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why dont you send us again back to mongolia ? You persians are nothing that we ruled your junk country more than 1000 years. Yes you were as slave 1000 years under turks. we saved your language and womens from arabs :D
Your @sses are turkized since 600 years ago and you aren't turk.

Haplogroup distributions in Turkish people

Y chromosome Haplogroup distribution of Turkish people.[5]
According to Cinnioglu et al., (2004)[5] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with their "West Asian" and "Caucasian' neighbours. By contrast, "Central Asian" haplogroups are rarer, N and Q)- 5.7% (but it rises to 36% if K, R1a, R1b and L- which infrequently occur in Central Asia, but are notable in many other Western Turkic groups), India H, R2 - 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a - 1%.

Some of the percentages identified were:[5]
  • J2=24% - J2 (M172)[5] Typical of Mediterranean, Caucasian, Western and Central Asian populations.[17]
  • R1b=14.7%[5] Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages. The predominant haplogroup among Armenians.
  • G=10.9%[5] - Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
  • E3b-M35=10.7%[5] (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[18] Haplogroup E-M123is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
  • J1=9%[5] - Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya to 12% in Kurds).
  • R1a=6.9%[5] - Common in various Central Asian, Indian, and Eastern European populations.
  • I=5.3%[5] - Common in Balkans and eastern Europe, possibly representing a back-migration to Anatolia.
  • K=4.5%[5] - Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
  • L=4.2%[5] - Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasanpopulations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
  • N=3.8%[5] - Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
  • T=2.5%[5] - Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
  • Q=1.9%[5] - Typical of Northern Altaic populations (also common in Scandinavia and the Alps.)
  • C=1.3%[5] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
  • R2=0.96% [5] - Typical of South Asian population
Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a , O , R1*.

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Btw where is that 1000 years?

Tahirids = Persian
Safarid = Persian
Samanid = Persian
Buyids = Persian
Seljuk = Iranian turk (soldiers of Samanids)
Ghurid = Persian
Ilkahinte/Timurid = Mongol
Zand = Persian
Safavid = Azari
Afsharid = Azari
Qajar = Azari
Pahlavi = Persian
 
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Civil war in Turkey has unleashed a while ago .. more than 110 Kurd citizens were killed through making 17 Turkestan cities as battle fields... Do you guys know what will happen when more than 25 to 30 millions citizens out of 78 millions becomes terrorists into the eyes of a dictator regime? Kurds are seen terrorists in Erdugan eyes and this alone will wrap his and his regime up once and for all... :agree:

وقتی اردوغان انتقام همه شکست‌ها را از کردها می‌گیرد + فیلم
 
you are the moron , investment in BM does not mean developing from scratch
you can buy BM and cruise missiles from Russia,China, Pakistan and others to name the few.

or just like what Iran did, get tech transfer from North Korea.


it seems you are too retarded to understand, Iran might be able to detect the aircraft and the launch but as soon as Cruise Missile goes into low terrain hugging mode , your radars will lose detection due to earth's curvature

and the cruise missile will only reappear within last seconds giving Iranian side little time to response
your simple minded understanding of Iranian Air Defense concludes that Iranian air space is completely covered by systems such as S-300 and others. while in reality only small part of Iranian Air Space has any actual cover.

if S-300 is too much for the "joke" then what does Iran have to deal with a cruise missile
you think you can withstand a barrage of cruise missiles from the US or even be able to take 10% of those cruise missiles, piss off.

and no the engine is not imported moron , here is Kale engine for SOM

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here is Iran's oil and gas infrastructure , all the infrastructure on the coast is an easy target with Arab countries more than happily providing their airspace for such strikes.

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why don't you find out the definition of "access" and come back

It seems you do not even know what an OTH radar is :rofl:
OTH radars can detect over the horizon, hence their name ' over the horizon radar'. Meaning regardless of where the cruise missiles is, these radars will detect them (regardless of earth's curvature). Before embarrassing yourself go educate yourself a little.

Iran has OTH radars which are detecting and keeping an eye on every movement in turkey, a single launch will be detected, Iran also now has mobile OTH radars designed specifically for cruise missile detection. Futhermore, a slow moving missile like som is an easy prey for AAA systems etc, no need for s-300 like system. The som is not using that mockup engine, it is still using the imported TRI-40 as of now.

As stated earlier, turks will have these missile only few in numbers and defending against them is very easy for Iran. And as for your earlier claim, I said turkey does not have any accurate ballistic missiles, only ballistic missile turks have is some repainted, short ranged chinese missile with high cep. Turkey is too backward in missile tech to be able to develop such accurate ballistic missile as the few nations which posses them (China, Iran, Russia) would never share them with the likes of turkey. At best turks would be given some short ranged high cep missiles. Turkey is too backward in this sector to be able to develop highly accurate BM's even after being initially given some missile designs from China like the B-611.

Your fantasy is just that, a fantasy. Turkey has no hope of being able to penetrate Iranian airdefences via its extremely weak offensive missile capability. Iran on the other hand, would smash turkey in few minutes using even 1% of its missile forces (which is an very diverse force).
 
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Btw where is that 1000 years?

Tahirids = Persian
Safarid = Persian
Samanid = Persian
Buyids = Persian
Seljuk = Iranian turk (soldiers of Samanids)
Ghurid = Persian
Ilkahinte/Timurid = Mongol
Zand = Persian
Safavid = Azari
Afsharid = Azari
Qajar = Azari
Pahlavi = Persian

You have an inferiority complex.

Tahirids = Arabs. They were vassals of the Abbasid Caliphate.
Safarids = Persians
Samanids = Persian
Buyids = Persian
Ghaznavids = Turkic
Seljuks = Turco-Persian
Khwarazmians = Turkic
Ilkhanates = Mongols
Timurids = Turkic
Safavids = Turkic
Afsharids = Turkic
Zands = Persian
Durranis = Pashtuns
Qajars = Turkic
Pahlavi = Turkic
 
It seems you do not even know what an OTH radar is :rofl:
OTH radars can detect over the horizon, hence their name ' over the horizon radar'. Meaning regardless of where the cruise missiles is, these radars will detect them (regardless of earth's curvature). Before embarrassing yourself like a retard, go educate yourself a little.

Iran has OTH radars which are detecting and keeping an eye on every movement in turkey, a single launch will be detected, Iran also now has mobile OTH radars designed specifically for cruise missile detection. Futhermore, a slow moving missile like som is an easy prey for AAA systems etc, no need for s-300 like system. The som is not using that mockup engine, it is still using the imported TRI-40.

As stated earlier, turks will have these missile only few in numbers and defending against them is very easy for Iran. And as for your earlier claim, I said turkey does not have any accurate ballistic missiles, only ballistic missile turks have is some repainted, short ranged chinese missile with high cep. Turkey is too backward in missile tech to be able to develop such accurate ballistic missile as the few nations which posses them (China, Iran, Russia) would never share them with the likes of turkey. At best turks would be given some short ranged high cep missiles. Turkey is too backward in this sector to be able to develop highly accurate BM's even after being initially given some missile designs from China like the B-611.

Your retarded fantasy is just that, a fantasy. Turkey has no hope of being able to penetrate Iranian airdefences via its extremely weak offensive missile capability. Iran on the other hand, would smash turkey in few minutes using even 1% of its missile forces (which is an very diverse force).


