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The point is having a viable Platform (Airframe & Engine) that will last a you a long time that you can upgrade over the years just like the F-15 & Su-27 has been upgraded over the years....

The development of a 70's era engine like the F100 engines adding minor design changes, a few sensors, a few material upgrades using nanotech and maybe even a 1 directional TVC will be sufficient for Iran! And the development of all the industries that go behind it will allow Iran to build better civilian engines for airliners....

In terms of Airframe, If you plan on building a strong viable airframe then designing it with reduced or no vertical surfaces, S shaped air intakes, Internal Weapons bay, pointy edged panels, and maybe even a more aerodynamically stable design because you have TVC.... to reduce it's RCS and drag is simple logic so is making it big enough to handle laser countermeasures in the future
And what makes the F-22 Airframe expensive is NOT it's design but rather the modern methods used in the construction of the Airframe using Ti casting
And again the development of all the infrastructure that goes behind it will allow Iran to develop better civilian passenger planes and various other civilian products

As for Sensor upgrades that is something that will naturally happen though time and from the looks of it Iran is heading towards that direction anyways.....

As for the Russian Su-Pak the easement in Russia is the need to develop a 6th gen fighters because they are confident in their current modern fighters ability to combat F-35's using their modern sensors & weapons and Americans don't have enough F-22's to pose much of a threat to Russia outside their own boarders and it's not like the Russians aren't constantly adding fighters to their fleet on a yearly bases (Feel free to take a good look at how many fighter they've actually added since 2008)
Also as soon as the Russians started building viable flying prototypes of the Su-Pak the Americans started the competition of their 6th Generation fighters so there is clear logic behind why they haven't pushed for the Mass production of the Su-Pak (Also the Su-Pak is a joint projects and joint projects take longer and just as the U.S. doesn't hand it's most advanced tech's to other countries the Russian's don't either)


Scientist don't stop thinking and conducting R&D not in America not in Europe or Russia or China or Iran! The main difference is that those countries have developed the infrastructure needed so when a good enough R&D project is ready for the next level they can push it through while we in Iran still haven't built that infrastructure and pushing for the development of an viable Airframe and Powerplant pushes Iran to develop that infrastructure and that infrastructure is far more important and far more valuable to the country than a particular fighter platform.

And the top 10 most technologically advanced countries in the world are also the same countries that have the top 10 best funded domestic defense industries in the world and they are also the same countries that have the top exports in the world & produce the best high tech civilian products because they know that advancements made in the defense industries trickles down to the civilian sector
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And the only country on that list who is NOT an advanced country is Saudi Arabia who doesn't have a viable defense industry and they are simply the largest importer of foreign weapons.

And if Iran want's to move away from it's dependency on Oil exports the BEST way to do that and produce better civilian products is by having a properly funded defense industry so the right infrastructure is built around it.

So properly funding your defense industry has NOTHING to do with an arms race!

Issue is you have no idea what iran is or is not doing! Iran’s defense industry is not an open book.

If Russia won’t field a new 5th gen fighter before 2030’s it’s unlikely iran will field one before 2035-2040’s when F-14’s have to be retired from service.

And again wishful thinking. You think iran’s sensor upgrades will just “magically” develop over time?

Tell me, how does Russia’s targeting pod technology on its jets compare to US or even israel? The answer will suprise you!

What targeting pod technology does Iran use? 1970’s based? What EW based technology does Iran use? What datalink systems does Iran use? What jamming technology does Iran use? Can a single Iranian aircraft even blind/jam a single modern Western Radar?

So what would be the point if 5th gen fighter jet was unveiled tommorrow, but had the avionics and sensors of a F-4? Even Kowsar avionics package is dated!

Iran has to get ALL the technologies needed to make a 5th gen fighter not just the airframe (which is relatively easy).
Right now whichever country that develops a mass production method for Graphene or something similar and keeps it's mass production method as a closely guarded secret will likely become one of the richest countries on the planet because that's the type of tech that will revolutionize everything from the type of Cars we drive to airplanes, computers, cellphones, weapons, satellites, batteries.... And if Iran develops it we can not only build the most advanced revolutionary products in the world but most of the major companies on the planet will line up to coproduce products with us because of it or trade the most sophisticated technologies on the planet for it!

Lol you think Iran could ever keep mass production of Graphene a secret? What do you think this is the 1500’s?

Iran cannot even finish simple construction projects on time or reduce lethal pollution levels in its capital city. This isn’t a “farhang” that is going to push the limits of civilization forward.

Even Nazi Germany couldn’t keep too many secrets in the 30’s & 40’s before the age of computers.

Furthermore, there are several countries and even wealthy companies that can throw way more money for r&d in 1 year then Iran spends in 20 years! So Iran leading in this field is highly unlikely.

Both US & China are working on quantum computers and using principle of quantum entanglement for next gen applications, Iran is very behind in this field.

