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From a historical perspective pre-2000 Iran and Arab relations was like heaven and hell compared to today.

Now with Baboon Arabia stowing sectarianism all across the Middle East, the Taliban will be another tool for MBS and his goonies to use to hurt Iran. After all, Taliban need money to govern and rule and Pakistan is dirt poor. Not a lot of Western countries out there looking to throw free aid to Sunni extremists (that don’t do their bidding).

Thus long run ramifications of Taliban rule can eventually run counter to Iranian interests. Quds force should continue to bolster Shiites and arm them to ward off any future threat. The good news is, Ghani was in charge of the Afghanistan and Pakistan file for most of his career as a Quds force commander so he has a lot of experience in this area.
iran is already kind of controlling parts of afghanistan so taliban isnt really a problem since the future of afghanistan is already not possible without iran having its securities guaranteed
taliban is winning because iran kind of wants this issue to end up fast without american say in the issue because aslong as america has a say iran will have little to say its that simple
 
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From a historical perspective pre-2000 Iran and Arab relations was like heaven and hell compared to today.

Now with Baboon Arabia stowing sectarianism all across the Middle East, the Taliban will be another tool for MBS and his goonies to use to hurt Iran. After all, Taliban need money to govern and rule and Pakistan is dirt poor. Not a lot of Western countries out there looking to throw free aid to Sunni extremists (that don’t do their bidding).

Thus long run ramifications of Taliban rule can eventually run counter to Iranian interests. Quds force should continue to bolster Shiites and arm them to ward off any future threat. The good news is, Ghani was in charge of the Afghanistan and Pakistan file for most of his career as a Quds force commander so he has a lot of experience in this area.

This sort of an outcome is theoretically possible but not certain. Iran is envisaging every eventuality. Saudi Arabia lacks sovereignty, it is essentially a US vassal regime. Whatever it does, it does on Washington's behalf. Question is if the US has earmarked the Saudis for this role.

For now, there are no signs of Saudi involvement, and even statements from Taleban leaders to the effect that their relations with Riyadh are more distant than they used to be in the past... This may change of course, but before going on the offensive - which will be warranted if an when the Taleban manifest hypothetical hostilities, Iran and the Quds Force should try their best to ensure that foreign-backed anti-Iran elements within the Taleban don't gain the upper hand. If this fails, then plan B will be put into action, no doubt.

Supporting Shia Afghan formations alone wouldn't suffice though. It would in any case be complemented by support for Sunni groups opposed to the Taleban, namely Persian-speaking Tajik ones.

But I was only referring to drug production and trade: if the Taleban engage in this activity, it would mean they operated a complete turnaround on the matter, because this has never formed part of their policies (especially since another victim of large scale drug production on its territory will be Afghanistan itself). Should they become hostile towards Iran, it is more likely that they will resort to other means.
 
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People are too worried over nothing. Why would Taliban provoke the most strongest independent Muslim country in the Middle East? Hostility with Iran means challenge to Taliban and their control. It means assassination campaigns, drone strikes, missile strikes, counter intelligence etc. all detrimental to Taliban's power base. An Iran-friendly Taliban will get all the help they can from Iran money, weapons, political support and so on.
 
From a historical perspective pre-2000 Iran and Arab relations was like heaven and hell compared to today.

Now with Baboon Arabia stowing sectarianism all across the Middle East, the Taliban will be another tool for MBS and his goonies to use to hurt Iran. After all, Taliban need money to govern and rule and Pakistan is dirt poor. Not a lot of Western countries out there looking to throw free aid to Sunni extremists (that don’t do their bidding).

Thus long run ramifications of Taliban rule can eventually run counter to Iranian interests. Quds force should continue to bolster Shiites and arm them to ward off any future threat. The good news is, Ghani was in charge of the Afghanistan and Pakistan file for most of his career as a Quds force commander so he has a lot of experience in this area.

That's manifestly incorrect. It's clear the IRI is moving to coopt the Taliban. You give 'MBS' & SA far more credit than history does.
 
