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Aziz jan, bishtar misheh goft ke rous ha, technology ra az rolls royes e engelestan dozdidand!!! Ageh dastanesh ra bekhouni, daastaan e jaalebu hast vaghean!!!

بله درسته
کارهای جمیز باندی جناب میخویان مثل سوهان کاری اجزای پره ها
و پوشیدن کفش پاشنه ابری(درحال بازدید از کارخانه رولزرویس) برای جمع اوری براده از کف کارگاه
و از همه مهمتر ذهن فتو گرافیک خود ارتم میخویان واقعا نبوغ این مرد رو نشون می ده

ولی باز هم به نظر من انگلستان واقعا اشتباه بزرگی کرد
در حالی که امریکا تمام تلاشش روی نرسیدن حتی یک نمونه موتور به شوروی بود
حتی فروختن موتورهای انگلیسی به روسیه کار اشتباهی بود

بالاخره لوفدوافه بدجوری لندن رو جزونده بود , انگلیس مجبور شد

@rmi5
جناب می تونم بپرسم رشته تحصیلی شما چیه؟
 
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It is very funny because I never (90% of times) used offences or insults. Very funny..... . You have closed 60% of my threads while you do not close anti Iranian threads in me section. Another funny thing is that an nuts Arab insults us ethnicity by calling "farsi" and bringing "terrorist mullahs" in every thread. Please show me only one time that I have insulted a race ethnicity? Please stop your censorship since it would not work in 2015.
my fingers have fallen off deleting the farsi , arab camel , berber slags.
you guys are very noble you only remember the hear t caused to you and you see it magnified,.
all I asked you to promise me to be a good man.

and not justify something based on what Saif does. I will deal with him later. by the way I think he is banned in your section no?
censor exists only for offensive material
 
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بله درسته
کارهای جمیز باندی جناب میخویان مثل سوهان کاری اجزای پره ها
و پوشیدن کفش پاشنه ابری(درحال بازدید از کارخانه رولزرویس) برای جمع اوری براده از کف کارگاه
و از همه مهمتر ذهن فتو گرافیک خود ارتم میخویان واقعا نبوغ این مرد رو نشون می ده
:tup: Daghighan manzouram hamin boud! Vaghean in adam genius boudeh!!!
ولی باز هم به نظر من انگلستان واقعا اشتباه بزرگی کرد
در حالی که امریکا تمام تلاشش روی نرسیدن حتی یک نمونه موتور به شوروی بود
حتی فروختن موتورهای انگلیسی به روسیه کار اشتباهی بود

بالاخره لوفدوافه بدجوری لندن رو جزونده بود , انگلیس مجبور شد
Daghighan :tup:
@rmi5
جناب می تونم بپرسم رشته تحصیلی شما چیه؟
Man tou amrica, doctoraaye electronic daaram mikhounam. Albatteh, gar che metallurgist nistam, vali metallurgist ha ra doust daaram ;) :lol:
 
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my fingers have fallen off deleting the farsi , arab camel , berber slags.
you guys are very noble you only remember the hear t caused to you and you see it magnified,.
all I asked you to promise me to be a good man.

and not justify something based on what Saif does. I will deal with him later. by the way I think he is banned in your section no?
censor exists only for offensive material
Bro I never insulted any race, at least I don't remeber. Maybe only two times I told camel's urine drinker. Anyway I stress that would\will not insult any race.
 