Lol relax kiddo , I missed the OTH mark and was considering standard radar of S-300 or others.
last time I checked OTH radar is located right in the center of Iran , giving Iran just the detection within its own borders

and the 3000km range OTH radar which was reported at 40% completion at Feb 2015 , most likely hasn't been completed yet.

Lol you plan on using AAA against a cruise missile? Unless you are talking about NBS Mantis type of AA then even if you managed to knock down some cruise missiles with a freaking AA , the hit to kill ration would be really low.

Nope, SOM WAS using the TRI-40 and Kale has developed a working engine for SOM back in 2014
just to add on a 800km version of SOM was tested back in 2013 and 1500km version of SOM in 2014
source : SOM 800KM Successfully Tested, Next Target 1500KM Mid 2014

save me your Iran stroknkk1kk!!! bs , Iran got its BM tech from North f*cking Korea, piss off with your stupidity and pride.
Turkey is developing and has already tested BM with a range of more than 1000km , @cabatli_53 can tell you more.

yes Iran will smash Turkey into pieces in matter of seconds, even though Turkey has a much more powerful military and Iran having a much more fragile economy.

Like I said your Coast Based infrastructure which accounts for a massive part of your economy will be very easy targets for TurAF, eventhough like you said the Yildirim 1 has a CEP problem its more than enough to deal with large sized infrastructure.
 
Your @sses are turkized since 600 years ago and you aren't turk.

Haplogroup distributions in Turkish people

Y chromosome Haplogroup distribution of Turkish people.[5]
According to Cinnioglu et al., (2004)[5] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with their "West Asian" and "Caucasian' neighbours. By contrast, "Central Asian" haplogroups are rarer, N and Q)- 5.7% (but it rises to 36% if K, R1a, R1b and L- which infrequently occur in Central Asia, but are notable in many other Western Turkic groups), India H, R2 - 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a - 1%.

Some of the percentages identified were:[5]
  • J2=24% - J2 (M172)[5] Typical of Mediterranean, Caucasian, Western and Central Asian populations.[17]
  • R1b=14.7%[5] Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages. The predominant haplogroup among Armenians.
  • G=10.9%[5] - Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
  • E3b-M35=10.7%[5] (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[18] Haplogroup E-M123is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
  • J1=9%[5] - Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya to 12% in Kurds).
  • R1a=6.9%[5] - Common in various Central Asian, Indian, and Eastern European populations.
  • I=5.3%[5] - Common in Balkans and eastern Europe, possibly representing a back-migration to Anatolia.
  • K=4.5%[5] - Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
  • L=4.2%[5] - Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasanpopulations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
  • N=3.8%[5] - Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
  • T=2.5%[5] - Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
  • Q=1.9%[5] - Typical of Northern Altaic populations (also common in Scandinavia and the Alps.)
  • C=1.3%[5] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
  • R2=0.96% [5] - Typical of South Asian population
Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a , O , R1*.

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This is actually very complex issue since populations also change languages and genes flow without large scale migration, never to mention influences of culture. So when you look at the modern view physical archaeology, historical records, linguistics and DNA mapping provide us with picture that has some common features but a lot of contradictions.

To put it blundly there is no evidence that the genetic code of the ancient Turkic tribe was any different. Thus you cant genetically be "Turkic" person just like how you genetically cant be "Iranic". Its much closer to bloodline and cultural-linguistic ethnic group that have common ancestry. Prime example being the Tajiks. They are genetically closer and similair the Uzbek and Kyrgyz people. Anatolian Turks are closer to Kurds and Persians and Azeri Turks are genetically closer to other caucasian people such as Armenians and Georgians. You think this is coincedence? They are all genetically closer to people around them thus proving the overal migration and genetic flow. You like to talk about genetics but most Azeri's can thrace their ancestry back to ancient local and migrated Turkic tribes(Afshars, Javanshirs, Qajars, Safavids, Qizilbash and etc) which is more then enough for them. No need to talk about genetics, culture, languages and tradtions blabla(and i say this because i feel bad for you). Azeri's are Turkic, get over it. Yeah Turkic people ruled Iran for centries with different empires each. Accept it and move along with your life. You are a miserable sight.

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You should do something about that inferiority complex, its geniunly disturbing and it blinds you with delusional fantasies. Let this be a lesson for any retard that ever dares to call Azeri's Iranic again. I am sick of hearing your pathethic baseless BS and so are the fellow Azeri members.
 
This is actually very complex issue since populations also change languages and genes flow without large scale migration, never to mention influences of culture. So when you look at the modern view physical archaeology, historical records, linguistics and DNA mapping provide us with picture that has some common features but a lot of contradictions.

To put it blundly there is no evidence that the genetic code of the ancient Turkic tribe was any different. Thus you cant genetically be "Turkic" person just like how you genetically cant be "Iranic". Its much closer to bloodline and cultural-linguistic ethnic group that have common ancestry. Prime example being the Tajiks. They are genetically closer and similair the Uzbek and Kyrgyz people. Anatolian Turks are closer to Kurds and Persians and Azeri Turks are genetically closer to other caucasian people such as Armenians and Georgians. You think this is coincedence? They are all genetically closer to people around them thus proving the overal migration and genetic flow. You like to talk about genetics but most Azeri's can thrace their ancestry back to ancient local and migrated Turkic tribes(Afshars, Javanshirs, Qajars, Safavids, Qizilbash and etc) which is more then enough for them. No need to talk about genetics, culture, languages and tradtions blabla(and i say this because i feel bad for you). Azeri's are Turkic, get over it. Yeah Turkic people ruled Iran for centries with different empires each. Accept it and move along with your life. You are a miserable sight.

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You should do something about that inferiority complex, its geniunly disturbing and it blinds you with delusional fantasies. Let this be a lesson for any retard that ever dares to call Azeri's Iranic again. I am sick of hearing your pathethic baseless BS and so are the fellow Azeri members.
People of Azerbaijan were Persian speakers and they have nothing to do with turks or mongols nor anatolis.

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99% of the Iranian Azeris that I've seen on Internet forums don't give a fuk about turks. Only 1-2% separatist.

Linguistic affiliation[edit]
[original research?]

Azari is believed[by whom?] to be a part of the dialect continuum of Northwest Iranian languages. As such, its ancestor would be close to the earliest attested Northwest Iranian languages, Median. As the Northwestern and Southwestern Iranian languages had not yet developed very far apart by the first millennium AD, Azari would also still have been very similar to classical Middle Persian.[citation needed]

Azari was spoken in most of Azarbaijan at least up to the 17th century, with the number of speakers decreasing since the 11th century due to the Turkification of the area. According to some accounts, it may have survived for several centuries after that up to the 16th or 17th century. Today, Iranian dialects are still spoken in several linguistic enclaves within Azarbaijan. While some scholars believe that these dialects form a direct continuation of the ancient Azari languages,[5] others have argued that they are likely to be a later import through migration from other parts of Iran, and that the original Azari dialects became extinct.[8]

The name "Azari" is derived from the old Iranian name for the region of Azarbaijan.[citation needed] The same name for the region, in a Turkified form, was later adopted also to designate the modern Turkic language "Azeri".