Minerals and resources wise, Iran needs tens of billions of dollars in investment to become a exporter of key resources such as titanium. Again very behind in taking advantage of the resources available on their land.

Iran will likely spend the next half century playing catch up because of the backwards policies initiated in the 80’s and 90’s by the Islamic Republic which further continued the ineptitude of the last 300 years of Shah-ruled Persia.

This was Similar to backwards policies initiated by the Arab world for the better part of the last century. How ironic that the Middle East was the beacon of knowledge in antiquity and now is the symbolism of backwardness in the world.

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Issue is you have no idea what iran is or is not doing! Iran’s defense industry is not an open book.

If Russia won’t field a new 5th gen fighter before 2030’s it’s unlikely iran will field one before 2035-2040’s when F-14’s have to be retired from service.

And again wishful thinking. You think iran’s sensor upgrades will just “magically” develop over time?

Tell me, how does Russia’s targeting pod technology on its jets compare to US or even israel? The answer will suprise you!

What targeting pod technology does Iran use? 1970’s based? What EW based technology does Iran use? What datalink systems does Iran use? What jamming technology does Iran use? Can a single Iranian aircraft even blind/jam a single modern Western Radar?

So what would be the point if 5th gen fighter jet was unveiled tommorrow, but had the avionics and sensors of a F-4? Even Kowsar avionics package is dated!

Iran has to get ALL the technologies needed to make a 5th gen fighter not just the airframe (which is relatively easy).


Lol you think Iran could ever keep mass production of Graphene a secret? What do you think this is the 1500’s?

Iran cannot even finish simple construction projects on time or reduce lethal pollution levels in its capital city. This isn’t a “farhang” that is going to push the limits of civilization forward.

Even Nazi Germany couldn’t keep too many secrets in the 30’s & 40’s before the age of computers.

Furthermore, there are several countries and even wealthy companies that can throw way more money for r&d in 1 year then Iran spends in 20 years! So Iran leading in this field is highly unlikely.

Both US & China are working on quantum computers and using principle of quantum entanglement for next gen applications, Iran is very behind in this field.

Minerals and resources wise, Iran needs tens of billions of dollars in investment to become a exporter of key resources such as titanium. Again very behind in taking advantage of the resources available on their land.

Iran will likely spend the next half century playing catch up because of the backwards policies initiated in the 80’s and 90’s by the Islamic Republic which further continued the ineptitude of the last 300 years of Shah-ruled Persia.

This was Similar to backwards policies initiated by the Arab world for the better part of the last century. How ironic that the Middle East was the beacon of knowledge in antiquity and now is the symbolism of backwardness in the world.

Alas one must not get off topic.

What you call the Islamic Republics backward policies are the same policies that have made Iran "The Fastest Growing country in Science & Technology in the past 30 years"
Which was only possible due the Islamic Republic's policy of investment in it's Human infrastructure. And having an Educated workforce and slowly developing a skilled workforce is the very 1st step in industrial progress and no domestic progress in industry would have been possible without it!

And the growth in industrial progress Iran has made in the past 30 years despite sanctions is amazing! Now you wanna compare Iranian products with countries who have been producing Car's, Ships & Planes for 100 years and that is absurd but it most definitely is not a good reason not to start today!

And since the Pahlavi's were kicked out, Iran has had one progress after another we started producing our own cars, our own industrial equipment, our own composite materials, Nanotech, space program,.... all despite of sanctions that even ban the sale of raw materials to Iran

Now you think Iran should produce the Q-313 because Iran is a backwards country well that in it's self tells me all I need to know!

And the cost of producing an Airframe like the F-15 as appose to an Airframe like the J-20 wouldn't be much different.
And titanium is a vital strategic alloy that's NOT restricted to Aircraft's alone and it is a necessity for various industries country wide for various civilian industries and using the military to push for Ti mass production will allow Iran to improve on various domestically made products used in the country from the Oil industry to Medical to Paint to various industrial tools, chemical processing, naval industry, car industry, nuclear industry,..... So aircraft Airframes and other military equipment are simply one of the many products that will benefit.... And we are a long way away from meeting the various needs of our own country when it comes to Ti let alone exporting it!

As for Russia as I have said before the modern Russian fighters would have no trouble taking on U.S. F-35's
And before talking NONSESE take a good look at how many Russian Su-30's & Su-35's the Russian have actually added to their fleet in the past 5 years alone and how many they have added in the past decade!

