Iranian Chill Thread

[ResurgentIran]

Oh no ! really ?

what about barbari ? oh man, just come back already .

I have not found it anywhere!

 

[Arminkh]

Screw you!! Now you just reminded me that there is no place for me in either Denmark or Sweden to get noone Sangak
I would kill for some noone sangak and scrambled eggs for breakfast. Then I can die happy

Even if you find them they don't taste like that of Iran. The other thing that is bothering me here is cheese. Oh god I miss Pegah, and Kaleh breakfast cheese. There is nothing here that even comes close.

We are sharing the same pain!

 

[Daneshmand]

Hey man, sorry for the lateness, I've got some wife to deal with.

No problem. Enjoy yourself . Meanwhile I had another "philosophical debate" with an American here, with complete defeat of the American

Lab Grown Meat

Thanks buddy, for the thorough reply, but let me break in with a saying from the infamous Francis Bacon in his book the New Atlantis (Not exactly I can recall but something like this) that no matter what but all the mass movements (revolutions, ...) are doomed to end in fizzle and fracture at the end of the day, but those initiated based on the collective wisdom are among those to lose the less, in other words history proves the only outcome of such movements would be the increase in collective experience of the masses, but in what price?
That's where I think the real cause of the so called LCD comes into attention.

Such ideas are not new. Consider Ibn Khaldun the greatest Arab thinker (though some say he was of European heritage and he himself was a harsh critic of Arab culture and savagery) who had theorized that civilizations (a mass movement) have three phases. Rise, peak and fall, which per his view are inevitable outcomes. He then goes on to explain these and give reasons for their occurrence. As for collective wisdom, I do not believe people as a whole in a cumulative sense, can become so wise that they would be able generate a progressive society, let alone a utopia. It might happen perhaps in a science fiction setting where a society has reached such level of wisdom that does not even need politics and leadership (Here, Socrates would roll in his grave since he believed that the maximum wisdom a society can muster is to choose a wise leader).

I also want to note that a society can not exceed its actual realities and abilities even if led by a "philosopher king" with a detailed plan for a utopia. The people on individual levels must be intellectuals themselves at least a segment of them who steadfastly believe in power of knowledge and its implications. In other words, a society gets a leader that it deserves. No more no less. Even God has promised that

But your point of collective experience is more interesting. Because it is about how we perceive and even "feel" about knowledge gained through experience rather than its mere study. An interesting question, would be, in regard to your point of reference; if Iranian revolution had not occurred but the people, collectively had theoretically studied such a hypothetical revolution in detailed philosophical and scientific way (ie each and every Iranian) had these people been more mature and knowledgeable or would they actually be just philosophical zombies?

To answer this question, I want to refer to qualia. For example take the case of Mary the Super-Scientist (or for that matter even Fred the Super Eye) thought experiment. Will she learn something new when she sees color red for the first time? I believe she does indeed.

Another question, would then arise, given the experience of all these people. Are their qualia the same? Again I want to refer to another thought experiment, the infamous Inverted Spectrum. We both see an apple and say it is red in color. But while you are seeing it in red and saying correctly it is red, I am seeing it in green and because I have learned language calls my green perception red, I go about thinking that you also are seeing green and calling it red. We are both clueless that we are seeing the world completely differently and have no way to communicate our true qualia to each other.

How we are going to ever know if we are seeing the world and its happenings the same way? There is no philosophical way to do it and neither there is a scientific way (as of today and to my awareness).

If we can not even know how others are seeing the world, how can we expect them to form such a deeply self aware society?

I think the best solution is always a compromise. Even wars and revolutions have to reach a compromise at the end. Rather than focusing on creating uniformity, it is a superior to strive for a society wherein compromises are routine affairs. A society where an idealist can go about his ideas but should not expect to convert every one and a realist should be able to tolerate and accommodate the idealist in his world. Or any number of other scenarios. Such a society does not come about by violence, exclusionism and obscenities of type 1 and type 2 mice. It comes about by a large segment of society having become the type 3 mice. In other words you can not expect such a society to exist in Saudi Arabia or Syria right now. You can expect it to exist in Canada or US.

