Iranian Chill Thread

[Hack-Hook]

1) A desire to create social instability by manufacturing a "native versus migrant" fault line.

complaining about illegal immigrant , who pay no tax , and in many case have shady and not productive jobs

Frustration at how their efforts to ruin fertility are backfiring. Indeed, immigrants compensating the demographic deficit are themselves as close as it gets to Iranian citizens - ethnically, culturally, religiously. Like their European role models however, liberals were aiming to fill the generational gap with foreigners from faraway regions more alien to Iranian civilization. Because the globalist agenda calls for diluting national identity into a universal mishmash for a unified one-world regime to become feasible.

no they are not , illegal immigrant crisis that we have now is the result of some people ( let not name them as some of our friends here ......) putting their head under the snow and cant see half a meter in front of them

 

[Hack-Hook]

3) Arriving Afghans are more religious than the average urban middle- and upper-class Iranian. Decades of cultural aggression by the enemy and its liberal in-house footmen risks being neutralized (hopefully it will) and Iranian society is set to become more religious and less culturally westernized. Hence why reformists and moderates are desperate and mad at the situation.

This is indeed very good news for Iran.

so your criteria for letting afghan come is because they are religion.
let tell you a secret , do you knew anyone more religious than Khavarej ?

 

[SalarHaqq]

complaining about illegal immigrant , who pay no tax , and in many case have shady and not productive jobs

Being responsible for the fact that mass immigration is the only remaining solution to prevent social-economical collapse.

Self-contradicting their globalist and secular "humanist" tenets.

Exposing their own plot, shooting themselves in the foot.

no they are not ,

Yes they are, this is amply documented and they aren't hiding it.

that we have now is the result of some people ( let not name them as some of our friends here ......) putting their head under the snow and cant see half a meter in front of them

It's the result of liberal administrations deliberately and methodically killing fertility in Iran, in direct brazen violation of the Supreme Leader's (h.A.) oft repeated guideline. Cabinets led by Hashemi, Khatami and Rohani practiced extreme Malthusianist policies (including mass sterilization of rural Iranian men) and thus made sure Iranians no longer produce offspring, in conformity with the non-Iranian, westernized lifestyle liberals have been promoting.

Now that fertility can no longer be redressed to generational replacement levels and that mass immigration is the sole fix against economic collapse, liberals are pretending to care and ludicrously seek to turn this into a national security issue because arriving migrants do not actually hail from faraway continents, are civilizationally Iranian and more religious than the average urban middle- and upper-class citizen. Which goes a long way jeopardizing the globalist project liberals are tasked with implementing in Iran at the behest of the likes of Soros (whom Khatami enjoyed holding meetings). That project calls for using mass immigration as a tool to uproot national identity and in Iran's case to secularize the system to boot. As long as migrants are Afghans, this won't be achieved.

Hence why liberal media and politicians - otherwise bent on following their western role models in practically every aspect, are paradoxically seen trying to create uproar against immigration rather than embracing and celebrating it like their political and ideological masters in Europe and North America. If the bulk of migrants came from Mongolia or Angola, liberals would be striking a completely opposite tone, they would be having a field day and would probably be attempting to justify this type of immigration with their claim that Iranian civilization "is inferior" (as per leading reformist agitator Zibakalam's explicit words) and therefore unworthy of being safeguarded.

سفر خاتمی به آمریکا و ملاقات با «جرج سوروس»

kayhan.ir

Liberal discourse is duplicitous political and ideological expediency. Anyone believing that people like these would somehow worry about preserving Iran's national character and anyone buying into the current smear campaign orchestrated by reformist newspapers and websites against Afghan migrants, is either an exile who ignores the first thing about Iranian domestic politics, a liberal eager to push the globalist agenda of the reformist / moderate camp, or an agent of the in-house liberals' foreign backers.

so your criteria for letting afghan come is because they are religion.

Distortion.

let tell you a secret , do you knew anyone more religious than Khavarej ?

Demagogy. And tendentially racist, since it suggests our Afghan brothers could be likened to the Khavarej.

