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Russia has picked up the first batch of Iraniandrones for its war in Ukraine but it has run into technical problems in the initial tests of the unmanned aircraft, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

Russian cargo planes loaded up Mohajer-6 and Shahed-series unmanned aerial vehicles over several days this month at an Iranian airfield and then ferried the drones to Russia, three U.S. officials told NBC News. The delivery is part of Russia's plans to import “hundreds” of drones from Iran, they said.


US really doubling down that Russia has drones. can we get a least one satellite picture of these drones in Russia?
 
Also there is a myth that Iran and SK were technologically at the same level before the revolution.

I will disprove this by a simple counter example:

- Samsung was initially a noodle company and then entered domestic refinery in 1960. 1960!!
All before semiconductor development.

- In Iran, Razmara said we cannot make loolhang and you want to make refinery?!!

Same story of Abgusht bozbash today.

So spare me the myth of :
- we were Japan at the time of Amir Kabir. Oops we were 90 percent illiterate. Did you check Japanese literacy?
Japan's literacy rate at the time of the collapse of the Tokugawa shogunate in 1868 is estimated at 40 percent, a level that compares favorably with many Western nations at the time.

Japanese literacy at the time of Shogunate fall in 1860 is close to literacy rate of Iran and Turkey in 1970s :)

- We were SK in auto industry. I beg to differ. Let’s just compare the national oil industry.

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Iran never was ahead of south Korea in modern times. European countries? Please.
some very interesting east Europe country or some island , with mainly fishing industry , arn't there considered European . and yes in late 70s ou r technology was more advance than south korea
as i showed in case of car industry
53 years of Pahlavi monarchy to have 100.000 university students. 43 years of Islamic Republic to arrive at 4,5 million university students.
you knew and i knew those were not comparable . wonder why you insist on putting forward that childish comparison . let just say even in physic we have a law governing inertia .
For nearly a decade the Peykan was screwed together from knock-down kits imported fromagricultur the UK. It's actual name is Hillman Hunter and it's basically a British car. In 1975 South Korea was exporting its domestically developed automobiles.
in 1975 all of peykan except the engine was produced in iran , in 1978 iran even produced the engine . when was the time that s. korea produced all part of the car domestically .
And then they started serial production of those. There was no equivalent in Iran.
as i said they started in 1962 , we 5 year later but the question is were we comparing early 60 or late 70 . have i ever talked about Iran in early 60 , you never get me arguing Iran had any industry in early 60 so please limit your argument to late 70s
I clearly mentioned the state of south Korean automotive industries in the 1970's.
and i stated that it was joint venture with foreign companies and they never produced all of any car inside their country, we did at 1978.
South Korea brands began manufacturing their very own cars by the mid-1970's, not simply producing foreign ones under license. They were even exporting the former and their industry was significantly more diversified than the Iranian one, which could only manage to produce a single type in meaningful numbers.
those brands were relying on Japanese and American parts.
so please tell me which of their brand produced all of the car inside of s. korea and it happened at which year ?
Where did I claim Iranian industries stagnated or that Iran has been over-relying on oil since the Revolution? It's the exact opposite I stated. Iranian industries greatly expanded after 1979 thanks to a superior economic development strategy.
its exactly what happened , you are denying the fact here .
Iran in 2010 , if its not mismanagement and lazy official incompetence and over reliance on oil then what is it?
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funny fact the pink part is also part of oil industry
Maybe major catastrophes would have befallen Iran, like when secularist freemasons encroached on public institutions, and Iranians were subjected to genocide tens years later.
yeah catastrophe , he was student of sheykh bahai and follower of his step . all we have from safavide era is handiwork of sheykh bahai and his students.
by saying that well its like saying naser-aldin shah did a service to Iran by killing Amir kabir
you sometimes are walking at the border of sanity with your claims.
Oil is an obstacle to both economic and human development.