And based on your absurd and absolutely ridicules logic since we can't produce a product that's as good as an American product then we shouldn't produce it at all and based on your logic we shouldn't produce our own Car's, TBM's, Ships, industrial equipment, composites, Tanks, Subs, Radars, UAV's..... Simply because the American version is better and at the same time you wanna complain that Iran is a backwards country! LOL! It's funny
 
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What you call the Islamic Republics backward policies are the same policies that have made Iran "The Fastest Growing country in Science & Technology in the past 30 years"
Which was only possible due the Islamic Republic's policy of investment in it's Human infrastructure. And having an Educated workforce and slowly developing a skilled workforce is the very 1st step in industrial progress and no domestic progress in industry would have been possible without it!

And the growth in industrial progress Iran has made in the past 30 years despite sanctions is amazing! Now you wanna compare Iranian products with countries who have been producing Car's, Ships & Planes for 100 years and that is absurd but it most definitely is not a good reason not to start today!

And since the Pahlavi's were kicked out, Iran has had one progress after another we started producing our own cars, our own industrial equipment, our own composite materials, Nanotech, space program,.... all despite of sanctions that even ban the sale of raw materials to Iran

Now you think Iran should produce the Q-313 because Iran is a backwards country well that in it's self tells me all I need to know!

And the cost of producing an Airframe like the F-15 as appose to an Airframe like the J-20 wouldn't be much different.
And titanium is a vital strategic alloy that's NOT restricted to Aircraft's alone and it is a necessity for various industries country wide for various civilian industries and using the military to push for Ti mass production will allow Iran to improve on various domestically made products used in the country from the Oil industry to Medical to Paint to various industrial tools, chemical processing, naval industry, car industry, nuclear industry,..... So aircraft Airframes and other military equipment are simply one of the many products that will benefit.... And we are a long way away from meeting the various needs of our own country when it comes to Ti let alone exporting it!

As for Russia as I have said before the modern Russian fighters would have no trouble taking on U.S. F-35's
And before talking NONSESE take a good look at how many Russian Su-30's & Su-35's the Russian have actually added to their fleet in the past 5 years alone and how many they have added in the past decade!

And based on your absurd and absolutely ridicules logic since we can't produce a product that's as good as an American product then we shouldn't produce it at all and based on your logic we shouldn't produce our own Car's, TBM's, Ships, industrial equipment, composites, Tanks, Subs, Radars, UAV's..... Simply because the American version is better and at the same time you wanna complain that Iran is a backwards country! LOL! It's funny

Either you are stupid or you intentionally misread my comments in order to further your agenda. I’ll let you decide.

First of all Iran would have become a beacon of knowledge IRREGARDLESS of what government came to power after the shah fell. Historically Iran has been a major center of learning dating back thousands of years!!

There are highly educated Iranians in various countries around the world and major companies/organizations including NASA/Lockheed Martin/Space X/etc. I guess they owe their knowledge to Islamic republic? Utter Nonsense!!

Iranians like Germans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese are typically intelligent hardworking race!

So again irregardless of what government came into power Iran would be a center of knowledge. Has this government promoted learning in last 20 years? Sure! Is this the most conducive government that can promote an technology renaissance driven Iran? Absolutely not! In fact it is holding Iran back from its true potential! Let’s not even address the Brain drain issue!

This government until the early 90’s banned foreign firms! Absurd policy! Most of Iran’s problems are caused by mismanagement and corruption rather than sanctions. The embargo has hurt Iran, but till 2010 Iran was free to promote and expand its economy with the rest of the world!

Who would have thought that pray 6 times a day and celebrating Imam anniversaries don’t make GDP go up?!

Iran shortly after the revolution was no different than the Sunni Extremist driven ideologies we see today! Iran’s promotion of terrorist attacks around the world during the 80’s and 90’s is costing Iran BILLIONS today in frozen assets that are being awarded by world courts to various entities. Even Shah era owned property is being consficated! All because of the short term nature thinking of those who had zero geopolitical experience. Hundreds of millions if not billions wasted on an inept Hamas!

Iran could have asked for ToT at ANYTIME during its relations with the world in the last 30 years yet incompetence and mismanagement of both energy sector AND non energy has caused the situation you see today! That is what happens in a FRACTURED Republic with many power brokers!

Even rahbar has mentioned this many times, but he doesn’t have the power to change the whole Republic from its roots without triggering a power broker war.

Example For how long was Iran burning off (flaring) gas during oil extraction because of antiquated oil technology? More money down the drains!

Turkey in the 90’s was a fractured country with ZERO energy resources yet by partnering with europe was able to transform its economy and get ToT in the process. They have surpassed Iran.

Iran was too busy feeding IRGC backed companies and even to this day IRGC does not want to see foreign companies in iran even if that means ToT. Why? because that means their monopoly is threatened!

They are happy keeping Iran’s economy from full potential because they make substantial wealth by both being the sanctions busters and by winning the most lucrative contracts.

The rest of your arguement is you purposely misrepresenting my comments. So I won’t address them.

I have advocated for Iranian advancement in avionics, radar absorbing skin, radar, etc to be able to truly build a 5th gen fighter. This requires serious effort that is simply underestimated by people. What is Iran’s most powerful airborne radar? The 1970’s era F-14 era? Sad!!

