Iranian forces fire mortar shells across Pakistan’s border

[mangekyo]

we should and will do it . we cant afford hundred of kulbhushan yadavs sneaking in from Iranian territory .

Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who believes Iran and India is secretly working together to spy on Pakistan?

 

[mike2000 is back]

To please the Shia Irani haters I have got a better proposal. We at PDF suggest GHQ to even move IV Corps from Lahore to the Iranian border. With both IV and XXXI Corps parked on the Iranian border those mullahs in Tehran will get the message.

In the meantime somebody please phone Modee Jee to place the 'Cold Start' doctrine against Pakistan on hold and send the Indian Army on Lahore/Bahawalpur sector on holiday.

My revised plan of moving two PA corps from Indian border to Iranian border to deal with Iranian Shia shelling of Pakistan territory for Gen. Bajwa and GHQ to look at. I reckon I am a better military planner than Pakistan Army General Headquarters? I address the real threat. Shia Iranis and their shelling.

Funny enough I agree with your sarcastic post mocking those Pakistanis who are angry with Iran for bombing their territory. Lol
The thing is, unfortunately for Pakistan it has become a haven for islamic extremist/terrorists and separatists groups that is renowned around the world, not because the Pakistani government support these terror groups per second, but simply because the government doesn't have enough resources to maintain law and other all over the country (including these lawless areas). The terror groups threatening Iran while seeking refuge in Pakistan should be dealt with accordingly. In this respect, Iran is correct, to take any measures inside Pakistani territory to go after any group threatening Iran. Afterall, there is little t nothing Pakistan can do about it and it's not in Pakistan interests to retaliate, since Pakistani forces are already overstretched Manning the afghan and Indian border. So as one Iranian member @Erl said, it's in Pakistan's own interests to ask the Iranian government/military to bomb Pakistani territory where these militants are based, since Iran has more resources and the country enjoys far more stability than Pakistan by a large margin, so Iran has more.means to target/handle such groups. Reapolitik.
So I welcome this move by Iran , any militants group should be targeted anywhere they might hide/seek shelter.

As for the "Indian spy" that was acting through Iran, well it seems to be a complex issue from what I have red so far. However India and Iran have always had closed ties, so I doubt Iran was doing this knowingly though, maybe the "Indian spy" was there for other reasons then to spy on Pakistan, since Iran doesn't have much to benefit from doing so. Pakistan needs to focus on India by itself though, no country will help them do this, the best solution will be for both sides to make peace and recognise the current status quo as something permanent.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Are you one of those conspiracy theorists who believes Iran and India is secretly working together to spy on Pakistan?

I don't know whether India and Iran are cooperating to spy on us or not . but Indian monkey Kalbhushan Yadav is an Indian Naval Intelligence officer and he is man of commander rank in Indian Navy . He was working in Chahbahar in cover of jewellery business . he was caught in Pakistan . one can imagine if India and iran are cooperating or not .

Funny enough I agree with your sarcastic post mocking those Pakistanis who are angry with Iran for bombing their territory. Lol
The thing is, unfortunately for Pakistan it has become a haven for islamic extremist/terrorists and separatists groups that is renowned around the world, not because the Pakistani government support these terror groups per second, but simply because the government doesn't have enough resources to maintain law and other all over the country (including these lawless areas). The terror groups threatening Iran while seeking refuge in Pakistan should be dealt with accordingly. In this respect, Iran is correct, to take any measures inside Pakistani territory to go after any group threatening Iran. Afterall, there is little t nothing Pakistan can do about it and it's not in Pakistan interests to retaliate, since Pakistani forces are already overstretched Manning the afghan and Indian border. So as one Iranian member @Erl said, it's in Pakistan's own interests to ask the Iranian government/military to bomb Pakistani territory where these militants are based, since Iran has more resources and the country enjoys far more stability than Pakistan by a large margin, so Iran has more.means to target/handle such groups. Reapolitik.
So I welcome this move by Iran , any militants group should be targeted anywhere they might hide/seek shelter.

Kalbhushan Yadav was caught in Pakistan while operating from Iranian Chahbahar port. he himself admitted that he had been aiding terrorists in Pakistan . so going by your logic , we can bomb iran . similarly , many blaoch separatists while residing in your country are killing our people and soldiers . Famous terrorist Altaf Hussain is also residing in your country who has killed thousands of our people in Karachi . so going by your logic , UK is also terrorist country and we have right to bomb u . am I right sir ?

