Iranian border guards kill 6 Pakistanis

[K-Xeroid]

dont know if the same logic be applied to a similar issue on India-BD border

Bangladeshi buys cattle frm india and sell it in Bangladesh... While these smugglers buys cattles frm Pakistan and sell it to iran
thats why same logic can't be applied.. Different cases..

 

[Major Sam]

Well, It's not a one-sided problem. Many Arabs hate Iranians as well and they make racist comments too. so there's no way to say Iranians are racist when the Arabs are the same.
About thinking they're superior, well, it depends. Iranians in Malaysia are mostly going to Malaysia because either they feel they have no chance to get accepted in the Iranian university entrance exam in a good university or they just want to go outside of Iran and have fun. Some of them are ordinary Iranians and some of them are rich Iranians. I don't know much about them but Iranians living abroad are usually well-educated and rich and they like to dress well and have high aspirations. Most of these Iranians feel ashamed that their country is ruled by an Islamic regime and they like to disassociate themselves with Islam and it has tens of thousands of reasons why they think so. If they feel you're religious and you're so much into Shi3a-Sunni stuff or you care too much about Sharia or things like that they'll feel hesitating to make friends with you. If they find you're alike them, they'll surely make friends with you and will enjoy talking to you as well and can be very good friends with you but I can assure you that it has nothing to do with what Pakistanis think. It's not because they feel you're inferior or things like that. If we want to judge people by appearance, Indians too look pretty much alike Pakistanis but Iranians and Indians can make friends easily with each other. The problem of Iranians is mostly about religion, not about racist issues.

well most of part i agree with the mostly Iranian here are those who don't like their Govt. wanna njoy their life, in which they don't have any restrictions. like here are some places which also known as mini tehran and environment there is more libral then even europeans. but some iranian i found are really good who respect religion

 

[Windjammer]

Iran border shooting: Confusion arises over victims’ nationalities

Officials say the labourers were not from Gwadar.

The six people, gunned down by Iranian guards on Thursday, were allegedly labourers who belonged to bordering villages of either side of the border between Iran and Pakistan.
According to Deputy Commissioner Gwadar Abdul Rehman Dashti, it is yet to be ascertained whether the victims were Pakistani or Iranian nationals.
“The victims are not from Gwadar, since no family approached the local administration. Earlier, people approached us for the bodies of Pakistani fishermen and Iran also informed local administration,” he told The Express Tribune, adding: “But this time no one has come forward.”
He said that according to information through the locals, the victims are Pakistanis but Iranian officials have not informed them of any such incident.
According to local sources, the victims belonged to small villages of either side of the border. “Four of the victims were Iranian nationals, while two others were residents of Kastag, a village located in Pakistan, close to Iranian border,” sources said.
The bodies are kept in cold storage for legal formalities and are yet to be handed over to their relatives for burial.
The victims, said to be cattle dealers or labourers, were heading towards Chah Bahar when they were intercepted the Iranian guards and shot dead. According to reports from across the border, the security forces threw the victims’ bodies in the open.
Local police came and took away the bodies to a government hospital in Chah Bahar, reports said.
Iran had beefed up security along the Pakistan border after armed group Jundullah recently carried out a deadly attack on Iranian forces, killing at least four Iranian guards and injuring ten others.

Iran border shooting: Confusion arises over victims

 

[ThunderCat]

Can you explain to me why the American hikers were spared the wrath of Iranian bullets from the trigger-happy Iranian border guards? The fact of the matter here is that, being Pakistanis, and with perhaps darker skin, you guys consider us inferior to you. No way in HELL would you ever have killed those 6 men were they Americans.

Yes it's true many Iranians imagine themselves to be white skinned and related to Germans. But it's only imaginary. Most Iranians have the same skin tone as people from the middle east. Same is true for Turks despite they claim to be European.

 

[ThunderCat]

I don't agree with the nuking part since that would start world war 3 but I agree, Pakistan should not let Iran have nuclear weapons. I know some Pan-Islamist Pakistanis; especially Shias well argue against this, but ignore them. Pan-Islamists in Pakistan have the intelligence of a programmed computer since manufacturing .