According to Vladimir Minorsky, around the 9th or 10th century:[9]

“ "The original sedentary population of Azarbayjan consisted of a mass of peasants and at the time of the Arab conquest was compromised under the semi-contemptuous term of Uluj("non-Arab")-somewhat similar to the raya(*ri’aya) of the Ottoman empire. The only arms of this peaceful rustic population were slings, see Tabari, II, 1379-89. They spoke a number of dialects (Adhari, Talishi) of which even now there remains some islets surviving amidst the Turkish speaking population. It was this basic population on which Babak leaned in his revolt against the caliphate. ”
Clifford Edmund Bosworth says:[10]

“ " We need not take seriously Moqaddasī’s assertion that Azerbaijan had seventy languages, a state of affairs more correctly applicable to the Caucasus region to the north; but the basically Iranian population spoke an aberrant, dialectical form of Persian (called by Masʿūdī al-āḏarīya) as well as standard Persian, and the geographers state that the former was difficult to understand. ”
Igrar Aliyev states that:[11]


1. In the writing of medieval Arab historians (Ibn Hawqal, Muqqaddesi..), the people of Azarbaijan spoke Azari. 2. This Azari was without doubt an Iranian language because it is also contrasted with Dari but it is also mentioned as Persian. It was not the same as the languages of the Caucasus mentioned by Arab historians. 3. Azari is not exactly Dari (name used for the Khorasanian Persian which is the Modern Persian language). From the research conducted by researchers upon this language, it appears that this language is part of the NW Iranian languages and was close to Talyshi language. Talyshi language has kept some of the characteristics of the Median language.


Aliyev also mentions that the medieval Muslim historians like Baladhuri, Masudi, Ibn Hawqal and Yaqut have mentioned this language by name.[11] Medieval historians and scholars also record that the language of the region of Azarbaijan, as well as its people there, as Iranians who spoke Iranian languages. Among these writers are Istakhri,Masudi, Ibn al-Nadim, Hamza Isfahani, Ibn Hawqal,Baladhuri, Muqaddasi, Yaghubi, Hamdollah Mostowfi, andKhwarazmi.[5]

According to Gilbert Lazard:[12]

“ Azarbaijan was the domain of Adhari, an important Iranian dialect which Masudi mentions together with Dari and Pahlavi. ”
According to Professor. Richard Frye: Azari was a majorIranian language and the original language of Azerbaijanregion and Azari gradually lost its stature as the prevalent language by the end of the 14th century.[13]

Historical attestations[edit]
Ebn al-Moqaffa’ (died 142/759) is quoted by ibn Al-Nadim in his famous Al-Fihrist as stating that Azerbaijan, Nahavand, Rayy, Hamadan and Esfahan speak Fahlavi (Pahlavi) and collectively constitute the region of Fahlah.[14]

A very similar statement is given by the medieval historian Hamzeh Isfahani when talking about Sassanid Iran. Hamzeh Isfahani writes in the book Al-Tanbih ‘ala Hoduth alTashif that five "tongues" or dialects, were common in Sassanian Iran: Fahlavi, Dari, Persian, Khuzi and Soryani. Hamzeh (893-961 CE) explains these dialects in the following way:[15]

“ Fahlavi was a dialect which kings spoke in their assemblies and it is related to Fahleh. This name is used to designate five cities of Iran, Esfahan, Rey, Hamadan, Man Nahavand, and Azerbaijan. Persian is a dialect which was spoken by the clergy (Zoroastrian) and those who associated with them and is the language of the cities of Fars. Dari is the dialect of the cities of Ctesiphon and was spoken in the kings' /dabariyan/ 'courts'. The root of its name is related to its use; /darbar/ 'court* is implied in /dar/. The vocabulary of the natives of Balkh was dominant in this language, which includes the dialects of the eastern peoples. Khuzi is associated with the cities of Khuzistan where kings and dignitaries used it in private conversation and during leisure time, in the bath houses for instance. ”
Ibn Hawqal states:[5]

“ the language of the people of Azerbaijan and most of the people of Armenia (sic; he probably means the Iranian Armenia) is Iranian (al-farssya), which binds them together, while Arabic is also used among them; among those who speak al-faressya (here he seemingly means Persian, spoken by the elite of the urban population), there are few who do not understand Arabic; and some merchants and landowners are even adept in it". ”
It should be noted that Ibn Hawqal mentions that some areas of Armenia are controlled by Muslims and others by Christians.[16]

Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn Al-Masudi (896-956), theArab historian states:

“ The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azarbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azari, as well as other Persian languages.[17]
Al-Moqaddasi (died late 10th century) considers Azerbaijan as part of the 8th division of lands. He states:"The languages of the 8th division is Iranian (al-‘ajamyya). It is partly partly Dari and partly convoluted (monqaleq) and all of them are named Persian".[18]

Al-Moqaddasi also writes on the general region of Armenia, Arran and Azerbaijan and states:[19]

“ They have big beards, their speech is not attractive. In Arminya they speak Armenian, in al-Ran, Ranian (Aranian). Their Persian is understandable, and is close to Khurasanian (Dari Persian) in sound ”
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Ahmad ibn Yaqubi mentions that the People of Azerbaijan are a mixture of Azari 'Ajams ('Ajam is a term that developed to mean Iranian) and old Javedanis (followers of Javidan the son of Shahrak who was the leader of Khurramites and successed by Babak Khorramdin).[20]

Zakarrya b. Mohammad Qazvini's report in Athar al-Bilad, composed in 1275, that "no town has escaped being taken over by the Turks except Tabriz" (Beirut ed., 1960, p. 339) one may infer that at least Tabriz had remained aloof from the influence of Turkish until the time.[5]

From the time of the Mongol invasion, most of whose armies were composed of Turkic tribes, the influence of Turkish increased in the region. On the other hand, the old Iranian dialects remained prevalent in major cities. Hamdallah Mostawafi writing in the 1340s calls the language of Maraqa as "modified Pahlavi"(Pahlavi-ye Mughayyar). Mostowafi calls the language of Zanjan (Pahlavi-ye Raast). The language of Gushtaspi covering the Caspian border region between Gilan to Shirvan is called a Pahlavi language close to the language of Gilan.[21]

Following the Islamic Conquest of Iran, Middle Persian, also known as Pahlavi, continued to be used until the 10th century when it was gradually replaced by a new breed of Persian language, most notably Dari. The Saffarid dynastyin particular was the first in a line of many dynasties to officially adopt the new language in 875 CE. Thus Dari, which contains many loanwords from its predecessors, is considered the continuation of Middle Persian which was prevalent in the early Islamic era of western Iran. The nameDari comes from the word (دربار) which refers to the royal court, where many of the poets, protagonists, and patrons of the literature flourished. (See Persian literature)

The Iranian dialect of Tabriz[edit]
According to Jean During, the inhabitants of Tabriz did not speak Turkish in the 15th century.[22]

The language of Tabriz, being an Iranian language, was not the standard Khurasani dari. Qatran Tabrizi (11th century) has an interesting couplet mentioning this fact:[23]


بلبل به سان مطرب بیدل فراز گل

گه پارسی نوازد، گاهی زند دری

Translation: The nightingale is on top of the flower like a minstrel who has lost her/his heart It bemoans sometimes in Parsi (Persian) and sometimes in Dari (Khurasani Persian)


There are extant words, phrases, sentences and poems attested in the old Iranian dialect of Tabriz in a variety of books and manuscripts.[24]

Hamdullah Mustuwafi (14th century) mentions a sentence in the language of Tabriz:[25]


