Iranian Chill Thread

[Deez Nutz]

In reality, migration is bad specially these days. You're betteroff at home. The problem may be you, so anywhere you go, you willtake them with you, much like all the immigrants in the west,immigration will not solve your problem, just cause problems forother nations.


If you can't solve your problem at home, rest assure that youwill not be able to solve them abroad.
Being responsible for the fact that mass immigration is the only remaining solution to prevent social-economical collapse.

Self-contradicting their globalist and secular "humanist" tenets.

Exposing their own plot, shooting themselves in the foot.



Yes they are, this is amply documented and they aren't hiding it.



It's the result of liberal administrations deliberately and methodically killing fertility in Iran, in direct brazen violation of the Supreme Leader's (h.A.) oft repeated guideline. Cabinets led by Hashemi, Khatami and Rohani practiced extreme Malthusianist policies (including mass sterilization of rural Iranian men) and thus made sure Iranians no longer produce offspring, in conformity with the non-Iranian, westernized lifestyle liberals have been promoting.

Now that fertility can no longer be redressed to generational replacement levels and that mass immigration is the sole fix against economic collapse, liberals are pretending to care and ludicrously seek to turn this into a national security issue because arriving migrants do not actually hail from faraway continents, are civilizationally Iranian and more religious than the average urban middle- and upper-class citizen. Which goes a long way jeopardizing the globalist project liberals are tasked with implementing in Iran at the behest of the likes of Soros (whom Khatami enjoyed holding meetings). That project calls for using mass immigration as a tool to uproot national identity and in Iran's case to secularize the system to boot. As long as migrants are Afghans, this won't be achieved.

Hence why liberal media and politicians - otherwise bent on mimicking their western role models in practically every aspect, are paradoxically seen trying to create uproar against immigration rather than embracing and celebrating it like their political and ideological masters in Europe and North America. If the bulk of migrants came from Mongolia or Angola, liberals would be striking a completely opposite tone, they would be having a field day and would probably be attempting to justify this type of immigration with their claim that Iranian civilization "is inferior" (as per leading reformist agitator Zibakalam's explicit words) and therefore unworthy of being safeguarded.

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Liberal discourse is duplicitous political and ideological expediency. Anyone believing that people like these would somehow worry about preserving Iran's national character and anyone buying into the current smear campaign orchestrated by reformist newspapers and websites against Afghan migrants, is either an exile who ignores the first thing about Iranian domestic politics, a liberal eager to push the globalist agenda of the reformist / moderate camp, or an agent of the in-house liberals' foreign backers.



Distortion.



Demagogy. And tendentially racist, since it suggests our Afghan brothers could be likened to the Khavarej.

Thanks to the massive entry of young Afghans with birth rates up to three times the local average, Iranian society is becoming more religious than it already is. Liberals are visibly hating it. Decades and centuries of cultural aggression by the imperialist enemy set to go down the drain. Cope.



Below replacement level fertility equals economic suicide. This and nothing else is why south Korea has desperately been spending 200 billion USD to try and boost its low fertility rate.

Any demograph will confirm.



Skewed perception fueled by the enemy, hand in hand with it's domestic fifth column through historically unparalleled, massively funded propaganda and psy-ops.

Latest example:

No it's not. Don't spread blatant disinformation.

https://www.amar.org.ir/Portals/0/News/1400/fertility.fathi2.pdf?ver=X8aZNaJfWMzTbSe7mlVRTw%3d%3d

Khamenei warns Iranians of danger in declining birth rate

Iran’s Supreme Leader has encouraged officials to continue the work of increasing the birth rate, but that is a challenge even in economically prosperous countries.

www.al-monitor.com

Iran's fertility rate has stagnated way below 2,1 for so many years, courtesy of liberal denatalist policies, that recovery is no longer possible through other methods than mass immigration.



They all do.

Typical western-idolizing and baseless liberal antics.

An estimated half a million migrants illegally enter the sole USA every year, and at least 200.000 the EU. A significant chunk of which end up staying. You don't know what you're talking about.

EU system for deporting migrants 'encourages illegal migration'

Instead of deterring illegal migrants, the EU system actually encourages people to attempt the journey to Europe, says an EU auditors report. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

By the way, vetting migrants won't do the USA any good: this the most criminogenic society of the global north, with over 1,2 million of its members rotting in jail as we speak - a prison population rate two to two and a half times higher than Iran's. He who is not a criminal, potentially turns into one in "America". This is the dysfunctional "model" liberal Iranians look up to and cite as an example to ape.

Just another long-winded run of the mill nonsense typed by none other than SalarHack. On the contrary, Immigration does not solve socioeconomic problems, it compounds them. Look at what migration has done to US and Europe. It has created social, economic, and political problems of epic proportion for all to see except may be you, a turkoloid azari who sits at the keyboard with an opium pipe in one hand and a wet dream on the other, such as more Afghans and Azaris in Iran is a good thing for Iran, while Taliban on the east, and Azari turkoloids, and their russians supporters on the northwest are conspiring against Iran. These turkoloids just caused another explosion or terrorist attacks in Northern Iran, and this SalarHack wants more of them in Iran.
What a traitor azari hypocrite!