The question remains, reform or collapse? Which one was a better Choice?
After ussr collapse, poverty hit all the ussr's newly born states. They had to sell their daughters in European markets just to stay alive. Most of them had to offer Americans with military bases in Exchange for money. Even Europeans confess that ussr collapse was a disaster for people of ussr but a God sent gift to west.

Let's go back to the original question, who advertised weaknesses of ussr and convinced people of ussr of the fact that negotiating with west would solve all the problems? Who has the strongest media in the world? Why were leaders of ussr convinced to negotiate with west?
but USSR was weak , the communism is against human nature and God teaching and that make it weak , you can keep it up by force for sometime but in the end it will kill innovation and the will to improve. that and corruption was what made those republic weak and poor otherwise many of them had resources but they could not utilize it.
why the western media is strong ? why its words are appealing to the masses have you asked why .
 
Neither did Soviet authorities.

People like Sachs, given the economic policies they advised the Yeltsin administration to implement, contributed to laying the groundwork for the catastrophic economic and social conditions prevailing in the Russian Federation during the early post-Soviet years, of which the increase in prostitution was merely one consequence among many.
the ground work for those disaster whs in place at the time of Khrushchev and Gurbachev a strong police state masked it . after the fall of USSR those coruption in official allowed mafia to get in power and the did the sex slavery
The wrong choices of Russian policy-makers during those years were directly inspired by neoliberal western advisers, not by communists. With sounder policies, much better results could have been obtained, no matter the state of infrastructures inherited from the USSR.

Also, in a country turned upside down that goes through a systemic transition at every level (political, administrative, ideological, social, cultural, economic), uncontrolled economic laissez-faire policies are a recipe for disaster as they create an ideal breeding ground for all sorts of corruption.
the corruption was there it was not started at the time of yeltsin, it had nothing to do with liberals , he European were also liberal , those policy was also implemented in countries like east Germany after unification and also check and Slovakia and some other but the sex slavery didn't happened there
The USSR collapsed neither as a result of a large scale popular uprising, nor did a real economic meltdown take place (this occurred once western-leaning capitalists had taken over). Its downfall came as a result of its leadership headed by Gorbachev having decided to sabotage the system from within via ill-advised types of reforms. I'm not saying the USSR wouldn't have benefited from reforms, but these ought to have taken a completely different if not opposite direction to what Gorbachev introduced.

More profoundly, the countdown to the Soviet Union's fall was initiated right after Joseph Stalin's demise, when he was succeeded by people who thought western imperialists can be appeased or reasoned with, that coexistence as rivals is possible with the totalitarian US regime, or that the Soviet Union might gain in taking a little page out of the western system's book here and there.
the demise was started after Lenin it accelerated by Stalin . ussr could not mass produce quality material , all the products wee lower tier . their people rather used east European product than using Russian ones. they opted for Iron curtains to hide it from the world (what you advertise for Iran) and it failed miserably . just compare any of Russian equipment with their western counterpart and you see the difference And if you don't call mass uprising in what happened in eastern Europe then I don't knew what you'll call mass uprising.
The IRGC receives almost twice as much as the Army from the defence budget, while other organizations like the Joint Staff, the Ministry's Research and Innovation Organization, the Basij etc receive their own shares, but when it comes to construction and development in the civilian realm then obviously other institutions overall have more means at their disposal than Sepah.
no one can compete with the fund that khatam Al-Anbia construction had access too maybe boniad and we saw when boniad facilated those funds in a right direction and financed Tehran University in producing Corona Virus Vaccine how faster they managed to build the vaccine than IRGC and let me tell you something don't ever think noora vaccine can reach to barkat vaccine.
you give fund to civilian and private sector and you see how fat your problem will be solved . keep it in the hand of government and armed force and you see how easily you fall back . the duty of government is giving direction to private sector , not competing with them
 