 

[mangekyo]

I don't know whether India and Iran are cooperating to spy on us or not . but Indian monkey Kalbhushan Yadav is an Indian Naval Intelligence officer and he is man of commander rank in Indian Navy . He was working in Chahbahar in cover of jewellery business . he was caught in Pakistan . one can imagine if India and iran are cooperating or not .

I am aware of the kulbushan incident. Iranian government had nothing to do with this.


Kalbhushan Yadav was caught in Pakistan while operating from Iranian Chahbahar port. he himself admitted that he had been aiding terrorists in Pakistan . so going by your logic , we can become iran . similarly , many blaoch separatists while residing in your country are killing our people and soldiers . Famous terrorist Altaf Hussain is also residing in your country who has killed thousands of our people in Karachi . so going by your logic , UK is also terrorist country and we have right to bomb u . am I right sir ?

If one day terrorists would continually operate from Iran and kill Pakistani citizens, Pakistani border guards and aid terrorists. Should Pakistan ask Iran to do something to stop this but Iran just ignore Pakistan. Then yes you have the right to bomb us.

 

[salarsikander]

Egoist mentality? Attitude? Do you know how many Iranian border guards have been killed because your government won't do anything to secure its border?

How many ? Still some by some aspects. If your forces can kill few low level scum and get killed by them then you must disband it entirely and set up new force which can fight irregulars rather than backstabbing allies and friends

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

If one day terrorists would continually operate from Iran and kill Pakistani citizens, Pakistani border guards and aid terrorists. Should Pakistan ask Iran to do something to stop this but Iran just ignore Pakistan. Then yes you have the right to bomb us.

kalbhushan Yadav is an terrorist . what u people have done to stop many other indian terrorist like him to create instability in Balochistan .

 

[salarsikander]

Watch those footages, you are confused by khafee and doordie

Not a bad idea, we can smash those terrorists together.

Still no paper showing that pak has allowed iarni scum border guards to kill our FC and shell our borders

Iran has been asking you to protect your border for as long as I can remember so why dont you just place more border guards and some guns and help us defend both our bordes instead of provoking war

Its not credible because I could only find 2 or 3 news sites who reported it but most importantly, I couldn't find any direct contact between Iran and Pakistan regarding the incident. You would expect at least some diplomatic conversation after such an incident if it were true.

So it is not credible? Because shithead mullah channel is not reporting it ?

 

[shahbaz baig]

Still no paper showing that pak has allowed iarni scum border guards to kill our FC and shell our borders


So it is not credible? Because shithead mullah channel is not reporting it ?

Pak iran friendship zindabad. Jalny waly ka mu kala

 

[Baybars Han]

Yes, very funny logic.

Allah chose Arabic language. We (Pakistan) chose Persian for our anthem. We did not have choice with the former. We had choice in 1947 with the latter. Sir Allama Iqbal read the Quran in Arabic but CHOSE to write poetry in Persian. It was elective NOT preordained.

So do try to finesse the differance between ordained and choice.

Persian was used widely in the region just like different languages was used in europe mainly doesnt mean anything to do with persians or iranians.

It is sad to see you people critisize Iran for taking care of a problem we share together only because Iran is shia dominant. If Iran was a sunni country you would bless us for protecting the borders. If Iran was a threat to Pakistan your government would react to Irans actions. Unless you shia haters at this forum have a better intelligence than Pakistans government, if that is the case maybe you should inform your government. Grow up and stop being scared of shias.



Have you ever been to Turkey? I dont mean the airport but the country, do you have any Turkish friends? I have been to Turkey hundreds of times, I speak the language and I have many Turkish friends and family. You are delusional if you think Turkish people in general respect Pakistan at all and why would they? Do you share anything cultural? Do you have anything in common except for being muslim? To the turks eyes you are uncivilised and a terrorist nation just like afghans and "desert arabs" who they call uncivilised dirty traitors. In their eyes they are far superior to you, I believe @Kaptaan covered this well

I dont know where you got this nonsense from. Its totally opposite to reality. Never experienced anyone with those thoughts in my life.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Pak iran friendship zindabad. Jalny waly ka mu kala

oh Bhai , there are no permanent enemies and friends in global affairs . Iran was indeed a true friend of Pakistan during Shah regime but we cant say same right now . this is the mentality which is hurting us . Shias support Iran no matter what bad they do and Sunni also same . we need to change that mentality .

 

[Baybars Han]

Of course people who register at a pakistani defence forum has positive feelings towards pakistan or at least that is what they show, but still to this day I have never in real life met any turkish person who respects pakistan and dont think they are some sort of superior muslim race.

To those calling me a Raw agent: Dont be childish

example go to any university abroad both countries, e.g in europe you will see most Turks are friends with Pakistani's. They bond closely too, which shows they have many things in common. I have personally experienced these too, had many Pakistani friends.