Indeed.

So hard, Salarhack and company here try to pass off themselves with high conservative islamic values or lack of which, and claim to be strongly against Neo-liberalism. However nothing is further from "their hypocrisy", he is embracing the Noe-liberalism highest value, migration.

In reality, migration is bad specially these days. You're better off at home. The problem may be you, so anywhere you go, you will take them with you, much like many immigrants in the west. immigration will not solve your problems, just cause problems for the nations you migrate to.

If you can't solve your problem at home, rest assure that you will not be able to solve them abroad.

 

[Deez Nutz]

Lies have short legs. Iran's fertility rate slipped significantly below 2,1. It has been stagnating at subpar orders of magnitude for multiple years.

Sources:

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https://www.amar.org.ir/Portals/0/News/1400/fertility.fathi2.pdf?ver=X8aZNaJfWMzTbSe7mlVRTw==

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/05/khamenei-warns-iranians-danger-declining-birth-rate



Again, it stands at around 1,7.

Here's evidence:

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https://www.amar.org.ir/Portals/0/News/1400/fertility.fathi2.pdf?ver=X8aZNaJfWMzTbSe7mlVRTw==

Khamenei warns Iranians of danger in declining birth rate

Iran’s Supreme Leader has encouraged officials to continue the work of increasing the birth rate, but that is a challenge even in economically prosperous countries.

www.al-monitor.com

Then you must be experiencing a comprehension issue.



Textbook far right and conservative right wing discourse. The diametrical opposite of liberal practice the world over.

This right here is the standard liberal stance towards mass immigration:

Yet somehow in Iran, liberals who are known for embracing practically everything their western role models stand for, are seen adopting narratives typical of western far right parties when it comes to that one specific topic of Afghan migrants: claiming migrants are causing crime rates to soar, that migrants are distorting job markets etc. Nowhere in the world are liberals holding this type of discourse.

This is while high profile representatives of liberal factions in Iran are on the record for voicing deeply anti-national, globalist ideas. E.g. reformist figure Zibakalam, who publicly states that Iranian civilization is "inferior" to western and Jewish culture. See:

Now all of a sudden, these same people want us to believe their unnatural advocacy of a nationalist border control policy is sincere.

If your eyes are shut to this essential paradox, you will devolve into a gullible patsy deprived of clear sight and critical thought, destined to be manipulated by Iran's existential foreign enemies and their domestic footmen.

So how to explain this obviously faked, nationalist type of pretense put on display by the liberal camp, a camp whose leading proponents consider Iranian civilization to be "inferior"? Refer to my previous post to find out, or read on.



All of them.



Strawman. None of the above mentioned countries is suffering from severe demographic slump and below replacement level fertility, unlike Iran - courtesy of policies purposely implemented by the liberal administrations of Hashemi, Khatami and Rohani.

Iraq's fertility rate: 3,55. Afghanistan's fertility rate: 4,75. Saudi Arabia's fertility rate: 2,46.

These do not have to rely on immigration to ensure generational renewal. Once their fertility numbers are in the red, they too will proceed exactly as western regimes. Unless they have 200 billion USD to squander like south Korea, in which case they will be throwing money out the window and still be forced to gradually give in to mass immigration.

The more adequate comparison would be with Turkey, whose demographic dynamics are pretty close to Iran's. Indeed Turkey's fertility rate in 2022 stood at a mere 1,62, down from 2,38 in 2001.

https://data.tuik.gov.tr/Bulten/Index?p=Birth-Statistics-2022-49673&dil=2

Turkish society, where a strong sense of nationalism prevails similar to Iran. And what policy has the Turkish regime opted to do? That's right, it's allowed millions of migrants to enter its territory and settle there permanently. They swallow their pride and let it happen because they know they've no choice.

However, Iran stands out from other migrant destinations insofar as in Iran, newcomers hail from the same civilizational sphere, share the same native language, culture (for the most part) and religion. Iran is lucky, the mass immigration required to curb demographic ageing will not dilute religious and national identity. And that is precisely the reason why liberals are now panicking. Their scheme is backfiring.



My favorite land is Iran.



In the English language, the term regime has a negative connotation. This is not the case of the Persian nezām.

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So regime is not the exactly the same as nezām.

Dude, what do you do at home all day? Smoke opium in your basement, cut and paste other's articles at the keyboard and pass them off as you own. You're like the one who talks a lot but tells very little, talks the walk but never walks the walk.
Are you out of your mind dude with your encouraging migration, refugees, and so forth. You really need to put the opium pipe down so you can see the reality after the fog clears your head. Cliques like you have chased away many good people from this forum. You constantly type long stupid comments made out of cut and pasting articles you dont even understand yourself with your pigeon English.
Typing such long comments do not make you look smart to others, it shows what a reletless schill you are, a hack.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Smart westerners always are saying they don t want foreigners, but the fact is they have every time more foreigners.