All you ramble about is “titanium” and “airframe” like a parrot. Truth is Iran’s engineers are much smarter than you and much.more experienced, so stop repeating the same thing in every thread. Iran has BILLIONS of tons of raw titanium that are available for extraction. If it’s not being extracted that’s the fault of the Republic!

I won’t even address your F-313 comment because I don’t care what comes of that project. I will give Iran the benefit of the doubt and will give them time.
 
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Like Iran, Russia cannot compete with US/China on a technological arms race

False! Russia cannot compete in QUANTITY vs Nato, of course not, its budget is limited
But technologically, it can, as a matter of fact, in many divisions its ahead of US/Nato
Show me an western tank with an unmanned turret like T-14
Show me an western sub so quiet like the upgraded russian Kilo class "black hole"

It’s new ICBM is to upgrade its DECADES old ICBM technology

so what? you dont have to reinvent the wheele.
Every missile is an "upgrade" of the german V2, right?

Notice 90% of what you mentioned is MISSILE based technology which is relatively cheaper than say upgrading an entire Navy or airforce.

cheaper + more effective!
russia dont have to build one ship to every nato ship, one plane to every nato plane.
1 missile can smash a navy ship worth 1000 times of the missile, so russia is more efficient.
More efficient does not mean it cant compete technologically against Nato, it just means russians are doing things with brain, nato is doing things to drain the taxpayer.
Who u think will survive in a fight -> few millon $ Bastion anti ship missile vs 4 bln $ Zumwalt class navy ship?

Russia is being backed into a corner by NATO/US and is thus relying on Hypersonic and advanced missile technology for nuclear deterrence.

Russia has much more than only missiles against Nato agressors
It’s Navy? Still Needs major modernization

Possible, but again, Russia is going the "cost/benefit relation" doctrine
It’s 5th gen fighter project? In shambles and a token order was placed for some fighters. India got burned by Russian tactics just like Iran did with shafagh project.

you heavily underestimate the PAK-FA project, russians already working on 6th gen fighter. there was an good article, russians just dont waste money, they dont need YET! hundreds of PAK-FA, its all about "cost/benefit"
they just test new subsystems on the PAK-FA which will be implemented in the 6th gen fighter in future.


It’s UAV based technology? Russia lacked a major consistent MALE UAV and had to buy technology From Israel and Iran to catch up.

it lacked because soviet/russia doctrine is different, they just dont needed UAV´s like the USA do.
there was no need for russia to bomb the shit out in other continents
But that changed, russia is now investing heaviliy in UAV´s, and its just a matter of time they will be ahead.
“Russia could carry the US back into stone age without going nuclear”

Lol you been watching to much Hollywood movies. Russia is no match for the US on toe to toe effort. It simply doesn’t have the war chest for that type of confrontation. It might be able to give NATO a good fight, but not both.

I wrote "if it necessary", what will the US do if all they satellites will be neutralized/jammed? There are many ways to humilate the enemey, no need to go nuclear imediatelly
 
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False! Russia cannot compete in QUANTITY vs Nato, of course not, its budget is limited
But technologically, it can, as a matter of fact, in many divisions its ahead of US/Nato
Show me an western tank with an unmanned turret like T-14
Show me an western sub so quiet like the upgraded russian Kilo class "black hole"

LOL! Are you kidding me? Russian doctrine is based on quality?

Russian aka Soviet Union doctrine has been BASED on QUANTITY for decades! Hence why Russia has thousands of T-72 tanks sitting in storage. Russian/soviet military doctrines was overloading the enemy with a lot of tanks even if they were inferior to their counterparts they would out number them.

T-14 is not a GameChanger at this point. Russia has lagged in tank quality against its German and American counterparts since WW2. US army has already put out a contract for next gen tank, so T-14 will have an adversary soon. That is if it even makes it to mass production.

so what? you dont have to reinvent the wheele.
Every missile is an "upgrade" of the german V2, right?

My point is the Hypersonic missile and ICBM are irrelevant as they are part of MAD doctrine and will never be used. If they are used, then Iran and the rest of the world will cease to exist as well as you are talking about a full on nuclear exchange with the two biggest nuclear superpowers.

cheaper + more effective!
russia dont have to build one ship to every nato ship, one plane to every nato plane.
1 missile can smash a navy ship worth 1000 times of the missile, so russia is more efficient.
More efficient does not mean it cant compete technologically against Nato, it just means russians are doing things with brain, nato is doing things to drain the taxpayer.
Who u think will survive in a fight -> few millon $ Bastion anti ship missile vs 4 bln $ Zumwalt class navy ship?

Seriously where do you pull these ridiculous numbers from.

A few million anti-ship missiles. This is a joke right?