تبارزه اگر صاحب حُسنی را با لباس ناسزا یابند، گویند "انگور خلوقی بی چه در، درّ سوه اندرین"؛ یعنی انگور خلوقی( انگوری مرغوب) است در سبد دریده

"The Tabrizians have a phrase when they see a fortunate and wealthy man in a uncouth clothes:" He is like fresh grapes in a ripped fruit basket. "


A Macaronic (mula'ma which is popular in Persian poetry where some verses are in one language and another in another language) poem from Homam Tabrizi, where some verses are in Khorasani (Dari) Persian and others are in the dialect of Tabriz .[26]


بدیذم چشم مستت رفتم اژ دست // كوام و آذر دلی كویا بتی مست // دل‌ام خود رفت و می‌دانم كه روژی // به مهرت هم بشی خوش كیانم اژ دست // به آب زندگی ای خوش عبارت // لوانت لاود جمن دیل و كیان بست // دمی بر عاشق خود مهربان شو // كزی سر مهرورزی كست و نی كست // به عشق‌ات گر همام از جان برآیذ // مواژش كان بوان بمرت وارست // كرم خا و ابری بشم بوینی // به بویت خته بام ژاهنام


Another Ghazal from Homam Tabrizi where all the couplets except the last couplet is in Persian. The last couplet reads:[27]


«وهار و ول و دیم یار خوش بی // اوی یاران مه ول بی مه وهاران» Transliteration: Wahar o wol o Dim yaar khwash Bi Awi Yaaraan, mah wul Bi, Mah Wahaaraan

Translation: The Spring and Flowers and the face of the friend are all pleasant But without the friend, there are no flowers or a spring.


Another recent discovery by the name of Safina-yi Tabriz has given sentences from native of Tabriz in their peculiar Iranian dialect. The work was compiled during the Ilkhanidera. A sample expression of from the mystic Baba Faraj Tabrizi in the Safina:[28]


انانک قده‌ی فرجشون فعالم آندره اووارادا چاشمش نه پیف قدم کینستا نه پیف حدوث

Standard Persian (translated by the author of Safina himself):

چندانک فرج را در عالم آورده‌اند چشم او نه بر قدم افتاده است نه بر حدوث

Modern English:

They brought Faraj in this world in such a way that his eye is neither towards pre-eternity nor upon createdness.


The Safina (written in the Ilkhanid era) contains many poems and sentences from the old regional dialect of Azerbaijan. Another portion of the Safina contains a direct sentence in what the author has called as "Zaban-i-Tabriz"(dialect/language of Tabriz)[29]


دَچَان چوچرخ نکویت مو ایر رهشه مهر دورش

چَو ِش دَ کارده شکویت ولَول ودَارد سَر ِ یَوه

پَری بقهر اره میر دون جو پور زون هنرمند

پروکری اَنزوتون منی که آن هزیوه

اکیژ بحتَ ورامرو کی چرخ هانزمَویتی

ژژور منشی چو بخت اهون قدریوه

نه چرخ استه نبوتی نه روزو ورو فوتی

زو ِم چو واش خللیوه زمم حو بورضی ربوه




A sentence in the dialect of Tabriz (the author calls Zaban-i-Tabriz (dialect/language of Tabriz) recorded and also translated by Ibn Bazzaz Ardabili in the Safvat al-Safa

[30]

«علیشاه چو در آمد گستاخ وار شیخ را در کنار گرفت و گفت حاضر باش بزبان تبریزی گو حریفر ژاته یعنی سخن بصرف بگو حریفت رسیده است. در این گفتن دست بر کتف مبارک شیخ زد شیخ را غیرت سر بر کرد» The sentence: "Gu Harif(a/e)r Zhaatah" is mentioned in Tabrizi Dialect.


A sentence in the dialect of Tabriz by Pir Zehtab Tabrizi addressing the Qara-qoyunlu ruler Eskandar:[23]


اسکندر, رودم کشتی, رودت کشاد "Eskandar, Roodam Koshti, Roodat Koshaad!" (Eskandar, you killed my son, may your son perish!")


The word Rood for son is still used in some Iranian dialects, specially the Larestani dialect and other dialects around Fars.

Four quatrains titled fahlavvviyat from Khwaja Muhammad Kojjani (died 677/1278-79); born in Kojjan or Korjan, a village near Tabriz, recorded by Abd-al-Qader Maraghi.[24][31] A sample of one of the four quatrains from Khwaja Muhammad Kojjani


همه کیژی نَهَند خُشتی بَخُشتی

بَنا اج چو کَه دستِ گیژی وَنیژه

همه پیغمبران خُو بی و چو کِی

محمدمصطفی کیژی وَنیژه


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Two qet'as (poems) quoted by Abd-al-Qader Maraghi in the dialect of Tabrz (died 838/1434-35; II, p. 142).[24][31] A sample of one these poems


رُورُم پَری بجولان

نو کُو بَمَن وُرارده

وی خَد شدیم بدامش

هیزا اَوُو وُرارده




A Ghazal and fourteen quatrains under the title of fahlaviyat by the poet Maghrebi Tabrizi (died 809/1406-7).[24][32]

A text probably by Mama Esmat Tabrizi, a mystical woman-poet of Tabriz (died 15th century), which occurs in a manuscript, preserved in Turkey, concerning the shrines of saints in Tabriz.[5][33]

A phrase "Buri Buri" which in Persian means Biya Biya or in English: Come! Come! is mentioned by Rumi from the mouth of Shams Tabrizi in this poem:


«ولی ترجیع پنجم در نیایم جز به دستوری

که شمس الدین تبریزی بفرماید مرا بوری

مرا گوید بیا، بوری که من باغم تو زنبوری

که تا خونت عسل گردد که تا مومت شود نوری»


The word Buri is mentioned by Hussain Tabrizi Karbali with regards to the Shaykh Khwajah Abdur-rahim Azh-Abaadi as to "come":.[34]

In the Harzandi dialect of Harzand in Azerbaijan as well as the Karingani dialect of Azerbaijan, both recorded in the 20th century, the two words "Biri" and "Burah" means to "come" and are of the same root[35]

On the language of Maragheh[edit]
Hamdollah Mostowfi of the 13th century mentions the language of Maragheh as "Pahlavi Mughayr" (modified Pahlavi):[36]

Interestingly enough, the 17th-century Ottoman Turkish traveler Evliya Chelebi who traveled to Safavid Iran also states: "The majority of the women in Maragheh converse in Pahlavi".[23]

According to the Encyclopedia of Islam:[37]"At the present day, the inhabitants speak Adhar Turkish, but in the 14th century they still spoke "arabicized Pahlawi" (Nuzhat al-Qolub: Pahlawi Mu’arrab) which means an Iranian dialect of the north western group."

Old Azeri language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All of Azaris are Persian racially. 'Only' their language is mixed with turkish.
Pahlavi = Turkic
WTF! They were Persians.
Timurids= Turkic
Timur claimed to be one of grandsons of Chengiz so he was a mongol.
Tahirids= Arabs
Persian

Plus:

Language of Anatolians is mongolized since 600 - 300 years ago.

Old Anatolia language:


Anatolian languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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People of Azerbaijan were Persian speakers and they have nothing to do with turks or mongols nor anatolis.

99% of the Iranian Azeris that I've seen on Internet forums don't give a fuk about turks. Only 1-2% separatist.

Linguistic affiliation[edit]
[original research?]