I know what i am talking about, in spain 1 of each 3 persons is or has foreign roots. Lots of them has south american roots, because their lenguage proximity.

Don t get me worng this is good for me,not bad, i want a country more developed that grows faster.

Well, generally speaking I do not consider mass immigration to be desirable, because of the risk it poses to religious and national integrity and the benefits globalists can derive from it.

This is why I've been supporting the Supreme Leader's (h.A.) calls to boost the fertility rate in Iran, seeing how it experienced a sharp, historically unprecedented drop below replacement level, as a consequence of societal modernization, urbanization, cultural aggression by the anglo-zionist enemy but also because of extreme denatalist (undercutting birth rate) policies implemented by the liberal administrations of Hāshemi Rafsanjāni (moderate) in the 1990's, Khātami (reformist) in the late 1990's and early 2000's, as well as Rohāni (moderate) in the late 2010's.

Now the problem is, when fertility stagnates at below replacement level for some time, it becomes practically impossible for the government to make it rise again, as shown by the examples of south Korea, Sweden, and many other wealthy and resourceful countries. Then mass immigration of young people becomes the only fix.

Normally, mass immigration threatens national and religious identity due to the influx of migrants from culturally alien realms. This is exactly what the globalist oligarchy has been promoting, first in the north and now in the global south as well - as an example, the British regime recently sent Afghan refugees to Rwanda, one of Africa's most developed countries, to undermine that country's cultural integrity.

When it comes to Iran what you need to know is that there are basically two competing political camps: on the one hand a camp generally loyal to the principles of the 1979 Islamic Revolution led by Imām Khomeini (r.A.a.) and his successor seyyed Khāmenei (h.A.), and on the other hand a liberal camp composed of two branches, a reformist and a moderate one which entered an alliance about fifteen years ago.

This is also why I insist the Islamic Republic is far more pluralistic and democratic that any of the western secular liberal, so-called "democracies", because the ideological and political gap separating the two main governing factions in Iran is so mind-boggling that there's no equivalent to it anywhere in the west. To find out how massive the distinction between liberals and revolutionaries in Iran really is through concrete documented illustrations, keep reading on.

In-house liberals in the Islamic Republic are seeking so-called "regime change" from within, that is a complete reversal of practically every principled policy introduced by the 1979 Islamic Revolution and a de facto return to conditions prevailing under the Pahlavi monarchy, when Iran used to be a textbook client state submissive to the USA and Isra"el". They aim for a repeat against the Islamic Republic of what Gorbachev did to the Soviet Union. Where in the west do we have a system in which one of two major parties endeavours to end the constitutional order? Short answer: nowhere, and actually any such current would either be outlawed or politically marginalized in a liberal so-called "democracy", regardless of how popular it is.

Unsurprisingly, liberal Iranians tend to cultivate friendly views of the Pahlavi regime and especially of its first ruler Rezā Khān, whose ill-inspired policies they publicly shower with praise. Likewise, they passionately endorse the CIA-orchestrated coup of 1953 against Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister Mosadeq, who had nationalized the oil industry hitherto controlled and exploited by the British. Musā Qaninejād, a monetarist economist affiliated with the liberal camp, just recently published presentations in which he railed the nationalization of Iran's oil, preferring British control and a less than 20% share for Iran, all the while of attempting to depict the coup as a "popular uprising" against an autocratic Mosadeq (in fact Mosadeq was a deep believer in democracy) and thereby whitewashing the CIA and minimizing its role.

Indeed, the moderate and reformist faction in Iran represent western-apologetic movements. It's them who pushed for the skewed JCPOA nuclear deal, it's them who want Iran to negotiate away the bulk of her missile power and regional allies as well - Rafsanjāni openly suggested that this is not a time for "missile games", that Iran should disarm like Germany and Japan after WW2, and he attacked Iran's support for Syria, claiming that President Assad "gassed his own people", while former Foreign Minister Zarif took aim at national hero shahid Soleimani's work, and pretended that the USA could obliterate Iran's entire military power with "just a few missiles".

These liberals also advocate cultural westernization, secularization of the political system, and literally look up to western regimes as role models and patrons. On the economic front, liberal and technocratic parties in Iran adhere to the most extreme forms of capitalism, denigrate any state support for the poor and downtrodden as well as any significant step to regulate the economy as "communism" and "dictation".

In addition to this, they are in line with the globalist project. Zarif for instance authored articles in academic journals arguing that classic state power (military etc) is no longer efficient, implying diminished relevance of the nation-state within the international system. Former reformist president Khātami enjoyed holding meetings with globalist oligarch George Soros. Liberal Iranians are often enamored with globalist bigwigs such as William Gates or Klaus Schwab, organizer of the infamous World Economic Forum at Davos. Prominent reformist figure Zibākalām, a university professor, repeatedly voiced his disdain for Iranian patriotism, declaring he is glad when the Iranian national football team loses a match, and that western and Jewish culture are "superior" to Iranian civilization.