First of all only 3 Zumwalts exist and they part of US Navy. I don’t know what the point of bringing this ship up. The Zumwalt has the RCS of a small fishing boat, so goodluck locating it. Not that it is ment to be a major game changer.

So basing your entire arguement on anti ship missiles vs a project with severe cost overruns is oversimplifying the weapons/Navy that NATO and US truly have.

Lastly Russia vs NATO would be fought by land not by sea because Russia is restricted by how it can reach major waterways. That leaves Russian navy exposed away from home.

You act like russia is the only country with anti ship missiles and cruise missiles. Again those missiles buy Russia defense/deterrence.

Possible, but again, Russia is going the "cost/benefit relation" doctrine

This doctrine doesn’t even exist. You just made it up. Putin announced a massive 100+billion modernization effort. Then they lost Ukraine and sanctions happened along with volatily of oil prices. It’s more like realities of situation than any actual change in doctrine. Russia still adheres to Soviet Union military tactics and doctrine.

you heavily underestimate the PAK-FA project, russians already working on 6th gen fighter. there was an good article, russians just dont waste money, they dont need YET! hundreds of PAK-FA, its all about "cost/benefit"
they just test new subsystems on the PAK-FA which will be implemented in the 6th gen fighter in future.

Lol the chief designer of Sukhoi is your source? Seriously? The outlet of propaganda? What is he supposed to say it sucks? It’s inferior to F-35?

So your telling me Russia spent 20 years building plane to test components for another gen plane coming in 15-20 years? Seriously who are you fooling?

Even India didn’t want the plane anymore because of the problems and that it wasn’t truly a 5th gen fighter. It had reduced RCS only at frontal angle. It wasn’t built as a full on stealth fighter as the F-22 was.

It just wasn’t impressive enough when the SU-35 exists at a cheaper price and is well established. That’s the simple truth.

And even if Russia builds a super duper “6th gen” fighter. Whose to say they can AFFORD it? Let’s say the plane costs 100M per unit, how many do you think they can afford?

The US took the F-35 program and had it subsidized by many countries and had certain countries produce certain parts to make it overall more cost effective. Not to mention the billions it will get from selling the planes to its allies. Russia won’t have that benefit. It will take the full brunt of r&d and production.

it lacked because soviet/russia doctrine is different, they just dont needed UAV´s like the USA do.
there was no need for russia to bomb the shit out in other continents
But that changed, russia is now investing heaviliy in UAV´s, and its just a matter of time they will be ahead.


I wrote "if it necessary", what will the US do if all they satellites will be neutralized/jammed? There are many ways to humilate the enemey, no need to go nuclear imediatelly

Here comes the flip flopping, on one hand Russia follows Soviet doctrine then on the other hand it follows “cost/benefit” doctrine. So which is it? It seems you don’t know the difference between the two because they are pretty different in terms of how they approach arms production.

The truth is Russia fell behind in certain areas and UAV technology was one of them. That got exposed in the Georgia war and sent Russia to the drawing board. After struggling on their own, they merely purchased UAVs From Israel (likely some ToT) and Iran.

Iran has had MALE UAV for nearly a decade and attack UAVs even longer. Last I checked, Iran wasn’t “bombing the shit out of other countries” during this time. The future is UAV and AI, Russia was late to the party.

If Russia disables GPS, US will disable GLONASS. So let’s not play the “what if” game. And Russia depends on GPS/GLONASS just as much as the US does.

The real fact is Russia is being backed into a corner without the US/NATO firing a single bullet.

Russia has NATO/US on its borders. Nuclear missiles aimed at it. Interceptor missiles on its borders. And sanctions are tightening the noose around Russia. Once EU finds other gas alternatives, Russia will lose even more leverage.

Putin is tied by the constitution in terms of max term limits. So unless he declares himself Czar he will have to leave the political front officially and work in the shadows.

Russia has lost Ukraine, just let that sink in For a moment. That would be the equivalent of Iran losing Tabriz and Iranian Azerbaijan to Azerbaijan and the West. If that were to happen you wouldn’t declare that Iran is on a roll now would you?

Russia has lost its soviet satellite states. It’s weakning. It can pound it’s chest and act tough but as you can see the US military is pivoting it’s military force to China.

China is the future threat to US global empire. Russia cannot compete economically or military wise with these two superpowers. Russia has no one to blame but itself.
 
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LOL! Are you kidding me? Russian doctrine is based on quality?

Russian aka Soviet Union doctrine has been BASED on QUANTITY for decades! Hence why Russia has thousands of T-72 tanks sitting in storage. Russian/soviet military doctrines was overloading the enemy with a lot of tanks even if they were inferior to their counterparts they would out number them.

T-14 is not a GameChanger at this point. Russia has lagged in tank quality against its German and American counterparts since WW2. US army has already put out a contract for next gen tank, so T-14 will have an adversary soon. That is if it even makes it to mass production.



