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you must ask the question correctly , in which world the price of a small bottle of water is as expensive as a single orange/tangerine .
specially considering those bottles are actually tap water .
according to google ...


6-8 oranges = 1 kg ?
Oranges: 559 litres/kg.

How long until orange trees bear fruit ?
Orange trees: up to 3 years

bottle of water is recyclable.

does it makes sense ?
 
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according to google ...


6-8 oranges = 1 kg ?
Oranges: 559 litres/kg.

How long until orange trees bear fruit ?
Orange trees: up to 3 years

bottle of water is recyclable.

does it makes sense ?
they must be quiet small and light oranges . the one i get usually is 2-3 per kilogram
and the question is do they gave oranges a water that can be put in bottle and fed to people ?
also its not important how much water it take to make orange , how much the farmers pay for it is the question ?a
and by your logic we most stop all agricultural activity and live on water alone .
and when it said almond need more water than apple and oranges i knew the data are wrong
 
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I'm not dermatologist, I'm emergency medicine specialist so I'm not aware of what they do but it's the first time i have heard about these threats , certainly nobody threatened me not to go to hospital .


you must ask the question correctly , in which world the price of a small bottle of water is as expensive as a single orange/tangerine .
specially considering those bottles are actually tap water .

Should I send you the messages of top medical telegram channels threatening you doctors if you go to work they will publish your names online and defame you.

Last warning to doctors who still go to work especially laser clinic. We will defame you everywhere

I can copy it here if you deny it.
 
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I think were seeing a more aggressive shift in western regime change tactics. Which is essentially a war being waged on Iran

Its a combination of inserting provocateurs to stir crowds up, guide them towards violence and attempt to play every terrorist/ separatist card they have. With some headline grabbing terrorist attacks

This in addition to the all out internet assault from their mek troll farms and bots. Whos literal 9-5 job is to sit behind a computer and make propaganda against iran

Marandi said a senior western diplomat told him Irans government will fall in 10 days

This in addition to all out economic warfare.

Nato and the west are essentially at war with the Iranian state. They want to destroy Iran and remove it as a geopolitical rival.

Anybody who really thinks john bolton, neocons and other western trash leaders/think tanks and zionists have Irans interest at heart are obviously going to be very low iq people and simpleton easily influenacble
youth

The Iranian nation needs to ask itself a serious question about how long they are going to tolerate such traitors and filth.

I think the best way to approach is is the western way. Go after their finances and jobs. Canada suspended bank accounts of protesters for gods sake. Iran really cant freeze their families bank accounts, confiscate their property, fire all his close relatives from government jobs and deny all his close relatives access to university

These are the type of tactics western/zionist states use to great effect. Iran needs to learn from them

Also Iran needs to make ukraine a living hell for the west to return thr favour. Reports of Iranian drone factories being installed in russia is a good first step
 
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I think were seeing a more aggressive shift in western regime change tactics. Which is essentially a war being waged on Iran

Its a combination of inserting provocateurs to stir crowds up, guide them towards violence and attempt to play every terrorist/ separatist card they have. With some headline grabbing terrorist attacks

This in addition to the all out internet assault from their mek troll farms and bots. Whos literal 9-5 job is to sit behind a computer and make propaganda against iran

Marandi said a senior western diplomat told him Irans government will fall in 10 days

This in addition to all out economic warfare.

Nato and the west are essentially at war with the Iranian state. They want to destroy Iran and remove it as a geopolitical rival.

Anybody who really thinks john bolton, neocons and other western trash leaders/think tanks and zionists have Irans interest at heart are obviously going to be very low iq people and simpleton easily influenacble
youth

The Iranian nation needs to ask itself a serious question about how long they are going to tolerate such traitors and filth.

I think the best way to approach is is the western way. Go after their finances and jobs. Canada suspended bank accounts of protesters for gods sake. Iran really cant freeze their families bank accounts, confiscate their property, fire all his close relatives from government jobs and deny all his close relatives access to university

These are the type of tactics western/zionist states use to great effect. Iran needs to learn from them

Also Iran needs to make ukraine a living hell for the west to return thr favour. Reports of Iranian drone factories being installed in russia is a good first step
I find the outward response by the IRI frustrating and insufficient as well. However, every time I’ve felt frustration was more with my impatience than the ineffectiveness of the Iranian state. I’m confident these events are being effectively managed and inciters will be dealt with.

