Iranian Chill Thread

[TheImmortal]

In shah era, Even in tehran most people lived in worst condition in halabia bad(slums) and old houses in South of tehran.
This show what was life of other iranians in small cities and vilages and nomadic peoples.


Life of %1 of iranian people in shah era.
Its just a funny propaganda.

Compared to Turkey, S Korea, and Israel....Iran in 1970’s was far ahead of them all. Again it’s important to realize 1970’s in most developed countries “outside of your 5 cities” were likely not that glamorous. Hell Russia today outside its top 3 cities is not glamorous.

But we have to refrain from reivisiont history.

After all, even saying 1979 revolution didn’t occur. The shah would likely have died within 5 years with cancer either way. Which means that by 1985 either the son would have to take the throne at VERY young age or the then Queen would have to led the nation, or a military coup.

Then there is the question, how long can you truly keep a monarchy? Eventually even in a “secular” Iran you would have calls for the monarchy to be abolished and for “democracy” to take hold. See Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc.

So there is no guarantee post 1985ish Iran would be more stable and economically prosperous. From the viewpoint of No sanctions And no trade embargo with USA then of course Iran would likely be more economically thriving in international trade. But we also have plenty of energy rich countries who are not doing very well (Iraq, Venezuela, Libya).

My point is some like to assume if revolution didn’t occur Iran would be some economic supergiant, but the truth is Iran would be leaderless. The glue holding the entire complicated foreign created security apparatus together would have died from cancer either way. After that is a big “what if”.

 

[Stryker1982]

Compared to Turkey, S Korea, and Israel....Iran in 1970’s was far ahead of them all. Again it’s important to realize 1970’s in most developed countries “outside of your 5 cities” were likely not that glamorous. Hell Russia today outside its top 3 cities is not glamorous.

But we have to refrain from reivisiont history.

After all, even saying 1979 revolution didn’t occur. The shah would likely have died within 5 years with cancer either way. Which means that by 1985 either the son would have to take the throne at VERY young age or the then Queen would have to led the nation, or a military coup.

Then there is the question, how long can you truly keep a monarchy? Eventually even in a “secular” Iran you would have calls for the monarchy to be abolished and for “democracy” to take hold. See Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc.

So there is no guarantee post 1985ish Iran would be more stable and economically prosperous. From the viewpoint of No sanctions And no trade embargo with USA then of course Iran would likely be more economically thriving in international trade. But we also have plenty of energy rich countries who are not doing very well (Iraq, Venezuela, Libya).

My point is some like to assume if revolution didn’t occur Iran would be some economic supergiant, but the truth is Iran would be leaderless. The glue holding the entire complicated foreign created security apparatus together would have died from cancer either way. After that is a big “what if”.

It would've been different if in 1978, the Shah was 40 and in good health, but as you saw he was aged and also sick. Who knows how things would be.

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1564348841847144451

Sadr is a huge cancer to Iraq. Biggest mistake was US not killing this guy back in when he led the Mehdi Army.

Dude turned his back to Iran after getting all that he needed. Typical Arab politician. This is exactly why nearly ever major Arab country is weak against Imperalism today.

There is always a few power brokers that “can’t wait to be king”, as the old Disney saying goes. The back fighting and betrayal highlights Middle Eastern affairs for past 100 years.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Compared to Turkey, S Korea, and Israel....Iran in 1970’s was far ahead of them all. Again it’s important to realize 1970’s in most developed countries “outside of your 5 cities” were likely not that glamorous. Hell Russia today outside its top 3 cities is not glamorous.

But we have to refrain from reivisiont history.

After all, even saying 1979 revolution didn’t occur. The shah would likely have died within 5 years with cancer either way. Which means that by 1985 either the son would have to take the throne at VERY young age or the then Queen would have to led the nation, or a military coup.

Then there is the question, how long can you truly keep a monarchy? Eventually even in a “secular” Iran you would have calls for the monarchy to be abolished and for “democracy” to take hold. See Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc.

So there is no guarantee post 1985ish Iran would be more stable and economically prosperous. From the viewpoint of No sanctions And no trade embargo with USA then of course Iran would likely be more economically thriving in international trade. But we also have plenty of energy rich countries who are not doing very well (Iraq, Venezuela, Libya).

