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its new, and its armed, looks like it has a radar too

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It looks larger than the ones IRGC showed back around 2006, I remember there was debate in the old forum as to whether the older ones could fire weapons due to film footage of its unveiling being edited to looking like it could; problem is the size of the older variant would be challenged to carry fire any ordinance heavier than rpg. These look much heavier, though I have not seen an official one yet.
In fact, I thought this model was of the older version until I saw this close up pic looking bigger and better than the older version.
 
It looks larger than the ones IRGC showed back around 2006, I remember there was debate in the old forum as to whether the older ones could fire weapons due to film footage of its unveiling being edited to looking like it could; problem is the size of the older variant would be challenged to carry fire any ordinance heavier than rpg. These look much heavier, though I have not seen an official one yet.
In fact, I thought this model was of the older version until I saw this close up pic looking bigger and better than the older version.
agreed maybe a new and more powerful Iranian made turboprop engine is installed , we will get a better look when its unveiled, there was some new footage of shahed-129 too
 
Every other aircraft in that line up of maquettes is a real endeavour with a tangible result, so I can safely assume the same could apply to the bigger flying boat.
 
How advanced is Iran's ability to manufacture and develop Frigates and Corvettes?
And how would you compare it to let's say the FREMM Bergamini or Gowind-Class Corvette?
 
How advanced is Iran's ability to manufacture and develop Frigates and Corvettes?
And how would you compare it to let's say the FREMM Bergamini or Gowind-Class Corvette?

Frigates and corvette class sized vessels have been made by Iran for many years now. And when I say made, I mean even the engines etc are produced by Iran itself. Iran is now working on destroyers, one of these projects will be a 7000+ ton ship.
 
How advanced is Iran's ability to manufacture and develop Frigates and Corvettes?
And how would you compare it to let's say the FREMM Bergamini or Gowind-Class Corvette?

well Iran was not good until last couple of years we had the ability to build them but we didn't had the technology but now we have it so for 7000 tons Iran will give you a better destroyer then FREMM Bergamini with the maybe half the price but it will take more time time to build it , the important part is that Iran can make it customizable for each country as it doesn't have the restrictions that big powers like France has like in range of weapons ( different kind of weapons it can install ) and material it uses


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for instance for 7000-8000 tons Iran can add several CIWS and stealth over the horizon surveillance / attack drones 2000 km range or cruise missile air defense system for easy targets that are to far to hit them with CIWS and to cheap to hit them with expensive missile



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Its images like these which show us just how far iran has come militarily in the last 40 years.
It also shows that the desire to experiment with,and to indigenously develop and improve irans existing weapons dates back all the way to the iran-iraq war.It naturally also makes one wonder just what sort of a military and its resulting military industrial complex iran would have today if the iran-iraq war had never happened.
 
Seems the Americans are working on a new submarine detection tchnique.

Submarines May Have Nowhere To Hide With U.S. Navy Set To Field Radical New Radar


Also, for those interested, here is an article on a very interesting rumoured soviet method of detecting submarines called SOKS:

How the Soviet Union Snooped Waters for Enemy Subs—Without Sonar

Newly declassified documents show that even the most secretive submarines leave a trail.

In the late 1980s, the Soviet Union claimed a feat many military experts thought impossible. K-147, a Victor-class nuclear-powered attack submarine, secretly followed the trail of a U.S. boomer (most likely the USS Simon Bolivar) in an underwater game of chase that continued for six days.

U.S. observers at the time thought the Soviets lacked the tech for effective sonar, at least in comparison to the capabilities of the U.S. and its NATO allies. Now, a newly declassified CIA report shows how hunter submarines like the K-147 went on secret missions to track American subs without using sonar at all.



The CIA's Directorate of Science & Technology produced the report onSoviet Antisubmarine Warfare Capability in 1972, but it was declassified only this summer. Even forty-five years on, lines, paragraphs, and even whole pages are redacted. A lengthy portion about Soviet technology under development gives details never previously revealed about devices with no Western equivalents. While NATO were concentrating almost all their efforts on sonar, the Russians created something else entirely.

Why Sonar Is King
Seawater blocks radio waves. So radar, while effective on the surface, is useless underwater. Sound waves, on the other hand, travel better through water than they do through air, and as early as WWI they were put to work finding submarines.

Sonar comes in two basic types. There's active sonar, which sends out 'pings' that are reflected by the target, making it an underwater version of radar. Passive sonar, on the other hand, is based on sensitive listening devices that can pick up sound from a sub's engines or propeller—and unlike active sonar, it does not give away your position. Depending on conditions, sonar can find a submarine from many miles away and in any direction.