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I can unban you from posting thee if you promise not no initiate, indulge or respond to controversial, offensive postings that are sectarian or racist in particular or anything else which causes flaming.

time and again I am asked why I banned them although they "only" responded to an offensive post by responding offensively and in same manner. well the answer lies in their own admission.


if I have your word that you wont disappointment me and @Serpentine then I will unban you.
so you ban those who react to hate and sectarian posts? Do you do anything to those who start posting those posts? If you ban one who respond and leave the post and poster intact then it is not fair at all...but if you treat both of them the same and delete the first triggering post too..then you are a God of counter terrorism

تحریکم نکنید ... یهو دیدی یه چیزی اینجا گذاشتم دهنم سرویس شد
khodeto control kon... hamoontori ke ta hala kama bish kardi... vali ye soal:

inhame khareji ha va akhiran ham hamvatanane khodemoon be ghaher va motor jet va gheire mitoopan ke doroughe va aslan vojoud nadare va iran pool nadare va tech nadare.... Soal inja pish miad:

Agar farda roozi az khab pa shodim didim hameye inha vojoud ke dare hich balke behtar az ooniye ke fekresho mikardim..in doostan va oon doshmanan chikar mikonan??

khodayeesh soale baram... man nemigam ghaher alie ya aslan vojoud dare ya jet engine ro Iran ghablan tolid karde vali man tahala kheili dar Iran surprise shodam...chera ehtemal nemidam dobare surprise besham?
albate jesarat nabashe be doostan
 
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Agar farda roozi az khab pa shodim didim hameye inha vojoud ke dare hich balke behtar az ooniye ke fekresho mikardim..in doostan va oon doshmanan chikar mikonan??
dobare shomaro az khab bidar mikonan.
 
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@rmi5

You're studying Phd in electronics? that's great bro! You'e obviously much more able to comment on Iran's electronic situation. Do you have any idea if there are any major microprocessors being developed in Iran? There was this one below:

Pars-Semiconductor_Aristo.jpg
 
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Agar farda roozi az khab pa shodim didim hameye inha vojoud ke dare hich balke behtar az ooniye ke fekresho mikardim..in doostan va oon doshmanan chikar mikonan??

kheyli khoshahl mishim
ma ke bakhil nistim faghat migim nabayad entezare miracle az gaher dashte bashim (like f-22 , f-35 and ...)

ghaher dar rade khodesh (anti ship) besayr eede nabi hast va ba gheymat kamesh ghabeliyat tolid khobi dare
man ham omidvaram ghaher ro dar hal fire kardan moshak cruise bebinam

دوستان اهمیت و قابلیت قاهر برای نیروی هوایی مانند قایق تندرو هست برای نیروی دریایی
قیمت کم ,کارا در نبرد متقارن ,حرکت در سطح دریا و برد کوتاه
حرف من اینه که از قایق تندرو انتظار ناو هواپیمابر نداشته باشید
 
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تحریکم نکنید ... یهو دیدی یه چیزی اینجا گذاشتم دهنم سرویس شد
نه بیخیال سهیل جان
ولی حداقل نظرت رو درباره توانایی احتمالی قاهر بیان کن
 
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@rmi5

You're studying Phd in electronics? that's great bro! You'e obviously much more able to comment on Iran's electronic situation. Do you have any idea if there are any major microprocessors being developed in Iran? There was this one below:

Pars-Semiconductor_Aristo.jpg
@Shahryar Hedayati @rahi
Bebin aziz, dar microelectronics industry, chandin mored mohem hast ke misheh ounhaa ra tou design e chip haye electronics, va Fabrication e ounhaa kholaaseh kard. baraaye industry level, va research level(va hamin tor academic, military, special purpose chips, ...) ham ghaziyeh kheyli motefaavet hast.

Baraaye fabrication, sarmaayeh gozaari kheyli mohem hast. yek fabrication plant e kheyli saade ye industry, raahat bishtar az 1 billion dollar kharj daareh. fabrication plant haye Intel, ... ke arzesheshoun tou order e 40-60 billion dollar hast!!! Pas ageh bekhaad tou in bakhsh sarmaayeh gozaari besheh, kheyli mofid hast, vali baayad did e kheyli jeddi va asaasi behesh daasht. Iran mikhaast yek so called Iranian silicon valley taraf haye lorestan bezaneh, vali ba in budget e kami ke Iran kharj mikoneh, kheyli tarh e jeddi i az aab dar nemiyaad. Tou in bakhsh, vaghti design anjam besheh, misheh fabrization ra be china, malaysia, taiwan, ... sefaaresh daad.