My point is the Hypersonic missile and ICBM are irrelevant as they are part of MAD doctrine and will never be used. If they are used, then Iran and the rest of the world will cease to exist as well as you are talking about a full on nuclear exchange with the two biggest nuclear superpowers.



Seriously where do you pull these ridiculous numbers from.

A few million anti-ship missiles. This is a joke right?

First of all only 3 Zumwalts exist and they part of US Navy. I don’t know what the point of bringing this ship up. The Zumwalt has the RCS of a small fishing boat, so goodluck locating it. Not that it is ment to be a major game changer.

So basing your entire arguement on anti ship missiles vs a project with severe cost overruns is oversimplifying the weapons/Navy that NATO and US truly have.

Lastly Russia vs NATO would be fought by land not by sea because Russia is restricted by how it can reach major waterways. That leaves Russian navy exposed away from home.

You act like russia is the only country with anti ship missiles and cruise missiles. Again those missiles buy Russia defense/deterrence.



This doctrine doesn’t even exist. You just made it up. Putin announced a massive 100+billion modernization effort. Then they lost Ukraine and sanctions happened along with volatily of oil prices. It’s more like realities of situation than any actual change in doctrine. Russia still adheres to Soviet Union military tactics and doctrine.



Lol the chief designer of Sukhoi is your source? Seriously? The outlet of propaganda? What is he supposed to say it sucks? It’s inferior to F-35?

So your telling me Russia spent 20 years building plane to test components for another gen plane coming in 15-20 years? Seriously who are you fooling?

Even India didn’t want the plane anymore because of the problems and that it wasn’t truly a 5th gen fighter. It had reduced RCS only at frontal angle. It wasn’t built as a full on stealth fighter as the F-22 was.

It just wasn’t impressive enough when the SU-35 exists at a cheaper price and is well established. That’s the simple truth.

And even if Russia builds a super duper “6th gen” fighter. Whose to say they can AFFORD it? Let’s say the plane costs 100M per unit, how many do you think they can afford?

The US took the F-35 program and had it subsidized by many countries and had certain countries produce certain parts to make it overall more cost effective. Not to mention the billions it will get from selling the planes to its allies. Russia won’t have that benefit. It will take the full brunt of r&d and production.



Here comes the flip flopping, on one hand Russia follows Soviet doctrine then on the other hand it follows “cost/benefit” doctrine. So which is it? It seems you don’t know the difference between the two because they are pretty different in terms of how they approach arms production.

The truth is Russia fell behind in certain areas and UAV technology was one of them. That got exposed in the Georgia war and sent Russia to the drawing board. After struggling on their own, they merely purchased UAVs From Israel (likely some ToT) and Iran.

Iran has had MALE UAV for nearly a decade and attack UAVs even longer. Last I checked, Iran wasn’t “bombing the shit out of other countries” during this time. The future is UAV and AI, Russia was late to the party.

If Russia disables GPS, US will disable GLONASS. So let’s not play the “what if” game. And Russia depends on GPS/GLONASS just as much as the US does.

The real fact is Russia is being backed into a corner without the US/NATO firing a single bullet.

Russia has NATO/US on its borders. Nuclear missiles aimed at it. Interceptor missiles on its borders. And sanctions are tightening the noose around Russia. Once EU finds other gas alternatives, Russia will lose even more leverage.

Putin is tied by the constitution in terms of max term limits. So unless he declares himself Czar he will have to leave the political front officially and work in the shadows.

Russia has lost Ukraine, just let that sink in For a moment. That would be the equivalent of Iran losing Tabriz and Iranian Azerbaijan to Azerbaijan and the West. If that were to happen you wouldn’t declare that Iran is on a roll now would you?

Russia has lost its soviet satellite states. It’s weakning. It can pound it’s chest and act tough but as you can see the US military is pivoting it’s military force to China.

China is the future threat to US global empire. Russia cannot compete economically or military wise with these two superpowers. Russia has no one to blame but itself.
Explain to me these figures please

GDP (PPP) 2018 estimate
• Total
$4.180 trillion[9] (6th)
• Per capita
$29,032[9] (49th)
GDP (nominal) 2018 estimate
• Total
$1.576 trillion[9] (12th)
• Per capita
$10,950[9] (67th)

While China

GDP (PPP) 2018 estimate
• Total
$25.238 trillion[16](1st)
• Per capita
$18,066[16] (79th)
GDP (nominal) 2018 estimate
• Total
$14.092 trillion[16](2nd)
• Per capita
$10,087[16] (71st)
Putin try to appease the Russians otherwise he can afford around 100 billion budget also i think he try to appease the Europeans by no scaring them what do you think
 
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Both US & China are working on quantum computers and using principle of quantum entanglement for next gen applications, Iran is very behind in this field.
What is Iran's current status in quantum entanglement or other quantum researches? Can you please share with us?
 