Fāe'ze Rafsanjāni, daughter of moderate kingpin Hāshemi, sat down with leaders of the Haifan Bahā'i organization and proudly had photographs of the event published to underscore her support for the latter - Bahā'ism is a deviationist faith that took shape and spread in the 19th century with the help of the British empire; it left the fold of Islam by claiming that its founder Bahā'Ullāh was a prophet (as you know Mohammad (s.) being the last Prophet of God forms a core tenet in Islam, whether Shia or Sunni). There are several Bahā'i denominations. About the one based in Haifa, Isra"el" it can be said that it is staunchly globalist and wields influence among elites in various parts of the world. It is supported by the zionists and prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution, it used to have a strong, highly disproportionate presence within top positions of the ousted Pahlavi monarchy (e.g. the shah's former Prime Minister Hoveydā, various CEO's in the media and banking sector, commanders of the regime's feared secret police SAVAK etc), which they used to advance their globalist and pro-zionist agenda. After the victory of the Islamic Revolution, the Haifan Baha'i organization was banned.

Another example, 'Ali Akbar Sālehi, former head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Foreign Minister under the Rohāni cabinet and now a professor at the elite Sharif University of Technology in Tehran, a first-tier technocratic liberal politician, openly revealed his kinship with Qorrat ol-'Eyn on public television and spoke in rather positive terms of her. 'Eyn was an early 19th century preacher for the Bābi movement, a precursor to Bahā'ism.

This is also one of the reasons why liberal administrations in Iran have deliberately been ruining fertility and doing everything in their power to make sure Iranians will no longer produce offspring in sufficient numbers: they likely intend to have mass immigration from faraway regions of the world compensate the demographic deficit they themselves actively contributed to creating, so as to dilute Iranian religious and national identity in a universal mishmash and prepare the country for absorption into the unified one-world regime globalist, zionist and freemason oligarchs attempt to impose on nations and traditional religious communities of the world.

As I alluded to previously however, things took a slightly different turn: migrants arriving in Iran i.e. Afghans (with Shia Moslems being comparatively more numerous) are culturally and religiously as close to citizens of Iran as it possibly gets. It's as if the only migrants entering Germany were Austrians, Alsatians, Swiss Germans, Silesians from Poland, Sudeten Germans from former Czechoslovakia, Russia Germans etc. Do you imagine? How would immigrants like these be supposed to efficiently erase the existing national and religious identity? Very different is the kind of immigration European countries are experiencing in reality, including Spain to be honest. For Latin Americans aren't the only ones settling in Spain, they are overshadowed by Moroccans, Subsaharan Africans, Romanians, East Asians etc as well. Also Latin American nations for the most part are former Spanish colonies. Despite the shared language there are significant ethnic differences, and one can take a look at France to see how complicated integration of citizens from former colonies can be, even if born and raised right on site.

So Iran is completely standing out in this regard. That's why you see local liberals (reformists and moderates) and their media, assisted by the exiled opposition and foreign-funded Persian broadcasters (BBC, Voice of America, Manoto, Iran International) as well as countless oppositionist websites now strike an aggressive tone about Afghan immigration which is is diametrically opposed to their actual globalist ideological convictions. What motivates them are not crime rates. It's not border security, they don't believe in borders in the classical sense. It's simply that the Afghan origin of migrants is jeopardizing their project for the uprooting of Iran's religious and national identity, on top of tending to neutralize their efforts to secularize the political system of the Islamic Republic and to promote measures conducive to the rise of irreligiosity like in the west.

The secularist, culturally westernized and separatism-promoting "zan, zendegi, āzādi" ("woman, life, freedom") riot movement unleashed last year upon the Islamic Republic, which is indirectly or directly backed by liberals, also hinges upon large enough presence of culturally alienated urban middle- and upper-class youth whose religiosity took more or less of a hit. But the demographic slump induced by liberal administrations implies that the numbers of citizens pertaining to said social categories are dwindling at a sustained pace. Young, far more religious Afghans are filling the void. Thence, this window of opportunity which domestic and external enemies of the Revolution including Tel Aviv and NATO have been banking upon, is closing rapidly. Their current nervousness is therefore understandable.

Hope this helps shed some light on Iran's domestic dynamics.

 

[ReasonableStar75]

Well, I personally do not consider mass immigration to be desirable, because of the risk it poses to national and religious integrity.

This is why I've been supporting the Supreme Leader's (h.A.) calls to boost the fertility rate in Iran, seeing how it has experiencing a sharp and historically unprecedented drop to below replacement level, both as a consequence of societal modernization, urbanization, cultural aggression by the anglo-zionist enemy, and also because of extreme denatalist (undercutting birth rate) policies implemented by the liberal administrations of Hashemi Rafsanjani (moderate) in the 1990's, Khatami (reformist) in the late 1990's and early 2000's, as well as Rohani (moderate) in the late 2010's.

Now the problem is, when fertility stagnates at below replacement level for some time, it becomes practically impossible for the government to make it rise again, as shown by the examples of south Korea, Sweden, and many other wealthy and resourceful countries. Then mass immigration of young people becomes the only fix.