Thanks to the massive entry of young Afghans with birth rates up to three times the local average, Iranian society is becoming more religious than it already is. Liberals are visibly hating it. Decades and centuries of cultural aggression by the imperialist enemy set to go down the drain. Cope.

and as it said its for bad economic situation

Below replacement level fertility equals economic suicide. This and nothing else is why south Korea has desperately been spending 200 billion USD to try and boost its low fertility rate.

Any demograph will confirm.

and people have low hope for future

Skewed perception fueled by the enemy, hand in hand with it's domestic fifth column through historically unparalleled, massively funded propaganda and psy-ops.

Latest example:

and by the way Iran fertility rate is around 2.1 not 1.7

No it's not. Don't spread blatant disinformation.

https://www.amar.org.ir/Portals/0/News/1400/fertility.fathi2.pdf?ver=X8aZNaJfWMzTbSe7mlVRTw%3d%3d

Khamenei warns Iranians of danger in declining birth rate

Iran’s Supreme Leader has encouraged officials to continue the work of increasing the birth rate, but that is a challenge even in economically prosperous countries.

www.al-monitor.com

Iran's fertility rate has stagnated way below 2,1 for so many years, courtesy of liberal denatalist policies, that recovery is no longer possible through other methods than mass immigration.

nobody solve low fertility rate by accepting illegal immigrant .

They all do.

they vet immigrant for their capabilities and accept the one who benefit them. not opening the door and tell every criminal to come

Typical western-idolizing and baseless liberal antics.

An estimated half a million migrants illegally enter the sole USA every year, and at least 200.000 the EU. A significant chunk of which end up staying. You don't know what you're talking about.

EU system for deporting migrants 'encourages illegal migration'

Instead of deterring illegal migrants, the EU system actually encourages people to attempt the journey to Europe, says an EU auditors report. #EuropeNews

www.euronews.com

By the way, vetting migrants won't do the USA any good: this the most criminogenic society of the global north, with over 1,2 million of its members rotting in jail as we speak - a prison population rate two to two and a half times higher than Iran's. He who is not a criminal, potentially turns into one in "America". This is the dysfunctional "model" liberal Iranians look up to and cite as an example to ape.

 

[Muhammed45]

Funnily there was no force resisting in Artsakh but Azerbijani army had dozens of casualties. It was like a kid walking and twisting his legs hahah.

However i am happy about destroying the fake identity of Artsakh but honestly Azerbaijan's army is a complete joke.

I usually watch their TV programs and i see Aliyev raise his clenched fist saying slogans with that drunk face. Ohahah

Even more funny, they cannot show any marching army except for a bunch of Israeli and Turkish drnes targeting undefended Armenian border guards.

It is all funny and i personally advice you watch their KGB style propaganda programs about greatness of Aliyev the drunk gambling superhero.

 

[jauk]

people are so touchy about the word regime , wonder why . its exactly equal to the word نظام (Nezam) and nobody care about that . it's really funny…

It is. It’s also sad how poor your grasp is of simple English and dog whistles. As I’ve mentioned before, you have a mere cargo cult grasp of these things yet you seem to make them fundamental premises of your world views.

To make it simple, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[Nevsky]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1708785053197594938

 

[Hack-Hook]

Being responsible for the fact that mass immigration is the only remaining solution to prevent social-economical collapse.

Self-contradicting their globalist and secular "humanist" tenets.

Exposing their own plot, shooting themselves in the foot.

the fact that as we have more than two fertility rate there is no such danger and if there was such danger we didnt retire people at 45

It's the result of liberal administrations deliberately and methodically killing fertility in Iran, in direct brazen violation of the Supreme Leader's (h.A.) oft repeated guideline. Cabinets led by Hashemi, Khatami and Rohani practiced extreme Malthusianist policies (including mass sterilization of rural Iranian men) and thus made sure Iranians no longer produce offspring, in conformity with the non-Iranian, westernized lifestyle liberals have been promoting.