Tou bahs e design, nirouye ensaani mohem hast, ke Iran baraaye design e chip haye general va por kaarbord e industry, moshkeli nadaareh. sefaaresh ham mitouneh ferestaadeh besheh taiwan, ... baraaye saakht.

ammaa dar mored e special purpose chips, mesle high tech chip haye industry, va military chips va ... inha kheyli oghaat az fabrization technology haye jadid va khaas, (mesle hybrid semiconductors, ... ) estefaadeh misheh ke Iran tou design(digeh che berese be fabrication e inha) sefr hast. In chizha ra baayad poul rikht tou daneshgah ha va sherkat haye nezaami, ta azashoun chiz e be dard bekhor besheh dar aavord. Iran tou in chiz ha, taghriban yek 40 saal aghab hast. Taazeh baaz Iran ba vojoud e in 40 saal aghab boudan, be nesbat e kheyli keshvar ha, baaz pishrafte talaghghi misheh!!!

@The Last of us
Asl e cutting edge technology ham baraaye hamin special purpose chip ha hast, ke aghab moundegi ye ma toush mohskhkhas misheh. Injaast ke aadam taazeh mibineh ke che ghadr ostad haye behtaring daneshgah haye Iran ham, daanesheshoun obsolete va baraaye stone age hast ;) Iran be nirouye javaan e tahsil kardeh ye ba daanesh va poul e ziyaad, tou in bakhsh niyaaz e shadid daareh.

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AAli bod merci . hala be nazaret 10 billion (aslan dar hamoun 10 sal ) haazer hastand kharj konand ? jaayi ke ba ye mock up mellat kaf mikonan ?
Vaazehan na.
 
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@Shahryar Hedayati @rahi
Bebin aziz, dar microelectronics industry, chandin mored mohem hast ke misheh ounhaa ra tou design e chip haye electronics, va Fabrication e ounhaa kholaaseh kard. baraaye industry level, va research level(va hamin tor academic, military, special purpose chips, ...) ham ghaziyeh kheyli motefaavet hast.

Baraaye fabrication, sarmaayeh gozaari kheyli mohem hast. yek fabrication plant e kheyli saade ye industry, raahat bishtar az 1 billion dollar kharj daareh. fabrication plant haye Intel, ... ke arzesheshoun tou order e 40-60 billion dollar hast!!! Pas ageh bekhaad tou in bakhsh sarmaayeh gozaari besheh, kheyli mofid hast, vali baayad did e kheyli jeddi va asaasi behesh daasht. Iran mikhaast yek so called Iranian silicon valley taraf haye lorestan bezaneh, vali ba in budget e kami ke Iran kharj mikoneh, kheyli tarh e jeddi i az aab dar nemiyaad. Tou in bakhsh, vaghti design anjam besheh, misheh fabrization ra be china, malaysia, taiwan, ... sefaaresh daad.

Tou bahs e design, nirouye ensaani mohem hast, ke Iran baraaye design e chip haye general va por kaarbord e industry, moshkeli nadaareh. sefaaresh ham mitouneh ferestaadeh besheh taiwan, ... baraaye saakht.

ammaa dar mored e special purpose chips, mesle high tech chip haye industry, va military chips va ... inha kheyli oghaat az fabrization technology haye jadid va khaas, (mesle hybrid semiconductors, ... ) estefaadeh misheh ke Iran tou design(digeh che berese be fabrication e inha) sefr hast. In chizha ra baayad poul rikht tou daneshgah ha va sherkat haye nezaami, ta azashoun chiz e be dard bekhor besheh dar aavord. Iran tou in chiz ha, taghriban yek 40 saal aghab hast.


Vaazehan na.


