Iranian Chill Thread

[IRAN 1802]

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[Abii]

Agha ma laptop ro khamoosh karde boodim taghriban vasataye hayat boodam, yadam oftad inja az baro bachz khodahafezi nakrde boodam, ba tavajoh be inke laptop nemibaram, va osoulan ham I don't have the necessary guts to login on PDF dar oonja, banabarin goftam ye khodahafezi konam, bara inke masale kheyli ham tragic nashe ghol midam tarafye eyd norouz har ja basham online besham.
aghayoun rahi, haman, rmi5, abii, serpentin, kolang, daneshmand, iran 18.. , the silen.... , va others, kholase bebakhshid age nakhaste baes narahati shodam, va felan bye.

Khosh begzare.

 

[Daneshmand]

Grass root recruitment and money drives have always played a huge part in financing religious projects even till this day in South Asia. Yeah that is what I said British decided they need to buy out as many Imams as possible, which they did. Nah I disagree only Imams that were bought out did much for British but not all were bought out, just like not all Barelvi or Shia religious leaders were bought out.

Do you have some evidence for your claim that Hindus were prioritized? Afaik Muslims chose not to attend such schools and Sikhs preferred military roles.

Like I said deobandis were not thinking in terms of right away, they were thinking long term. If there was no partition today there would be close to 700 million Muslims in India compared to 850-900 million Hindus. Within another 25 years Muslims would become the majority, that is the moment they were thinking about. I mean even Hindus on this forum will agree that the deobandis did not prefer India out of some sort of thought of unity.

You are right they have not apologized and imo they should be executed in mass, but my opinions do not matter lol.

Nah Bhutto was not an Islamist, he did bring Pakistan closer to the Islamic role by organizing the OIC but that was for Pakistan's benefit and he kept things balanced overall. He had great relations with the Soviets who were godless lol and they actually started many Pakistani industries during his tenure like the steel mills. He also balanced relations with the US and pretty much checked India at the negotiating table at shimla. In fact one of his most famous quotes was, "yes I drink, but at least I do not drink people's blood". That was when he was asked about his fondness for alcohol.

Putting zia in charge was his way of trying to avoid being overthrown, Pakistani premiers long did these tactics. They would often skip over the next in line if they felt he was not controllable or "too ambitious", and put a junior officer into the chief position instead. Ironically many times this failed, it failed when Ayub Khan was promoted out of turn before Zia and it failed with Musharaff after Zia. Needless to say Pakistani leadership does not learn from its mistakes.

I think Pakistanis going to labor in the middle east was inevitable either way, India has more laborers than Pakistan in the middle east yet they are neutral in Arab affairs. This has more to do with the need for labor in those countries and the oil wealth to pay for it then anything else, South Asia is still poor. Had Iran not been under sanctions you would probably see a large South Asian workforce in Iran as well.

That was entirely the British's doing. They mastered the art of divide and conquer which they used to divide Muslims and Hindus. Anyway peace with India will come when India stops occupying Pakistan's kashmir.

The Saudis did not ask for it, also you forget the Libyans also financed much of the project yet they did not recieve anything as well. Zia was wahabbi but there is nothing to say he was takfiri, in fact during the Iran-Iraq war he supported Iran over Iraq. Also he was among the first to recognize the new Iranian government after the IR and called it an Islamic revival. That being said he played little part in the tech being given to Iran, that was largely AQ Khan's personal efforts.

Actually it makes it easier if they all merge into one so we can make it clear who our enemies are, many Pakistanis blame everyone from the US to India to Israel to the martians for their problems but an equally vocal amount of Pakistanis realize that the threat is largely from within. Even if any country has a part in financing such terror groups, the ones committing said crimes are still Pakistanis themselves. I think the time is not to far when the rest of the Pakistanis will realize this, how much more innocent blood will be spilled before that concerns me though.

My prioritization sense of it all comes from my holistic deduction of the history I have read. After all, Hindus had achieved even scientific stardom under British Raj and had produced noble prize winning physicists. Muslims and Sikh by comparison were nowhere to be seen. So my sense is that some degree of favor had been shown to them by the state at the time. By your other point that Muslims themselves were to be blamed for refusing to educate themselves, is ofcourse true, both then and even now. By the way, the greatest opposition to learning sciences was actually coming from Deobandis through their fatwas, who as you yourself admit had been bought by British Raj.

Thanks for your clarification of other points. As they say, one learns new things every day.

Agha ma laptop ro khamoosh karde boodim taghriban vasataye hayat boodam, yadam oftad inja az baro bachz khodahafezi nakrde boodam, ba tavajoh be inke laptop nemibaram, va osoulan ham I don't have the necessary guts to login on PDF dar oonja, banabarin goftam ye khodahafezi konam, bara inke masale kheyli ham tragic nashe ghol midam tarafye eyd norouz har ja basham online besham.
aghayoun rahi, haman, rmi5, abii, serpentin, kolang, daneshmand, iran 18.. , the silen.... , va others, kholase bebakhshid age nakhaste baes narahati shodam, va felan bye.