At the end, my hope is the IRI will close a huge gap and systematic weakness and that is messaging. It seems those that govern have a true blind spot in this.
 
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I had gone on record several times before saying at times of economic struggles when the average Iranian is facing severe hardship which leads to mental issues such as stress and anxiety the government should have relaxed some social measures.

Instead we got bans on dogs, more severe crackdown on clothing, more raids on parties, more censorship of internet and social media. Now that strategy worked from 2000 to right about the gas riots. It works until it doesn’t. And finally the population (some not all) revolted.

The enemies of Iran learned a lot from the gas riots and were able to create a longer more sustained color revolution.

At this point you can just hope that the riots don’t enter any type of major kinetic state (armed uprising) and hope they just fizzle out with time or remain relatively low grade like Iraq’s riots.
 
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they must be quiet small and light oranges . the one i get usually is 2-3 per kilogram
and the question is do they gave oranges a water that can be put in bottle and fed to people ?
also its not important how much water it take to make orange , how much the farmers pay for it is the question ?a
and by your logic we most stop all agricultural activity and live on water alone .
and when it said almond need more water than apple and oranges i knew the data are wrong
Usually GMO stuff are heavier not other ones.

About water quality question : I think most of the times these trees have access to better water than most people in cities (old water pipes issues).So Yes !

About logic : if in production of product A and B you use X and Y amount of same substance, a percent of value of your products should be based on value of this substance.

on top of other factors such as worker wages , tools , machines required amount of land and ....
 
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there is a hand book for that , if they didn't teach me all aspect of the law concerning it , then another fail for police.
now you say there maybe another aspect of law that they didn't teach me , well .tell us that aspect , show us that law that allow police break the door of a house without judiciary mandate , when there is no crime visible

I don't have access to the necessary resources right now. But what I know, is that practically every country in the world, especially liberal so-called "democracies" of the west, have regulations in place allowing their police forces to legally enter private property with out a judicial mandate under particular circumstances. So I won't buy the notion that there's no equivalent legal instrument in Iran, unless and until a politically unbiased, qualified jurist proceeds to confirming it. You're asking me to reference articles of law, why don't you start posting a full copy of that handbook you cite? Absent this, your statement does not constitute evidence but a claim.

Bottom line is this: user Old Twilight was wrong in his assumption that Iran is the only country to field plainclothes personnel in law enforcement. Equally false is the contention that plainclothes police cannot intervene and arrest people in other countries, they can and do on a regular basis including in the USA. So my point stands, no matter how you'll try to spin it.

Seeing how you failed at supporting Old Twilight statements, you changed the subject and switched to polemicizing that Iranian police units were seen entering private property without a judicial mandate. First of all, you cannot prove they did not have a mandate. There may be accelerated procedures to obtain one quasi instantly under exceptional circumstances, there may be general authorizations given beforehand to certain units, and above all, there may be regulations allowing law enforcement to enter private property without a special authorization, because that's how it works elsewhere in the world.

Last but not least, let's talk about police forces violating rules in regards to the sanctity of private property in so-called "democracies" of the west, which user Old Twilight and other Iranians like him believe have a clean slate , an idea you're trying to feed as well.

Let us look at the story of Malik Oussekine. This 22-year old French-Algerian student was walking near a gathering of about 200.000 citizens protesting university reforms and proposed immigration restrictions in Paris, France. Oussekine was uninvolved, he was not participating in the demonstration at all. Suddenly, a group of French policemen menacingly rushed in his direction and started chasing him.

Absolutely terrified, Oussekine ran towards a residential building a resident was in the process of opening the door of. The resident let Oussekine in. Then, either police prevented the resident from closing the door, or police entered forcefully by damaging the entrance. Most residential buildings in Paris have entry code devices at their entrances; I remember hearing back then that the officers had broken the code device to gain entry. Either way, they entered the building and started frenetically beating on Oussekine using their batons. They beat him so often, so hard and so badly that he was martyred on the spot. First sources close to the regime sought to suggest that Oussekine passed away at the hospital, later the whole truth came out.