My point is some like to assume if revolution didn’t occur Iran would be some economic supergiant, but the truth is Iran would be leaderless. The glue holding the entire complicated foreign created security apparatus together would have died from cancer either way. After that is a big “what if”.

Iran was far ahead of israel and turkey and South korea??!!!!!!!
It this a joke? How do you compare iran 1979 with these countries?
Only in military equipment (from USA with oil money) iran was better than these countries

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran was far ahead of israel and turkey and South korea??!!!!!!!
It this a joke? How do you compare iran 1979 with these countries?
Only in military equipment (from USA with oil money) iran was better than these countries

in those time we had car industry , home appliance industry , we had a lot better education system .. so yes we were better than Turkey and South Korea . israel they had good education system , but their industry i believe was inferior to us at the time . and come on turkey and south korea army of the time ? don't make jokes

 

[Mehdipersian]

in those time we had car industry , home appliance industry , we had a lot better education system .. so yes we were better than Turkey and South Korea . israel they had good education system , but their industry i believe was inferior to us at the time . and come on turkey and south korea army of the time ? don't make jokes

Car industry?!?! It this a joke? assemble 3 model car is car industry?!all things iran had assembled parts of western companies products . Most people in 1979 were uneducated in iran. It was rare to became a University student.iran was a weak country and only a puppet for other countries.
Even USA sold weapons to shah because iran should keep oil fields secure from soviet and communists in middle east

 

[Hack-Hook]

Car industry?!?! It this a joke? assemble 3 moder car is car industry?! Most people in 1979 were uneducated in iran. It was rare to became a University student.

something non of those country had. no it was not that rare in cities

 

[Mehdipersian]

something non of those country had. no it was not that rare in cities

No it was very rare even in tehran. You should read these:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Turkey
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_South_Korea

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Just a little update brothers the piece of $hit @unrequitted_love_suzy has been banned permanently and his IP.

Thanks waz. This guy was probably the same guy spreading weird nonsense on Internet for 20 years claiming Afghans are the real Iranians and that Iranians are turks. Good riddance.

 

[Raghfarm007]

in those time we had car industry , home appliance industry , we had a lot better education system .. so yes we were better than Turkey and South Korea . israel they had good education system , but their industry i believe was inferior to us at the time . and come on turkey and south korea army of the time ? don't make jokes

Iran had 65% of its population as totally illiterate, and only 100,000 university students. And it had no industries outside assembelling cars and household electronics from fully imported components. We made abseloutely nothing.

Today we have above 90% literacy rate and 4.2 million university students. and we actually have real industries of our own.

please top living in a fantacy world painted by propeganda outlets like the BBC and Manoto....

 

[QWECXZ]

Iran had 65% of its population as totally illiterate, and only 100,000 university students. And it had no industries outside assembelling cars and household electronics from fully imported components. We made abseloutely nothing.

Today we have above 90% literacy rate and 4.2 million university students. and we actually have real industries of our own.

please top living in a fantacy world painted by propeganda outlets like the BBC and Manoto....

Hack-Hook and TheImmortal were not comparing today's Iran with Iran in 1970s.
They were comparing 1970s Iran with 1970s Turkey, South Korea and Israel and they do have a point.
Moreover, do you guys really expect Iran's literacy rate to have remained the same after almost 44 years?
Also, Iran's adult literacy rate stands at 86%, not above 90%.

Turkey's literacy rate was 25.8% in 1975. So, the whole Omid Dana-type and Salar-type narrative that the "traitor Shah" had kept Iran backward and the Grand Ayatollah suddenly turned Iran into a soon to be supa powa does not really apply here.
Iran was doing pretty well for regional standards in all areas of education, including higher education. Saudi Arabia, another regional rival of today's Iran, had literacy rates of 15% for men, and about 2% for women. And guess what? Adult literacy rate in today's Saudi Arabia stands at 97.59%

Israel and South Korea had better literacy rates, but they didn't have better industries than Iran back then. Iran was more advanced than South Korea in electronics, automotive industry, home appliances, nuclear technology, etc. I don't know about Israel though.

Also, whatever automotive industry Iran had in 1970s, tens of millions of Iranians and I would prefer to return to that time than the garbage we produce today. Paykan was a much better car for its time than Pride, for example. Iran's automotive industry is a sad joke. When Peugeot 206, which is a 1990s car, is still sold for over $10K in Iran with a much lower quality than European standards, you can see why Iranians are dissatisfied with the automotive industry. And Peugeot 206 is still a good car compared to the junk that is produced in Iran.