Eh, koja rafti, haji? Nakoneh rafti Koreh Shomali pisheh on pesareh kim joon keh nigeh nemitooni log in koni. Beh har hal khosh begzareh.

PS. Movazeb e akhlaqet bashia. Kim zod asabani misheh. Az ma goftan bood.

GD bye .....

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@Surenas

Where are you mate ? Come out and play....

 

[Azizam]

Well, we need to consider that religious non-muslims are not much different from muslims. remember what central african christians and Buddhist Burmese did to muslims. The big evil is religionofascism, not only islamofascism. Islamofascism has only achieved more attention because of more power they have, and locating in ME which makes every move of them to be broadcasted worldwide.

@Abii @Ostad
Are you guys online?

Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get a notification for your post.

Actually I disagree about Burma. The problem in Burma is more racial than religious. The persecuted group is not Burmese and they don't speak nor practice the Burmese culture. In those regions the religion is tightly knitted with ethnic groups and Muslims are considered as a separate race. I currently don't have any knowledge of Central African Republic so I don't know the nature of conflict there.

There was a time that I tried my best not to single out Muslims but the more I got to know about the world, harder it got to stop noticing that source 99.99% of religious conflicts in the world is islamofacism.

As for the religion, I see it as an outdated concept that people insist on preserving which makes it one of the greatest threats to human civilisation in the 21st century. Religion had its time and now it's no longer needed or at lesst should be limited tto personal lives of people.

What makes Islamofacism special is that it's not limited to one specific region, community or state. It's a worldwide problem and the bihhest source of terrorism around the world today. Self-segregating trend of Muslims will make it so much worse in coming days.

 

[rmi5]

Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get a notification for your post.

Actually I disagree about Burma. The problem in Burma is more racial than religious. The persecuted group is not Burmese and they don't speak nor practice the Burmese culture. In those regions the religion is tightly knitted with ethnic groups and Muslims are considered as a separate race. I currently don't have any knowledge of Central African Republic so I don't know the nature of conflict there.

There was a time that I tried my best not to single out Muslims but the more I got to know about the world, harder it got to stop noticing that source 99.99% of religious conflicts in the world is islamofacism.

As for the religion, I see it as an outdated concept that people insist on preserving which makes it one of the greatest threats to human civilisation in the 21st century. Religion had its time and now it's no longer needed or at lesst should be limited tto personal lives of people.

What makes Islamofacism special is that it's not limited to one specific region, community or state. It's a worldwide problem and the bihhest source of terrorism around the world today. Self-segregating trend of Muslims will make it so much worse in coming days.

In the central Africa, basically a group of christians, cut alive muslims body and started to eat them. Due to the ban on graphic stuff, I cannot post the link, but you can easily search the news which is for 1 year ago.
In azerbaijan-Armenia conflict, Armenians christians skinned alive a six years old girl, and one of Armenians proudly published it in a book called the things that I do for Jesus Christ.
Do you wanna tell me that these are not religious based?
The difference is that muslims have lower hand, and they are located in a strategic place filled with oils, so their crimes gets publicizes more easily.
Christianity is no better than islam at all. They slaved more people than muslims(If I remember correctly, they slaved 28 millions of Africans, and muslims slaved 26 millions of them), they killed enormous number of people for apostasy, or being women during witch hunting, ...
The difference are media being christian oriented and also many of christians living in industrialized countries, hence became modern and forgot about Christianity principles.

 

[Azizam]

In the central Africa, basically a group of christians, cut alive muslims body and started to eat them. Due to the ban on graphic stuff, I cannot post the link, but you can easily search the news which is for 1 year ago.
In azerbaijan-Armenia conflict, Armenians christians skinned alive a six years old girl, and one of Armenians proudly published it in a book called the things that I do for Jesus Christ.
Do you wanna tell me that these are not religious based?
The difference is that muslims have lower hand, and they are located in a strategic place filled with oils, so their crimes gets publicizes more easily.
Christianity is no better than islam at all. They slaved more people than muslims(If I remember correctly, they slaved 28 millions of Africans, and muslims slaved 26 millions of them), they killed enormous number of people for apostasy, or being women during witch hunting, ...
The difference are media being christian oriented and also many of christians living in industrialized countries, hence became modern and forgot about Christianity principles.

Other religions are violent but in comparison the threat is smaller.