 

[mangekyo]

So it is not credible? Because shithead mullah channel is not reporting it ?

Wtf how retarded are you? I said I couldn't find any direct contact between Iran and Pakistan regarding the incident. You would expect at least some diplomatic conversation after such an incident if it were true.

Are you really this stupid or just trolling?

 

[salarsikander]

Wtf how retarded are you? I said I couldn't find any direct contact between Iran and Pakistan regarding the incident. You would expect at least some diplomatic conversation after such an incident if it were true.

Are you really this stupid or just trolling?

You're just dumb retard a product of mukkah propaganda that's all you're. Last time I gave same evidence to anoyher dumbhead Persian and he asked me to give soldiers name and you were asking for pictures. This is exactky the atttitude that has left you isolated in yhe world

 

[mike2000 is back]

I don't know whether India and Iran are cooperating to spy on us or not . but Indian monkey Kalbhushan Yadav is an Indian Naval Intelligence officer and he is man of commander rank in Indian Navy . He was working in Chahbahar in cover of jewellery business . he was caught in Pakistan . one can imagine if India and iran are cooperating or not .


Kalbhushan Yadav was caught in Pakistan while operating from Iranian Chahbahar port. he himself admitted that he had been aiding terrorists in Pakistan . so going by your logic , we can bomb iran . similarly , many blaoch separatists while residing in your country are killing our people and soldiers . Famous terrorist Altaf Hussain is also residing in your country who has killed thousands of our people in Karachi . so going by your logic , UK is also terrorist country and we have right to bomb u . am I right sir ?

Well, that's different. For one Pakistan doesn't have the means/capability to bomb our country (it barely have the capability to cover/bomb all India who is it's neighbour. Capabilities also matter in such situations. Secondly, the militants Iran has been targeting inside Pakistani territory are mostly those who flee the border from Iran into Pakistan. They are usually being chased all the way into Pakistan. They don't cross the border and run into the U.K .
Moreover, as I said earlier Pakistan can't afford to take on Iran . Pakistan military is already overstretched facing big country like India and Manning afghan border while fighting an internal war against radical islamic groups/terrorists, so any intervention or retaliation against Iran might lead to defeat I'm afraid. Best thing to do is to cooperate with Iran and give them a free reign into Pakistan Baluchistan province so Iran care take care of the situation for both countries sake. Trying to act tough and call on sovereignty issues is meaningless, government that can't fully control their territory with always attract foreign and regional powers intervention to help them sort things out for them( look at Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen as examples ). Thats the sad truth.

So yes , if militants/separatists groups threatening Pakistan also flee into Iran when chased in Pakistan then Pakistan should also take action and bomb them in Iran of Pakistan has the capabilities and can afford to do so which I doubt, since Iran is strong/stable enough not to allow that (or at least take care of things by itself).

 

[mangekyo]

Well, that's different. For one Pakistan doesn't have the means/capability to bomb our country (it barely have the capability to cover/bomb all India who is it's neighbour. Capabilities also matter in such situations. Secondly, the militants Iran has been targeting inside Pakistani territory are mostly those who flee the border from Iran into Pakistan. They are usually being chased all the way into Pakistan. They don't cross the border and run into the U.K .
Moreover, as I said earlier Pakistan can't afford to take on Iran . Pakistan military is already overstretched facing big country like India and Manning afghan border while fighting an internal war against radical islamic groups/terrorists, so any intervention or retaliation against Iran might lead to defeat I'm afraid. Best thing to do is to cooperate with Iran and give them a free reign into Pakistan Baluchistan province so Iran care take care of the situation for both countries sake. Trying to act tough and call on sovereignty issues is meaningless, government that can't fully control their territory with always attract foreign and regional powers intervention to help them sort things out for them. Thats the sad truth.

So yes , if militants/separatists groups threatening Pakistan also flee into Iran when chased in Pakistan then Pakistan should also take action and bomb them in Iran of Pakistan has the capabilities and can afford to do so which I doubt, since Iran is strong/stable enough not to allow that (or at least take care of things by itself).

Exactly, spot on!

You're just dumb retard a product of mukkah propaganda that's all you're. Last time I gave same evidence to anoyher dumbhead Persian and he asked me to give soldiers name and you were asking for pictures. This is exactky the atttitude that has left you isolated in yhe world

Im not persian you retarded inbreed, I say again, I couldn't find any direct contact between Iran and Pakistan regarding the incident. You would expect at least some diplomatic conversation after such an incident if it were true.