The witness describes Oussekine's ordeal as follows:

"I was returning home. As I closed the door after dialling the code, I saw the distraught face of a young man. I let him pass and I wanted to close the door. […] Two policemen rushed into the hall, rushed on the guy and beat him with incredible violence. He fell, they continued beating with truncheons and kicking him in the stomach and back. Oussekine shouted: “I did nothing, I did nothing”. Paul Bayzelon tried to come to the aid of the young man but he, too, was beaten with batons."


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So we have a young person, who did not commit any offense nor crime, who was not involved in the protests police were tasked to regulate, chased by police officers into a private property, and then savagely beaten to death, in a liberal secular so-called "democracy" of the west, one which today is brazen enough to try and lecture Iran on "freedom" and "human rights". Oussekine's case is not an isolated one, there are plenty such examples. This one however features the additional detail that the murder was carried out private property, which police entered or even broke into.

Moreover, this was done in a context of peaceful social protest in France. There had been no sustained lethal violence against law enforcement when Oussekine was murdered, unlike what we see in Iran where over 50 or so security forces have been murdered, with killings, attempted killings and assaults of law enforcement personnel, war veterans and pious Iranians witnessed right from the earliest phase of the riots. Try any of that in Belgium, in the UK, in France, in Germany, in the USA or in any secular liberal so-called "democracy", and their police forces won't display half the restraint shown by Iran law enforcement.

Iranians are completely oblivious to the reality of the west, because western regime-sponsores fake news outlets have been disinforming them. Time to reinform the Iranian public and open their eyes to the facts.

Give it a rest, any and all attempts ar blackening Iranian law enforcement have no leg to stand on, as amply proved by now.
 
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by the way do you have the video showing who did that unless that come out its not morally correct to blame anyone .

It's morally correct and necessary to use available data in order evaluate the likelihood.

1) During these riots, government forces have not been seen filming themselves while committing illegal violent acts and then publishing the footage online. Oppositionists on the other hand have done this countless times.

2) Government forces do not usually resort to such foul language, oppositionists and rioters. In fact, the shameless use of (sexual) invective has been a hallmark an defining characteristic of this violent movement, whose participant proudly and openly resort to such language.

3) The clip was shared by Professor Marandi, a trustworthy source in this regard. He wouldn't upload it if he had a doubt on who's who in that footage. A contrario, I'm not aware of any oppositionist source making alternative claims around the same .

Putting two and two together, chances that the person killed or gravely injured was attacked by government forces are close to zero.
 
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On twitter the information you receive depends on who you choose to follow. I get tweets from Marandi and Khamenei as well. If I want to I can exclusively get tweets from them and pro Islamic Republic sources. Also if you have critical thinking skills then you can sift through all the info regardless.

Most readers are deprived of such skills. Also a large segment of public opinion does not have strongly marked party-political allegiances. They will follow accounts they stumble upon. And when anti-Iranian accounts outnumber pro-Iranian ones by a factor of about a hundred thousand to a million, then chances are that those ordinary users with no prior convictions will follow an anti-IR source.

YES Assad is party to blame for the war in Syria. Because he is a dictator and he could have prevented the entire war by holding a UN supervised election. But he wouldn't even consider it, he wanted and still wants to cling onto power at any cost. Same thing with any dictatorship.

The Syrian government did acquiesce to a UN supervised election. The opposition rejected it. So no, you're wrong here.

In Iran also, the government could have put an end to this mess a long time ago. First of all, they could have conducted a proper investigation into Mahsa Amini's death,

How many times must one tell you that the evidence put forth is enough to determined that Mahsa Amini was not killed by law enforcement?

CCTV footage, CT scans published by Saudi media which can't be suspected of sympathy for the IR, recorded statement of her father about her health condition, are amply sufficient to drive home the point.

You're grasping at straws with this "proper investigation" demand. The above does not call for additional "investigation", which would not yield anything else anyway, considering what's known already.

they could have gotten rid of the morality police or lessened their powers.

There's no morality police in Iran. Infringements to the dress code are dealt with by Law Enforcement.

Moreover, the counter-revolutionary lot brainwashed by decades of enemy propaganda won't be content with a liberalization of the dress code.

Also, many are supportive of the current dress code and most importantly, a government should not yield to mob violence as it would set a dangerous precedent.

They could hold UN supervised elections and put the entire matter to rest. Will they even consider any of these measures ?

What "UN supervised elections"? Elections in Iran are fair and square, your suggestion is an affront to Iranian sovereignty.