Now that fertility can no longer be redressed to generational replacement levels and that mass immigration is the sole fix against economic collapse, liberals are pretending to care and ludicrously seek to turn this into a national security issue because arriving migrants do not actually hail from faraway continents, are civilizationally Iranian and more religious than the average urban middle- and upper-class citizen. Which goes a long way jeopardizing the globalist project liberals are tasked with implementing in Iran at the behest of the likes of Soros (whom Khatami enjoyed holding meetings). That project calls for using mass immigration as a tool to uproot national identity and in Iran's case to secularize the system to boot. As long as migrants are Afghans, this won't be achieved.

Hence why liberal media and politicians - otherwise bent on mimicking their western role models in practically every aspect, are paradoxically seen trying to create uproar against immigration rather than embracing and celebrating it like their political and ideological masters in Europe and North America. If the bulk of migrants came from Mongolia or Angola, liberals would be striking a completely opposite tone, they would be having a field day and would probably be attempting to justify this type of immigration with their claim that Iranian civilization "is inferior" (as per leading reformist agitator Zibakalam's explicit words) and therefore unworthy of being safeguar

again fertility rate is around 2.1 and funny we can't provide enough job for this much

Distortion.

fact according to your post.

Demagogy. And tendentially racist, since it suggests our Afghan brothers could be likened to the Khavarej.

Thanks to the massive entry of young Afghans with birth rates up to three times the local average, Iranian society is becoming more religious than it already is. Liberals are visibly hating it. Decades and centuries of cultural aggression by the imperialist enemy set to go down the drain. Cope.

thanks to the influx of illegal afghan and some people don't do their jobs we have a lot more criminal

wonder how many afghan engineer and doctor you guys managed to bring to iran . all i see their children on street doing not productive jobs and when they become older many of them become part of criminal group.

 

[Hack-Hook]

They all do.

name them

It is. It’s also sad how poor your grasp is of simple English and dog whistles. As I’ve mentioned before, you have a mere cargo cult grasp of these things yet you seem to make them fundamental premises of your world views.

To make it simple, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yeah sure
but as Galileo said
Regime = نظام

Typical western-idolizing and baseless liberal antics.

An estimated half a million migrants illegally enter the sole USA every year, and at least 200.000 the EU. A significant chunk of which end up staying. You don't know what you're talking about.

you that knew well then tell me what they do with them
let not talk about west . what ksa do with illegal immigrant what Iraq do , what Afghanistan do what your favorite country N. Korea do with them?

 

[SalarHaqq]

the fact that as we have more than two fertility rate there is no such danger and if there was such danger we didnt retire people at 45

Lies have short legs. Iran's fertility rate slipped significantly below 2,1. It has been stagnating at subpar orders of magnitude for multiple years.

Sources:

https://www.amar.org.ir/Portals/0/News/1400/fertility.fathi2.pdf?ver=X8aZNaJfWMzTbSe7mlVRTw==

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/05/khamenei-warns-iranians-danger-declining-birth-rate

again fertility rate is around 2.1 and funny we can't provide enough job for this much

Again, it stands at around 1,7.

Here's evidence:

https://www.amar.org.ir/Portals/0/News/1400/fertility.fathi2.pdf?ver=X8aZNaJfWMzTbSe7mlVRTw==

Khamenei warns Iranians of danger in declining birth rate

Iran’s Supreme Leader has encouraged officials to continue the work of increasing the birth rate, but that is a challenge even in economically prosperous countries.

www.al-monitor.com

fact according to your post.

Then you must be experiencing a comprehension issue.

thanks to the influx of illegal afghan and some people don't do their jobs we have a lot more criminal

wonder how many afghan engineer and doctor you guys managed to bring to iran . all i see their children on street doing not productive jobs and when they become older many of them become part of criminal group.

Textbook far right and conservative right wing discourse. The diametrical opposite of liberal practice the world over.

This right here is the standard liberal stance towards mass immigration:

Yet somehow in Iran, liberals who are known for embracing practically everything their western role models stand for, are seen adopting narratives typical of western far right parties when it comes to that one specific topic of Afghan migrants: claiming migrants are causing crime rates to soar, that migrants are distorting job markets etc. Nowhere in the world are liberals holding this type of discourse.