The point I was alluding to is that normally, mass immigration threatens national and religious identity due to the influx of migrants from culturally alien realms. This is exactly what the globalist oligarchy has been promoting, first in the north and now in the global south as well - as an example, the British regime recently sent Afghan refugees to Rwanda, one of Africa's most developed countries, in order to undermine that country's cultural integrity.

What you need to know, is that the moderate and reformist faction in Iran represent western-apologetic movements. It's them who pushed for the JCPOA, it's them who want Iran to negotiate away the bulk of her missile power and regional allies as well (Rafsanjani openly suggested that this is not a time for "missile games", that Iran should disarm like Germany and Japan after WW2, and he attacked Iran's support for Syria, claiming that President Assad "gassed his own people", while former Foreign Minister Zarif took aim at national hero shahid Soleimani's work, and pretended that the USA could obliterate Iran's entire military power with "just a few missiles"). These liberals also advocate cultural westernization, secularization of the political system, and literally look up to western regimes as role models and patrons. On the economic front, liberal and technocratic parties in Iran adhere to the most extreme forms of capitalism, denigrate any state support for the poor and downtrodden as well as any significant step to regulate the economy as "communism" and "dictation".

In addition to this, they follow globalist beliefs too. Zarif for instance publishes articles in academic journals arguing that classic state power (military etc) is no longer efficient. Former reformist president Khatami enjoyed holding meetings with globalist oligarch George Soros. Liberal Iranians are literally enamored with influential globalists such as William Gates or Klaus Schwab, organizer of the Davos Conference. Prominent reformist figure Zibakalam, a university professor, repeatedly voiced his disdain for Iranian patriotism, declaring that he is glad when the Iranian national football team loses a match, and that wetsern and Jewish culture are "superior" to Iranian civilization.

Fae'ze Rafsanjani, daughter of moderate kingpin Hashemi, sat down with leaders of the Haifan Baha'i organization in Tehran and proudly had photographs of the event published to underscore her support for the latter - Baha'ism is a deviationist faith that took shape in the 19th century with support of the British empire; it left the fold of Islam by claiming that Baha'Ullah, its founder, was a prophet (as you know Mohammad (s.) being the last Prophet of God forms a core belief in Islam). There are several Baha'i communities, the one based in Haifa, Isra"el" is a staunchly globalist one with considerable influence among elites in various parts of the world. It is supported by the zionists and prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution, it used to have a strong, completely disproportionate presence within top positions in the toppled Pahlavi monarchy (e.g. the shah's former Prime Minister Hoveyda numerous CEO's in the media and banking sector, commanders in the regime's feared secret police SAVAK etc), which they used to advance their globalist and pro-zionist agenda.

Another example, Ali Akbar Salehi, former head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, Foreign Minister in the Rohani cabinet and now a professor at the elite Sharif University of Technology in Tehran, an important technocratic liberal politician, openly revealed his kinship with Qorat ol-'Eyn on public television and spoke in rather positive terms of her. 'Eyn was an early 19th century preacher for the Babi movement, a precursor to Baha'ism.

This is also one of the reasons why liberals in Iran have deliberately been ruining fertility and doing everything in their power to make sure Iranians will no longer produce offspring: they likely intend to have mass immigration from faraway regions of the world compensate the demographic deficit they themselves actively contributed to creating, so as to dilute Iranian religious and national identity in a universal mishmash and prepare the country for absorption into the unified one-world regime globalist, zionist and freemason oligarchs aim to impose on nations and traditional religious communities of the world.

However, and this is what I alluded to previously, things took a slightly different turn: migrants arriving in Iran i.e. Afghans (with Shia Moslems being proportionally more numerous) are culturally and religiously as close to Iranians as it possibly gets. It's as if the only migrants entering Germany were Austrians, Alsatians, Swiss Germans, Silesians from Poland, Sudeten Germans from former Czechoslovakia, Russia Germans etc. Do you imagine? How would these be supposed to efficiently erase the existing national and religious identity? This is different from the kind of immigration European countries are experiencing, including Spain to be honest. For Latin Americans aren't the only ones settling in Spain, there are numerous Moroccans, Subsaharan Africans, Romanians, East Asians etc as well. Also Latin American nations for the most part are former Spanish colonies. Despite the shared language there are considerable ethnic differences, and one can look at France to see how complicated integration of citizens from former colonies can be, even if born and raised o, site.

So Iran is completely standing out in this regard. That's why you see local liberals (reformists and moderates) and their media, assisted by the exiled opposition and foreign-funded Persian media (BBC, Voice of America, Manoto, Iran International as well as countless websites) now strike an aggressive tone about Afghan immigration which is is diametrically opposed to their actual globalist ideological convictions. What motivates them are not crime rates. It's not border security, they don't believe in borders in the classical sense. It's simply that the Afghan origin of migrants is jeopardizing their project for the uprooting of Iran's religious and national identity, as well as their efforts to secularize the political system of the Islamic Republic and to promote measures conducive to the rise of irreligiosity like in the west.

Obviusly what you say is right, it would be preferable iranian give more birth to more childs, naturally. But this is not the case.