If a girls hejab slips off a bit, let's say by accident, do they then really need to force her to go to a building so the government can teach her about Islam ? Can they not they give them a fine with a brochure ?

Not teach her about Islam, remind her of the law and its technicalities.

There'll always be agents who'll implement the law in a less than perfect manner. Be it in Iran or elsewhere. Normal people do not start violent riots because of something like this.

Especially that night Mahsa Amini died, when the morality HQ was already packed with a massive crowd. then why did they find the need to pack more people there ?

So laws should stop being enforced on grounds that this or that HQ is packed with people? Also the density in that building was nothing out of the ordinary for a public administration in Iran. Go to any public office and see.

Even in Saudi Arabia they got rid of the morality police. The Saudis are much more intelligent than the government of the Islamic Republic. Their people are generally content and more prosperous than average Iranians. They trade with the US and every other country instead of making enemies with the country with the largest economy on the planet.

And their regime is, in the words of a USA president, a "milking cow" to imperialist powers. It has no real sovereignty, no full fledged independence, no ability to determine policy autonomously.

No different from Iran under the Pahlavi regime. Iranians revolted against the latter in order to see their country's independence restored, and are not going to allow a bunch of elements brainwashed by the enemy to reverse it.

As for people being content, subject the Saudi population to 1% of the propaganda, psy-ops, social engineering Iranians have been suffering, and see what happens.

China is the US's number one rival and the biggest single threat to western hegemony. Yet they trade with the US.

China and the USA weren't rivals when they started to trade on a larger scale. They were geostrategic partners since the Sino-Soviet shift and cooperated closely in southeast Asia, Vietnam and Cambodia specifically.

Also and as said, the USA regime does not view Iran from the same lens. When it comes to Iran, they are not interested at all in replicating the relationship they have with China.

The objective of the zio-American empire vis à vis Iran is this:


Any and all type of rapprochement Washington would be willing to operate with Iran, would be entirely designed to serve the above agenda.

You're repeating certain talking points without taking into account responses you were given. Which tends to make it unnecessarily redundant.

Why do the majority of Iranians have to live below the poverty line because of the Iranian governments unpragmatic, unfeasible and unsustainable economic policies ?

You're repeating a piece of disinformation, why? Once again, the poverty rate in Iran stands at around 18%. Majority of Iranians aren't poor. Please refrain from rehashing inaccurate data.

No but if security forces open fire on people or use excessive brutality towards people, then people eventually get fed up and might respond right ?

Except that it has been the other way around: law enforcement were attacked with mind-boggling brutality from the very onset of these riots, and no, they had not opened fire on anyone before.

If its a non-issue then why don't they get rid of mandatory hejab or get rid of morality police or at the very least lessen their powers rather than allowing them to abduct peoples wives/daughters and beat men who are sitting in a women's only subway or drag away girls if they don't abide by the hejab ?

Arresting an offender is not "abducting". Kindly use the appropriate term.

Why get rid of something which has benefits of its own, seeing how it contributes to upholding decency in public? However, you will have hard a time convincing rationally thinking people that a side aspect such as the duty for women to don a headscarf is public is reason enough to destabilize your country.

I mean almost anywhere in the world if a man goes into a woman's bathroom, the police will eventually use force but option A isn't going to be to approach the suspect and start clubbing him without any warning. Are Iranians not human ? Are they animals ? They don't deserve basic dignity or human rights ?

No clue what you're referring to here.

If you want examples of police violence in the west, be my guest. They are so numerous they could keep you busy for some time.

The west doesn't necessarily want Iran "destroyed" They just want to get rid of the Islamic Republic and many Iranians seem to agree.

No, the zio-American empire wants Iran destroyed. Much more so than they wanted Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yugoslavia destroyed. Iran's a much greater adversary to them than the latter have ever been, and they consider Iran's definitive destruction as the big prize.

Many Iranians want human rights and democracy rather than a religious dictatorship. Many Iranians want a government with transparency and accountability and feel that the current one does not represent their interests sufficiently.

There's no dictatorship in Iran, but religious democracy.

Whilst secular liberal so-called "democracies" in reality are relatively non-coercive totalitarian systems which reduce their subjects to manipulated zombies and slaves blind to their own condition, and work in the exclusive interest of a 1% ruling oligarchy. They represent some of the most perverted, of the most perfidious and criminal regimes conceivable.

