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Russia is unwilling to give Turkey software codes or technology transfers for the S-400. The deal to purchase a 2nd batch of S-400 is now up in the air. Russia is being cautious since Turkey recently sold it's Bayraktar drones to Ukraine.

So Turkey basically forfeited it's F-35 deposit by purchasing the S-400. Erdogan recently tried to use the deposit from the deal to purchase dozens of F-16s but the US seems unwilling to give up the deposit.

This is what happens when you try to have your cake and eat it too. This is just terrible diplomacy. This mess along with Erdogan's insistence on lowering the inflation rate has been a disaster for Turkey.

 
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Russia is unwilling to give Turkey software codes or technology transfers for the S-400. The deal to purchase a 2nd batch of S-400 is now up in the air. Russia is being cautious since Turkey recently sold it's Bayraktar drones to Ukraine.

So Turkey basically forfeited it's F-35 deposit by purchasing the S-400. Erdogan recently tried to use the deposit from the deal to purchase dozens of F-16s but the US seems unwilling to give up the deposit.

This is what happens when you try to have your cake and eat it too. This is just terrible diplomacy. This mess along with Erdogan's insistence on lowering the inflation rate has been a disaster for Turkey.

Just wanted to clarify some thing about ToT in general because it may have different meaning for some people...At least from my experience in the Western defence industries that no source code will be given to any ToT customer..All that relates to Software ToT is what is called "Interface Control Doucument" or ICD...ICDs allow customers to hook up their own equipment or systems to the systems they buy with a ToT..it includes the communication Protocols, timmings and "messages" That the "host" will accept from outside..or gives to the outside...Many of the large systems heavy on the software codes such as AD or radars have legacy codes that are even hard for the original equipment supplier to open up..remember if you change a single code in such a system you need to qualify the entire software through tests... a very expensive task.
 
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Well as part of the original deal, Russia and Turkey were supposed to co produce the 2nd batch of the S-400 and I believe that Turkey was supposed to receive the software codes. However there is likely a stipulation within the contract that if the buyer nation endangers the national security of the supplier nation in any way then the software codes will not be provided.

This is what has happened with Turkey, as Turkey is supplying Ukraine with Bayraktar drones and is on the side of Ukraine when it comes to the issues of Donbas and Crimea. If Russia were to supply Turkey with the software codes, then Turkey could hypothetically hand them over to Ukraine.

This becomes especially relevant in regards to the Bayraktar drones since Russia has recently deployed air defenses right by its border with Ukraine. If Ukraine were to gain access to the S-400 software codes then it could in theory assist them in using Bayraktar drones on Russian targets.

Of course, at the end of the day, the S-400 batteries sold to Turkey are export variants, however Russia has not deployed the S-500 yet and the S-400 will still remain their most potent air defense system for some time to come. Aside from the software codes and technology transfers, all the vital spare parts will be supplied by Russia and the vital maintenance must be done by Russian technicians.

In regards to the nuclear plants that Russia is set to build for Turkey, it's a similar deal. The plants will be run by Russian experts and all the fissile material will be removed by the Russians on a consistent basis.

Initially Turkey chose to purchase the S-400 because they could not agree on a favorable price for the Patriot SAM and the US was unwilling to share technology transfers under any circumstances. Yes the S-400 did end up being cheaper, but realistically the CAATSA sanctions imposed on Turkey by the west made the S-400 deal several times more costly than simply purchasing the Patriot batteries.

With the fact that Turkey lost out on the F-35 and the fact that the US is now refusing to give Turkey their deposit back, even unwilling to put the deposit towards a larger F-16 purchase, Erdogan pretty much shot himself in the foot. Of course the failed coup, which many believe was sponsored by the CIA/Mossad, did contribute towards Erdogans ultimate decision to purchase the S-400, however by doing so Erdogan pretty much burned both his bridges.