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What is Iran's current status in quantum entanglement or other quantum researches? Can you please share with us?

It’s primarily at the university level. It shows promise, but more needs to be done.


Here is a video of iran achieving secured quantum communications in a laboratory. Again as we said preliminary stuff.

Then the question becomes how seriously does military take it? After all the university level can only take it so far without proper funding.

Military is typically much further ahead than Public sector. So if we look at where the major tech companies (ex Google) we can see they already testing prototype quantum computers at 72 qubits. IBM and Intel have also test their own 50 and 49 qubit prototypes.

https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-sci-tech/83083/new-quantum-computer-undergoing-trials

So if public sector has researched this point, where do you think US military sector is at? Or Chinese military sector?

The real question is can Iran produce quantum chips? As we know Iran is not ideally positioned in the field of microprocessors and chip production.
 
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It’s primarily at the university level. It shows promise, but more needs to be done.


Here is a video of iran achieving secured quantum communications in a laboratory. Again as we said preliminary stuff.

Then the question becomes how seriously does military take it? After all the university level can only take it so far without proper funding.

Military is typically much further ahead than Public sector. So if we look at where the major tech companies (ex Google) we can see they already testing prototype quantum computers at 72 qubits. IBM and Intel have also test their own 50 and 49 qubit prototypes.

https://financialtribune.com/articles/economy-sci-tech/83083/new-quantum-computer-undergoing-trials

So if public sector has researched this point, where do you think US military sector is at? Or Chinese military sector?

The real question is can Iran produce quantum chips? As we know Iran is not ideally positioned in the field of microprocessors and chip production.

We are here in the field of quantum technology

 
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Either you are stupid or you intentionally misread my comments in order to further your agenda. I’ll let you decide.

First of all Iran would have become a beacon of knowledge IRREGARDLESS of what government came to power after the shah fell. Historically Iran has been a major center of learning dating back thousands of years!!

There are highly educated Iranians in various countries around the world and major companies/organizations including NASA/Lockheed Martin/Space X/etc. I guess they owe their knowledge to Islamic republic? Utter Nonsense!!

Iranians like Germans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese are typically intelligent hardworking race!

So again irregardless of what government came into power Iran would be a center of knowledge. Has this government promoted learning in last 20 years? Sure! Is this the most conducive government that can promote an technology renaissance driven Iran? Absolutely not! In fact it is holding Iran back from its true potential! Let’s not even address the Brain drain issue!

This government until the early 90’s banned foreign firms! Absurd policy! Most of Iran’s problems are caused by mismanagement and corruption rather than sanctions. The embargo has hurt Iran, but till 2010 Iran was free to promote and expand its economy with the rest of the world!

Who would have thought that pray 6 times a day and celebrating Imam anniversaries don’t make GDP go up?!

Iran shortly after the revolution was no different than the Sunni Extremist driven ideologies we see today! Iran’s promotion of terrorist attacks around the world during the 80’s and 90’s is costing Iran BILLIONS today in frozen assets that are being awarded by world courts to various entities. Even Shah era owned property is being consficated! All because of the short term nature thinking of those who had zero geopolitical experience. Hundreds of millions if not billions wasted on an inept Hamas!

Iran could have asked for ToT at ANYTIME during its relations with the world in the last 30 years yet incompetence and mismanagement of both energy sector AND non energy has caused the situation you see today! That is what happens in a FRACTURED Republic with many power brokers!

Even rahbar has mentioned this many times, but he doesn’t have the power to change the whole Republic from its roots without triggering a power broker war.

Example For how long was Iran burning off (flaring) gas during oil extraction because of antiquated oil technology? More money down the drains!

Turkey in the 90’s was a fractured country with ZERO energy resources yet by partnering with europe was able to transform its economy and get ToT in the process. They have surpassed Iran.

Iran was too busy feeding IRGC backed companies and even to this day IRGC does not want to see foreign companies in iran even if that means ToT. Why? because that means their monopoly is threatened!

They are happy keeping Iran’s economy from full potential because they make substantial wealth by both being the sanctions busters and by winning the most lucrative contracts.

The rest of your arguement is you purposely misrepresenting my comments. So I won’t address them.

I have advocated for Iranian advancement in avionics, radar absorbing skin, radar, etc to be able to truly build a 5th gen fighter. This requires serious effort that is simply underestimated by people. What is Iran’s most powerful airborne radar? The 1970’s era F-14 era? Sad!!

All you ramble about is “titanium” and “airframe” like a parrot. Truth is Iran’s engineers are much smarter than you and much.more experienced, so stop repeating the same thing in every thread. Iran has BILLIONS of tons of raw titanium that are available for extraction. If it’s not being extracted that’s the fault of the Republic!