The IRGC have proven to be the best infrastructural project managers in Iran hands down. Whatever meaningful budget they obtain, they deliver. They actually are the ones who put funds to good use. Their potent missile force, Iran's main asset of deterrence against the global "superpower", was developed on a shoestring budget in international comparison. Same applies to the civilian projects undertaken by Sepah's Khātam ol-Anbiyā Garrison. Then we may look at the automobile industry, which is managed by liberals, how mediocre and ambivalent its development has been compared to the wealth it generated for itself.
if they put their money in right direction , our deterrence was not just our missiles , it was diverse , it was our economy , our political power , our ground force our navy , our air force , not only missile force and by the way our deterrence is more in line of our proxies than missile force its in line with that we knew when to take a step back and be flexible. our missiles just entered the equation in last 7-10 years before hat they were glorified scuds and guess what when our missiles were not worth mentioning Libya , Afghanistan and Iraq get pulverized
 
the ground work for those disaster whs in place at the time of Khrushchev and Gurbachev a strong police state masked it . after the fall of USSR those coruption in official allowed mafia to get in power and the did the sex slavery

A strong state prevented these abuses from materializing. A state deliberately weakened at the hands of liberals made them possible.

the corruption was there it was not started at the time of yeltsin, it had nothing to do with liberals

It was multiplied several fold by Yeltsin's liberal policies. Implementing liberal policies under those conditions is what proved really fatal for Russia.

he European were also liberal , those policy was also implemented in countries like east Germany after unification and also check and Slovakia and some other but the sex slavery didn't happened there

Everywhere in Europe there is sex slavery and mafias trading human beings. It happened and happens everywhere over here. It's part and parcel of western capitalism.

East Germany was immediately integrated into one of the world's foremost economic powerhouses, and yet even now after 30 years many of the east-west inequalities caused by savage liberal policies have still not been curbed.

As for tiny Slovenia, it's nothing but an appendix of the German and Italian economies ever since it was integrated into these countries' extended economic zones in 1991, quite unlike the Russian Federation. Which in turn means that Slovenia has no real economic sovereignty nor independence, and that crises generated in the west will affect it disproportionately and durably, like in 2009. And Slovenia represents a singular exception among former Yugoslav republics... As for the other ex-federate entities of Yugoslavia, let's not even go there (they were plunged into engineered wars by western imperialist powers).

the demise was started after Lenin it accelerated by Stalin . ussr could not mass produce quality material , all the products wee lower tier . their people rather used east European product than using Russian ones. they opted for Iron curtains to hide it from the world (what you advertise for Iran) and it failed miserably . just compare any of Russian equipment with their western counterpart and you see the difference

The supposed quality of products manufactured inside a country is the ultimate barometer of how viable that country's political system is? Many countries aren't capable of manufacturing products of similar quality as the main economic powers of the world, and yet their political systems aren't threatened by collapse.

Lenin with his capitalist NEP ("New Economic Policy") was not serious. However under Stalin, the political stability of the USSR was flawless. Until a domestic cabal, culminating with Gorbachev, progressively threw this stability under the bus by distancing itself more and more from the order put into place by Stalin.

And if you don't call mass uprising in what happened in eastern Europe then I don't knew what you'll call mass uprising.

Because I was discussing the reasons behind the collapse of the USSR, not Warsaw Pact countries. But what happened in those countries, was mostly a series of CIA-orchestrated "colored revolutions" (in fact, the very first applications of this subversive scheme), complete with false flag operations and propagandistic psy-ops efforts such as the totally fictive "massacre of Timisoara" which never took place, along with photographs from an ordinary morgue which were falsely portrayed as depicting victims of Securitate.

Not unlike the so-called "Green movement" in Iran, which failed miserably.

no one can compete with the fund that khatam Al-Anbia construction had access too maybe boniad and we saw when boniad facilated those funds in a right direction and financed Tehran University in producing Corona Virus Vaccine how faster they managed to build the vaccine than IRGC and let me tell you something don't ever think noora vaccine can reach to barkat vaccine.

I doubt that Khatam ol-Anbia's budget surpasses that of governmental ministries involved in construction work.