With the size of Iran, to have 80/90 million of people only, it s a problem. Non satanist people must recognize this is a problem.

I only see 2 groups of people can help Iran on this, for not creating internal problems and profound differences in iranian muslim society: the afgans and the arabs.

Pakistan has almost 300 millions, and they more little size than Iran. I think this is not the right way, Iran has less population than Pakistan.

 

[Hack-Hook]

With the size of Iran, to have 80/90 million of people only, it s a problem. Non satanist people must recognize this is a problem.

well look at the fact you cant use half of Iran land for agricultural purpose then you see its not less than desired

Pakistan has almost 300 millions, and they more little size than Iran. I think this is not the right way, Iran has less population than Pakistan.

and you guys as always go after quantity than quality aka you guys want your cannon fodder
funny things the people who support fast population growth without providing infrastructure necessary or unchecked immigration are not even Iranian or live in Iran

 

[ReasonableStar75]

and you guys as always go after quantity than quality
funny things the people who support fast population growth without providing infrastructure necessary or unchecked immigration are not even Iranian or live in Iran

I think a religious guy would never a comment like you say, there is not quality parameter measure when you talk about God creation and specially for me when they are believers.

I am not Iranian, but i sympatize with your pro palestine support, at least in government part. I want to see a strong Iran, a strong country needs necessarily a lot of population.

Look at China, look at USA, and look at how Russia is dying... wants to belong to a weak and or dying country??????

 

[Hack-Hook]

I think a religious guy would never a comment like you say, there is not quality when you talk about God creation and specially for me when they are believers.

I am not Iranian, but i sympatize with your pro palestine support, at least in government part. I want to see a strong Iran, a strong country needs necessarily a lot of population.

Look China, look USA, and look how Russia is dying... wants to belong to a weak and dying country??????

there is , even there is quality when it come to faith.
do you think a scientist have the same degree of important with somebody who has not finished its high school when it come to country advancement and developement.

do you think the faith of Malil-Ashtar and Salman were the same type of the faith of for example ibn-Al-Ubbay or Abu Dujana

 

[ReasonableStar75]

there is , even there is quality when it come to faith.
do you think a scientist have the same degree of important with somebody who has not finished its high school when it come to country advancement and developement.

do you think the faith of Malil-Ashtar and Salman were the same type of the faith of for example ibn-Al-Ubbay or Abu Dujana

You cannot judge persons, because in many times, people gives according to their mental o physical capabilities.

Proportionally, when you have more population you hav emore potential talent, this is a natural fact.

Iran has already solid foundations in science and how to run a country in a civilized way. It s prepared to absorb similar people and make them allignate with the coutnry interests. The US does that way.

I don t like US policies from this decades, but there are things we have to learn to.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Proportionally, when you have more population you hav emore potential talent, this is a natural fact.

if your quality of education and upbringing increase or at least remain the same . if it don't remain , your end result would be the same or worse , and the problem of your society increase . you have more criminal and more unemployment and...

Iran has already solid foundations in science and how to run a country in a civilized way. It s prepared to absorb similar people and make them allignate with the coutnry interests. The US does that way.

wrong Iran educational system is barely enough for current population .
i remember school class with 50 student today its under 30 but each year they become more crowded . at my time we had free education till the end of high school and even at university . today you can dream of it.

I don t like US policies from this decades, but there are things we have to learn to.

one of things we must learn is vetting immigrant and deporting illegals , i am all for accepting skilled immigrant , but destroy the gate and let anybody who can't conform and has all those problems come in, that's as wrong as it can get.

 

[SalarHaqq]

well look at the fact you cant use half of Iran land for agricultural purpose then you see its not less than desired

Iran has enough resources to feed much, much more than her current population.

Serious environmental experts have confirmed it:

Also arable land can and is being leased in friendly nations such as the Russian Federation.

and you guys as always go after quantity than quality aka you guys want your cannon fodder
funny things the people who support fast population growth without providing infrastructure necessary or unchecked immigration are not even Iranian or live in Iran

Healthy demography has nothing to do with quantity over quality. It's a minimal prerequisite for any functional economy.

Below 2,1 fertility rate such as Iran's current 1,7 = looming economic suicide as per academic consensus. It made south Korea disburse in excess of 200 billion USD to try and redress its fertility rate without resorting to mass immigration, in vain.

there is , even there is quality when it come to faith.
do you think a scientist have the same degree of important with somebody who has not finished its high school when it come to country advancement and developement.

Development equally relies on the combined efforts of people practicing all types of professions with different qualification levels.

if your quality of education and upbringing increase or at least remain the same . if it don't remain , your end result would be the same or worse , and the problem of your society increase . you have more criminal and more unemployment and...

Culturally rooted religiosity strengthens the family structure, which in turn guarantees better education of children by complementing school education.

wrong Iran educational system is barely enough for current population .
i remember school class with 50 student today its under 30 but each year they become more crowded . at my time we had free education till the end of high school and even at university . today you can dream of it.

Consequence of liberal policies by liberal administrations, and sometimes principlist ones influenced by monetarist economists.