 

[ThunderCat]

It is not just Indians and Pakistanis... I have seen many Afghans, Arabs and Iranians doing that too.. especially Iranians and Afghans.. I remember on Stormfront website... where many Iranians were desperately trying to link themselves with Whites, and in return they were dissed by every white person on that website.. If stormfront haven't deleted that thread.. let me find it... it was hilarious.. Afghans do the same thing too, ironically when half of them look like Chinese and other half look like Indians.

There's a lot of Iranians on stormfront posing as Europeans. I don't agree with the Afghan part. Afghans don't look Chinese but rather Mongol. Mongols have wider eyes and cheekbones compared to Chinese

 

[ThunderCat]

It is not just Indians and Pakistanis... I have seen many Afghans, Arabs and Iranians doing that too.. especially Iranians and Afghans.. I remember on Stormfront website... where many Iranians were desperately trying to link themselves with Whites, and in return they were dissed by every white person on that website.. If stormfront haven't deleted that thread.. let me find it... it was hilarious.. Afghans do the same thing too, ironically when half of them look like Chinese and other half look like Indians.

Since whe're on the subject I'd like to share an article written by Iranians :

iranian.com: Tahereh Aghdassifar, hairy women

I was in the third grade when it started. I remember being on the playground playing with a girl in my class. A boy walked up to us and asked me "Why do you have hair on your legs?"

At my tender age of eight I had no clue how to respond because I really didn't know. I thought about it for a minute and looked at the legs of the girl I was playing with, pasty and bare and all of a sudden it hit me:

I was different.

And from that day forward I was reminded of it every single moment the teacher's back was turned; it seems the children in my class felt the need to remind me on a regular basis that I was "hairy," "gross," a "werewolf," and a "woolly mammoth," or just "woolly" for those more informal moments. It would be easier to count the number of days I came home from school those years not sobbing. Each and every day I would beg my mother to let me shave my legs, and she would always tell me I was too young. "But mamaaaaaaaaan! You don't know how they tease meeee!"

Fast forward seven years: 6:00 A.M. and the alarm clock is ringing.

T-Minus 2.25 hours until school begins.

When I was in high school I woke up two hours early each morning for hair care - and not the kind on my head. I would drag myself out of bed and into the shower to shave my legs, my armpits and any other body parts with hair that ran the risk of being exposed. When I began middle school my mother finally allowed me to shave my legs; those three years my family went through at least $1,000 in band-aids, but by the time I reached high school I was a veteran.

I knew exactly how long I needed to shave each body part, how many hours I had until stubble began to appear and what hair removing creams worked best. I was a shaving, tweezing, waxing maniac. My eyebrows, arms, armpits, legs, bikini line and facial hair all fell victim to my daily violent hair-removing frenzies.

As time went on, it began to become a chore, not that it was ever pleasant to rip hair out of my flesh, mind you, but I did it because I felt like I had to in order to be normal, accepted; I didn't enjoy being an outcast in the elementary school caste system and I had no intentions of going back.

Eventually though I just grew weary of it. It was exhausting to shave everyday, to be paranoid about how much stubble would begin to show by the evening; it was painful to brush hot wax onto my arms and ruthlessly rip the hair out, and to my gentlemen readers, you have no idea what tedious work eyebrow shaping is, keeping them even by sitting on the bed with a magnifying mirror for hours plucking out stray hairs every single day.

The point is that, well ... it's pointless. That was my epiphany. There is no benefit to removing body hair, no hygienic reason to do it and honestly, there is no aesthetic reason to do it either - removing our body hair just makes us look like the ten year olds we were before puberty hit.

The fact is, yeah, we, as Persian women, do tend to have more body hair than our Caucasian counterparts, but that's no reason to remove it! Why does it seem like we're in a constant struggle to look like Caucasian women? I see too many Persians dyeing their hair blonde and zapping off their eyebrows with painful laser treatments. What for? Because one day a kid walked up to you in the third grade and asked why you had hair on your legs when the other girls didn't? Because it just seemed like the right thing to do? Since... all the other girls did it, right?

Every Persian woman I have encountered has been ashamed of their hair... and I can't scold them because I used to be the same, but eventually I figured out how bizarre the entire hair-removing idea is... and no, it's never too late to stop; despite the old wives' tales our khalehs spread when we were younger, your hair really doesn't grow back thicker or darker, it just seems that way the first week or two because it's stubble.

