iranians. War happened in a relatively small area, and still Israel couldnt do anything, despite huge disparity in power. Why? Good training, Iranian weapons appeared to be pretty good, and they fought with a great spirit on their homeland.

Surely US has much greater arsenal of weapons compared to Israel, but same can be said about Iran. Israel couldnt defeat few thousand people, yet Iran has over million trained soldiers, over 12 mln. trained volunteers, with a vast and extensive stockpile (spread everywhere) of weapons for guerrilla warfare. Whole NATO forces cant beat ~15.000 cavemans in Afghanistan (who control 50-70% of territory), and yet some under illusion US would beat millions dedicated and well armed Iranians on their home turf in guerrilla war? Not going to happen, period.

I am sick and tired of the Afghan Caveman theory.Please read about Unconventional Warfare,Mindset of Islamic terrorism.

 

[AUz]

I am sick and tired of the Afghan Caveman theory.Please read about Unconventional Warfare,Mindset of Islamic terrorism.

Honey its called Asymmetric warfare and its not any "mindset" of 'Islamic' terrorists but this strategy is ALWAYS deployed by the weak force (not military).

Vietnam vs US ?

 

[DV RULES]

Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official

According to a high-ranking Russian naval official, the combat potential of a US naval group that has entered the Strait of Hormuz is more powerful than the Iranian Navy and coastal forces in the region.
“The Iranian Navy's combat resources are incomparable with the potential of the US aircraft carrier group that has entered the Strait of Hormuz and are incapable of opposing it. No, certainly no," Deputy Navy Commander Adm. Ivan Kapitanets told Interfax on Thursday.
The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis and escort ships have entered the area of an Iranian naval exercise east of the Strait of Hormuz.
Kapitanets said the US naval force would “smash” the Iranian coastal installations.
“The Iranian Navy is coastal and can protect the country's interests in the coastal waters. As for the Americans, they have full-scale oceanic naval forces,” the Russian naval commander said. “Therefore, there can be no comparison here. An aircraft carrier with its deck fighters and escort ships can smash Iranian coastal installations and surface ships.”
The Iranian naval commander disagrees.
Seyyed Mahmoud Musavi, the Iranian Navy’s deputy commander for operations, said that the Iranian Navy was ready to confront foreign naval groups that could enter the area of its military exercises, where it is holding maneuvers.
Despite the tense situation and militant rhetoric on both sides, Kapitanets believes both sides will show restraint.
"The US's actions are certainly provocative, but the matter is unlikely to go as far as direct military confrontation,” he said. “Certainly, the situation in the region is very complicated, but it is unlikely to grow into military actions.”
The Iranians say the exercises are within the norms of international law and should be respected.
"We are ready to confront the violators who disregard the security perimeters set for the drills in line with international law," Musavi said.

Iranian Navy no match for US battle group - Russian military official — RT

hmmm, Indirectly offering Russian navy presence
Not a good idea.

 

[Awesome]

Employing remote triggers Naval Mines all around the strait of Hormuz can be Iran's best deterrent. Deploy them and keep them switched off till the USN ACG approaches.