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[TheImmortal]

Heavy ships can not enter Persian gulf without going through Iranian waters (North of Bu-musa island), and in other parts of the gulf there are narrow lanes deep enough to allow US ships dock at some ports. that's why it's said that their ships can't maneuver in Persian gulf.

Mohsen did you already forget the 2009 speedboat incident? Why do you think Iran seized the speedboats? Iran claimed that they entered Iranian territorial waters, US denied it until gps showed they drifted into Iranian waters. If “right of waterway” usage is available to all ships, then why would Iran seize them? (Look at the area of seizure).

You are confusing civilian shipping lanes set up to prevent accidents and traffic with routes military ships can take. Literally every waterway and airway has designated air lanes for civilian traffic. It’s to prevent accidents and misidentification as well as simple efficiency.

Lastly look at all these western and Arabian naval stations in “shallow” water of 25-30 meters.

So unless these navy ships magically teleport from “deep” Iranian waters to dock at them, they can indeed travel just fine in lower waters.

Ever since Iran start seizing several western tankers, they too have also started avoiding transiting Iranian waters.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707837590643110074

 

[mohsen]

Mohsen did you already forget the 2009 speedboat incident? Why do you think Iran seized the speedboats? Iran claimed that they entered Iranian territorial waters, US denied it until gps showed they drifted into Iranian waters. If “right of waterway” usage is available to all ships, then why would Iran seize them? (Look at the area of seizure).

You are confusing civilian shipping lanes set up to prevent accidents and traffic with routes military ships can take. Literally every waterway and airway has designated air lanes for civilian traffic. It’s to prevent accidents and misidentification as well as simple efficiency.

Lastly look at all these western and Arabian naval stations in “shallow” water of 25-30 meters.

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So unless these navy ships magically teleport from “deep” Iranian waters to dock at them, they can indeed travel just fine in lower waters.

Ever since Iran start seizing several western tankers, they too have also started avoiding transiting Iranian waters.

Iranian commanders confirm the passage of American military ships through our waters (north of Bu-musa island), it's nothing to argue about. though neither Iran nor US aren't a signatory of 1982 treaty, we implement it voluntary till it's in our interest.

"transit passage" doesn't mean you can enter wherever part of another country's territorial waters, routes and conditions are predefined, so "transit passage" right didn't apply to those American boats.

See the following smart-arse American tanker which has ignored shipping lanes to avoid Iranian waters, (think of it as a military ship) and notice how inevitably it has forced to pass through our waters south of Bu-musa island, we wont allow such passage to US military ships.

And yes, there are many ports, and also many lanes, the same way there are many type/tonnage of ships.

 

[TheImmortal]

it has forced to pass through our waters south of Bu-musa island, we wont allow such passage to US military ships.

What are you going to do? Sink a US aircraft carrier? China said the same thing regarding identification zone in South China Sea. US routinely violates it.

Unless something changed UN sees Abu Musa as disputed. Even the MoU of 1971 by Shah gov does not claim any sovereignty over the islands.

Thus Iran has no legal territorial claims to its extending shelf. Hence why US navy ships can get close to that island. Legally Iran’s claim to sovereignty has not been recognized by the UN - it’s under dispute with UAE. Thus its surrounding waters are also under dispute. Again just like the South China Sea issue.

Lastly an aircraft carrier has a draft of <40ft the shallow lanes in PG are 80-90 ft. So yes an aircraft carrier can safely navigate around Iranian waters. US Destroyers can do even less = 30Ft. And lastly an LCS ship can do even less than 15ft, hence why it was made - for tighter shallower waters and getting closer to enemy shoreline without ending up like Damavand.

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1708146566727442839

 

[Messerschmitt]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1708385642772566168

 

[Flotilla]

Iran Navy to take delivery of new homegrown destroyer soon: Commander

Rear Admiral Shahram Irani says the Iranian Navy will soon take delivery of the domestically-designed and manufactured Deylaman destroyer.

www.presstv.ir

AFAIK the only frigate near to completion was Talaiyeh. So assuming Rear Admiral Shahram Irani is talking about Talaiyeh now dubbed "Deylaman", it will be a great addition to IRIN.

How many years this frigate has been in construction?. 8?.
Damavand 2 was much build much faster. And by far it is the most advance of the class. Seems necessary to make Damavand 2 the real Standard in the IRIN for some 3 or 4 more units.

And after them jump to a bigger and newer class.

