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Would you like to draw a distinction, list differences, between the Saudi Kingdom style of governmentg and the Ayatolla theocracy style of government?

The difference is that Saudis blew up the WTC not Iranians. Saudis created Al-Qaeda, Saudis created Taliban, Saudis created ISIL, etc...

Suggesting that Iranian regime should be replaced by a Saudi model and calling it "moderate" is ridiculous, if Iranian regime is ever to be changed it must be from within and its replacement should be a secular government. We don't want to swap a 15th Century ideology with a 7th Century one.

Why is this website so fucking slow?
 
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You and I agree on one of your points: " if Iranian regime is ever to be changed it must be from within and its replacement should be a secular government."

However, the public facts are that the Taliban, planning and operting from Afghanistan and northern parts of Pakistan, engineered the 911 massacre/bombing of he WTT.

Wahabbism in Saudi Arabia is not friendly to the royal family of Saudi Arabia, which government has to "monitor" with internal security forces and on occasion arrest, try, and otherwise punish Wahabbi extremists.

I, myself, agree that the current day Madrassas inside Pakistan are infected with the worst strains of Wahhabism, and are funded from Saudi Arabia Wahabbi religious extremists.

Many of us in the West, including myself, would prefer to see both Saudi and Iran become secular. But in neither case does that seem probable "before the second coming of Jesus."

I find it ironic that my Vanderbilt University/Peabody College freshman year political science textbook chapters dealing with Iran, Saudi Arabia, and most of the Middle East and SW Asia, that textbook is still in many respects fairly "accurate" as if written in 2013 instead of having been written in the late 1950s.

IRAN has had some unusual twists and turns: The Father of the late Shah, when he himself ruled in Iran, was pro-Nazi going into WW II, which is why and how he was over thrown and his son, who was not pro-Nazi, the last Shah, took his father's throne.

Iran's end of WW II into the early 1950s Parliament/Magelias (spelling?) was essentially headed by and then shut down by a Socialist Iranian who sided with the old USSR, which had tried in the last years of WW II to seize, occupy and own the northern Iranian oil fields. Only all the other Allies at the end of WW II backed Joe Stalin down, such that Stalin withdrew his briefly occupying Soviet forces from the northern Iranian oil fields.

"Oil" historically is synonymous with raw political power and alliances to have the strategic and tactical edge in controlling the majority of the world's oil supply.

Ironically, Russia based on news stories (unproven) may well have the larges oil...and gas....reserves anywhere in the whole world. This "idea, maybe a fact" helps take the "sting" out of old alliances and sharp points of view on all sides.

But, we have unusual other natural gas discoveries right here in my native Alabama, which some geologists say are the largest natural gas deposits anywhere in the world.

Other nations, including the US, are increasing the use of natural power sources, solar, wind, and tidal power. Did you realize that tidal power plants on the coast of France provide now up to 10% of all electric power for France?

Back to Saudi Arabia and Iran. Both nations are too driven, my view, by the two major differing sects of Islam. Turkey used to be held up as he secular alternative, best other way to go governmentally. But now we have a sharp turn toward radical Islam in the top centers of political power in today's Turkey, which is yet a NATO Member.

It all makes my graying old head "spin" as nothing is what it once was and nothing is likely to happen to return to old systems per se. Out best hope is better models, newer models, which by definition, justify your and my preferences for more sectarian governments.

All nations need religions and faiths of a wide variety to meet the core need of all mankind to believe in, be uplifted by, and model their personal and individual, not their governmental systems, after. Governments ultimately reflect the "philosophy of good over evil" as a rub off natural effect. The exception(s) are historically and currently those governments who suppress or try to control from the outside any and/or all faith systems and religions. Hitler used the immature post WW I failing democratic process/system to only come in second place in popular political party voting pre-WW II. Hitler than superseded the weak democratic process in Germany when President Hindenburg died to rawly seize power; stage a fire blamed on the Jews of the German Parliament, which Parliament Hitler then abolished/closed down for the rest of Hitler's mean and hate filled lifetime.
 
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Why this chill thread is hot most of time? or Chill here is derived from Chilli? :D

wazzap air chief marshal ? o_O :undecided: :D

anyhow , ye troll oomade inja dare tooye ye thread mige mollah ha (yani ma ) be conferance sooriye da'vaat nashodim va mesle dalghak maskhare baaazi dar miyare .

hala ke iran davat shode mige " didin davat ru ghabool kardin "

yani aadam az een yaro dalghak tar va "looleh" tar nadidam :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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Dear @American Eagle, thanks for your interest, but the situation is not as simple as you imagine, I would rather call it the "
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button 2 ". As I have mentioned before thanks for your interest in the situation but your offer is as logical as suggesting a Saudi governing system for USA.
I am not to continue this discussion, as of your previous posts it can be concluded that your understanding of middle east situation is in Pre-elementary stage.
 
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My "understanding" included drawing you out, albeit briefly, by offering some views that many will disagree with to "cause" those open minded and educated enough in the democratic process to counter-comment.

Your theme as a Full Member in and of itself seems degraded by an inability to deal with world and even local affairs in a racial neutral manner Persians and Arabs being two different entities if you will.

I note your lack of a national flag in your logo here. Perhaps you are a Magreb Pan-Islamic? But that is another story all over again.