Bonyads share the same philosophy as the IRGC. They are revolutionary para-state foundations, not private sector actors. Which is why reformists and centrists dislike them as much as they dislike the IRGC.

you give fund to civilian and private sector and you see how fat your problem will be solved . keep it in the hand of government and armed force and you see how easily you fall back . the duty of government is giving direction to private sector , not competing with them

The private sector is for the most part a thieving entity whose existential goal is to enrich itself, not to serve the common interest. Which is why western capitalism as of today is based on fiat money, financial bubbles, printing press and systemic corruption. Which is why it is collapsing, and why its oligarchs must devise insane "great reset" policies to try and provide this decaying system with a new lease on life.

A government's duty is to serve the common good. Not to compete with anyone, but to actually take over essential tasks related to the fulfillment of the common good, something the private sector systematically fails at achieving due to its self-serving nature. There is no magical, self-regulating "invisible hand" as postulated by classical economists, nor any "trickle down" phenomenon. These are smoke and mirrors devised by capitalist hoaxters.

One just need to compare the performance of Iran's automobile industries, for example, with that of Khatam ol-Anbiya to see who is the true problem solver and who isn't.

our deterrence was not just our missiles , it was diverse , it was our economy , our political power , our ground force our navy , our air force , not only missile force.

I clearly stated "main asset of Iran's deterrence", which implies there have been others. However, the ballistic missiles were and are the centerpiece of Iran's defence architecture. It's them, not Iran's subs nor its anti-ship missiles (the rest of the Iranian navy has had no deterrence value against the US), nor Iran's air force, nor Iran's ground force that in case of a war would enable Iran to counteract the foundation of US military doctrine ie its air force, insofar as these missiles would be used to target the enemy's air bases, without which its air power would be neutered.

As for the economy, it's that same economy which is decried by liberals as "state controlled".

and by the way our deterrence is more in line of our proxies than missile force its in line with that we knew when to take a step back and be flexible.

Indeed, the same network of regional allies which liberals such as Rafsanjani or Khatami were ready to trade away in unequal deals with the US regime. It's Sepah and the Quds Force not anyone else which created, expanded and are now keeping alive this network of allies. Liberals on the other hand are seeking to dismantle it.

communism is against human nature and God teaching and that make it weak , you can keep it up by force for sometime but in the end it will kill innovation and the will to improve.

And so is liberalism. It is profoundly incompatible with Islamic teachings, with human nature as well as with natural law. Imam Khomeini (rA) in his famous letter to ayatollah Montazeri denounced liberalism and liberals in the most explicit terms possible. Liberalism is a perversion and one of the most dangerous ideological phenomena in the history of mankind.

why the western media is strong ? why its words are appealing to the masses have you asked why .

For the same reason National-Socialist media were appealing to German audiences in the 1930's. For the same reason Bolshevik media were attracting Russian masses in the early 20th century.

A system based on usury and exploitation of humans, which is haram, will not subsist. Liberalism is going to disappear like all these other deviations.
 
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It was multiplied several fold by Yeltsin's liberal policies. Implementing liberal policies under those conditions is what proved really fatal for Russia.
didn't multiplied the curtain fall and everybody saw it
Everywhere in Europe there is sex slavery and mafias trading human beings. It happened and happens everywhere over here.

East Germany was immediately integrated into one of the world's foremost economic powerhouses, and yet even now after 30 years many of the east-west inequalities caused by savage liberal policies have still not been curbed.

As for Slovenia, it's nothing but an appendix of the German and Italian economies, which again was integrated into these countries' economic zones after 1991, unlike the Russian Federation. Which in turn means that it has no real economic sovereignty, and that crises occurring in the west such as in 2009 will affect it disproportionately. And it's a singular exception among former Yugoslav republics. As for all other ex-federate entities of Yugoslavia, let's not even go there.
said check and Slovakia and check republic otherwise you can find slavery every where in Yugoslavia
and you said , east Germany integrated in an economy that the corruption was controlled because it was transparent so they spared
So the supposed quality of products is the ultimate barometer of a political system's survivability? Many countries are not capable of producing products of similar quality as the main economic powers of the world, and yet their political systems are nowhere threatened by collapse.