Azari is believed[by whom?] to be a part of the dialect continuum of Northwest Iranian languages. As such, its ancestor would be close to the earliest attested Northwest Iranian languages, Median. As the Northwestern and Southwestern Iranian languages had not yet developed very far apart by the first millennium AD, Azari would also still have been very similar to classical Middle Persian.[citation needed]

Azari was spoken in most of Azarbaijan at least up to the 17th century, with the number of speakers decreasing since the 11th century due to the Turkification of the area. According to some accounts, it may have survived for several centuries after that up to the 16th or 17th century. Today, Iranian dialects are still spoken in several linguistic enclaves within Azarbaijan. While some scholars believe that these dialects form a direct continuation of the ancient Azari languages,[5] others have argued that they are likely to be a later import through migration from other parts of Iran, and that the original Azari dialects became extinct.[8]

The name "Azari" is derived from the old Iranian name for the region of Azarbaijan.[citation needed] The same name for the region, in a Turkified form, was later adopted also to designate the modern Turkic language "Azeri".

According to Vladimir Minorsky, around the 9th or 10th century:[9]

“ "The original sedentary population of Azarbayjan consisted of a mass of peasants and at the time of the Arab conquest was compromised under the semi-contemptuous term of Uluj("non-Arab")-somewhat similar to the raya(*ri’aya) of the Ottoman empire. The only arms of this peaceful rustic population were slings, see Tabari, II, 1379-89. They spoke a number of dialects (Adhari, Talishi) of which even now there remains some islets surviving amidst the Turkish speaking population. It was this basic population on which Babak leaned in his revolt against the caliphate. ”
Clifford Edmund Bosworth says:[10]

“ " We need not take seriously Moqaddasī’s assertion that Azerbaijan had seventy languages, a state of affairs more correctly applicable to the Caucasus region to the north; but the basically Iranian population spoke an aberrant, dialectical form of Persian (called by Masʿūdī al-āḏarīya) as well as standard Persian, and the geographers state that the former was difficult to understand. ”
Igrar Aliyev states that:[11]


1. In the writing of medieval Arab historians (Ibn Hawqal, Muqqaddesi..), the people of Azarbaijan spoke Azari. 2. This Azari was without doubt an Iranian language because it is also contrasted with Dari but it is also mentioned as Persian. It was not the same as the languages of the Caucasus mentioned by Arab historians. 3. Azari is not exactly Dari (name used for the Khorasanian Persian which is the Modern Persian language). From the research conducted by researchers upon this language, it appears that this language is part of the NW Iranian languages and was close to Talyshi language. Talyshi language has kept some of the characteristics of the Median language.


Aliyev also mentions that the medieval Muslim historians like Baladhuri, Masudi, Ibn Hawqal and Yaqut have mentioned this language by name.[11] Medieval historians and scholars also record that the language of the region of Azarbaijan, as well as its people there, as Iranians who spoke Iranian languages. Among these writers are Istakhri,Masudi, Ibn al-Nadim, Hamza Isfahani, Ibn Hawqal,Baladhuri, Muqaddasi, Yaghubi, Hamdollah Mostowfi, andKhwarazmi.[5]

According to Gilbert Lazard:[12]

“ Azarbaijan was the domain of Adhari, an important Iranian dialect which Masudi mentions together with Dari and Pahlavi. ”
According to Professor. Richard Frye: Azari was a majorIranian language and the original language of Azerbaijanregion and Azari gradually lost its stature as the prevalent language by the end of the 14th century.[13]

Historical attestations[edit]
Ebn al-Moqaffa’ (died 142/759) is quoted by ibn Al-Nadim in his famous Al-Fihrist as stating that Azerbaijan, Nahavand, Rayy, Hamadan and Esfahan speak Fahlavi (Pahlavi) and collectively constitute the region of Fahlah.[14]

A very similar statement is given by the medieval historian Hamzeh Isfahani when talking about Sassanid Iran. Hamzeh Isfahani writes in the book Al-Tanbih ‘ala Hoduth alTashif that five "tongues" or dialects, were common in Sassanian Iran: Fahlavi, Dari, Persian, Khuzi and Soryani. Hamzeh (893-961 CE) explains these dialects in the following way:[15]

“ Fahlavi was a dialect which kings spoke in their assemblies and it is related to Fahleh. This name is used to designate five cities of Iran, Esfahan, Rey, Hamadan, Man Nahavand, and Azerbaijan. Persian is a dialect which was spoken by the clergy (Zoroastrian) and those who associated with them and is the language of the cities of Fars. Dari is the dialect of the cities of Ctesiphon and was spoken in the kings' /dabariyan/ 'courts'. The root of its name is related to its use; /darbar/ 'court* is implied in /dar/. The vocabulary of the natives of Balkh was dominant in this language, which includes the dialects of the eastern peoples. Khuzi is associated with the cities of Khuzistan where kings and dignitaries used it in private conversation and during leisure time, in the bath houses for instance. ”
Ibn Hawqal states:[5]

“ the language of the people of Azerbaijan and most of the people of Armenia (sic; he probably means the Iranian Armenia) is Iranian (al-farssya), which binds them together, while Arabic is also used among them; among those who speak al-faressya (here he seemingly means Persian, spoken by the elite of the urban population), there are few who do not understand Arabic; and some merchants and landowners are even adept in it". ”
It should be noted that Ibn Hawqal mentions that some areas of Armenia are controlled by Muslims and others by Christians.[16]

Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn Al-Masudi (896-956), theArab historian states:

“ The Persians are a people whose borders are the Mahat Mountains and Azarbaijan up to Armenia and Aran, and Bayleqan and Darband, and Ray and Tabaristan and Masqat and Shabaran and Jorjan and Abarshahr, and that is Nishabur, and Herat and Marv and other places in land of Khorasan, and Sejistan and Kerman and Fars and Ahvaz...All these lands were once one kingdom with one sovereign and one language...although the language differed slightly. The language, however, is one, in that its letters are written the same way and used the same way in composition. There are, then, different languages such as Pahlavi, Dari, Azari, as well as other Persian languages.[17]
Al-Moqaddasi (died late 10th century) considers Azerbaijan as part of the 8th division of lands. He states:"The languages of the 8th division is Iranian (al-‘ajamyya). It is partly partly Dari and partly convoluted (monqaleq) and all of them are named Persian".[18]

Al-Moqaddasi also writes on the general region of Armenia, Arran and Azerbaijan and states:[19]

“ They have big beards, their speech is not attractive. In Arminya they speak Armenian, in al-Ran, Ranian (Aranian). Their Persian is understandable, and is close to Khurasanian (Dari Persian) in sound ”
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Ahmad ibn Yaqubi mentions that the People of Azerbaijan are a mixture of Azari 'Ajams ('Ajam is a term that developed to mean Iranian) and old Javedanis (followers of Javidan the son of Shahrak who was the leader of Khurramites and successed by Babak Khorramdin).[20]

Zakarrya b. Mohammad Qazvini's report in Athar al-Bilad, composed in 1275, that "no town has escaped being taken over by the Turks except Tabriz" (Beirut ed., 1960, p. 339) one may infer that at least Tabriz had remained aloof from the influence of Turkish until the time.[5]

