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Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am not saying that Pashtun are Semites. Read my post again. I said that I have met Pashtuns on this forum who have claimed that while I spoke with them. Of course Pashtuns have nothing to do with the Middle East or Semites apart from a small admixture here and there. Pashtuns are mainly of Central Asian Indo-Iranian nomadic ancestry and from South East Asia. Some claim that tribes such as Ghilzai are Turkic too.

I could show you posts where I discussed that with Pashtun members here but that would be rather pointless.

The Wikipedia link should be sufficient to say that SOME indeed make such claims. I never said that I agreed with that theory in the first place.

I understood your post the first time, my point was that mythical stories of descent originated after Islam's arrival in the Sub-Continent. The lost tribes of Israel happens to be one of those theories. People felt the desire to be closer to their new religion by linking themselves with Prophets, that's also the reason some individuals claim descent from Prophet Muhammad. In fact, it's not just Pashtuns, but a wide variety of ethnic groups have often been considered their descendants according to this theory. That includes Ehtiopian Jews, Kashmiris, Scythians, & even Anglo-Saxons according to some claims.

We both know that none of those claims are true. Historical, genetic, & linguistic evidence has never pointed us to such an origin for these ethnic groups, & the story of the lost tribes is still quite recent in my homeland. I can even post genetic studies, some of which have been conducted in Pakistan to prove my point.

Speaking of the 10 lost tribes, many people consider them to have returned in small amounts to the land of Canaan after King Cyrus freed them from Babylonian captivity. Some say that Iranian Jews may share some ancestry with them, & the vast majority would have perished making the House of Judah dominant. Regardless of what happened to the lost tribes, all the major ethnic groups in Pakistan have an Indo-Iranian & Indo-Aryan origin apart from a few that I believe lay claim to the Harappan civilization. Genetic, linguistic, & cultural evidence confirms this.

As far as claims of anti-Semitism go, in modern times the term anti-Semite as far as I know is generally considered to be synonymous to anti-Zionist. It doesn't apply to every Semitic nation obviously.

If you are interested, refer to this study below.

GENETIC DIVERSITY IN PAKISTANI POPULATIONS

Abstract

The human leukocyte antigen (HLA) system, present on chromosome 6 is one of the most extensively studied regions of the human genome. The most striking feature of the HLA system is the extreme polymorphism found at some of its loci. This characteristic of the HLA system has made it an invaluable tool for population genetics analyses. Different populations exhibit characteristic allele and haplotype frequencies, which provide information about their history, migration patterns, evolution, genetics, disease susceptibility and resistance. In this study the genetic polymorphism of seven Pakistani ethnic groups was investigated at the HLA-A, -B, -C, -DRB and DQB1 loci using polymerase chain reaction with sequence specific primers (PCR-SSP). The groups included in this study are the Baloch, Brahui, Sindhi and Parsi from the south and the Burusho, Kalash and Pathan from the north of Pakistan. The allele frequencies, three-locus haplotype frequencies for HLA-A, -C, -B and HLA-A, -B, -DRBl and two locus haplotype frequencies for HLA-A, -B, HLA-B, -C, HLA-B, -DRBl and HLA-DRBl, -DQBl along with linkage disequilibrium, relative linkage disequilibrium and their significance (p-value as determined by -l-test) were calculated. Neighbor joining trees based on allele frequencies were constructed and correspondence analysis was carried out. Variation in the allele and haplotype distribution between the seven Pakistani ethnic groups was observed. A phylogenetic tree and correspondence analysis based on HLA- A, -B, -C, -DRBl and -DQBl allele frequencies revealed the Kalash and Parsi populations to be distinct from each other and the remaining Pakistani populations. The Baloch and Brahui were closely related to one another. The Sindhi were closer to the Pathan and Burusho populations than to the neighboring Baloch and Brahui populations indicating admixture between the northern and southern populations of Pakistan. The three- and two- locus haplotypes reveal a large amount of admixture in the Pakistani populations. The haplotypes found in the Pakistani populations suggest an influence of Caucasian and Oriental populations. A phylogenetic tree and correspondence analysis comparing the Pakistani populations to various other world populations (HLA- A, -B and -C allele frequency data from the 11th and 12th International Histocompatibility Workshops) showed that the Pakistani ethnic groups, with the exception of the Parsi, lie within the cluster of the European and Asian Indian populations. The Parsi populations show a striking affinity to the Iraqi Jews, which is in accordance with historical records placing the origin of the Parsi in ancient Persia. These results not only help in studying the origins of the various Pakistani populations but also provide a background for a variety of applications including tissue typing and HLA and disease association studies in Pakistan.

It points to the ancient Indo-European or should I say Indo-Iranian & Indo-Aryan origins of Pakistani populations alongside some admixture.

 

[Desert Fox]

Eh, the Arab world had more major towns than anywhere in Europe. The most developed area in Europe was Al-Andalus which was under Arab rule. That is not a accurate map.

Besides you are not a European. Their culture is much younger than any Middle Eastern one anyway.

Still it seems that there are no Pashtun accomplishment. Try to post your own accomplishments and not those of Europeans if you wan to play the game.