The U.S. and its allies developed sophisticated sonar systems, which soon became so effective that other methods of detection were left behind or forgotten. For decades, non-acoustic methods were considered inferior for being limited in range and reliability compared to sonar. "It is unlikely any of these methods will enable detection of submarines at long ranges," concludes a 1974 intelligence report.



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In the USSR, it was a different story. The Soviets were hampered by primitive electronics and struggled to make sonar work at all. So instead they developed other weirdly clever means of submarine detection.

Enter SOKS
On such method highlighted in the report is the Soviet's mysterious SOKS, which stands for "System Obnarujenia Kilvaternovo Sleda" or "wake object detection system." This device, fitted to Russian attack submarines, tracks the wake a submarine leaves behind. SOKS is actually visible in photos of Russian subs as a series of spikes and cups mounted on external fins.



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The Soviet claim of following subs without sonar sounded like typical Russian bluster, but without knowing how (or whether) SOKS worked, a realistic assessment was impossible. The Pentagon has classified this entire area of research and scientists simply didn't talk about it. Rumors out of Russia about SOKS have been inconsistent and often contradictory, with some saying SOKS measured changes in water density, or detected radiation, or even used a laser sensor.

What the West knew for sure was that SOKS gear first appeared on K-14, a November-class sub, in 1969. Since then, subsequent versions with codenames like Colossus, Toucan, and Bullfinch have appeared on every new generation of Soviet and Russian attack submarines, including the currentAkula and forthcomingYasen class.

According to these newly declassified documents, the old rumors were accurate in one way – the Soviets did not develop just one device, but several. One instrument picked up "activation radionuclides," a faint trail left by the radiation from the sub's onboard nuclear power plant. Another tool was a "gamma ray spectrometer" that detects trace amounts of radioactive elements in seawater.



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"The Soviets had reportedly had success detecting their own nuclear submarines [several words redacted] with such a system," the document says.

The report also describes how submarines leave behind a cocktail of chemicals in their wake.Sacrificial anodes that prevent corrosion leave a trail of zinc in the water. Minute particles of nickel flake off the pipes circulating seawater to cool the reactor. The system that makes oxygen for the crew leaves behind hydrogen that's still detectable when dissolved in seawater. Together these chemical traces may measure only a few tenths of a part per billion, but sophisticated equipment can find them.

And as you'd expect, a nuclear reactor also leaves behind tons of heat. According to the report, a large nuclear submarine requires "several thousand gallons of coolant a minute". This water, used to take heat from the reactor, may be 10 degrees Celsius warmer than the surrounding seawater, creating a change in the water's refractive index—a change that's detectable with an optical interference system.

And the Soviets did exactly that.

"A localization system based on this technique, capable of detecting wakes up to several hours after the passage of a submarine, could theoretically be built now," says the report, though it was not known for sure if the Russians had done so.

Separating Fact From Fiction
While many of these techniques had been suggested before, there was no indication of which ones were theoretical and which ones were actually used.

"This report lends a lot of credibility to submarine detection systems that many still believe are little more than myths," defense analyst Jacob Gunnarson told Popular Mechanics. Previously, a 1994 U.S. study found it doubtful whether submarine wakes could be detected, stating that "whether or not hydrodynamic phenomena are exploitable is open to question."



"THIS REPORT LENDS A LOT OF CREDIBILITY TO SUBMARINE DETECTION SYSTEMS THAT MANY STILL BELIEVE ARE LITTLE MORE THAN MYTHS."


The sensors would not simply say "here is a sub," but would generate a stream of numerical data. Picking out the signature of a submarine from the background noise in the data takes some computing power, and the report notes that, in the 70s, the Soviets were far behind in this area. These days the Russians can acquire commercial machines thousands of times more powerful than any they had then, and that may have given SOKS a major boost.

The report shows that even in 1972 intelligence agencies were aware of how U.S. subs might be tracked. Countermeasures surely would have been put in place since then, such as reducing the chemical and radioactive trails, which is probably why it took 45 years for this document to be brought to light.

Still, new versions of these technologies are far more capable than their water-snooping forebears. Recent scientific papers suggest the Chinese are now investigating new submarine tech, and even the U.S. Navy and DARPA have started to take an interest in wake tracking, suggesting that the tech isn't quite as inferior as previously thought.

Whether Russians can still stealthily follow submarines, or if the U.S. found a way to foil them, is impossible to know. We'll probably have to wait another 45 years for the [heavily redacted] answer.

 

Omg....please tell me this is a joke...

A civilian type vessel mildly retrofitted to accommodate already produced military equipment, without any visible CIWS? I mean it's literally a flat deck with a bunch of various stuff on it, and that's it? They just placed the boats there and a Third of Khordad smack-dab in the middle?

Is this supposed to be some sort of multi-role ship?

Been a while since the IRGC released something this horrendous.
 

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