This has been demonstrated by ample academic research. Norway and the Netherlands were examined thoroughly by the authors who modelized the impeding effect of oil on agriculture and industries. Both these countries had their industrialization slowed down by the oil sector.

W. M. Corden, Booming Sector and Dutch Disease Economics: Survey and Consolidation, Oxford Economic Papers, Vol. 36, No. 3 (Nov., 1984), pp. 359-380.
official mismanagement is worse than that and its shown through the course of human history . if you want to deny that then you have no right to criticize Rouhani management of nuclear and foreign relation matters.
And during the Sacred Defence Iran laid the groundwork for her rapid post-war development.

But the conflict took a considerable toll on the Iranian economy including the industries nonetheless.
exactly which industry ? Oil ? iran industry outside the area near border were fairly intact , that war if anything must have act as a catalist to that industries to move ahead , why thhat was not happened , let tell you because of official mismanagement during the war and after it.

Peikan was an achievement made by Khayami brothers but it was not completely domestic. khayami had the dream of full domestic production by 1360.

Peikan design is actually a facelift of an English car with some changes due to eventual problems.
every body knew the history of peykan .
In 1967, Rootes began exporting Hillman Hunters to Iran Khodro in "complete knock down" (CKD) kit form, for assembly in Iran. By the mid-1970s, full-scale manufacturing of the car (minus the engine) had started in Iran. In 1978, Peugeot took over the Rootes company purchased from Chrysler Corp, after Chrysler exited the EU market; a year later, Peugeot ended Hillman Hunter production in Ireland. Following this, the Paykan's engine production tooling was moved to Iran and was in full-scale manufacturing under Peugeot licence.
 
- We were SK in auto industry. I beg to differ. Let’s just compare the national oil industry.
let compare auto industry at which year south korea produced a complete car domestically .
wonder why you guys compare 60s when the discussion is about late 70s
 
let compare auto industry at which year south korea produced a complete car domestically .
wonder why you guys compare 60s when the discussion is about late 70s

They closed their auto market to imports and enforced export stating from 1983 to US.

Do we support closed market for cars now?

Did we plan to export Peikan to US in 1983 like Hyundai Pony?

Samsung built this computer in 1983. Did Shah plan to make one in 1983?


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The average person in any country does not care if the pencil he is using is made from scratch in his country. Average person has a short life finite lifespan. They care about job opportunity, livable wages, ability to rise social economic ladder, and overall economic prosperity and happiness. The average person puts his welfare ahead of his country. It’s just how humans are. Expecting the average citizen to care about Geopolitical great power games is unrealistic.

Eventually Iran will need to fix its economic situation. Blaming everything on sanctions and foreign plots will not suffice. Doing nothing to truly remedy the economic situation will not suffice. Losing most of your best talent to brain drain is not optimal and costs iran tens of billions of dollars (if not hundreds) a year in lost economic potential.

If your a top graduate mind in Iran, many western countries top tech/engineering/medical companies will scoop you up. What incentive is there for most of them to stay given the conditions right now?

This is a vicious cycle Iran is trapped in and must break out of.

Thought experiment: If you asked 1000 people living in Iran right now in the age range of 21-40 if they wanted to stay living in Iran or have ability to live in another country. What % would say another country?
 
some very interesting east Europe country or some island , with mainly fishing industry , arn't there considered European . and yes in late 70s ou r technology was more advance than south korea
as i showed in case of car industry

Iran wasn't more advanced than those.

you knew and i knew those were not comparable . wonder why you insist on putting forward that childish comparison . let just say even in physic we have a law governing inertia .

The figures are every bit as comparable as any other set of development indicators.

in 1975 all of peykan except the engine was produced in iran , in 1978 iran even produced the engine . when was the time that s. korea produced all part of the car domestically .
those brands were relying on Japanese and American parts.
so please tell me which of their brand produced all of the car inside of s. korea and it happened at which year ?