The political stability of the USSR was of flawless quality under Stalin. I don't count Lenin with his capitalist NEP ("New Economic Policy") into this. Until a domestic cabal, culminating with Gorbachev, progressively threw this stability under the bus by distancing itself more and more from the order put into place by Stalin.
yeah the political stability on the shoulder of the victims of Bria police state who were lost in far Siberia. if you wish that thanks god in Iran no one wants it. Stalin killed more than Iran population of those times from Russian people and sent even more to the hell called Siberia.
and we are talking about the country infrastructures as one base for stability.
We were discussing the reasons underlying the collapse of the USSR, not Warsaw Pact countries. But what happened in those countries, was mostly a series of CIA-orchestrated "colored revolutions" (in fact, the very first applications of this subversive scheme), complete with false flag operations and propagandistic psy-ops efforts such as "massacre of Timisoara" which never took place and its fake morgue photographs.

Not unlike the so-called "Green movement" in Iran (which you appeared to be seeking to legitimize), which failed miserably.
collapse of Warsaw pact was the final nail in the coffin of USSR after the end of communism in east Europe ex USSR republic could not stand that inhuman system anymore.
Not unlike the so-called "Green movement" in Iran (which you appeared to be seeking to legitimize), which failed miserably.
as far as I knew I didn't endorse any side on that movement as i can prove you both side told lies in that incident.
Provide evidence that Khatam ol-Anbia's budget surpasses that of governmental ministries involved in construction work.
show me their budget and thefund they have access to and I give you the proof. my problem with them is not their existence its their lack of transparency
The private sector is a thieving entity whose existential goal is to enrich itself, not to serve the common interest. Which is why western capitalism is based on fiat money, financial bubbles, printing press and systemic corruption. Which is why it is collapsing, and why its oligarchs must devise "great reset" policies to try and provide it with a new lease on life.
west didn't make any advance untill they let private sector do their work as is the
The government's duty is to serve the common good. Not to compete with anyone, but to actually take over essential tasks related to the fulfillment of the common good
sadly the government is only good at taking the money and wasting it ,they don't care about it while private sector think about how they can get the most of the funds

case of china, if they didn't let private sector do its business they would have been second USSR.

We only need to compare the performance of Iran's automobile industries, for example, with that of Khatam ol-Anbiya to see who is the problem solver and who isn't.
well our car industry is governmental managed , what you expect of it as I said government only must point the private sector to the direction it put for country it must not compete with them . the sad situation of our car industry is exact proof of what I say.
 
well our car industry is governmental managed , what you expect of it as I said government only must point the private sector to the direction it put for country it must not compete with them . the sad situation of our car industry is exact proof of what I say
Their are a number of mafia's in Iran that insist on keeping the status quo. As you mentioned, the car industry is one of them. Because it is government managed, we can all see why it does not grow and improve. It's literally because they have no reason to, no reason to improve quality, not reason to do anything but stay stagnant.

Governments job is not to govern everything, but to serve the people by facilitating, providing and allowing it's people opportunity to grow and grow more.
 
didn't multiplied the curtain fall and everybody saw it

The issues under discussion materialized after the collapse of the USSR not before.

said check and Slovakia and check republic otherwise you can find slavery every where in Yugoslavia

My bad. But when it comes to the Czech Republic, not only has it become the new seat of the European pornographic mafia, but practically every road in the Czech Republic and Slovakia leading to Germany and Austria is teeming with (crystal methamphetamine junkie) prostitutes.

and you said , east Germany integrated in an economy that the corruption was controlled because it was transparent so they spared

Corruption is massive even in Germany. As with any other western so-called democracy, corruption is at the core of the system. But Germany represents an inverted totalitarian state where oligarchs get to impose their rule on masses, whereas state authority in post-Soviet Russia was as good as entirely dismantled. Most probably this was provoked on purpose by western advisors read operatives in order to enable mass looting of Russia's national resources.