 

[TheImmortal]

AFAIK the only frigate near to completion was Talaiyeh. So assuming Rear Admiral Shahram Irani is talking about Talaiyeh now dubbed "Deylaman", it will be a great addition to IRIN.

Talayieh is now known as Shiraz. Deylaman could be Taftan.

Dena—Talayieh (Shiraz) —Taftan. These 3 were all laid down right after one another. Shiraz flipped over end of 2021 in the shipyard. Taftan should be close to ready since It’s been about 6 years. Iran usually takes 6-7 years to finish a Mowj including the sea trials.

Meanwhile China builds a cruiser size vessel in 3 years. Built 83 Solemani class vessels in just 8 years. Has 17 shipyards building ships 24 hours/day (three 8 hour shifts) 365 days/year (yes you read that right). No holiday for them.

One Chinese shipyard alone builds 16 naval ships at the same time. They are even building a carrier vessel shipyard that will allow 2 Carriers vessel to be built at the same time. Quite impressive.

Obviously Iran cannot hope to match that rate of production (Chinese military budget is $225B+). But there is alot of room for improvement to at least not be on the opposite end of spectrum.

 

[Iranian_Patriot]

It's the same everywhere, I heard China builds the equivalent of the French navy every 3 years. French themselves say they can never cope with Chinese production rates...

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran Navy to take delivery of new homegrown destroyer soon: Commander

Rear Admiral Shahram Irani says the Iranian Navy will soon take delivery of the domestically-designed and manufactured Deylaman destroyer.

www.presstv.ir

AFAIK the only frigate near to completion was Talaiyeh. So assuming Rear Admiral Shahram Irani is talking about Talaiyeh now dubbed "Deylaman", it will be a great addition to IRIN.

How many years this frigate has been in construction?. 8?.
Damavand 2 was much build much faster. And by far it is the most advance of the class. Seems necessary to make Damavand 2 the real Standard in the IRIN for some 3 or 4 more units.

And after them jump to a bigger and newer class.

no after Talayeh the book of Mowdge class will be closed (thank God) and they start newer design, before that we will see Taftan, probably

 

[mohsen]

Iran Navy to take delivery of new homegrown destroyer soon: Commander

Rear Admiral Shahram Irani says the Iranian Navy will soon take delivery of the domestically-designed and manufactured Deylaman destroyer.

www.presstv.ir

AFAIK the only frigate near to completion was Talaiyeh. So assuming Rear Admiral Shahram Irani is talking about Talaiyeh now dubbed "Deylaman", it will be a great addition to IRIN.

How many years this frigate has been in construction?. 8?.
Damavand 2 was much build much faster. And by far it is the most advance of the class. Seems necessary to make Damavand 2 the real Standard in the IRIN for some 3 or 4 more units.

And after them jump to a bigger and newer class.

He said it's ready to join in Anzali port, so most probably Damavand-2 is renamed!

 

[mohsen]

no after Talayeh the book of Mowdge class will be closed (thank God) and they start newer design, before that we will see Taftan, probably

Gen. Irani: Many countries have requested to acquire the Dena class destroyer.

امیر ایرانی: قطب جنوب بهترین مقر برای کنترل موشکهای بالستیک است/کشورهای زیادی خواهان ناوشکن کلاس دنا هستند- اخبار نظامی | دفاعی | امنیتی - اخبار سیاسی تسنیم | Tasnim

 

[TheImmortal]

Gen. Irani: Many countries have requested to acquire the Dena class destroyer.

امیر ایرانی: قطب جنوب بهترین مقر برای کنترل موشکهای بالستیک است/کشورهای زیادی خواهان ناوشکن کلاس دنا هستند- اخبار نظامی | دفاعی | امنیتی - اخبار سیاسی تسنیم | Tasnim

 

[Hack-Hook]

Gen. Irani: Many countries have requested to acquire the Dena class destroyer.

امیر ایرانی: قطب جنوب بهترین مقر برای کنترل موشکهای بالستیک است/کشورهای زیادی خواهان ناوشکن کلاس دنا هستند- اخبار نظامی | دفاعی | امنیتی - اخبار سیاسی تسنیم | Tasnim

for what ? their coastal guard, to fight smuggler and pirates.
did he name some of those countries ?

 

[RΛIDEN]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1707837590643110074

I think we have our answer, @jauk
The mystery surrounding the number of Z boats delivered to Venezuela. 7 confirmed delivery.
A logical first step before joint production.