In 1975, 90% of the Hyundai Pony was manufactured in Korea. But contrary to Peykan, it was a unique Korean-developed automobile, not a foreign one produced under license. When did the not so aptly named Iran National (rather than Iran International as you called them) roll out its first domestic car, I wonder?

As for car engines, in the 1950's south Korea was already building 50% of the Sibal's engine. It stands to reason that Hyundai at some early point obtained a license to produce the Mitsubishi engine locally.

and i stated that it was joint venture with foreign companies and they never produced all of any car inside their country, we did at 1978.

It not being a joint-venture tells nothing about the technological level.

its exactly what happened , you are denying the fact here .
Iran in 2010 , if its not mismanagement and lazy official incompetence and over reliance on oil then what is it?
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funny fact the pink part is also part of oil industry

Bogus chart by the USA's Energy Information Agency. American regime institutions and their notoriously skewed data on Iran are indeed a go-to source par excellence for those keen on formulating these sorts of contentions.

yeah catastrophe , he was student of sheykh bahai and follower of his step . all we have from safavide era is handiwork of sheykh bahai and his students.
by saying that well its like saying naser-aldin shah did a service to Iran by killing Amir kabir
you sometimes are walking at the border of sanity with your claims.

It's not Sheikh Bahai I was taking issue with, but the fraudulent contrasting juxtaposition between competence in state affairs on the one hand and religiosity on the other.

Indeed, the same Amir Kabir who suppressed the Babi uprising. Don't connect him with the secularist deviation.

official mismanagement is worse than that and its shown through the course of human history . if you want to deny that then you have no right to criticize Rouhani management of nuclear and foreign relation matters.

Oil is an impediment to industrial development full stop.

The Islamic Republic can hardly be labeled as an embodiment of economic mismanagement, yet another buzz word highly en vogue with the counter-revolutionary crowd.

exactly which industry ? Oil ? iran industry outside the area near border were fairly intact , that war if anything must have act as a catalist to that industries to move ahead , why thhat was not happened , let tell you because of official mismanagement during the war and after it.

Inane talk. The war put a heavy burden on the Iranian economy, if alone because of up to $1000 billions of damage it caused. The UN puts the damage resulting from direct physical destruction at an average of nearly 24% of the annual GDP. These conditions aren't considered conducive to economic and civilian industrial development by any rational measure.

Generally speaking, a statement like "war if anything must act as a catalyst to those [civilian] industries to move ahead" tends to betray ignorance of the broken window fallacy, an key concept in the understanding of the impact of armed conflicts on a nation's economy.

In fact studies tend to highlight not just ambivalent but very often rather negative overall consequences of war on most of the driving factors behind economic development. And none of it has anything to do with "mismanagement", but with war itself.

Following papers offer an insight into these findings:

Economic impact of war​

24 February 2022 by Tejvan Pettinger

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2180/economics/economic-impact-of-war/

Is War Good For Economies?​

Peter Pham
Nov 6, 2017,04:45am EST

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterpham/2017/11/06/is-war-good-for-economies/?sh=411129ad4d9d

War Does Not Help The Economy​

January 31, 2018

There is a popular assumption that war, or even increased military spending, will boost a nation’s economy. True, when a nation goes to war the surge of government investment into war-related industries can lead to short-term economic gains. However, these gains are short-lived, affect only certain, usually isolated, industries (“conflict industry”, “war profiteers”), and are no consolation for the long-term economic cost of war.
  • Increased military spending leads to slower, and in some cases negative, economic growth.
  • Over a 20-year period, a 1% increase in military spending will decrease a country’s economic growth by 9%.
  • Increased military spending is especially detrimental to the economic growth of wealthier countries.
A study of six major U.S. wars (World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq) finds the costs of war to negatively affect the national economy, taxes, debt, jobs, investment, and inflation. Key findings of the report show that in most wars public debt, inflation, and tax rates increase, consumption and investment decrease, and military spending displaces more productive government investment in high-tech industries, education or infrastructure—all of which severely affect long-term economic growth rates.