From the time of the Mongol invasion, most of whose armies were composed of Turkic tribes, the influence of Turkish increased in the region. On the other hand, the old Iranian dialects remained prevalent in major cities. Hamdallah Mostawafi writing in the 1340s calls the language of Maraqa as "modified Pahlavi"(Pahlavi-ye Mughayyar). Mostowafi calls the language of Zanjan (Pahlavi-ye Raast). The language of Gushtaspi covering the Caspian border region between Gilan to Shirvan is called a Pahlavi language close to the language of Gilan.[21]

Following the Islamic Conquest of Iran, Middle Persian, also known as Pahlavi, continued to be used until the 10th century when it was gradually replaced by a new breed of Persian language, most notably Dari. The Saffarid dynastyin particular was the first in a line of many dynasties to officially adopt the new language in 875 CE. Thus Dari, which contains many loanwords from its predecessors, is considered the continuation of Middle Persian which was prevalent in the early Islamic era of western Iran. The nameDari comes from the word (دربار) which refers to the royal court, where many of the poets, protagonists, and patrons of the literature flourished. (See Persian literature)

The Iranian dialect of Tabriz[edit]
According to Jean During, the inhabitants of Tabriz did not speak Turkish in the 15th century.[22]

The language of Tabriz, being an Iranian language, was not the standard Khurasani dari. Qatran Tabrizi (11th century) has an interesting couplet mentioning this fact:[23]


بلبل به سان مطرب بیدل فراز گل

گه پارسی نوازد، گاهی زند دری

Translation: The nightingale is on top of the flower like a minstrel who has lost her/his heart It bemoans sometimes in Parsi (Persian) and sometimes in Dari (Khurasani Persian)


There are extant words, phrases, sentences and poems attested in the old Iranian dialect of Tabriz in a variety of books and manuscripts.[24]

Hamdullah Mustuwafi (14th century) mentions a sentence in the language of Tabriz:[25]


تبارزه اگر صاحب حُسنی را با لباس ناسزا یابند، گویند "انگور خلوقی بی چه در، درّ سوه اندرین"؛ یعنی انگور خلوقی( انگوری مرغوب) است در سبد دریده

"The Tabrizians have a phrase when they see a fortunate and wealthy man in a uncouth clothes:" He is like fresh grapes in a ripped fruit basket. "


A Macaronic (mula'ma which is popular in Persian poetry where some verses are in one language and another in another language) poem from Homam Tabrizi, where some verses are in Khorasani (Dari) Persian and others are in the dialect of Tabriz .[26]


بدیذم چشم مستت رفتم اژ دست // كوام و آذر دلی كویا بتی مست // دل‌ام خود رفت و می‌دانم كه روژی // به مهرت هم بشی خوش كیانم اژ دست // به آب زندگی ای خوش عبارت // لوانت لاود جمن دیل و كیان بست // دمی بر عاشق خود مهربان شو // كزی سر مهرورزی كست و نی كست // به عشق‌ات گر همام از جان برآیذ // مواژش كان بوان بمرت وارست // كرم خا و ابری بشم بوینی // به بویت خته بام ژاهنام


Another Ghazal from Homam Tabrizi where all the couplets except the last couplet is in Persian. The last couplet reads:[27]


«وهار و ول و دیم یار خوش بی // اوی یاران مه ول بی مه وهاران» Transliteration: Wahar o wol o Dim yaar khwash Bi Awi Yaaraan, mah wul Bi, Mah Wahaaraan

Translation: The Spring and Flowers and the face of the friend are all pleasant But without the friend, there are no flowers or a spring.


Another recent discovery by the name of Safina-yi Tabriz has given sentences from native of Tabriz in their peculiar Iranian dialect. The work was compiled during the Ilkhanidera. A sample expression of from the mystic Baba Faraj Tabrizi in the Safina:[28]


انانک قده‌ی فرجشون فعالم آندره اووارادا چاشمش نه پیف قدم کینستا نه پیف حدوث

Standard Persian (translated by the author of Safina himself):

چندانک فرج را در عالم آورده‌اند چشم او نه بر قدم افتاده است نه بر حدوث

Modern English:

They brought Faraj in this world in such a way that his eye is neither towards pre-eternity nor upon createdness.


The Safina (written in the Ilkhanid era) contains many poems and sentences from the old regional dialect of Azerbaijan. Another portion of the Safina contains a direct sentence in what the author has called as "Zaban-i-Tabriz"(dialect/language of Tabriz)[29]


دَچَان چوچرخ نکویت مو ایر رهشه مهر دورش

چَو ِش دَ کارده شکویت ولَول ودَارد سَر ِ یَوه

پَری بقهر اره میر دون جو پور زون هنرمند

پروکری اَنزوتون منی که آن هزیوه

اکیژ بحتَ ورامرو کی چرخ هانزمَویتی

ژژور منشی چو بخت اهون قدریوه

نه چرخ استه نبوتی نه روزو ورو فوتی

زو ِم چو واش خللیوه زمم حو بورضی ربوه




A sentence in the dialect of Tabriz (the author calls Zaban-i-Tabriz (dialect/language of Tabriz) recorded and also translated by Ibn Bazzaz Ardabili in the Safvat al-Safa

[30]

«علیشاه چو در آمد گستاخ وار شیخ را در کنار گرفت و گفت حاضر باش بزبان تبریزی گو حریفر ژاته یعنی سخن بصرف بگو حریفت رسیده است. در این گفتن دست بر کتف مبارک شیخ زد شیخ را غیرت سر بر کرد» The sentence: "Gu Harif(a/e)r Zhaatah" is mentioned in Tabrizi Dialect.


A sentence in the dialect of Tabriz by Pir Zehtab Tabrizi addressing the Qara-qoyunlu ruler Eskandar:[23]


اسکندر, رودم کشتی, رودت کشاد "Eskandar, Roodam Koshti, Roodat Koshaad!" (Eskandar, you killed my son, may your son perish!")


The word Rood for son is still used in some Iranian dialects, specially the Larestani dialect and other dialects around Fars.

Four quatrains titled fahlavvviyat from Khwaja Muhammad Kojjani (died 677/1278-79); born in Kojjan or Korjan, a village near Tabriz, recorded by Abd-al-Qader Maraghi.[24][31] A sample of one of the four quatrains from Khwaja Muhammad Kojjani


همه کیژی نَهَند خُشتی بَخُشتی

بَنا اج چو کَه دستِ گیژی وَنیژه

همه پیغمبران خُو بی و چو کِی

محمدمصطفی کیژی وَنیژه


.

Two qet'as (poems) quoted by Abd-al-Qader Maraghi in the dialect of Tabrz (died 838/1434-35; II, p. 142).[24][31] A sample of one these poems


رُورُم پَری بجولان

نو کُو بَمَن وُرارده

وی خَد شدیم بدامش

هیزا اَوُو وُرارده




A Ghazal and fourteen quatrains under the title of fahlaviyat by the poet Maghrebi Tabrizi (died 809/1406-7).[24][32]

A text probably by Mama Esmat Tabrizi, a mystical woman-poet of Tabriz (died 15th century), which occurs in a manuscript, preserved in Turkey, concerning the shrines of saints in Tabriz.[5][33]

A phrase "Buri Buri" which in Persian means Biya Biya or in English: Come! Come! is mentioned by Rumi from the mouth of Shams Tabrizi in this poem:


«ولی ترجیع پنجم در نیایم جز به دستوری

که شمس الدین تبریزی بفرماید مرا بوری

مرا گوید بیا، بوری که من باغم تو زنبوری

که تا خونت عسل گردد که تا مومت شود نوری»


The word Buri is mentioned by Hussain Tabrizi Karbali with regards to the Shaykh Khwajah Abdur-rahim Azh-Abaadi as to "come":.[34]

In the Harzandi dialect of Harzand in Azerbaijan as well as the Karingani dialect of Azerbaijan, both recorded in the 20th century, the two words "Biri" and "Burah" means to "come" and are of the same root[35]

On the language of Maragheh[edit]
Hamdollah Mostowfi of the 13th century mentions the language of Maragheh as "Pahlavi Mughayr" (modified Pahlavi):[36]

Interestingly enough, the 17th-century Ottoman Turkish traveler Evliya Chelebi who traveled to Safavid Iran also states: "The majority of the women in Maragheh converse in Pahlavi".[23]

According to the Encyclopedia of Islam:[37]"At the present day, the inhabitants speak Adhar Turkish, but in the 14th century they still spoke "arabicized Pahlawi" (Nuzhat al-Qolub: Pahlawi Mu’arrab) which means an Iranian dialect of the north western group."