This is while high profile representatives of liberal factions in Iran are on the record for voicing deeply anti-national, globalist ideas. E.g. reformist figure Zibakalam, who publicly states that Iranian civilization is "inferior" to western and Jewish culture. See:

Now all of a sudden, these same people want us to believe their unnatural advocacy of a nationalist border control policy is sincere.

If your eyes are shut to this essential paradox, you will devolve into a gullible patsy deprived of clear sight and critical thought, destined to be manipulated by Iran's existential foreign enemies and their domestic footmen.

So how to explain this obviously faked, nationalist type of pretense put on display by the liberal camp, a camp whose leading proponents consider Iranian civilization to be "inferior"? Refer to my previous post to find out, or read on.

name them

All of them.

you that knew well then tell me what they do with them
let not talk about west . what ksa do with illegal immigrant what Iraq do , what Afghanistan do

Strawman. None of the above mentioned countries is suffering from severe demographic slump and below replacement level fertility, unlike Iran - courtesy of policies purposely implemented by the liberal administrations of Hashemi, Khatami and Rohani.

Iraq's fertility rate: 3,55. Afghanistan's fertility rate: 4,75. Saudi Arabia's fertility rate: 2,46.

These do not have to rely on immigration to ensure generational renewal. Once their fertility numbers are in the red, they too will proceed exactly as western regimes. Unless they have 200 billion USD to squander like south Korea, in which case they will be throwing money out the window and still be forced to gradually give in to mass immigration.

The more adequate comparison would be with Turkey, whose demographic dynamics are pretty close to Iran's. Indeed Turkey's fertility rate in 2022 stood at a mere 1,62, down from 2,38 in 2001.

https://data.tuik.gov.tr/Bulten/Index?p=Birth-Statistics-2022-49673&dil=2

Turkish society, where a strong sense of nationalism prevails similar to Iran. And what policy has the Turkish regime opted to do? That's right, it's allowed millions of migrants to enter its territory and settle there permanently. They swallow their pride and let it happen because they know they've no choice.

However, Iran stands out from other migrant destinations insofar as in Iran, newcomers hail from the same civilizational sphere, share the same native language, culture (for the most part) and religion. Iran is lucky, the mass immigration required to curb demographic ageing will not dilute religious and national identity. And that is precisely the reason why liberals are now panicking. Their scheme is backfiring.

your favorite country N. Korea

My favorite land is Iran.

yeah sure
but as Galileo said
Regime = نظام

In the English language, the term regime has a negative connotation. This is not the case of the Persian nezām.

So regime is not the exactly the same as nezām.

 

[ReasonableStar75]

Worse than the absolute population number is Iran's below generational replacement fertility rate of only 1,7. This means the Iranian population is ageing at a terrible pace. Other things being equal Iran is set to experience a cruel lack of young people, which economically speaking is an absolute recipe for disaster.

Problem is in modern times, no country has managed to redress sustained demographic slump other than through mass immigration. South Korea spent over 200 billion USD to no avail. Trying its best, Sweden briefly managed to boost fertility in the 1980's only to see it plummet again a few years later.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/upshot/china-population-decline.html

In Iran this is a result of extreme denatalist policies conducted by western-apologetic liberal (moderate / reformist) administrations. Which reportedly included covert sterilization of male rural populations. Interestingly, those same liberals - who generally exhibit disdain for patriotic narratives and are in fact staunch globalists, have paradoxically gone into overdrive crying about Afghan immigration. Their reaction is likely motivated by three factors:

1) A desire to create social instability by manufacturing a "native versus migrant" fault line.

2) Frustration at how their efforts to ruin fertility are backfiring. Indeed, immigrants compensating the demographic deficit are themselves as close as it gets to Iranian citizens - ethnically, culturally, religiously. Like their European role models however, liberals were aiming to fill the generational gap with foreigners from faraway regions more alien to Iranian civilization. Because the globalist agenda calls for diluting national identity into a universal mishmash for a unified one-world regime to become feasible.