 
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Samsung built this computer in 1983. Did Shah plan to make one in 1983?

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Samsung and affiliates were producing fighter jet engines in 1980, 5 million TV sets in 1978, and had become one of the largest shipbuilders in the world as early as 1974. But some will imagine Iran was ahead in all these domains.
 
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They closed their auto market to imports and enforced export stating from 1983 to US.

Do we support closed market for cars now?

Did we plan to export Peikan to US in 1983 like Hyundai Pony?

Samsung built this computer in 1983. Did Shah plan to make one in 1983?


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I have a better question for you , Did Iran Private sector had no plan on producing computer in 1983 ? why you guys most be fixated on on governmental management . 90% of what happened before revolution was private sector , after revolution all that sectors were gobbled up by conglomerated of badly managed governmental entity , that was the reason we fall back in the competition and it was the case until they allowed private sector breath again . wonder why you don;t get it its very bad if the government want control to manage anything , it kill the spirit in private sector and that private sector is the engine of economy , otherwise the only thing you can expect from inefficient governmental management is selling oil and spend the money

by the way how do you knew Iran-international which was a private company after producing all part of peykan in Iran in late 1978 early 1979 didn't had plan to export it .they went in 11 year from completely import ready to assemble kits to build all the part in Iran thanks to their efficient management . what they did in the next 45 year of governmental management as Iran-Khodro
 
Iran wasn't more advanced than those.
yeah , albania , cyprus , iceland , ireland ,Likhten stein , malta ,....
The figures are every bit as comparable as any other set of development indicators.
look at every country the initial advancement is a lot harder than the advance in middle of the road and then they again slow down
As for car engines, in the 1950's south Korea was already building 50% of the Sibal's engine. It stands to reason that Hyundai at some early point obtained a license to produce the Mitsubishi engine locally.
probably 90s
It not being a joint-venture tells nothing about the technological level.
tell you something , when a foreign company leave the country they had to look for another foreign partner to being able to continue production

As for car engines, in the 1950's south Korea was already building 50% of the Sibal's engine. It stands to reason that Hyundai at some early point obtained a license to produce the Mitsubishi engine locally.
yeah in your dream
in 1955, the Sibal wyes completely koreaas initially hand-built using mostly imported parts, and a body shell made from old oil drums. Based on the Willys Jeep, production was slow until the vehicle gained a presidential award, whereupon it became a relatively popular choice for Korean taxi firms.
In 1975, 90% of the Hyundai Pony was manufactured in Korea. But contrary to Peykan, it was a unique Korean-developed automobile, not a foreign one produced under license. When did the not so aptly named Iran National (not "Iran International" as you called them) roll out its first domestic car, I wonder?
yes completely korean design
Hyundai had already ventured into car production by producing locally built versions of the Ford Cortina under licence from 1968. When the company wanted to develop their own car, they hired George Turnbull, the former managing director of Austin Morris at British Leyland in 1974.[2] He in turn hired five other top British car engineers, Kenneth Barnett as body designer, engineers John Simpson and Edward Chapman, John Crosthwaite as chassis engineer and Peter Slater as chief development engineer.[3][4] With Turnbull's experience with the Morris Marina,[5] engines and transmissions from Mitsubishi, some parts from the Ford Cortina they were already producing, and a hatchback body styled by Italdesign Giugiaro, they developed the Hyundai Pony.
Bogus chart by the USA's Energy Information Agency. American regime institutions and their notoriously skewed data on Iran are indeed a go-to source par excellence for those keen on formulating these sorts of contentions.
show us the correct chart if you can , its the hard bitter fact of inefficient Ahmadinejad government
It's not Sheikh Bahai I was taking issue with, but the fraudulent contrasting juxtaposition between competence in state affairs on the one hand and religiosity on the other.
you don't get it , Molla-Sadra was also a religious figure , at the time there was two narrative inside Iran education systems which was a combination of What today you call religious study and modern study . one group believed that they must focus on religious study as its come in hadith and Quran , the other insisted in they must ask question about those teaching and find the reason for them with modern studies both of them were the same amount religious but had different taste . King Abbas and later Safavide kings saw they can control the ones who insisted on teaching علوم نقلی a lot easier than the group who taught them along side علوم عقلی . so they start a campaign of marginalizing them and in just one generation eliminating them from Iran higher education system as a result science like mathematics , physics and biology eliminated from what taught at schools and they the schools that produced people like Ave-Cina , Georgani , Khawrazmi and ... start producing governmental clerics and medics who were only do dubious practice and it resulted in the country fall back. for years those school failed to produced any prominent scientist or clerics
The Islamic Republic can hardly be labeled as an embodiment of economic mismanagement, yet another buzz word highly en vogue with the counter-revolutionary crowd.
only if you wanted to see the truth . just look at how Russia managed foreign sanction and how Iran did it .
if its not mismanagement then what is it.
The war was a burden on the Iranian economy, if alone because of the up to $1000 billions of damage it caused.
and that must have been enough incentive for the fairly intact industry to flourish and fix the damage , if they were managed correctly
A study of six major U.S. wars (World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Cold War, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq) finds the costs of war to negatively affect the national economy, taxes, debt, jobs, investment, and inflation. Key findings of the report show that in most wars public debt, inflation, and tax rates increase, consumption and investment decrease, and military spending displaces more productive government investment in high-tech industries, education or infrastructure—all of which severely affect long-term economic growth rates.
the war advance the technology in the country on war related material that it can later applied to other sector , that was not the case of Iran.
 