Turkey now finds itself in a similar situation regarding its tank program, which is effectively stuck in the mud. Now Turkey has had to put the Altay turret onto old Leopard 2 hulls because the Altay still lacks an engine. At the moment Turkey is looking to purchase motors from Ukraine however Ukraine is already behind on its outstanding commitments to deliver T-84 tanks to Thailand. Now with the threat of a war with Russia looming large, it seems very unlikely that Ukraine would be willing to go through with such a deal.

As far as fighter jets are concerned. Turkey has now teamed up with Pakistan and Azerbaijan to produce a 5th generation fighter jet, but it remains to be seen how that's even possible. Turkey and Pakistan are both economically in dire straits. Azerbaijan on the other hand cannot afford to fund such a program by itself.

Turkey recently tried to purchase dozens of F-16s from the US along with 80 modernization kits. Turkey obviously can't even modernize its F-16s or reverse engineer the F-16 and build a viable 4th generation fighter jet. Pakistan has the JF-17, which is a poor mans F-16, but that was built with help from China. Without help from China it's extremely unlikely that Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan can build a 5th generation fighter jet out of thin air.

Another theory floating around regarding the S-400 deal is that with the massive devaluation of Turkeys currency recently, that Turkey really cannot afford to give up precious foreign currency reserves at this point in time. Therefore to save face, perhaps Turkey is bringing up various issues simply to stall the deal and save face until the economy stabilizes.

At the end of the day, Erdogans impulsive decision making regarding the S-400/Patriot F-35/F-16/Altay are an excellent reference on how a middle power with regional / global ambitions should not conduct diplomacy. While trying to play both sides in an attempt to garner the maximum benefit, Erdogan has effectively shot himself in the foot, with nowhere to go as he has burnt all of his bridges to both east and west. However in the end, how this tragic comedy will play out, remains to be seen.

Just wanted to clarify some thing about ToT in general because it may have different meaning for some people...At least from my experience in the Western defence industries that no source code will be given to any ToT customer..All that relates to Software ToT is what is called "Interface Control Doucument" or ICD...ICDs allow customers to hook up their own equipment or systems to the systems they buy with a ToT..it includes the communication Protocols, timmings and "messages" That the "host" will accept from outside..or gives to the outside...Many of the large systems heavy on the software codes such as AD or radars have legacy codes that are even hard for the original equipment supplier to open up..remember if you change a single code in such a system you need to qualify the entire software through tests... a very expensive task.
 
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داری راجع به کدوم صحبت می‌کنی؟ فیوژن یا نه؟ کره شمالی از سال ۲۰۰۳ از ان پی تی خارج شد و ۲۰۰۶ اولین آزمایش شکافت هسته‌ای رو عمومی کرد. پس کره شمالی که قطعاً بدون آزمایش گرم شکافت هسته‌ای به فیوژن دست پیدا نکرده. چین و فرانسه و آمریکا و شوروی هم همینطور
اینی که یه کشوری بدون اینکه تکنولوژی سلاح شکافت رو بهش دست پیدا کرده باشه سراغ گداخت بره خیلی سخت قابل باور هست

تست اول کره شمالی کمتر از یک کیلوتن بوده. اکثراً تست رو شکست خورده می‌دونند

بیشتر کشورها بعد از ۳ تا ۵ سال از به دست پیدا کردن به شکافت معمولاً به گداخت هم دست پیدا می‌کنند. ولی مرحله اول رو باید انجام داده باشن که دیتاهاش رو داشته باشن. شکافت خودش یه کامپوننتی از سلاح‌های گرماهسته‌ای هست نمی‌شه حتی کامپوننت‌هات رو هم جدا جدا تست نکرده باشی و درست نشناسی و بعد انتظار داشته باشی همه چیز کار کنه

بعدش هم نیاز ایران سلاح بر پایه گداخت نیست. یه سلاحی که بوستر گداختی داشته باشه کافیه
همین که ایران یه سلاح ۱۰۰ کیلوتنی هم داشته باشه برای بازدارندگی کفایت می‌کنه