Let's leave history for a while. Honestly I could care less about what Islam or Christianity has done in past. Tell me which country that has a religious community other than Muslims has ultra retarded laws like banning driving for women, telling grown men and women what to wear, what to eat and what to drink, executing individuals who choose to leave their faith, whipping people who eat or drink during a certain period of an year, publicly executing people etc. It's just extremely laughable and disappointing at the same time to see these things happening in the 21st century. Even recently you saw taliban killing their children of their own faith and country in the name of some mythological entity who might or might not exist. Despite all of this Muslims are not criticised in the way they deserve and you say that they should not be viewed differently.

 

[rmi5]

Other religions are violent but in comparison the threat is smaller.

Let's leave history for a while. Honestly I could care less about what Islam or Christianity has done in past. Tell me which country that has a religious community other than Muslims has ultra retarded laws like banning driving for women, telling grown men and women what to wear, what to eat and what to drink, executing individuals who choose to leave their faith, whipping people who eat or drink during a certain period of an year, publicly executing people etc. It's just extremely laughable and disappointing at the same time to see these things happening in the 21st century. Even recently you saw taliban killing their children of their own faith and country in the name of some mythological entity who might or might not exist. Despite all of this Muslims are not criticised in the way they deserve and you say that they should not be viewed differently.

I think you did not read my comment or maybe ignored it since you are a christian. both central african case, and armenian case are very recent. Do you remember one Syrian who ate heart of an assadist, and how it was broadcasted? central africans did a more horrifying crime against 100 persons, but it was not broadcasted. The reason? media coverage wants to show muslims as crazies not christians.
About christians, they do the same stuff. do you want me to mention the data about female genital mutilation for christian societies and compare it with neighbor muslim societies? or do you wanna make me mention the crazy stuff that Hindus, and christian do in South Asia, and how they lack basic hygiene, and how frequent they commit rape? Do you wanna make me mention about Christian West Africans in Liberia, ... which have not left any girl non-raped in their country as some researchers say?
obviously if you compare christians in Europe with muslims in South Asia, you would find a better situation, but, what if you compare an european muslim country like Azerbaijan, with 99.9% literacy rate with any non-1st world christian country? Then christians will fail on any social progress factor.
The point is about religious extremism, not only islam. Extremist muslims have more money and are more in focus of media camera, so they are more viewed.

 

[Azizam]

I think you did not read my comment or maybe ignored it since you are a christian. both central african case, and armenian case are very recent. Do you remember one Syrian who ate heart of an assadist, and how it was broadcasted? central africans did a more horrifying crime against 100 persons, but it was not broadcasted. The reason? media coverage wants to show muslims as crazies not christians.
About christians, they do the same stuff. do you want me to mention the data about female genital mutilation for christian societies and compare it with neighbor muslim societies? or do you wanna make me mention the crazy stuff that Hindus, and christian do in South Asia, and how they lack basic hygiene, and how frequent they commit rape? Do you wanna make me mention about Christian West Africans in Liberia, ... which have not left any girl non-raped in their country as some researchers say?
obviously if you compare christians in Europe with muslims in South Asia, you would find a better situation, but, what if you compare an european muslim country like Azerbaijan, with 99.9% literacy rate with any non-1st world christian country? Then christians will fail on any social progress factor.
The point is about religious extremism, not only islam. Extremist muslims have more money and are more in focus of media camera, so they are more viewed.

I don't believe in Christianity. I am agnostic. I said that I was born into Christian background but also a very secular one. By the way Christians in Sri Lanka don't have any hatred towards Muslims under any reason. In fact I was branded as racist or Islamophobe few times for speaking against ultra liberal attitude of some people.

Your argument is wrong. Sure I did watch some video posted in this site about the crimes of Central African Christian and it was disgusting and I condemn it. It's also true that the cases of that country are not shown on popular media. But at the same time there are many Muslim countries that stay off the radar too. For instance, do you know that m Maldives recently introduced a law that states only Sunni Muslims can be citizens of that country? Do you also know that many people lost their home due to it and there were cases of people committing suicide. Did jt make it to the popular media? No. Take a look at Burma and the media hype it created and then take a look at what happened to the Libyan christians after the revolution. It also did not make it to the news because it would go agaunst the interests of wester countries.

I didn't ignore Armenia. I just don't know enough about it to respond but I know that they have favourable opinionn towards Iran which is an Islamic republic. And also as I know Azerbaijan is not classified as a European country. Bosnia, Albania and Turkey are the only Muslim-majority European countries. Sure Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkey etc. are successful Muslim-majority countries but you should also keep in mind that they are secular countries. And by the way that being said you can't ignore the fair share of maniacs in those countries as well. Recently I saw a website dedicated for Azeri jihadists in ISIS. That also acts as evidence for the fact that even among muslims only a handful of incidents or countries that come to spotlight while the others are ignored. If we include all the non-popular crimes of islamists, the list would go even further.