Old Azeri language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All of Iranian Azaris are Persian racially.

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This has been discussed so many times jezus christ...

WTF! They were Persians.
Nope. Turkic.
Timur claimed to be one of grandsons of Chengiz so he was a mongol.
Read his memoirs. He is a Turk(technically Turco-Mongol) but he considered himself a Turk.

Biz ki Türk oğlu Türk'üz;
(We are Turks that are the sons of Turks)

Arabs. Vassals of the Abbasid Caliphate. You should learn what a vassal state means.
Language of Anatolians is mongolized since 600 - 300 years ago.
Ancient Anatolian language became extinct far before the Turkic tribes arived there.

Since you are using Wikipedia as your source, it means you dont know anything regarding even your own history. I am not some uneducated dumbass like you. Just stop, you cant win.
 
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Your @sses are turkized since 600 years ago and you aren't turk.

Haplogroup distributions in Turkish people

Y chromosome Haplogroup distribution of Turkish people.[5]
According to Cinnioglu et al., (2004)[5] there are many Y-DNA haplogroups present in Turkey. The majority haplogroups are shared with their "West Asian" and "Caucasian' neighbours. By contrast, "Central Asian" haplogroups are rarer, N and Q)- 5.7% (but it rises to 36% if K, R1a, R1b and L- which infrequently occur in Central Asia, but are notable in many other Western Turkic groups), India H, R2 - 1.5% and Africa A, E3*, E3a - 1%.

Some of the percentages identified were:[5]
  • J2=24% - J2 (M172)[5] Typical of Mediterranean, Caucasian, Western and Central Asian populations.[17]
  • R1b=14.7%[5] Widespread in western Eurasia, with distinct 'west Asian' and 'west European' lineages. The predominant haplogroup among Armenians.
  • G=10.9%[5] - Typical of people from the Caucasus and to a lesser extent the Middle East.
  • E3b-M35=10.7%[5] (E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 accounting for all E representatives in the sample, besides a single E3b2-M81 chromosome). E-M78 occurs commonly, and is found in northern and eastern Africa, western Asia[18] Haplogroup E-M123is found in both Africa and Eurasia.
  • J1=9%[5] - Typical amongst people from the Arabian Peninsula and Dagestan (ranging from 3% from Turks around Konya to 12% in Kurds).
  • R1a=6.9%[5] - Common in various Central Asian, Indian, and Eastern European populations.
  • I=5.3%[5] - Common in Balkans and eastern Europe, possibly representing a back-migration to Anatolia.
  • K=4.5%[5] - Typical of Asian populations and Caucasian populations.
  • L=4.2%[5] - Typical of Indian Subcontinent and Khorasanpopulations. Found sporadically in the Middle East and the Caucasus.
  • N=3.8%[5] - Typical of Uralic, Siberian and Altaic populations.
  • T=2.5%[5] - Typical of Mediterranean, Middle Eastern, Northeast African and South Asian populations
  • Q=1.9%[5] - Typical of Northern Altaic populations (also common in Scandinavia and the Alps.)
  • C=1.3%[5] – Typical of Mongolic and Siberian populations
  • R2=0.96% [5] - Typical of South Asian population
Others markers than occurs in less than 1% are H, A, E3a , O , R1*.

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Btw where is that 1000 years?

Tahirids = Persian
Safarid = Persian
Samanid = Persian
Buyids = Persian
Seljuk = Iranian turk (soldiers of Samanids)
Ghurid = Persian
Ilkahinte/Timurid = Mongol
Zand = Persian
Safavid = Azari
Afsharid = Azari
Qajar = Azari
Pahlavi = Persian
man they are so ashamed that they got conquered and turkified thats why they say we are turks:rofl:
 
This is actually very complex issue since populations also change languages and genes flow without large scale migration, never to mention influences of culture. So when you look at the modern view physical archaeology, historical records, linguistics and DNA mapping provide us with picture that has some common features but a lot of contradictions.

To put it blundly there is no evidence that the genetic code of the ancient Turkic tribe was any different. Thus you cant genetically be "Turkic" person just like how you genetically cant be "Iranic". Its much closer to bloodline and cultural-linguistic ethnic group that have common ancestry. Prime example being the Tajiks. They are genetically closer and similair the Uzbek and Kyrgyz people. Anatolian Turks are closer to Kurds and Persians and Azeri Turks are genetically closer to other caucasian people such as Armenians and Georgians. You think this is coincedence? They are all genetically closer to people around them thus proving the overal migration and genetic flow. You like to talk about genetics but most Azeri's can thrace their ancestry back to ancient local and migrated Turkic tribes(Afshars, Javanshirs, Qajars, Safavids, Qizilbash and etc) which is more then enough for them. No need to talk about genetics, culture, languages and tradtions blabla(and i say this because i feel bad for you). Azeri's are Turkic, get over it. Yeah Turkic people ruled Iran for centries with different empires each. Accept it and move along with your life. You are a miserable sight.

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You should do something about that inferiority complex, its geniunly disturbing and it blinds you with delusional fantasies. Let this be a lesson for any retard that ever dares to call Azeri's Iranic again. I am sick of hearing your pathethic baseless BS and so are the fellow Azeri members.
turk means languege they say they are turks because they are ashamed of the reality that they got turkified look at them do they look turks to you or just misguided turkified confused people just how rmi5 was these people they claim they are turks at the same time they claim that they are caucasins and iranic:lol:

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This has been discussed so many times jezus christ...


Nope. Turkic.

Read his memoirs. He is a Turk(technically Turco-Mongol) but he considered himself a Turk.

Biz ki Türk oğlu Türk'üz;
(We are Turks that are the sons of Turks)


Arabs. Vassals of the Abbasid Caliphate. You should learn what a vassal state means.

Ancient Anatolian language became extinct far before the Turkic tribes arived there.

Since you are using Wikipedia as your source, it means you dont know anything regarding even your own history. I am not some uneducated dumbass like you. Just stop, you cant win.
if they are turks then they should leave to mongolia their real homeland
 
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This has been discussed so many times jezus christ...


Nope. Turkic.

Read his memoirs. He is a Turk(technically Turco-Mongol) but he considered himself a Turk.

Biz ki Türk oğlu Türk'üz;
(We are Turks that are the sons of Turks)


Arabs. Vassals of the Abbasid Caliphate. You should learn what a vassal state means.