Dude, you broke my bubble of expectations too. I mentioned those beliefs cause I was to imply a point.
Brain is just a tool, for the sake of a real outcome you need to insert the necessary input, to have a judge on those questions you asked, one need a proper array of information to judge the outcome, and based on the fact that we are all entitled to sink in the ocean of history, to be a dot on the long line of history, you have to either select one of the two options;
either you choose to trust the historians, and base the fundamental of your judging process on their claims.
Or you have to choose to stay quiet about it.
What I was trying to say here is that, I did reject, and I would reject the principles of the thinking procedure that would assume the lack of evidence as a proof of no existence. The very same line of thinking procedure you opted to track on this specific subject.

As you saw above, this tool is not very reliable either. It can play tricks on you. As you saw above, the poor brain is rather imprisoned by its own qualia sometimes even with no way to communicate it.

That is why we have to remain objective if we want to reach a fairly accurate conclusion based on available facts and figures and even thinking. Otherwise, there would be no meaningful conclusion. Just chaos, myths and assumptions.

Thanks for the interesting story, that was quite an interesting way to explain your point.
Religion, what is religion? you know one of the the main reasons for me to see the whole subject with a little grain of salt is the strong belief and faith I see around..
The very same people whom are incapable of talking for sure about what's behind of the very same little hill in front of their homes they see it on every morning, cause they've never got the necessary courage and interest to explore it, are talking so faithfully about the never ever unseen God and the afterlife, that only causes me more skepticism and the shock of surprise.
As you, very interestingly and very well tried to deliver the exact point that many philosophers, from the very old Greek ones to the very recent infamous and beloved Nietzsche and ..., have tried their best to express it in the history, there is no doubt that there should be given some credits to the idea that religion was something made to back the poors in the face of the strongs, that the law was something to save the interests of the powerfulls and the richs infront of the surge of the rages of the poors and depriveds, that some credits should be given to the idea that as Plato proposed, maybe there were no other tool to control the masses except enforcing them the principals of the spiritualism.
And many more questions to ask.
All in all, thanks again for the input.

Well, I am not an akhond , you might want to talk to an educated akhond on this subject. I can only tell about my perception of religion and how I see it not as a scholar of it but on a more personal level. First of all I do not agree with Nietzsche on this matter. Having grown up in a irreligious family, I have no prejudice on the matter but now I find religion rather important. Not really for worldly matters. At least in modern human societies, I find religion rather restrictive, anti-progressive and even anti-pleasure. But this is not the whole story. On a level, one wishes it was , then the life would have been much simpler and enjoyable (at least in modern times if you are in the West, have a healthy body and mind as well as money .... etc etc ).

From my personal perspective the sole reason for existence of religion are two questions one leading to another with the last one being consequential for us:

1) Where this universe and all that is in it or even beyond came from? The best science has been able to prove is the theory of big bang. But this is really not an answer. Because it would raise another question, where did big bang come from? and so on. No theory has been put forward to explain how from no existence, an existence comes out. Without this theory, no body can prove or disprove existence of God. Therefore using a random model, it would yield a 50% chance that he does exist. And 50% that he does not.

2) A rather continuation of the above question would be, is there an after-life? Now this question has implications for us. Rather huge ones. I myself believing in science and applicable philosophy, agree with Pascal that we should play this gamble on the safe side. Even if we play it scientific and assume an extremely small probability for existence of God say 10e-googolplex, still rationally you have to stay a believer since other choices would not be safe bets.

As for why people who have no knowledge of the hilltop beyond their homes believe in God, you can make several answers for it. You can say they have qualia of the knowledge without being aware of the knowledge itself (philosophical argument), similarly you can argue there is a specialized brain center which is dedicated to spirituality and God (there is scientific evidence for this) or alternatively they can be like me, who has waged his option on the only safe side.

 

[rahi2357]

And whaaaat ???

I found these comments on youtube

Inam be eshghe doostane door az sangako barbario kale paache

coming soon ... what he gonna show in his congress speech ?

 

[Falcon29]

@rahi2357

You always deliver with your weekly set of pictures.

Keep them coming.

 

[rahi2357]

You always deliver with your weekly set of pictures.

Damn right I don't always post on pdf but when i do ...

 

[Arminkh]

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Vali kheili namardi! (kale pache ro migam!)

 

[Abii]

Screw you!! Now you just reminded me that there is no place for me in either Denmark or Sweden to get noone Sangak
I would kill for some noone sangak and scrambled eggs for breakfast. Then I can die happy

Even if you find them they don't taste like that of Iran. The other thing that is bothering me here is cheese. Oh god I miss Pegah, and Kaleh breakfast cheese. There is nothing here that even comes close.

We are sharing the same pain!