 

[rmi5]

I don't believe in Christianity. I am agnostic. I said that I was born into Christian background but also a very secular one. By the way Christians in Sri Lanka don't have any hatred towards Muslims under any reason. In fact I was branded as racist or Islamophobe few times for speaking against ultra liberal attitude of some people.

Your argument is wrong. Sure I did watch some video posted in this site about the crimes of Central African Christian and it was disgusting and I condemn it. It's also true that the cases of that country are not shown on popular media. But at the same time there are many Muslim countries that stay off the radar too. For instance, do you know that m Maldives recently introduced a law that states only Sunni Muslims can be citizens of that country? Do you also know that many people lost their home due to it and there were cases of people committing suicide. Did jt make it to the popular media? No. Take a look at Burma and the media hype it created and then take a look at what happened to the Libyan christians after the revolution. It also did not make it to the news because it would go agaunst the interests of wester countries.

I didn't ignore Armenia. I just don't know enough about it to respond but I know that they have favourable opinionn towards Iran which is an Islamic republic. And also as I know Azerbaijan is not classified as a European country. Bosnia, Albania and Turkey are the only Muslim-majority European countries. Sure Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Turkey etc. are successful Muslim-majority countries but you should also keep in mind that they are secular countries. And by the way that being said you can't ignore the fair share of maniacs in those countries as well. Recently I saw a website dedicated for Azeri jihadists in ISIS. That also acts as evidence for the fact that even among muslims only a handful of incidents or countries that come to spotlight while the others are ignored. If we include all the non-popular crimes of islamists, the list would go even further.

Well unfortunately you don't have a healthy approach or open mind for a discussion. I am telling it to you in a friendly manner. Maybe it's because of your south Asian background, or something else, but. whatever it is, you could not read my comment without bias.

My point was exactly the fact that all countries are not equal in the media, and ME of course attracts much more attention than christian crime in Central Africa. Then you bring another example like Maldivs, in which was not against my argument.

About media bias against muslims, it is obvious as well. For example why should media care about Hindus, or Buddhists? oil, gas, other stuff are in muslim middle eastern lands, not in Hindustan, or thailand. The difference of coverage of news about ME compared to coverage of news about Africa, south Asia, ... is very clear for obvious reasons.

About Azerbaijan, she is located in caucasus and in europe as you can do a simple google search. Anyway, whether in Europe or not, my argument is correct, since Azerbaijan social progress as a muslim country, is decades or centuries ahead of the non 1st world christian majority countries, and even higher in some aspects, like literacy rate, ... even compared to some 1st world christian countries.

I did not see any argument in your post, and it was just a hate speech. If you don't have a healthy mentality for a discussion, don't quote my posts.

 

[Azizam]

Well unfortunately you don't have a healthy approach or open mind for a discussion. I am telling it to you in a friendly manner. Maybe it's because of your south Asian background, or something else, but. whatever it is, you could not read my comment without bias.

My point was exactly the fact that all countries are not equal in the media, and ME of course attracts much more attention than christian crime in Central Africa. Then you bring another example like Maldivs, in which was not against my argument.

About media bias against muslims, it is obvious as well. For example why should media care about Hindus, or Buddhists? oil, gas, other stuff are in muslim middle eastern lands, not in Hindustan, or thailand. The difference of coverage of news about ME compared to coverage of news about Africa, south Asia, ... is very clear for obvious reasons.

About Azerbaijan, she is located in caucasus and in europe as you can do a simple google search. Anyway, whether in Europe or not, my argument is correct, since Azerbaijan social progress as a muslim country, is decades or centuries ahead of the non 1st world christian majority countries, and even higher in some aspects, like literacy rate, ... even compared to some 1st world christian countries.

I did not see any argument in your post, and it was just a hate speech. If you don't have a healthy mentality for a discussion, don't quote my posts.

If you can't counter arguments pleas don't resort to personal attacks. One thing I noticed about most members on this forum is that once someone runs out of things, he/she starts taking on his/her opponent's origin which is quite funny.

I have no time for silly little arguments so I will stop here. Have a good day.

 

[Falcon29]

I did not see any argument in your post, and it was just a hate speech. If you don't have a healthy mentality for a discussion, don't quote my posts.

I agree, I had same problem with him. You made good points. But he was on a mission.

 

[rmi5]

I agree, I had same problem with him. You made good points. But he was on a mission.

Bro, I am also getting older, and lose the interest to discuss with kids who lack basic logical thinking abilities.
BTW, who is the beautiful lady in your avatar? future Mrs. Falcon?

 

[Falcon29]

Bro, I am also getting older, and lose the interest to discuss with kids who lack basic logical thinking abilities.
BTW, who is the beautiful lady in your avatar? future Mrs. Falcon?

I wish, she's taken.

 

[rmi5]

I wish, she's taken.

uhhh ... maybe she has a hotter sister? Don't lose your hopes bro.
BTW, what's her name?