We are Persian women, we are dark, hairy and we are beautiful. We are different from Caucasians and that's okay!

I'm not here to convert anyone, I can only share my experiences, and I can say that I have not plucked my eyebrows, used hair removal cream on my upper lip, shaved my legs, feet or toes, waxed my arms or shaved my armpits in three and a half years. I have not removed any of my body hair in three and a half years.

And I have never been so happy, felt so beautiful and yes, so very proud to be Irooni.

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THE IRANIAN: Satire, speaking English, dAyi Hamid

Let me first give you my definition of racism before I get to the main issue. Meanwhile I might remember the point I want to make. Nowadays we are very quick in labelling people racist. I think we all have the right (or even a social duty) to criticize what we think is wrong.

Criticizing a DEED can't be called racism even if the target of the critics is someone from another country or religion or ethnic group. You're not a racist if you criticize individual Arabs for bribing football referees, for i=instance, but you're a racist if you hate them because they are simply Arabs. You might not like it that they try to change the name of the Persian Golf but their skin colour should not be an issue.

I used to think that Iranians living in Europe can not possibly have racist tendencies because we are victims of racism on a daily basis. zehi xiAl-e bAtel! The situation in Nordic countries and Germany is worse than in Switzerland, where I live, but we are still the subject oif racism much more than Iranians in America.

These experiences though have not changed our sentiments towards other nationalities. We are famous for our hospitality. We have a false respect for Americans and Europeans (for whatever reason), but we find it difficult to offer the same respect to Afghans, for example.

We don't mind the U.S. having atomic bombs, but when we hear that Pakistan is an atomic power the first thing that crosses our mind is why don't WE have the technology when EVEN "Pakis" and "Indians" have them. We treat our Afghan guests in Iran like the way the Swedes treat Iranians.

Now, deny it as much as you want but we look DOWN at Pakistanis, Indians, Afghans, Arabs, Turks, ... And that's not because of what they DO but for who they ARE, and I call that racism. Even if Aryans existed as a race and we were all their decedents, even if we were superior to all other nations, even if we had blue blood with yellow stripes running through our noble Persian vanes, what good would that bring the world?

Are we better human beings because we are Iranians? Then why do we treat foreigners like Swedes treat non-Europeans? If we are superior to other races, why do we make the same mistakes? Why do we look down at Pakistanis? Why do we belittle Arabs? Are these the symptoms of having pure Aryan blood? If our race makes us better human beings, then we have to prove it by treating foreigners better than other nations do.

Having said all that I must shamefully admit that I don't like Arabs. yeki biAd bezaneh tu sar-e man. I just can't help it. I role all my logic and stick it in my ear, I wash what I preach in holy water (coming right out of the nearest "AftAbeh") and eat it three times a day but it doesn't help. I don't like them. Kill me. It gets worse every time I read a history book and get to the part where Arabs invade Iran.

I try to calm myself by thinking that they ended tyranny in Iran, or that the Islamic civilization that came later owed a lot to Iranian scholars and artists. But damn it, it doesn't help. I start fantasizing what great service we could have brought to humanity if the Persian empire was not destroyed by Arabs, or what great scientific achievements we could have had if they hadn't brought us Islam, and ... Okay, I'm a racist, bite me.

I even tried to convince myself that what I feel is not racism, after all it's what they have DONE and per my own definition I'm not a racist. No, forget it, that doesn't work either. Deep Inside I know it's racism. I've heard many Europeans who are familiar with Iranian history, saying that they feel pity when they think of that part of the Iranian history, my feelings though are much stronger than a simple pity.

But hey, I know I'm not alone, at least one other Iranian feels the same and that is the current Iranian president. He calls them "vahSi" and he thanks God that after the Arab invasion we became ******* but not Arabs. I do feel guilty for thinking that way about an invasion that happened 14 centuries ago, but they don't let me forget it, you know. They tried it again 20 years ago.