3) Arriving Afghans are more religious than the average urban middle- and upper-class Iranian. Decades of cultural aggression by the enemy and its liberal in-house footmen risks being neutralized (hopefully it will) and Iranian society is set to become more religious and less culturally westernized. Hence why reformists and moderates are desperate and mad at the situation.

This is indeed very good news for Iran.

I don t know the depths of Iran, but if the notion of muslim migration to Iran is rejected by tehranis, and this is true, some changes are needed to a political level.

This society must not weaken the future of the country with stupid considerations. Iran must be a strogner country and you get it with a lot of population, ridiculous people with few population does not make your country strong.

Some people fail to realize, Iran is not going to propser like european countries, because their environment, their status, it s totally different. People must realize tot he core of their brain,they are confused.

 

[ReasonableStar75]

Smart westerners always are saying they don t want foreigners, but the fact is they have every time more foreigners.

I know what i am talking about, in spain 1 of each 3 persons is or has foreign roots. Lots of them has south american roots, because their lenguage proximity.

Don t get me worng this is good for me,not bad, i want a country more developed that grows faster.

 

[Flotilla]

Until one day you will wake up and see all critical infrastructure in Iran being blasted and Iranian officials suing for peace. It is really in Iran’s hand. I don’t think Iran is untouchable. If Iran’s regime use their smarts conflict can be avoided.

Just prepare your credit card.
Your grandchildren will pay an airstrike to Iran, as your sons will pay the debt of Ukra-subrogated war.

Everything has a time. Armenians thought the same thing until it was time to roast the chicken.

Agreed. Even US has his time.

 

[ReasonableStar75]

Just prepare your credit card.
Your grandchildren will pay an airstrike to Iran, as your sons will pay the debt of Ukra-subrogated war.


Agreed. Even US has his time.

Not only credit card, better they prepare for their coffins thousands and thosuands of them if they dare to do something stupid.

Stupidity of comparing Armenia with Iran is enormous. Poor guy.

 

[tsunset]

The question in case of a sale of ballistic missile to Russia after UN embargo expires:

- Will Ukraine sever diplomatic relations with Iran? I think yes and that it would be Ukraine to take the step
- Will Iran admit directly the sales after consistent proofs (images, codes and numbers of the missiles etc)?
- What will be Ukraine-backer response? Will European countries such as UK, France, Germany sever ties? I think not since they are very attached to the JCPOA and would kill for Iran's resources
- What will be US action? I think sabotage attempts and more sanctions, but as of now no sabotage happened on Shahed-136 manufactures, Iran has also recently proven better security with the missile sabotage attempt and 300 bombs transferred to ISIS, but that still doesn't protect Iran 100% from sabotage attacks. Will they use barebone terror attacks and try to reset ethnic tension or use another opportunity?
- Will the missiles be effective if for example Zolfaghar/Qiam and F-110 family missiles are sent? What would be the benefit for Russia and how would Ukraine react to this or adopt a different strategy

Not only credit card, better they prepare for their coffins thousands and thosuands of them if they dare to do something stupid.

Stupidity of comparing Armenia with Iran is enormous. Poor guy.

Armenians are our brothers

 

[jauk]

The question in case of a sale of ballistic missile to Russia after UN embargo expires:

- Will Ukraine sever diplomatic relations with Iran? I think yes and that it would be Ukraine to take the step
- Will Iran admit directly the sales after consistent proofs (images, codes and numbers of the missiles etc)?
- What will be Ukraine-backer response? Will European countries such as UK, France, Germany sever ties? I think not since they are very attached to the JCPOA and would kill for Iran's resources
- What will be US action? I think sabotage attempts and more sanctions, but as of now no sabotage happened on Shahed-136 manufactures, Iran has also recently proven better security with the missile sabotage attempt and 300 bombs transferred to ISIS, but that still doesn't protect Iran 100% from sabotage attacks. Will they use barebone terror attacks and try to reset ethnic tension or use another opportunity?
- Will the missiles be effective if for example Zolfaghar/Qiam and F-110 family missiles are sent? What would be the benefit for Russia and how would Ukraine react to this or adopt a different strategy


Armenians are our brothers

Why are we talking about what a shattered breakaway province will or will not do? This isn’t a a thing.