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[TheImmortal]

There was Ghader unveiled some years back and it is possible they have been deployed as they look like the Noor (c-802) just longer. I think its box launcher has a bulge at the tip distinguishing it from a Noor canister.

Every military video I have seen they are sea skimming missiles which makes them susceptible to CWIS. Now a days you have CMs that sea skim till they reach the target than shoot up to avoid the CWIS and attack top Down.

I suspect the Houthis operation was really a Quds force operation to gauge a US warship response to 2 C-802 launches as a intelligence gathering feature.

I guess we will have to wait till the Iranian supersonic anti ship missiles get unveiled. At this time it seems CMs based on C-802 are the backbone of naval fleet.

 

[WudangMaster]

Every military video I have seen they are sea skimming missiles which makes them susceptible to CWIS. Now a days you have CMs that sea skim till they reach the target than shoot up to avoid the CWIS and attack top Down.

I suspect the Houthis operation was really a Quds force operation to gauge a US warship response to 2 C-802 launches as a intelligence gathering feature.

I guess we will have to wait till the Iranian supersonic anti ship missiles get unveiled. At this time it seems CMs based on C-802 are the backbone of naval fleet.

They have been in production for some time and there is probably a sizeable stock pile of them. I think Ghader also operates in the same way as Noor, except with a longer range. They might still have to use them, but layered with something else to first exhaust defense systems or they might used in a different capacity. It doesn't seem they can be upgraded and improved the same way that the Shahabs evolved in Qadr and Qiam, though I could be wrong about that and maybe they can be upgraded to supersonic capability? Would the fuselage have to change as well or would a more powerful engine suffice to turn a Noor or Ghader supersonic?

 

[TheImmortal]

They have been in production for some time and there is probably a sizeable stock pile of them. I think Ghader also operates in the same way as Noor, except with a longer range. They might still have to use them, but layered with something else to first exhaust defense systems or they might used in a different capacity. It doesn't seem they can be upgraded and improved the same way that the Shahabs evolved in Qadr and Qiam, though I could be wrong about that and maybe they can be upgraded to supersonic capability? Would the fuselage have to change as well or would a more powerful engine suffice to turn a Noor or Ghader supersonic?

Only so much improvement you can make to a C-802 design. As for supersonic capability it would need a whole new engine which Iran has yet to unveil to my knowledge.

Iran has already shown of it’s version of “stealth” cruise missile with a very low RCS, so the next step would be to either make a subsonic or supersonic naval version of that.

Iran is a bit beyond in this field as leading countries are turning to hypersonic CMs. So a supersonic CM is long overdue. Especially to equip your next gen warships like Solemani and future destroyer class need more potent and deadly weapons.

 

[Messerschmitt]

I’m surprised after all these years Iran hasnt Unveiled a more advanced next gen subsonic naval anti ship CM.

An Iranian Kalibr/YJ-18 equivalent (including land-attack variants) would be a good candidate for this, in my opinion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1387165674448068609

 

[Menschmaschine]

Iran really needs to upgrade its CM. C-802 is not deadly enough. Houthis fired a couple at US destroyer in Red Sea and it defended against both of Them during Obama admin. Now one can only theorize what Houthi’s C-802 had vs Iranian C-802 in terms of capability to avoid detection.


I’m surprised after all these years Iran hasnt Unveiled a more advanced next gen subsonic naval anti ship CM.

Not arguing with the general need for more advanced antiship missiles, but the concrete case does not prove much. One of the two missiles supposedly fired at the USS Mason fell into the water from itself, it is not clear whether this was also the case with the second one or if defensive measures by the ship had something to do with it:

USS Mason Fired 3 Missiles to Defend From Yemen Cruise Missiles Attack

The crew of guided-missile destroyer USS Mason fired three missiles to defend themselves and another ship after being attacked on Sunday in the Red Sea

news.usni.org

Note also that the Houthis have denied to have fired any missiles at the ship. It is therefore possible that this was only a Gulf of Tonkin style propaganda fake to have an excuse for the participation of the US Navy in the blockade of Yemen.