In any case, Ferdosi wrote:

ze shir-e shotor khordan o susmAr
arab rA be jAyi residast kAr
ke tAj-e kiAn rA konad Arezu
tofu bAd bar charkh-e gardAn, tofu

Peeewwww... I feel much better now. So Ferdosi was a racist too. He didn't like Arabs either. A thousand years ago the greatest Iranian poet felt the same as I do today. Hmmmm... who am I kidding? No, that doesn't help either. Ferdosi wasn't a racist and he didn't dislike Arabs. To understand the meaning of these lines which are taken out of context and shoved down our throat for decades we have to analyse the cultural environment of that period.

The invasion was almost 400 years old but to my amazement the political situation was very similar to the one we have today. There were Islamists represented by Sultan Mahmud and nationalists represented by Ferdosi. He wasn't a racist, he was a nationalist. Nationalism is a dangerous thing though; it turns to fascism when it crosses the border, but Ferdosi never did.

Ferdosi praises kings of the past only out of his love for Iran. But he's not a fanatic monarchist either. After finishing the Shahnameh he goes to Sultan Mahmud and throws the book to his face and walks out. He was a nationalist. He loved Iran, and he wrote the greatest book in Iranian history to keep the Persian language and culture alive. But why did he say something like that about Arabs? Here is a quick review for those who are not familiar with the Shahnameh:

The Shahnameh begins with the first Iranian king Kiumars and ends with Yazdgerd. Almost every story starts with a description of the time and place or Ferdosi's views. Sometimes he gives his opinion in the first few lines and then starts telling the story. The above verses come from within a story and are not meant as Ferdosi's own opinion.

The story takes place in the time of the Sasanid king Yazdgerd. Omar sends his best fighter Saed Vaqqas to invade Iran. Yazdgerd orders Rostam to stop him at the border and defend Iran. Before Rostam departs, he writes a letter to his brother. It's a farewell letter and a kind of last testament. He talks about his fears. He's not afraid of losing his life, it's more a fear for Iran. He's afraid to lose the fight because thenIran would plung into a dark age.

Before the battle starts he sends a messenger to Saed Vaqqas with a letter that's more like psychological warfare. It was a last attempt to weaken the enemy's morale.

yeki nAmeh-i bar harir-e sepid
neveshtand por bim o chandi omid

Rostam praises Yazdgerd as the greatest king of all time and belittles Vaqqas. He tries to frighten him with the greatness of the king, to make him think that it's a useless war because Vaqqas is too insignificant to have the slightest chance of winning. And he curses him too. These two famous lines are a part of that.

"susmArkhor" is a simple "fohsh" from Rostam aimed at Saed Vaqqas. Again, these lines are not Ferdosi's personal views. And they are meant as kind of "trash talking" to unsettle the enemy at a time of war by a man who is worried about the future of his country. Ferdosi was NOT a racist. He did not dislike Arabs. He was a nationalist who loved his country.

Damn. I guess I have to keep Ferdosi out and find a poet I can recite when I'm swearing at Arabs. Besides, why do I stick to "susmArkhor" and make Ferdosi turn in his grave? There are much juicier swears than that.

Wait a minute, Ferdosi was a chauvinist too, wasn't he? He says women are only good enough to sit there and bear "ShirAn-e nar". Hmmm ... maybe I could use that in my chauvinist arguments. Or is that a misunderstanding too?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes it's true many Iranians imagine themselves to be white skinned and related to Germans. But it's only imaginary. Most Iranians have the same skin tone as people from the middle east. Same is true for Turks despite they claim to be European.

Those Stormfront Iranians might just be some minorities who hate the current Iranian government, most Iranians as far as i known are not some white wannabes.

 

[Omar1984]

I don't agree with the nuking part since that would start world war 3 but I agree, Pakistan should not let Iran have nuclear weapons. I know some Pan-Islamist Pakistanis; especially Shias well argue against this, but ignore them. Pan-Islamists in Pakistan have the intelligence of a programmed computer since manufacturing .

Iran is not as bad as Pakistan's other neighbors, India and Afghanistan but Afghanistan's future is unpredictable and depends what kind of regime governs Afghanistan.

This is just a case of mistaken identity. There are Baloch living on both sides of the Pak-Iran border. Its very difficult to tell who is Pakistani and who is Iranian.

 

[A1Kaid]

Please note, someone has decided to bump a thread from January...

 

[eik_pagall]

he's too late

 

[ThunderCat]

Please note, someone has decided to bump a thread from January...

I didn't know it was against the rules to reply 3 months into a thread....