Just a question of allocating budgets correctly, there's no fatality here.

one of things we must learn is vetting immigrant and deporting illegals , i am all for accepting skilled immigrant , but destroy the gate and let anybody who can't conform and has all those problems come in, that's as wrong as it can get.

Liberals who praise globalist oligarchs and dismiss classic tools of nation-state power have no right to complain about this.

There's no stopping the entry of illegal migrants unless one is ready to shoot at and kill large amounts of them at militarized borders. No country is "vetting" migrants the way Iranian liberals are now pretending in violation of their own ideological principles.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Obviusly what you say is right, it would be preferable iranian give more birth to more childs, naturally. But this is not the case.

With the size of Iran, to have 80/90 million of people only, it s a problem. Non satanist people must recognize this is a problem.

I only see 2 groups of people can help Iran on this, for not creating internal problems and profound differences in iranian muslim society: the afgans and the arabs.

Pakistan has almost 300 millions, and they more little size than Iran. I think this is not the right way, Iran has less population than Pakistan.

Yes. What I'm saying is, Iran is lucky that migrants happen to hail from her own civilizational realm. Which is not the case in the west nor in Turkey for instance.

So in Iran, mass immigration will not really jeopardize the religious and national integrity of the nation like it does in Europe. This is exactly why liberals in Iran, who naturally ought to support immigration as per their ideological convictions, are seen doing the opposite. The arrival of Afghans instead of say, Angolans and Mongolians is seriously neutralizing the globalist plot they act as agents for.

They spent decades ruining fertility in Iran in hopes that the demographic deficit would be compensated by migrants from faraway regions so as to undermine Iran's religious and national identity. But what is now happening, is that immigration is paradoxically offering an opportunity to strengthen these, because immigration into Iran remains civilizationally Iranian.

As said, it's as if the only migrants into Germany were Austrians, Alsatians, ethnic German Silesians from Poland, Sudeten Germans from the Czech Republic etc. A very rare occurrence.

 

[ReasonableStar75]

Yes. What I'm saying is, Iran is lucky that migrants happen to hail from her own civilizational realm. Which is not the case in the west nor in Turkey for instance.

So in Iran, mass immigration will not really jeopardize the religious and national integrity of the nation like it does in Europe. This is exactly why liberals in Iran, who naturally ought to support immigration as per their ideological convictions, are seen doing the opposite. The arrival of Afghans instead of say, Angolans and Mongolians is seriously neutralizing the globalist plot they act as agents for.

They spent decades ruining fertility in Iran in hopes that the demographic deficit would be compensated by migrants from faraway regions so as to undermine Iran's religious and national identity. But what is now happening, is that immigration is paradoxically offering an opportunity to strengthen these, because immigration into Iran remains civilizationally Iranian.

As said, it's as if the only migrants into Germany were Austrians, Alsatians, ethnic German Silesians from Poland, Sudeten Germans from the Czech Republic etc. A very rare occurrence.

A way to destroy any country is to depopulate them. Satan followers are interested in depopulate the earth in order to control easily the sheeps.

Other problem exist is when a country is filled of people that only wants to work in high level position of management. These people are the waste of resources, in west there are overpopulation of managers directors and people who really does nothing to make the country strong. They are overplayed in the sense they don t produce so much in reality, just make noise.

 

[SalarHaqq]

A way to destroy any country is to depopulate them. Satan followers are interested in depopulate the earth in order to control easily the sheeps.

Other problem exist is when a country is filled of people that only wants to work in high level position of management. These people are the waste of resources, in west there are overpopulation of managers directors and people who really does nothing to make the country strong. They are overplayed in the sense they don t produce so much in reality, just make noise.

Drastic depopulation is among the goals of the globalist / masonic / pro-zionist oligarchy.

It is one of the injunctions on how to manage the world contained on the sinister Georgia Guidestones in the masonic-controlled USA.

Namely: "Keep the population below 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature" and "guide reproduction wisely."

In Iran the liberals act as local advocates of the globalist agenda. Any deviation turned norm in the west, these liberals are attempting to introduce in Iran, including sexualization of school curriculae for young children (UNESCO 2030 Agenda), LGBTism (one liberal attempted to justify homosexuality in the Islamic context, arguing that qome Lut were paedocriminals not homoexuals), undermining of the nuclear family structure and of traditional values etc.

Only revolutionaries loyal to the 1979 Islamic Revolution, as well as the Supreme Leader and the IRGC stand in their way.

For more details about Iran's domestic political scene, refer to my lengthier post #55,187.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran has enough resources to feed much, much more than her current population.

Serious environmental experts have confirmed it:

Also arable land can and is being leased in friendly nations such as the Russian Federation.

let manage to provide enough for current population first

Healthy demography has nothing to do with quantity over quality. It's a minimal prerequisite for any functional economy.

Below 2,1 fertility rate such as Iran's current 1,7 = looming economic suicide as per academic consensus. It made south Korea disburse in excess of 200 billion USD to try and redress its fertility rate without resorting to mass immigration, in vain.

as i said for you guys quantity is more important than quality
your like minded in parliament decided to increase the population best way is to stop 40,000 legal abortion we had for severe chromosomal defect.