I won’t even address your F-313 comment because I don’t care what comes of that project. I will give Iran the benefit of the doubt and will give them time.


Yea a country that had only 16 Universities in a country larger than UK, France, Germany & Italy combined was somehow magically keen to become the fastest growing country in Science and Technology!!!!

Iran wasn't headed anywhere during the previous regime and outside of a few cities there just wasn't enough elementary schools, middle schools, high schools and universities hell even in Tehran there weren't enough schools so much so that the government started transforming houses to schools and allowed for the vast expansion of relatively low cost privet schools to meet the countries needs

And you think we were somehow going to magically become the fastest growing country in science and technology simply because there were a few Iranians being educated in the west? As if Iranians were the ONLY foreigners being educated in the west! If Iranians were the ONLY foreigners in NASA you may of had a point but they most definitely are NOT!

And Iran was so far behind in terms of industry that if the government had not banned some foreign companies and charged 300% tax on imported cars to help grow our own domestic industries today we wouldn't be able to produce our own cars and if they hadn't taken such drastic measures we wouldn't of been able to produce all the various products we are capable of producing today!

The growth you see in Turkey is 1st off due to Tourism Industry, Music & Entertainment industry,... AND lack of foreign imposed SANCTIONS which allows them to send Sat like TurkSAT into space, buy Aircrafts for their Airliners, small business partnerships with foreign companies, participate in the world trade organization ....
And since they had no oil they really didn't have a choice

And a lot of it has to do with having a healthy Tourism industry because rich foreigners come, see a product that they are fascinated with or see a country that they'd like visiting on a regular bases that has unused potential that they can exploit and make money out of..….
 
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We are here in the field of quantum technology

Iranian quantum researches has already passed lab test barrier and could successfully make the distanced particle to entangle! meters away from its twin particle... 80 Iranian scientists are now working on entanglement tests for distances of 7 kms this year and 15 kms next year.

and let us not forget that even most advanced nations in new technologies like UK, Germany or France just recently (2013-2015) started to work on this field.. For now, China is ahead as they have tested it for 700 kms..

Most of current global leaders in science, tech and military are those nations who were present in the race for tech and research back in 19th and 20th centuries. Back then, Iran was absent and was busy recovering from a series of unfortunate internal and international disasters.

But this time, Iranian authorities and the Supreme leader personally, reacted quick. This is why, Iran started to focus on new and future science and techs (Nano, biophysics, biochemistry, quantum, stem cells, AI, multi-disciplinary fields, new materials, plasma, etc) alongside keeping an emphasis on major feeding fields like engineering, mathematics, Information systems, composites, etc). This is why ,this time, future of Iran is promising... Some would say, not all Iranian research papers listed in rankings are high quality papers... Yes, many students are doing it to have a better C.V... but let's not forget that papers in complex sciences are very legit generally... These fields are so complex that only high IQ nerds are after studying in them..

Another thing is that, although comparing to other pioneers in new sciences Iran spends much less but it is a direct result of current financial situation in Iran. Sanctions... Economic mismanagement... politically oriented minds... thieves who accumulate money to spend it on next elections! Especially when reformist governments are in power.. u know they are proved to be a relaxed, laid back, incompetent party type who does not want to risk and advent for a better future.. If it was up to them, they would be happy to surrender to US and Israel and just sell oil and have happy life with petrodollars.. like Saudis... but thanks God, although they can hinder Iranian progress to some scale but still are not the whole force in Iran... There are angel forces as well...!!

At the same time, one billion dollars spent on research in Iran could be equal to 10 billions of international dollars in other industrial nations. Iranian scientists learnt how to keep expenses very minimal.. This in addition to higher purchasing power of every dollar in Iran helped new sciences to progress fast in Iran..

In addition to formal amounts of investment on research we have unofficial research spending that is not listed anywhere.. Imagine how many billion of dollars IRGC alone spent on her numerous strategic researches... Imagine how much research is being done by thousands of privately- owned high tech start ups and manufacturers...

This is why with little budget that government allocated to hundreds of different research centers we still see rapid progress in new sciences..

It is not enough for sure... but things are on the right track... We have thousands of high techs and start ups... Most of these will stay small...but I,m sure there will be many successful brands with enough income to be able to have their own research investments... couple of years ago, most of private high techs were small start ups who were desperately after having small orders for their products... But today, we have many successful high tech firms already... Some of them are nearing the billion dollar threshold.. So, naturally, we would see at least a bunch of knowledge based companies who grow enough to have extra money to spend it on new serious research..

The sanctions was a hit to this process... But I,m sure, Iran will shine one again and very soon.. Actually a scientifically advanced and pioneer Muslim Iran is what the WEST is fearing the most... If it is done then, their whole destiny will be changed... Muslims will find a true role model to follow...and this is an existential threat for Western powers...
 
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