Thanks for taking the time to explain dadash. I would have given you a +1 rating if I could :D
 
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Bebin aziz, dar microelectronics industry, chandin mored mohem hast ke misheh ounhaa ra tou design e chip haye electronics, va Fabrication e ounhaa kholaaseh kard. baraaye industry level, va research level(va hamin tor academic, military, special purpose chips, ...) ham ghaziyeh kheyli motefaavet hast.

Baraaye fabrication, sarmaayeh gozaari kheyli mohem hast. yek fabrication plant e kheyli saade ye industry, raahat bishtar az 1 billion dollar kharj daareh. fabrication plant haye Intel, ... ke arzesheshoun tou order e 40-60 billion dollar hast!!! Pas ageh bekhaad tou in bakhsh sarmaayeh gozaari besheh, kheyli mofid hast, vali baayad did e kheyli jeddi va asaasi behesh daasht. Iran mikhaast yek so called Iranian silicon valley taraf haye lorestan bezaneh, vali ba in budget e kami ke Iran kharj mikoneh, kheyli tarh e jeddi i az aab dar nemiyaad. Tou in bakhsh, vaghti design anjam besheh, misheh fabrization ra be china, malaysia, taiwan, ... sefaaresh daad.

Tou bahs e design, nirouye ensaani mohem hast, ke Iran baraaye design e chip haye general va por kaarbord e industry, moshkeli nadaareh. sefaaresh ham mitouneh ferestaadeh besheh taiwan, ... baraaye saakht.

ammaa dar mored e special purpose chips, mesle high tech chip haye industry, va military chips va ... inha kheyli oghaat az fabrization technology haye jadid va khaas, (mesle hybrid semiconductors, ... ) estefaadeh misheh ke Iran tou design(digeh che berese be fabrication e inha) sefr hast. In chizha ra baayad poul rikht tou daneshgah ha va sherkat haye nezaami, ta azashoun chiz e be dard bekhor besheh dar aavord. Iran tou in chiz ha, taghriban yek 40 saal aghab hast.

@The Last of us
Asl e cutting edge technology ham baraaye hamin special purpose chip ha hast, ke aghab moundegi ye ma toush mohskhkhas misheh. Injaast ke aadam taazeh mibineh ke che ghadr ostad haye behtaring daneshgah haye Iran ham, daanesheshoun obsolete va baraaye stone age hast ;) Iran be nirouye javaan e tahsil kardeh ye ba daanesh va poul e ziyaad, tou in bakhsh niyaaz e shadid daareh.
mamnoun rmi jan .

@Serpentine
Hagh ba last of us hast . Koja mikhay kharj koni in + rating ha ro pas :partay:
 
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No Money ! No Honey !

More important than money is brains. The importance of money pales in comparison to brains. Even the money itself has to be generated by the brains and is a sub-slave in this equation. If money and other resources were all that was required, China by now would have over-taken Western technology and Saudi Arabia would be at the forefront of technology. It has not happened. And I can safely say, will not happen at least in our life times.

The jet engine was not invented for the first time, because alot of money was invested in it. But largely because of personal efforts of two brains, one German and the other British. Whittle was only 21 years old when he designed the world's first technically feasible jet engine. Similar is the case of piston engines which also were invented by personal efforts of other brains like Rudolf Diesel. It is almost the case in every single instance of groundbreaking technology and science. You have to give credit to Western world here, that has a culture and more importantly a strong civilizational 'Institutional Memory' which allows such brains to be born, raised, allowed to think/dream, supported and put to work.

This is not the case in places such as Iran and even China, not even if you spend kabillions of dollars. As I had told you before, Qaher is not an anomaly. It is the best independently designed object that could be built in Iran when money was not an issue (Ahmadinejad government was the only government after Shah which did not have money problems at all due to a streak of luck with oil prices). Today China does not have any money problems. But the next generation of engines are not being designed in China. They are being designed in France, England, Germany, Canada, United States and to a lesser extent Russia.

