Iranian Chill Thread

[haman10]

And he was wrong anyway. Islam never changed the conditions of the masses positively. In fact, Islam is a huge hindrance when it comes to modern development of societies and people. The same counts for all other world religions.

thats why i always ignore the igorant atheists @Azlan Haider

 

[Surenas]

thats why i always ignore the igorant atheists @Azlan Haider

The medicines you take when you are sick are most probably invented by atheists. Please, don't be a hypocrite, and ignore these elements as well.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Shariati was influenced by Marxism. Even Vali Nasr acknowledged this. Since I have Nasr's e-book on my laptop, here you go:

And he was wrong anyway. Islam never changed the conditions of the masses positively. In fact, Islam is a huge hindrance when it comes to modern development of societies and people. The same counts for all other world religions.

His wife writes about him (Karl Marx) :
"My husband is at the moment deeply in the eastern question and highly elated about the honourable , unwavering entrance of the sons of Muhammad against all the Christian humbug and attrocity-mongers"


I have a lot of collection on Marx as well as Shariati , but this is a chill thread , I will open a new thread on that and invite @haman10 and you for a disscussion

 

[haman10]

Karl Marx wasn't influenced by Islam, or any other world religion

sure , if he was , he wouldnt be such an idiot . how can someone breathe in and out and deny GOD ?

The medicines you take when you are sick are most probably invented by atheists. Please, don't be a hypocrite, and ignore these elements as well.

1- i dont need medication as we speak . but u do
2- the medicine i use , 97 % of the are produced in my county .

and also alcohol was invented by an iranian muslim , please dont mal-use it he though you would just use it for cleaning stuff not drinking it

I have a lot of collection on Marx as well as Shariati , but this is a chill thread , I will open a new thread on that and invite @haman10 and you for a disscussion

we would all be thankful if u post the thread in our section buddy

 

[Surenas]

Her wife writes about Karl Marx :
"My husband is at the moment deeply in the eastern question and highly elated about the honourable , unwavering entrance of the sons of Muhammad against all the Christian humbug and attrocity-mongers"

What are you trying to prove? Marx wasn't influenced by Eastern theories, In fact, he was a historical determinist and thought in a teleological way. Major criticism on Marx is that he was to eurocentric, believing that Eastern societies were unable to cope with Western developed due to all kinds of reasons, and therefore their societies stagnated.

 

[The SiLent crY]

Shariati was an fool. He single-handedly created the most violent ideology in Iran's history with his 'everyday is Karbala' analogy. No wonder, since he was influenced by Marxist theories.

Learn to respect to be respected .

You simply insult a person and an ideology that many people believe in ,

 

[Surenas]

sure , if he was , he wouldnt be such an idiot . how can someone breathe in and out and deny GOD ?

Most brightest minds in the world have been atheists. Most prominent scholars in the world nowadays are atheists or agnostic.

and also alcohol was invented by an iranian muslim , please dont mal-use it he though you would just use it for cleaning stuff not drinking it

Zakaria Razi, the guy who invented alcoholism for medical purposes, strongly criticized Islam and the Quran. He even wrote that poets could write a much more elegant book, in contrast to the claim of Muslims that the Quran is a written miracle.

 

[M. Sarmad]

What are you trying to prove? Marx wasn't influenced by Eastern theories, In fact, he was a historical determinist and thought in a teleological way. Major criticism on Marx is that he was to eurocentric, believing that Eastern societies were unable to cope with Western developed due to all kinds of reasons, and therefore their societies stagnated.

Brother do you know that Turkish Muslim peasants were Marx`s ideals?? , he liked to be called "Moor" and used to read "Alif Laila"(Arabian night tales) to his children ?? The part of him that gives a different prespective of him are actually Engels writings under his name . Anyways let me open a new thread on it , in a while

 

[Surenas]

Learn to respect to be respected .

You simply insult a person and an ideology that many people believe in ,

First of all, ideologies are there to be attacked, intellectually of course. Second, don't be insulted then. I don't really care about the oversensitive feelings of people. Learn to bear criticism. In case of Shariati, he was an intellectual idiot who is largely responsible for the most ignorant revolution in world's history.

 

[haman10]

Most brightest minds in the world have been atheists. Most prominent scholars in the world nowadays are atheists or agnostic.

how can i even reply to that ?

my lord !

 

[Surenas]

Brother do you know that Turkish Muslim peasants were Marx`s ideals?? , he liked to be called "Moor" and used to read "Alif Laila"(Arabian night tales) to his children ?? The part of him that gives a different prespective of him are actually Engels writings under his name . Anyways let me open a new thread on it , in a while

Marx was a eurocentrix who didn't even pay attention to Eastern societies. In case of his opinion on religion, here you go:

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.''

And Muhammas has never been a socialist. In fact, Jesus was much more a socialist than Muhammad ever was.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@Surenas
Marx never denounced following religion , Opiate of masses mean that religion helps masses to bear the pain of oppression, (as a drug for killing pain) and be okay with it , instead of acting against it


And from your comment it is clear that you know nothing about Muhammad (pbuh) as well

 

[The SiLent crY]

First of all, ideologies are there to be attacked, intellectually of course. Second, don't be insulted then. I don't really care about the oversensitive feelings of people. Learn to bear criticism. In case of Shariati, he was an intellectual idiot who is largely responsible for the most ignorant revolution in world's history.

attacking and insulting are not criticism . If you don't agree with something or someone just respectfully say your view otherwise it will be led to the same repetitive fights here like always .

 

[Surenas]

how can i even reply to that ?

my lord !

Don't. Religieus people have never been praised for their rationality. And in case of Islamic science in medieval times, it was strongly influenced by Platonistic and Aristotelistic (Greek) reasoning. In fact, when Harun build that Islamic center in Baghdad, the Mu'tazila school of Islam was dominating. The Mu'tazilists believed that the Quran was created and that human reason stands above religious dogmas. Not much later the Mu'tazila school was attacked by fundamentalistic muslims.

The only time when Islam ever produced something significant it was due to Greek influences.

 

[Ahriman]

attacking and insulting are not criticism . If you don't agree with something or someone just respectfully say your view otherwise it will be led to the same repetitive fights here like always .

I respectfully disagree, they're are in fact criticism, especially if its pointed at the inferior desert faring culture that has become a norm in our society.

The criticism is not there for you to like, it is there for you to correct the wrong path you are taking. I personally don't shy away from attacking people's beliefs, they have no right to be offended.