yeah , albania , cyprus , iceland , ireland ,Likhten stein , malta ,....

Not exactly.

look at every country the initial advancement is a lot harder than the advance in middle of the road and then they again slow down

Even under such a hypothesis the Islamic Republic achieved comparatively superior results.

probably 90s

The Hyundai Pony was no longer produced in the 1990's.

tell you something , when a foreign company leave the country they had to look for another foreign partner to being able to continue production

Unrelated to the level of technology involved.

yeah in your dream

Why dream of it when it's reality:

We're told around 50 per cent of the Sibal's engine (...) was produced in Korea


yes completely korean design

Did I use the phrase "completely Korean design"? However it incorporated more indigenous engineering than the Peykan ever did prior to the Islamic Revolution and that's a fact.

Iran National's 1978 purchase of a production license for engines was not the extraordinary industrial feat some would make it out to be. It involved little domestic effort and essentially boiled down to PGCC-style spending of petroleum windfall on foreign supplied services. Westerners sold Iran the needed documentation and machinery, westerners set up the production line, westerners trained Iranian technicians on how to use it, and Iran National paid them license fees for every engine produced. That's quite the money flowing into the pockets of western companies.

Such a scheme was well within the reach of south Korean automotive producers as well. They however chose a strategy that would prove its worth in the following years.

show us the correct chart if you can , its the hard bitter fact of inefficient Ahmadinejad government

I don't actually need to, because the mere citation of wild allegations about Iran issued by the US regime, automatically disqualifies any argument based thereupon. It's been established beyond doubt that hostile powers have had a rather nasty habit of churning out manipulated reports on practically every topic related to Iran, and that they've systematically been attempting to downplay the Islamic Republic's achievements.

But just so Iranians won't be misled by the fictitious numbers put forth by the enemy, here the accurate ones:

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https://www.eghtesadnews.com/بخش-اخبار-اقتصادی-67/502737-سهم-اندک-بخش-صنعت-در-رشد-اقتصادی-ایران

In other terms, by attributing roughly "80%" of Iran's industrial output to crude oil, the US regime's Energy Information Agency is arbitrarily adding an absurd 55% (!) excess share to the sector, whilst in reality it accounts for no more than 25% of total industrial manufacturing in Iran (crude oil and gas represented 7,9% of the overall Iranian economy in 1400, which amounts exactly to one third of the 23,7% made up by the non-crude oil and gas industries).