Car industry?!?! It this a joke? assemble 3 model car is car industry?!all things iran had assembled parts of western companies products . Most people in 1979 were uneducated in iran. It was rare to became a University student.iran was a weak country and only a puppet for other countries.
Even USA sold weapons to shah because iran should keep oil fields secure from soviet and communists in middle east

Yeah. They should've signed contracts with French companies like Peugeot to milk us, and then invite them to Iran again after unilaterally breaching our contracts several times, or even better, they should've assembled Chinese economic cars and called them national platforms.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Compared to Turkey, S Korea, and Israel....Iran in 1970’s was far ahead of them all. Again it’s important to realize 1970’s in most developed countries “outside of your 5 cities” were likely not that glamorous. Hell Russia today outside its top 3 cities is not glamorous.

in those time we had car industry , home appliance industry , we had a lot better education system .. so yes we were better than Turkey and South Korea . israel they had good education system , but their industry i believe was inferior to us at the time . and come on turkey and south korea army of the time ? don't make jokes

Hack-Hook and TheImmortal were not comparing today's Iran with Iran in 1970s.
They were comparing 1970s Iran with 1970s Turkey, South Korea and Israel and they do have a point.

Israel and South Korea had better literacy rates, but they didn't have better industries than Iran back then. Iran was more advanced than South Korea in electronics, automotive industry, home appliances, nuclear technology, etc. I don't know about Israel though.

Iran in the 1970's was not ahead of South Korea. This is one of the most common myths Iranian monarchists believe in, and it spread to the general Iranian public to a certain extent. However, it is not factual.

In the 1970's, south Korea had already built itself a non-negligible industrial basis. Let's take their automobile industry as an example.

The first locally produced car in south Korea was the Sibal jeep. Production launch: 1955. Where was Iran's car industry in 1955?

Then in 1962, the south Korean regime initiated its so-called "Automobile Industry Promotion Policy", introducing protectionist measures to support nascent domestic manufacturing. Important lesson for Iranians who subscribe to economic ultra-liberalism, free trade and a no-holds barred market doctrine: the same south Korea they like to cite as a success story by contrasting it with post-revolutionary Iran, made it illegal for foreign companies to operate in the Korean automobile sector, except in joint ventures with local business. It's measures like these which helped Korea turn into the automobile giant it is today.

Indeed, at least five major companies sprung up between 1962 and 1968 and began assembling automobiles in cooperation with Japanese and USA firms. Again, south Korea was ahead of Iran given that Iran Khodro's assembly line of Peykans from British-supplied CKD kits was launched in 1967, that's five years after the first such project became active in Korea.

In the 1970's south Korea took another leap ahead of Iran, by introducing its first locally developed, mass produced car.

This is the famous Hyundai Pony, production start: 1975. Although there was some input by foreign companies, it's still considered a Korean effort.

Question: where were Iran's domestic developments in the automobile industry in 1975? Answer: non-existent and nowhere in sight.

The next milestone for south Korea followed just a year later: in 1976, Hyundai began exporting the Pony to South America. As early as 1983, it entered the Canadian market and in 1986 it began to be sold in the USA under the name Excel. Thus began south Korea's conquest of western market shares.

Have a look at other industries and you'll be confronted with a similar picture.

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As for the quality of the Iranian-assembled Hillman Hunter in comparison to contemporary cars made in Iran, assuming the former comes out on top (which is yet to be proven), don't forget the relative percentage of Iranians who could afford to purchase and own a car then versus now. Since the Islamic Revolution, car ownership hasn't ceased increasing among the Iranian population and production has risen severalfold.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1564348841847144451

Sadr is a huge cancer to Iraq. Biggest mistake was US not killing this guy back in when he led the Mehdi Army.

Why would the USA have killed him? He ended up serving their interests with his lame antics, and Washington is glad about ongoing political instability in Baghdad. In fact the USA regime can be credited with pretty accurate foresight in this specific case.

 

[QWECXZ]

Iran in the 1970's was not ahead of South Korea. This is one of the most common clichés Iranian monarchists believe in, and it spread to the general Iranian public to a certain extent. However, it is not factual.

South Korea had built a considerable industrial basis in the 1960's and 1970's already. Let's take their automobile industry as an example.