 

[TheImmortal]

Not arguing with the general need for more advanced antiship missiles, but the concrete case does not prove much. One of the two missiles supposedly fired at the USS Mason fell into the water from itself, it is not clear whether this was also the case with the second one or if defensive measures by the ship had something to do with it:

USS Mason Fired 3 Missiles to Defend From Yemen Cruise Missiles Attack

The crew of guided-missile destroyer USS Mason fired three missiles to defend themselves and another ship after being attacked on Sunday in the Red Sea

news.usni.org

Note also that the Houthis have denied to have fired any missiles at the ship. It is therefore possible that this was only a Gulf of Tonkin style propaganda fake to have an excuse for the participation of the US Navy in the blockade of Yemen.

Early indications are Solemani will have a 4 C-802 launchers a very sub par amount of firepower.

Sub-sonic missiles can work in a swarm attack, but one v one type warfare a ship needs deadlier missiles. C-802 is a C-802 just like an S-200 is an S-200. Upgrades can be made to be more EW resistance or more accurate. But the physics of the missile cannot change much.

It’s about time Iran unveils something in this field as we haven’t seen anti-ship not based on Chinese C family of missiles at all.

As for your theory of it being a excuse it lacks any and all merit. US does not need excuses to take whatever action it does. Solemani assassination firmly showed that UN law does not apply to US and it can do what it wants.

 

[Menschmaschine]

Early indications are Solemani will have a 4 C-802 launchers a very sub par amount of firepower.

Sub-sonic missiles can work in a swarm attack, but one v one type warfare a ship needs deadlier missiles. C-802 is a C-802 just like an S-200 is an S-200. Upgrades can be made to be more EW resistance or more accurate. But the physics of the missile cannot change much.

It’s about time Iran unveils something in this field as we haven’t seen anti-ship not based on Chinese C family of missiles at all.

Well, there is the long range anti-ship variant of the Soumar cruise missile family and it has been announced that the development of a Kalibr/YJ-18 style cruise missile with supersonic end stage is under way. Let's see.

As for your theory of it being a excuse it lacks any and all merit. US does not need excuses to take whatever action it does. Solemani assassination firmly showed that UN law does not apply to US and it can do what it wants.

In principle, you are of course right, but regarding Saudi Arabia and its war in Yemen there has been a bit of "Human Rights" virtue signaling, even if entirely hypocritical and ineffective. My theory as to why this this is allowed is that it is considered a useful means of signalling to Saudi Arabia to stay in line; Whereas the other GCC statelets are guaranteed to remain faithful US vassals simply because of the fact that they are so small and not survivable without a "protector", Saudi Arabia is big enough that at least in principle it could play a more independent role.

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1387441923888136201

 

[sahureka2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1387441923888136201

However this photo is not recent, mast are more incomplete than what we have seen recently as well.
And currently is in the floating dock

 

[WudangMaster]

 

[sahureka2]

the images taken during the recent naval exercises with the Russian navy show the Nagdhi 82 which is without the Twin 40 / 56mm Mark I, is there any news if it will be reinstalled or if it is planned to be replaced, for example with the CIwS Kamand?

 

[xbat]

quando l'iran ritirerà queste antiche navi

 

[sahureka2]

quando l'iran ritirerà queste antiche navi
"when iran withdraws these ancient ships"

probably when Iran has a sufficient number of new corvettes / frigates.
However, these old ladies of the sea have shown and still demonstrate that they carry out missions very well even far from the maritime borders of Iran.
They are ships undergoing extensive repair and modernization works that will extend their operational life and I think that when in the future they are replaced in the fleet by new ships, the 2 Bayandor-class corvettes could still perform other missions as Patrol Vessel and also as a training ship .

 

[Muhammed45]

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[Messerschmitt]

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