In fact the EIA's shameless piece of disinformation perfectly describes the state of Iran's industries under the US-subservient Pahlavi regime, including in the 1970's. There's propaganda and propaganda, this however truly hits rock bottom.

As for the Ahmadinejad administration it performed rather well in the economic field during its first tenure, with non-oil branches such as steel experiencing unprecedented growth.

you don't get it , Molla-Sadra was also a religious figure , at the time there was two narrative inside Iran education systems which was a combination of What today you call religious study and modern study . one group believed that they must focus on religious study as its come in hadith and Quran , the other insisted in they must ask question about those teaching and find the reason for them with modern studies both of them were the same amount religious but had different taste . King Abbas and later Safavide kings saw they can control the ones who insisted on teaching علوم نقلی a lot easier than the group who taught them along side علوم عقلی . so they start a campaign of marginalizing them and in just one generation eliminating them from Iran higher education system as a result science like mathematics , physics and biology eliminated from what taught at schools and they the schools that produced people like Ave-Cina , Georgani , Khawrazmi and ... start producing governmental clerics and medics who were only do dubious practice and it resulted in the country fall back. for years those school failed to produced any prominent scientist or clerics

Underlying these interpretations of history is a contrasting juxtaposition of faith and reason, of Islamic tradition and "progress" in the sense of the 17th-18th century theories of so-called "Enlightenment" which took shape in the west. It's the reading of the discussed episode that's questionable, as if the operative line of divide was defined by this particular set of criteria.

The reason for Islamic teachings is not to be found in profane science, for the latter does not precede human submission to the Almighty. At best can profane science serve as an additional layer to the foundations of our faith, but in this regard it can never be considered as foundational onto itself. Otherwise the door would be wide open to interpretative subversion, at a latter stage even to attempted "refutation" of din. A historic thought process observed in the freemason-dominated west as well as in other secularist polities.

only if you wanted to see the truth . just look at how Russia managed foreign sanction and how Iran did it .
if its not mismanagement then what is it.

A government achieving as many milestones as the Islamic Republic is hardly the most prone to mismanagement now is it.

and that must have been enough incentive for the fairly intact industry to flourish and fix the damage , if they were managed correctly

No administration can make industries 'flourish' when an economy the size of Iran's is taking hits to the tune of $1000 billion. The above quote resembles a broken window fallacy.

the war advance the technology in the country on war related material that it can later applied to other sector , that was not the case of Iran.

The abstract clearly states that the six wars they studied had a negative impact on investment, seeing how it came to be directed towards less productive industries as a result of these conflicts. In the context of the eight-year war imposed on her, Iran formed no exception to this occurrence.
 
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خواندنی‌های تاریخ| «بحران آب» در ایران، یادگار دوره پهلوی!

بحران آب در ایران از کی شروع شد؟ اصلاحات ارضی که پهلوی دوم انجام داد، فقط به کشاورزی ایران لطمه نزد بلکه برای وضعیت آب ایران هم بحران‌ساز شد؛ منابع هزاران ساله آب در ایران را خشکاند!

خواندنی‌های تاریخ| «بحران آب» در ایران، یادگار دوره پهلوی!