Ancient Anatolian language became extinct far before the Turkic tribes arived there.

Since you are using Wikipedia as your source, it means you dont know anything regarding even your own history. I am not some uneducated dumbass like you. Just stop, you cant win.
Dumbass is your Mongolian mother turd.

The Timurid dynasty (Persian: تیموریان‎‎), self-designated as Gurkani (Persian: گورکانیان‎‎, Gūrkāniyān), was a Sunni Muslim[1] dynasty or clan of Turco-Mongollineage[2][3][4][5] descended from the warlord Timur (also known as Tamerlane). The word "Gurkani" derived from "gurkan", a Persianized form of the Mongolian word "kuragan" meaning "son-in-law",[6] as the Timurids being in-laws of the line of Genghis Khan,[7] founder of theMongol Empire.

Timurid dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dumbass Anatoli, Tahirids were vassal of Abbasid only for 'one' year.

Tahirid Dynasty:

Part of Abbasid Caliphate (821-822)

They invaded Abbasids in Baghdad and killed their Caliphate. Their soldiers ran away when they saw Iranian army.

Tahirid dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Dumbass turd, Pahlavids were heavily pro Persians how were they turkic you turd???
 
dude what's the deal with Iranian fb pages
all i can find on iranian fb pages is that how good shah was or how good zorostarianism is
like is zorostarainism a big religion in iran?
Like does Iran identify it self as a zorostarian state or a shia muslim state
really confused
or is it a blend of islam with zorostarianism.
now plz dont go all ninja on me i'm just asking
last time i asked this question to an iranian i got told i was an arab ******
now i dont like saudia too but never the less i still identify myself as a muslim
i hate their policies but the ppl i talked to were like **** arabs sure
but then they said mean stuff about islam
plz dont make this into a shia sunni
or they kafir you kafir game
just need an insight
 
Lol relax kiddo , I missed the OTH mark and was considering standard radar of S-300 or others.
last time I checked OTH radar is located right in the center of Iran , giving Iran just the detection within its own borders

and the 3000km range OTH radar which was reported at 40% completion at Feb 2015 , most likely hasn't been completed yet.

Lol you plan on using AAA against a cruise missile? Unless you are talking about NBS Mantis type of AA then even if you managed to knock down some cruise missiles with a freaking AA , the hit to kill ration would be really low.

Nope, SOM WAS using the TRI-40 and Kale has developed a working engine for SOM back in 2014
just to add on a 800km version of SOM was tested back in 2013 and 1500km version of SOM in 2014
source : SOM 800KM Successfully Tested, Next Target 1500KM Mid 2014

save me your Iran stroknkk1kk!!! bs , Iran got its BM tech from North f*cking Korea, piss off with your stupidity and pride.
Turkey is developing and has already tested BM with a range of more than 1000km , @cabatli_53 can tell you more.

yes Iran will smash Turkey into pieces in matter of seconds, even though Turkey has a much more powerful military and Iran having a much more fragile economy.

Like I said your Coast Based infrastructure which accounts for a massive part of your economy will be very easy targets for TurAF, eventhough like you said the Yildirim 1 has a CEP problem its more than enough to deal with large sized infrastructure.


At least you admitted you're don't have a clue what you're talking about :rofl: First go learn about what an OTH radar is and then comment, you people only like to embarrass yourselves.
No, seperh radar seems up and running from the news we heard, all you have to do is go in Iranian airdefence thread and educate yourself. As for the ghadir radar, it seems once again, you're incapable to do a simple research? Iran now has 2 ghadir radars, one of the which is detecting is a large chunk of turkey and add on top of that, Iran also now has mobile OTH radars. Thus Iran has 0 problems with detecting the useless SOM.

As for shooting down the cruise missile, are you that freaking backward? I used AAA as an example, arrays of ground based guns and artillery guns linked to radars and E/O systems could easily shoot down such low speed missiles. But I was just giving an example that one does not need a s-300 to shoot down such a missile, unless you're so moronic to actually think SOM can only be destroyed by such systems. Iran has a whole array of airdefence systems which will make short work of these SOMs which are made in small number(due to being made in small numbers) via airdefence such a Ra'ad, Talash etc etc.

Your problems is, you can't use reasoning. Iran got a few liquid fuelled ballistic missiles from North Korea in the 80's. Moron, Iranian prowess in missile tech today is in the solid fuelled department, such as Iranian anti ship, anti radiation ballistic missiles. North Korea does not even have solid fuelled missiles. Iranian position in missile today has little to do with North Korean or any outside nations as Iran possess missile which are unique only to Iran such the Hormoz series etc.

Turkey only has a repainted Chinese missile and that's it. There is nothing more, all these talks of a longer range missile is turkish BS propaganda. Let me know when a single test of such a missile is shown in the next 20 years. Turkey's only hope is importing some more chinese missiles and that's it.

Turkish military is a joke dude, they cannot do jack to Iran, as you can see, the only potential offensive weapon they have is some missile which uses imported engines and even that would be turned into scarp very fast. It is quite simple here kid, Iran could easily smash turkey by pressing a few bottons and turkey could not do jack in retaliation except cry to daddy US. Turkey is too puny.
 
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Dumbass is your Mongolian mother turd.

The Timurid dynasty (Persian: تیموریان‎‎), self-designated as Gurkani (Persian: گورکانیان‎‎, Gūrkāniyān), was a Sunni Muslim[1] dynasty or clan of Turco-Mongollineage[2][3][4][5] descended from the warlord Timur (also known as Tamerlane). The word "Gurkani" derived from "gurkan", a Persianized form of the Mongolian word "kuragan" meaning "son-in-law",[6] as the Timurids being in-laws of the line of Genghis Khan,[7] founder of theMongol Empire.

Timurid dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dumbass Anatoli, Tahirids were vassal of Abbasid only for 'one' year.

Tahirid Dynasty:

Part of Abbasid Caliphate (821-822)

They invaded Abbasids in Baghdad and killed their Caliphate. Their soldiers ran away when they saw Iranian army.

Tahirid dynasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Dumbass turd, Pahlavids were heavily pro Persians how were they turkic you turd???

Not really. They have been vassals throughout their entire existence. The first Tahirid that was appointed by the Caliph alone reigned for about 8 years so i dont know where you got this "for one year" from.

His clan was a Turco-Mongolian tribe named Barlas. This clan was Mongolian but were Turkified throughout the centuries(which happened ALOT because the two people were so compatible. The only difference was language). However becuase he is related through Ghengiz Khan by bloodline, we simply call him a "Turco-Mongol" ruler. Even though Timur consider himselfs a Turk proven by his memoirs. Here are a couple.

"Biz kim, Mulki Turon, Amiri Turkistonmiz:
(We are the possessors of Turan and Emir of Turkestan)

Biz ki Türk oğlu Türk'üz;
(We are Turks that are the sons of Turks)

Biz kim millatlarning eng qadimi va eng ulug’i
(We are the members of the oldest and the greatest nations)

Turkning bosh bo’g’inimiz"
(We are the leaders of Turks)


The Pahlavi's were a Turkic dynasty that was persiafied thoroughly, but still etnically Turkic.

man they are so ashamed that they got conquered and turkified thats why they say we are turks:rofl:

So you are suggesting we arent Turkic? then we would by descendants of the ancient Anatolian people. Not something i wouldnt take pride in. The Hittite empire alone has a pretty rich history.
 

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