And in east Germany, and entire generation was misled by false promises and the noxious effects of savage financial capitalism introduced after reunification. To this day the wounds haven't completely healed, considering east-west gaps between German federal states.

yeah the political stability on the shoulder of the victims of Bria police state who were lost in far Siberia.

And the west's political stability and economic affluence were obtained on the backs of tens of millions of people mass slaughtered in (neo-)colonial wars of aggression across the entire planet, as well as in foundational acts of genocide. In addition to the ongoing material enslavement and mental zombification (mind control) of their own populace.

collapse of Warsaw pact was the final nail in the coffin of USSR after the end of communism in east Europe ex USSR republic could not stand that inhuman system anymore..

Like the most prominent Soviet dissident Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn rightly stressed, all eastern Europeans did at the end of the day was to trade one inhumane system for another, namely the scourge of western liberalism, whose yoke these nations are still to shake off.

What enabled the CIA to stage "colored revolutions" in Warsaw Pact countries was the fact that Gorbachev and his cabal let go of the USSR's allies, naively believing the west will refrain from integrating them into NATO and using them against the USSR / Russia.

show me their budget and thefund they have access to and I give you the proof. my problem with them is not their existence its their lack of transparency

How can one first claim their budget is higher and then plead uncertainty for lack of evidence?

west didn't make any advance untill they let private sector do their work as is the

When examined on a deeper level than the sole criterion of material accumulation (itself distributed in an increasingly non-egalitarian manner), the west made no progress worthy of that name. Their "progress" is in fact hogwash, it's a nihilistic path which will ultimately lead to the adoption of anti-specist programs aiming for the obliteration of mankind.

Iran really needs to devise its own path, rooted in its own civilizational and spiritual values. And unlike the west, Iran must not ditch its authentic traditions for some modernist delusions.

sadly the government is only good at taking the money and wasting it ,they don't care about it while private sector think about how they can get the most of the funds

The private sector is essentially concerned about how the upper 1% of capitalists can best line their pockets. The rest they don't really care about. Only a legitimate public authority can pursue the common good, above and beyond corrupt private interests and pressure groups.

case of china, if they didn't let private sector do its business they would have been second USSR.

It's not possible to tell exactly what would have happened if China did not adopt a market economy. Still, public conglomerates play a big role even now in China. And this is not a liberal system on the political level, so I guess authoritarian rule proved beneficial for China's economic development. On the economic level, it's an ambivalent experience like every capitalist endeavour. Wealth was accumulated, no doubt, but under what conditions for the Chinese labor force one wonders.

well our car industry is governmental managed , what you expect of it as I said government only must point the private sector to the direction it put for country it must not compete with them . the sad situation of our car industry is exact proof of what I say.

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As far as I know private investors own and manage IKCO. Shareholders who took decisions amounting to large scale rip-off of consumers, were private investors rather than government authorities.

The "Okhtapus" documentary, a really high quality work, provides detailed information on this:


Whereas Khatam ol-Anbiya isn't a private company, and it has been a success story.
 
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Map of current situation in Afghanistan. Green shows Taliban control. White is government control.

Taliban are now a 10 KM or so outside Kabul. This is do or die for the Kabul government. I heard Ashraf Ghani wants to give a speech on Friday or Saturday or address the nation. At this rate Kabul may be in Taliban hands before he can give any speech.

Corruption, disorganization, lack of leadership, lack of morale and many more issues have led to this. The Americans are partly to blame. They trained the Afghan security forces in their style rather than focusing on counter insurgency. They trained them to be reliant on air support, but now they don't have a sufficient airforce.

I guess the puppet cannot stand without its puppet master. Without the strings, the puppet cannot stand

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The Taliban have recovered enough rifles to modernize the entire brigade level of ground forces rifles in Iran Imao. Kind of a shame on our part for not improving the quality of our ground unit equipment, particularly the army. But regardless as we can see, it's the training that matters the most,

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