گروه تاریخ خبرگزاری فارس ـ امین رحیمی: اصلاحات ارضی که از ابتدای دهه ۴۰ شمسی در ایران اجرا شد، زمین‌های زراعی بزرگ را از مالکان گرفت و این‌طوری بود: «زمین برای اولین‌بار در تاریخ ایران خُرد شد و مقیاس کشاورزی کوچک شد... زمین‌های هزاران روستا تقسیم شد و یک میلیون و ۸۵۰ هزار نفر یعنی ۶۵ درصد کسانی که زمین دریافت کردند، زمین‌هایشان کوچک‌تر از ۵ هکتار بود و در واقع اغلبشان زمین‌های ۲ هکتاری گرفتند... نتیجه آن که کشاورزی ایران طی دهه ۴۰ شمسی به‌تدریج از حرکت ایستاد و ایران در دهه ۵۰ شمسی یکی از بزرگ‌ترین واردکنندگان انواع غله و موادغذایی شد. برای نمونه واردات گندم از سال ۱۳۴۳ تا سال ۱۳۵۵ حدود چهار برابر شد».
این از وضعیت کشاورزی؛ حالا وضعیت آب چه شد؟ «ابوالحسن بهنیا» که در دوره اصلاحات ارضی وزیر راه بود، بعدها اعتراف کرد: «بر اثر اصلاحات ارضی تقریباً مردم و کشاورزان نتوانستند مثل سابق قنات را دایر نگه دارند. چون قنات یک کانالی است زیرزمینی که هرسال بایستی در آن کار و تعمیرات کرد. اگر یک سال شما کار نکنید مقدار آب قنات پایین می‌آید و اگر چندین سال ادامه پیدا کند اصلاً قنات خشک می‌شود... به‌تدریج آب قنوات خشک شد و از این جهت خسارت مهمی به قنات رسید... بعد‌ها هم که کاری انجام دادند همه‌اش به فکر این شدند که سد‌های بزرگ ساخته شود».
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خیلی‌ها در دوره اصلاحات ارضی و بعدها به از بین بردن قنات‌ها که منابع هزاران ساله آب در ایران بودند، اعتراف کردند. «غلامعلی فریور» هم که آن‌موقع وزیر صنایع و معادن بود سخنان مشابهی دارد و گفته است: «زارعِ دو هکتار زمین‌ قادر به اصلاح قنات نیست. قنات هم اگر چند سال از آن گذشت به‌کلی خراب می‌شود و از بین می‌رود. اصلاً دیگر آن قنات را باید متروکش دانست... به‌طوری خراب می‌شود که کاریش نمی‌توان کرد. آن رشته را دیگر باید ول کرد. زارعِ دوهکتاری، قنات‌آبادکن نیست».
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So the US has tripled and quadrupled down saying that Iran has sold Russia hundreds of drones. In their latest statement they said that Russia is in possession of Mohajer-6 drones and Shahed types, wtv that means, maybe Shahed 136 kamikaze drones or Shahed 171 semi stealth drones that can carry 2 PGMs ? However the Americans also said that many Iranian drones were "defective" How would they even know something like that ? They sure weren't defective when they hit Abqaiq but now they're defective ?

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So apparently there are rumors that Chechens under Kadyrov is sending 20,000 elite troops into Ukraine for the Donbas front and Russia is sending tens of thousands of fresh troops as well who initially began training in March. So that 6 months, they're ready now. There are videos showing convoys of T-80, T-90s heading into Ukraine and allegedly these units will also be equipped with Iranian drones.

Officially Russia says they're sending 15,000 additional troops into Ukraine but I don't buy it. Chechnya has a population of 1.4 million, Russia 140+ million so my guess is that Russia is likely sending atleast 50,000 troops, maybe 20,000 a month for the next few months ? Anyways only time will tell

Ukraine's long anticipated counter offensive seems to have failed. Apparently on the second day Russia killed 1200 Ukrainian troops and has destroyed more than 100 tanks, armored vehicles and technicals. The hospitals in Kryvih Rih and Mykolaiv, nearby cities are reportedly pleading, urging people to donate blood. Seems like Ukraine made some temporary gains but lost most of them when Russia sent in reinforcements.

Pentagon reports that Russia is in possession of Iranian drones. Mohajer-6 and Shahed type. Russia denies.


Ukraine Kherson counter offensive quickly failing. Reports of 1200 Ukrainian soldiers KIA

 

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