When the Islamic Republic was founded about half of Iranians could not read or write. Today most Iranians are literate, young and many well educated, Most Iranians alive today never even lived before the revolution, but they know that $1 used to be worth 70 rials in 1979 and they know that an Iranian passport used to be worth something, it was precious, the most sought after passport in the region. What about today ? Honestly if you travel and have multiple passports you're better off not having it with you.

Do they also know that Iran's infrastructures were multiplied several fold since the 1979 Revolution? Do they know of the hardly paralleled strides taken by Iran in the areas of industrialization, agriculture, public education, public health, science and technology? Are they aware that Iran is leading the Islamic world in scientific research? That Iran is now one of the most independent nations on earth, whereas the ousted monarchy had prime ministers chosen in the Oval Office, as well as its security apparatus and armed forces entirely set up and controlled by western regimes and Isra"el", whose interests Iran was doomed to serve?

This is worth much more than some passport that was completely irrelevant to the great majority of Iranians because they did not have the means to travel abroad in the first place. Or than the inflation rate, which does not change the fact that Iranians on average are enjoying higher living standards today than they used to during the previous, USA- and zionist-subservient regime.
 
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I had gone on record several times before saying at times of economic struggles when the average Iranian is facing severe hardship which leads to mental issues such as stress and anxiety the government should have relaxed some social measures.

Instead we got bans on dogs, more severe crackdown on clothing, more raids on parties, more censorship of internet and social media. Now that strategy worked from 2000 to right about the gas riots. It works until it doesn’t. And finally the population (some not all) revolted.

The enemies of Iran learned a lot from the gas riots and were able to create a longer more sustained color revolution.

At this point you can just hope that the riots don’t enter any type of major kinetic state (armed uprising) and hope they just fizzle out with time or remain relatively low grade like Iraq’s riots.
Excellent commentary...What surprised me the most is that Mullahs in Iran should have been able to read the mood of the population and they did not.

We used to say that Shah was isolated from his people and did not know what is happening because of all the "YES" men around him...I suspect same has happened to the Mullahs...They kept pushing religion down the throat of people instead of relaxing and allowing people to breath....

A major Social freedom policy is a MUST for Iran...Iranians should not be afraid to celebrate their culture the "NORUZ" their "CYRUS" their "Charshanbeh soori"..etc Mullahs have turned whole country into a black clad mass of people commemorating day and nite the death of religious Arab saints 600 years ago!!.

Recently mullahs even started telling people that "Cyrus" did not exist and it is a Zionist myth!!! a direct attack into the heart of Iranian culture and history..makes my blood boil over:mad: and I am not an anti IR person... The IR system has gone off scale with religion and People of Iran who LOVE their culture are pushing back and the F*cking enemies are trying to fish in muddy waters..
 
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It's pretty obvious. I mean it's 30 guys in uniforms inside Iran, riding motorcycles,

Nothing's obvious about that clip.

Caption and people filming from dozens of meters away claim a taxi driver was killed - zero evidence.

They claim a female swimming in the river was fired at - only impact point seen is meters away from that person, and nothing is known about the type of ammunition.

Don't inventing things.

killing civilians without a care in the world,

Show me proof of something like that has taken place.

Just remember dictatorships are always willing to kill their own people to stay in power. It's just in their nature.

Ah, the moralistic "good demoracy versus evil dictatorship", black and white dichotomy again. Not to mention Iran's a democracy, just not a liberal but a religious one.
 
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About water quality question : I think most of the times these trees have access to better water than most people in cities (old water pipes issues).So Yes !
you are wrong on thew quality of water .
About logic : if in production of product A and B you use X and Y amount of same substance, a percent of value of your products should be based on value of this substance.
the money paid for substance not the value of the substance

all aside the bottled water is expensive not the water or orange


Price of Drinking water in Tehran 2500 Toman / 1000 liter that people pay 700 toman
now its drinking water which is sterilized and filtered that is a very expensive operation the price for agriculture water is different

if the well is legal is 30 Toman for 1000litre if the well illegal then 300 Toman if their product is norm of the area , if its not norm of the area then 600 T / 1000 Liter

then go and do your calculation according to real price of the water not the price of bottled water. that was a little dishonest
 
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