In other words, there is no Oleg Losev that can push the civilization forward in Iran or in China. The best Iran can do, is learn some Chinese style management skills for reverse engineering and combine it with occasional "ingenuity" to produce workable fake platforms but never genuine products. If you think by spending abit more money or by changing the management or political system, you can alter the destiny of these nations and make them as 'modern' as West, then you are sadly mistaken. The roots of science and technology, are not in money or management both of which can be argued to be sub-sets of science and technology themselves (the thing we call money is actually not what ancient societies knew as money, in ancient world it was precious metals etc that were money, today money is a mere concept of measuring economic productivity in Western accounting system similar is the story with management and development of human resources).

It is better to accept the truth and start moving forward than create fairy tales about failures of these nations.

In other words this is the BEST you DESERVE.

I asked someone here, about the prominent literature in science and philosophy of Iran around the time (before and after), when The Republic was being written by Plato. The answer that came back was shocking. It was claimed, Iran also had written five volumes of its own philosophy of life, politics and science but they were lost because only one copy existed and this copy got burnt or was lost in a rainy night or maybe dog ate it. Such mentality has not allowed us to progress. The mentality that assumes itself to be among the elites of the world and human civilization by default both now and historically. While the truth can not be further from this.

Forget about the jet engine. Take the case of electrical power. Billions and billions and then tens of billions and tens of billions of dollars have been invested in it by Iran. To the point that few countries go for instance Iran even bought the Siemens production line for turbine manufacturing at a tremendous cost which has not yet been revealed but I can safely say, must have been in billions. Universities and colleges have been built, that produce electrical engineers, even doctorates at tremendous cost to the nation whether this cost is being met by public funds from government or private funds of mommy and daddy, being actually irrelevant since it is the nation we are talking about. Billions were spent on setting up factories producing things like refrigerators or transformers.

The end result? Well, certainly a higher quality of life. But any change in destiny? Absolutely not. Despite spending zizzilion dollars in this regard, not even one Oleg Losev or Faraday or Tesla or Musk was born in Iran.

One wonders, if all this money has been spent wisely. For instance, if this money had been spent on daamparvari, keshavarzi, kozeh-gari, ghanat-kani, farsh-bafi and other traditional professions in Iran, the Iranian nation would certainly have been as happy as today, if not more. They would have had more to eat for less money. Like old times. Now, we have doctorates in electrical power who are politicians instead of being Oleg Losev, we have soldiers who are playing the part of Oleg Losev, the politicians who become soldiers and philosophers who are actually translators. Because none of these really loved what they went into. They went into these either to claim their share of rent money or to satisfy not the field they have gone into but another purpose eg. spiritual, religious, patriotic etc etc. That love and gheirat does not exist which allow for individuals to love something so much that allows them to progress in it.

Not that I am only pinpointing only electrical power. But also every other field. From medicine to dentistry. Kholaseh ma harfi barayeh goftan aslan nadarim. Na dar gozashteh na dar hal hazer. We can and should change the future though. This is the only rational thing and way. And it can not be done, if we start blaming others (eg akhonda, amrika, shah, etc etc) instead of accepting who we really are and start moving forward from there. For instance, @New should think why after spending jijillion of dollars in his field, we could not have even one single Oleg Losev who despite having no formal training, no professional education, no funding, no support, while he was being prosecuted by a repressive political system, and while he starved to death and while he was living at the front line in World War II under Nazi shelling and bombardment, became Oleg Losev? Can @New imagine an Iranian, who because of his family's association with Shah's regime was under prosecution by revolutionary government, who had no university education, who was working as a mere unimportant technician, who was living in Abadan/Ahvaz, who was under shelling and bombardment of Saddam, who had no support, then became Oleg Losev?

The day you will find the answer to these questions, is the day, you will design the state of the art engine which are now past the days of single crystal and are now going towards resin autoclave composites which make flexible turbine blades that change their structural shape at different turbine speeds under centrifugal forces, thus making the engine more efficient, less noisy and more durable. Or maybe designing the shape shifting engines which structurally adapt to air speed. Or maybe something else. But this all starts by accepting that we are today what we are.
 
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