If you took time to read my just posted herein analysis of the power and politics of oil and gas, you might refocus on what the whole world power process has long been driven by (my view). The conflict between local versions of democracy in the Muslim world and extremist/terrorist focused Islam are what the whole Iran/Saudi "thing" epitomizes. Both nations trying to impose religious ideologies instead of allowing all religious ideologies while instead having or trying to have secular, locally modified to local circumstances quasi-democracies.

Have a good day, in any event.
 
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For the readership today in general, the nation of Malaysia is the largest democracy in SE Asia, as a majority Muslim state. It is possible to have democracy and other faith systems while a given nation is statistically also majority Muslim. Malaysia is a god example.
 
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My "understanding" included drawing you out, albeit briefly, by offering some views that many will disagree with to "cause" those open minded and educated enough in the democratic process to counter-comment.
Your theme as a Full Member in and of seems degratded by an inability to deal with world and even local affairs in a sectarian manner.
I note your lack of a national flag in your logo here. Perhaps you are a Magreb Pan-Islamic? But that is another story all over again.
If you took time to read my just posted herein analysis of the power and politics of oil and gas, you might refocus on what the whole world power process has long been driven by. The conflict between local versions of democracy in the Muslim world and extremist/terrorist focused Islam are what the whole Iran/Saudi "thing" epitomizes. Both nations trying to impose religious ideologies instead of allowing all religious ideologies while instead having or trying to have secular, locally modified to local circumstances quasi-democracies.
Have a good day, in any event.

You know kid, that avatar and the related avatar name are selected intentionally in order to save me from loosing my time arguing with some intellectually preoccupied buddies like you. And I can see it is working quite well.
BTW I have some topics for you in case searching for further discussions,
I believe an elephant has three legs with two wings, please consider that this topic is for those open minded and educated enough in the democratic process to counter-comment.
In case you are laughing on the topic please consider that as a new year gift, because I wanted to share my same feelings of your understanding of middle east.
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BTW please correct that avatar flag you are using because it is American flag not the Malaysian, I think everybody here knows you are a Malaysian guy posting with American flag.
Reta....
 
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I will ignore your "wit and wisdom" since I lived and worked in the Middle East/SW Asia/Pakistan, and am a retired International Banking Officer, NYC based, Asia Section.

Clearly "I got your goat!"

Cheers.
 
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For the readership today in general, the nation of Malaysia is the largest democracy in SE Asia, as a majority Muslim state. It is possible to have democracy and other faith systems while a given nation is statistically also majority Muslim. Malaysia is a god example.

Malaysia is NOT a democracy :omghaha:
Its just a backward country with some shiny buildings! I had some of worst experiences of my life in that "country". The eduction system SUCKS SO BAD that I wouldn't compare their best university with a simple Iranian High School.

Malaysia is not a good example for Iran, its basically Iran as it is today, just without sanctions, and far more incompetent.
 
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wazzap air chief marshal ? o_O :undecided: :D

anyhow , ye troll oomade inja dare tooye ye thread mige mollah ha (yani ma ) be conferance sooriye da'vaat nashodim va mesle dalghak maskhare baaazi dar miyare .

hala ke iran davat shode mige " didin davat ru ghabool kardin "

yani aadam az een yaro dalghak tar va "looleh" tar nadidam :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

haha, mibinam ke ta tah soukhti :lol::lol::lol::lol:
avvalan inke to mullah nisti va ye basiji ye aghab moundeh bishtar nisti.
in hameh regime haart va pourt kard ke ma be Geneva I rezaayat nemidim va A$$head baayad bemouneh, haalaa ham dobaareh ye jaam e zahr e dige raftid baalaa. :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
BTW, Be ghol e Ahmadi Nejad, aab ra beriz hamoun ja ke misouze, cheraa jaaye dige mirizi?!!! ;) :-)
Be ghol e YZD Khalifa, "Next ...." :lol::lol::lol::lol:

BTW, @LoveIcon jan, shoma che tori ranket ra be nirou ye havaayi taghyir daadi? man ham badam nemiyaad ke in kaar ra bekonam :enjoy: :partay:
 
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I have to read your post and answer to all your points. I'm a little bit busy right now, but I will answer to all your points by tomorrow around this time. ;) Thanks, have a good day.
 
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vaghean javabi nadaram bedam joz khaaak alam too sare aghab mandat :lol:

haha, javaabi ham mage daari ke bedi?!!!
boro baalaam jan. boro ke ta chand rouz e dige, ye kam poul, USA baraatoun azad mikone, boro va sandis haye aghab moundeh ke in moddat natounestan baraatoun bekharan ra begir va haal kon va bezan be badan ;)
Next ... ;)
 
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haha, javaabi ham mage daari ke bedi?!!!
boro baalaam jan. boro ke ta chand rouz e dige, ye kam poul, USA baraatoun azad mikone, boro va sandis haye aghab moundeh ke in moddat natounestan baraatoun bekharan ra begir va haal kon va bezan be badan ;)
Next ... ;)

i wud reply to this , but youre choking all over this place :lol:

next :lol:
 
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haha, javaabi ham mage daari ke bedi?!!!
boro baalaam jan. boro ke ta chand rouz e dige, ye kam poul, USA baraatoun azad mikone, boro va sandis haye aghab moundeh ke in moddat natounestan baraatoun bekharan ra begir va haal kon va bezan be badan

haddeaghal begoo oonja tooye kodoom pompe benzin dari kar mikoni ke age ahyanan gozaremoon oftad oonvara ye pooli behet bedim beri sandis bezani inghad sandis sandis nakoni.
 
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