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عباس عدالت تنها گناهش این بود که می‌رفت فعالیت مدنی می‌کرد که ایران رو تحریم نکنند و علیه ایران جنگ راه نندازن
یه چنین فردی رو باید جمهوری اسلامی ازش تقدیر هم بکنه. نه اینکه بدون مدرک چند ماه بندازتش تو داستان​

قسمت سوم

تست فیشن به تنهایی بازدارنده تهدید نظامی نیست

زرادخانه متناسب بازدازنده هست ولی تست فیشن تنها بازدارنده نیست

امریکا چین و کره و حتی هند رو شدیدا تهدید نظامی کرده اون هم پس از تست فیشن


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Propganda.

You cannot intercept hit a HGV. Sure Hal Solemani type missiles which are hypersonic in nature you have a formidable chance but not HGV.

A true HGV does not have discernible path. Thus interceptor would bleed so much energy trying to reach the HGV and its countermeasures that it would fail.

Not to mention most HGVs would avoid major radar zones similar to how Iranian CMs avoided radar zones when they hit Saudi oil facility.

Right now HGVs have no defense. Of course world militaries won’t say that, but at this point in time if Russia fired 3 nuclear HGVs at the USA mainland, all 3 would make impact.
 
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Some quotes from the article

"Trump dismissed the suffering at Al Asad. “I heard they had headaches,” he told reporters. Two years later, many of those at Al Asad are still experiencing profound memory, vision, and hearing losses. One died by suicide in October. Eighty have been awarded Purple Hearts."

"Iran’s missile program “is much more advanced than Pakistan’s,” Uzi Rubin, the first head of Israel’s Missile Defense Organization, told me. Experts compare Iran with North Korea, which helped seed Tehran’s program in the nineteen-eighties. Some of Iran’s missiles are superior to Pyongyang’s, Jeffrey Lewis, of the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, told me. Experts believe that North Korea may now be importing Iranian missile technology."

"The Islamic Republic has thousands of ballistic missiles, according to U.S. intelligence assessments. They can reach as far as thirteen hundred miles in any direction—deep into India and China to the east; high into Russia to the north; to Greece and other parts of Europe to the west; and as far south as Ethiopia, in the Horn of Africa. About a hundred missiles could reach Israel."

That is why the Americans are now transferring runway damage repair technologies to Israel. The threat has become so real for them, that they already expect much of their runways being plummeted by drones and missiles in case of war.

 
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امریکا داره دوباره رکورد کرونا رو میشکونه
امریکایی ها واکسن نمیزنند

این مواقع دیگه خبری از آمار واکسیناسیون ایران و ابتلا در ایران در گزارشات غربی ها نیست​
 
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I have the Command: Modern Operations simulator if anyone is interested in testing something.
That is why the Americans are now transferring runway damage repair technologies to Israel. The threat has become so real for them, that they already expect much of their runways being plummeted by drones and missiles in case of war.

More than damaging runways, it goes to show you need to target the personnel as well. After all, you can't operate an airbase without people. Therefore all known shelters in an airbase must be targeted. Just being logical here.
 
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"Additionally, the IDF noted that Iran had expanded its air-defense array in recent years, which would complicate incoming airstrikes. They claimed that Tehran has also significantly increased its long-range missile arsenal – to the point where it can allegedly hit any point in Israel with ease."
 
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Anyway if the Russians end up selling Iran the SU35S jets i will personally lobby for unbanning @Falcon29 from the Iranian chill thread.

I always thought you were nicer and more forgiving on PDF than me, and this might prove it. I've set falcon 29 to ignore ever since he biasedly claimed Hamas made all their weapons in their last war with Israel even though we know Iran made that happen. I will never forgive him for that, but i am happy he exposed himself then, so i could put him IN HIS RIGHT BUCKET. done.
 
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