The first locally produced car in south Korea was the Sibal jeep. Production launch: 1955. Where was Iran's car industry in 1955?

Then in 1962, the south Korean regime initiated its so-called "Automobile Industry Promotion Policy", introducing protectionist measures to support nascent domestic manufacturing. Important lesson for Iranians who support economic ultra-liberalism, free trade and no-holds barred market doctrine: the same south Korea they cite as a success story by contrasting it with post-revolutionary Iran, made it illegal for foreign companies to operate in the Korean automobile sector, except in joint ventures with local business. It's measures like these which helped Korea turn into the automobile giant it is today.

Indeed, at least five major companies sprung up between 1962 and 1968 and began assembling automobiles in cooperation with Japanese and USA. Again, south Korea was ahead of Iran given that Iran Khodro's assembly line of Peykans from British-supplied CKD kits was launched in 1967, that is five years after the first such project became active in Korea.

In the 1970's, south Korea further leaped ahead of Iran by introducing its first locally developed, mass produced cars.

This is the famous Hyundai Pony, production start: 1975. Although there was some input by foreign companies, it's still a Korean effort.

Question: where were Iran's domestic developments in the automobile industry in 1975? Answer: non-existent and nowhere in sight. Even by the time of the Islamic Revolution i.e. in 1979, Iran's automotive sector was stuck with mere assembly lines.

The next milestone putting south Korea further ahead of Iran followed just a year later: in 1976, Hyundai began exporting the Pony to South American countries. As early as 1986, it entered the USA market under the name Excel. Thus began south Korea's conquest of western market shares.

So as we demonstrated, there's no question whatsoever that south Korea was ahead of Iran in the automobile industry since the 1950s, and expanding its edge all along the 1960's and 1970's. When the Iranian people rose up against the monarchy, Iran Khodro was putting together cars from imported parts manufactured in the west altogether, while south Korean chaebols were busy exporting domestic car models to USA client states of the south, and preparing export strategies to the west itself, which were delayed by the 1978-1979 oil crisis (ironically induced to a large extent by the Iranian Revolution) but implemented right after the 1986 oil counter-crisis.

Look at other industries (whether electronics, home appliances, nuclear industries, no matter what sector you choose) and you'll be confronted with a similar picture.

So, South Korea built its first car in 1955 and Iran in 1966. Where is South Korea today and where is Iran today? Do you think the difference between today's Iran car industry and South Korea's car industry is only 11 years now?

Iran was quite on par with South Korea in electronics and nuclear industry. Both countries relied on foreign technology and started almost at the same time. Why don't you compare the two in these areas? Look how our paths diverged after 4 decades.

 

[SalarHaqq]

So, South Korea built its first car in 1955 and Iran in 1966. Where is South Korea today and where is Iran today? Do you think the difference between today's Iran car industry and South Korea's car industry is only 11 years now?

Iran was quite on par with South Korea in electronics and nuclear industry. Both countries relied on foreign technology and started almost at the same time. Why don't you compare the two in these areas? Look how our paths diverged after 4 decades.

What I wrote was essentially aimed at debunking the widespread but inaccurate belief that Iran surpassed south Korea during the 1970's.

A key factor behind these diverging trajectories lies in the Iranian economy's dependence on oil. Successful development of a large-scale, diversified and technologically advanced industry is not possible through reliance on the hard currency windfall of crude energy sales. This is something the Islamic Republic has understood, hence its insistence on the development of non-oil exports (which today have surpassed oil exports, although some of it consists of natural gas, however exports of manufactured goods and services are still about on par if not superior to crude oil and gas sales).

The Islamic Republic is the result of a popular revolution. It takes years for a revolutionary government to stabilize and gain actual control. Then followed eight years of Imposed War during which no significant industrial development could be expected (nonetheless some of the necessary groundwork was laid right away). And then illegal US-imposed sanctions, which tend to hamper trade.

Yet Iran today is exporting automobiles, home appliance, steel, cement, petrochemicals, pharmaceutics, a variety of agricultural produce and more. Before the Revolution Iran wasn't exporting anything but oil, carpets, pistachios and caviar. Considering the policies of the shah regime as well as restrictions imposed by its western and zionist patrons, it's improbable that Iran would have achieved such an economic transition had the Revolution not occurred.

 

[drmeson]

Iranians are turks

Some of us are.