Development equally relies on the combined efforts of people practicing all types of professions with different qualification levels.

it come when middle class flourish , right now in Iran only there is name of middle class . also it come when all have equal mean for education . right now in iran the situation is exactly opposite of that

Culturally rooted religiosity strengthens the family structure, which in turn guarantees better education of children by complementing school education.

wrong

Consequence of liberal policies by liberal administrations, and sometimes principlist ones influenced by monetarist economists.

Just a question of allocating budgets correctly, there's no fatality here.

first allocate it correctly , then try to increase population

Liberals who praise globalist oligarchs and dismiss classic tools of nation-state power have no right to complain about this.

There's no stopping the entry of illegal migrants unless one is ready to shoot at and kill countless numbers of them at militarized borders. No country is "vetting" migrants the way Iranian liberals are now pretending in violation of their own ideological principles.

how many arrested and how many sent back last year , what happened to closing the border project , why the funding stopped in middle of the work

and liberals have all the right to complain about that.
how many of the afghans who entered Iran in arbaeen returned to Afghanistan can you answer that.
why when they come to Iran there was congestion at border , there was no such thing when they were supposed to return

 

[SalarHaqq]

let manage to provide enough for current population first

When there's immediate pressure to deliver it encourages responsible institutions to do the necessary. This is a recurrent pattern in Iran.

Moreover Iran's degree of self-sufficiency in food products is satisfactory and way above numerous other nations so the quoted remark is moot.

As far as public education's concerned, every year the number of pupils registering at Iranian schools is dropping, consequence of the catastrophic demographic crisis. So Afghan children will not cause overcrowding of classes whatsoever, they'll simply keep numbers slightly more stable, somewhat blunting the ongoing free fall.

as i said for you guys quantity is more important than quality
your like minded in parliament decided to increase the population best way is to stop 40,000 legal abortion we had for severe chromosomal defect.

And as I replied, it is utter nonsense. Generational replacement is a prerequisite for a healthy economy, while its absence induces economic implosion, something scholarly research has firmly established.

Also as demonstrated in previous comments, there's no way a government under contemporary conditions can redress subpar fertility after a number of years, as illustrated by multiple telling experiences such as the Korean and Swedish ones as well as many others. Iran is already knee deep in the red zone, because of extremist denatalist policies imposed on Iranians by successive liberal administrations.

Casual mass-abortion - the biggest genocide in human history by the way - is a consequence of liberalism and secularism. Islam prohibits it. Much like euthanasia, which is also on the liberal globalist agenda, with healthy people now being encouraged and invited to seek euthanasia in places such as Canada.

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...isted-suicide-thousands-healthy-patients.html

Criminal abominations like these would be part and parcel of Iran's future if revolutionaries weren't there to keep them liberals in check.

it come when middle class flourish , right now in Iran only there is name of middle class .

No, the middle class is the numerically largest of social classes in Iran.

also it come when all have equal mean for education . right now in iran the situation is exactly opposite of that

Consequence of liberal policies and not too complicated to fix through adequate policies.

wrong

Perfectly factual.

first allocate it correctly , then try to increase population

No, healthy demography is a precondition for any economy to minimally function, whereas below replacement fertility leads to economic collapse. So correcting the demographic slump is the starting point and takes precedence over the rest.

Some quotes from a user who studied demography at an academic level, thoroughly debunking fallacious slogans such as "quality over quantity" or the notion that wealth accumulation must come before demographic recovery. Here's someone who really knows what they're talking about, in contrast to the propaganda and demagoguery spread by reformist and moderate media in Iran. I ask Iranians reading this to pay very close attention to the following quotes:

how many arrested and how many sent back last year , what happened to closing the border project , why the funding stopped in middle of the work

Liberal sources aren't trustworthy. These are the kind of people who believe Iranian civilization is inferior to western and Jewish culture, after all.

and liberals have all the right to complain about that.

Globalist liberals do not believe in the traditional function of borders, nor in the classic instruments of nation-state power. Therefore they're not in a position to hold this type of a discourse.

Their two-faced comedy has been exposed, their masks are off and their actual anti-patriotic aims all too apparent.

how many of the afghans who entered Iran in arbaeen returned to Afghanistan can you answer that.

Logical, Arba'in is a specific day on the calendar. There's no official day on which to travel back, pilgrims stay in Iraq for a variable duration so returns are more spread out in time.

Also there's no evidence for the above quoted contention, sounds like another anecdotal fairy tale designed to stir emotions with the gullible lot.

why when they come to Iran there was congestion at border , there was no such thing when they were supposed to return

Changes nothing to the fact that the entry of illegal migrants cannot be fully brought to a halt other than through draconian means, which are unfeasible in practice.

As for regulatory measures, they take lots of time and investment to achieve. It's been merely two years since the Taleban returned to power, triggering a renewed emigration wave out of Afghanistan. Too short to implement any such measures. Border walls over hundreds of kilometers generally take numerous years to build etc.