I thought at least in Toronto things would be like Vancouver!!! In Vancouver we have 3 sangakis that make sangak right there in front of you, Irooni style. Literally hang in on the wall for it to cool down like in Iran. Irooni and non-irooni walks out with a sangak in his hand (Afra Bakery).

And for cheese we have Arvand. It's an Iranian company based out of Vancouver. They make the best doogh and cheese I've ever had. Literally better than Iran. I refuse to drink doogh that isn't Arvand. Most people out in the West Coast go for Arvand instead of garbage imports like Pegah. The thing with Arvand is that it's made in Canada so everything is fresh and the quality is great too.

But I'm stuck in Alberta for now so I can kind of share your pains.

Afra Bakery & Market - North Vancouver, BC | Yelp

 

[Arminkh]

I thought at least in Toronto things would be like Vancouver!!! In Vancouver we have 3 sangakis that make sangak right there in front of you, Irooni style. Literally hang in on the wall for it to cool down like in Iran. Irooni and non-irooni walks out with a sangak in his hand (Afra Bakery).

And for cheese we have Arvand. It's an Iranian company based out of Vancouver. They make the best doogh and cheese I've ever had. Literally better than Iran. I refuse to drink doogh that isn't Arvand. Most people out in the West Coast go for Arvand instead of garbage imports like Pegah. The thing with Arvand is that it's made in Canada so everything is fresh and the quality is great too.

But I'm stuck in Alberta for now so I can kind of share your pains.

Afra Bakery & Market - North Vancouver, BC | Yelp

I have tried both but it does not taste the same. Afra's sangak is what we used to call "Noone Mashini" in Iran. For some reason it doesn't taste the same as the traditional Iranian Sangak.

When was the last time you were in Iran? Have you ever tried Kaleh, Pegah or Roozaneh cheese?

 

[Abii]

I have not found it anywhere!

Just remembered something. Even our major grocery chains carry Barbari. I was shopping one time and went to get sliced bread and saw a single barbari sitting in the "ethnic" section. Read the back and it explained what barbari was and what you could eat it with. It even said it's from Iran lool. Some smart Canadian mofo is making ethnic breads from every country and selling it in grocery stores. Wasn't good though.

I have tried both but it does not taste the same. Afra's sangak is what we used to call "Noone Mashini" in Iran. For some reason it doesn't taste the same as the traditional Iranian Sangak.

When was the last time you were in Iran? Have you ever tried Kaleh, Pegah or Roozaneh cheese?

I was there in 07.

Pegah I've tried and hate everything they make, specially their doogh. Pegah's dooghs taste like grounded up chalk or drywall.

I might have tried Kaleh, but not sure. The other one isn't ringing a bell. I'm with Arvand all the way.

Are you getting fresh Afra Sangaks or those frozen packaged shit? The frozen ones are shitty. It probably does taste differently, but I've been out of Iran since I was 11 so it's all the same to me now.

 

[Arminkh]

Just remembered something. Even our major grocery chains carry Barbari. I was shopping one time and went to get sliced bread and saw a single barbari sitting in the "ethnic" section. Read the back and it explained what barbari was and what you could eat it with. It even said it's from Iran lool. Some smart Canadian mofo is making ethnic breads from every country and selling it in grocery stores. Wasn't good though.


I was there in 07.

Pegah I've tried and hate everything they make, specially their doogh. Pegah's dooghs taste like grounded up chalk or drywall.

I might have tried Kaleh, but not sure. The other one isn't ringing a bell. I'm with Arvand all the way.

Are you getting fresh Afra Sangaks or those frozen packaged shit? The frozen ones are shitty. It probably does taste differently, but I've been out of Iran since I was 11 so it's all the same to me now.

I have not tried this cheese. Will try it this time.

This was my favorite:
http://www.kalleh.com/Portals/2/amol16_big3.jpg

 

[Abii]

I have not tried this cheese. Will try it this time.

This was my favorite:
http://www.kalleh.com/Portals/2/amol16_big3.jpg

Haven't tried it. If you go for Arvand, be careful not to get the low fat or the low salt versions. They suck donkey dongs. So bad. The regular salty and fatty version is where it's at.

 

[haman10]

in this thread @Sinan says he has never argued with a farsi and he has never been in our section .

guess lying like a little beyatch is a part of the DNA

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[Nawaba]

 

[-SINAN-]

in this thread @Sinan says he has never argued with a farsi and he has never been in our section .

guess lying like a little beyatch is a part of the DNA

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