World UNESCO Heritage Sites such as those below. Many of which are over 2000 years old. Yemen is one of the oldest civilization in the world. The ancient Greeks and Romans called it Felix Arabia. Happy Arabia. Know when you talk about Europeans.



yemen by Retlaw Snellac, on Flickr



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traditional yemeni house in al hajjarah, mountain haraz, yemen by anthony pappone photographer, on Flickr



Yemen Felletti 33_00 by alfredo_felletti, on Flickr


yemen - sana'a by Retlaw Snellac, on Flickr


mountain village with traditional houses Yemeni-burra mountain-yemen by anthony pappone photographer, on Flickr


The Treasury at Petra, J

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterpeers/3287595512/]
Shibam - Yemen by peterpeers - home alone, on Flickr


yemen-old sana'a city-اليمن-صنعاء by anthony pappone photographer, on Flickr

I just saw so much European (Roman) and Persian (read Iranian) influence in the architecture.

Lol.


BTW Arab, the Romans created Cement, a necessary building material even to this day.

What did you invent???

PS, don't quote any Muslim scholar of Persian ancestry, since that does not count as Arab.

 

[al-Hasani]

First tell me Arab genius:

What the hell is a "Nazi"????

The National Socialist Deutchland Arbitrar Partei (NSDAP) or in English National Socialist German Workers Party, not even once, referred to itself as "Nazi" party or its members "Nazis".

If anything, the Word "Nazi" has more to do with Semites/Jews, as in "AshkeNAZI" Jews. That could be the possible origins of the word, and not the NSDAP or Hitler.

Hitler and the NS, aka, NSDAP never referred to themselves as "Nazis". They always called themselves "National Socialist", in other words; Nationalists and Socialists.

Secondly, you should be thanking the "Nazis" (as you call them) for computers, green technology, missiles technology, breakthroughs in so many scientific, technological, and medical fields.

At least they contributed to society, unlike certain desert dwellers who need the White man to guide them through the darkness every step of the way.

The atrocities are debate able.

And trust me, you don't want to get into that debate with me because WW2 and related subjects i know more than your ignorant self. Don't let me embarrass you more.

Neo-Nazis. Whetever. I don't care about WW2. Why should I? I am not a wannabe white European let alone a citizen of any Western country.

I just told you that Neo-Nazis or whatever you wan to call them use Heil Hitler despite Hitler being dead for well over 68 years.

Anyway can you tell me about the Pashtun accomplishments? Still not told anything. I am actually curious. Is that why you have adopted Western culture in such a clear way? That you know look down upon your likes?

You talked about "civilized". What do you think about the regular Pashtun village then?

I just saw so much European (Roman) and Persian (read Iranian) influence in the architecture.

Lol.


BTW Arab, the Romans created Cement, a necessary building material even to this day.

What did you invent???

PS, don't quote any Muslim scholar of Persian ancestry, since that does not count as Arab.

LOL. Are you dumb? That is tradtional Yemeni architecture found nowhere in the world besides Southwestern KSA. No such presence did exist.

Well basically 90% of all clerics were Arab and those who were not were either Arabized or under Arab influence and wrote in Arabic since that was a language of science. Ever heard about Bayt al-Hikma? The biggest library in the ancient world?

Ever heard about Prophet Muhammad (saws), the Sahabah, all of the first Arab Caliphs that ruled as Caliphs for the first 900 years of Islamic history? 3 of the 4 main Sunni Imams? Maliki, Shafi'i and ibn Hanbal?

Also why are you again talking about Europeans? You are not a a European but a Pashtun. Why don't you tell me about your achievements? I have asked you 5 times in a row with no answers.

Arabs ruled many parts of Europe for centuries and even had European slaves. What about Pashtuns?

 

[A1Kaid]

Eh, the Arab world had more major towns than anywhere in Europe. The most developed area in Europe was Al-Andalus which was under Arab rule. That is not a accurate map. Baghdad was the biggest city in the world and had the biggest library in the world that the Mongols burned down when Baghdad was sacked in 1258. Bayt al-Hikma.

Besides you are not a European. Their culture is much younger than any Middle Eastern one anyway.

Still it seems that there are no Pashtun accomplishment. Try to post your own accomplishments and not those of Europeans if you wan to play the game.

World UNESCO Heritage Sites such as those below. Many of which are over 2000 years old. Yemen is one of the oldest civilization in the world. The ancient Greeks and Romans called it Felix Arabia. Happy Arabia. Know when you talk about Europeans.



yemen by Retlaw Snellac, on Flickr



[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronnyreportage/6308508783/]
traditional yemeni house in al hajjarah, mountain haraz, yemen by anthony pappone photographer, on Flickr



Yemen Felletti 33_00 by alfredo_felletti, on Flickr


yemen - sana'a by Retlaw Snellac, on Flickr


mountain village with traditional houses Yemeni-burra mountain-yemen by anthony pappone photographer, on Flickr


The Treasury at Petra, J

[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterpeers/3287595512/]
Shibam - Yemen by peterpeers - home alone, on Flickr


yemen-old sana'a city-اليمن-صنعاء by anthony pappone photographer, on Flickr

Sadly Sana'a still looks like that in 2013 as it did hundreds of years ago. Although it does have an ancient beauty and charm, which is nice.


Sana'a 2012 photo

Photographer: Leandro Badalotti
Source: Old City, Sana’a, Yemen, 2012 | Leandro Badalotti : Visual Storytelling

(No Commercial Use of Photo)

Sana'a lacks proper urban planning, crowded buildings, bad street alignment, no grid design whatsoever, and obviously the shoddy construction and low quality building materials. These are not sufficient buildings to live in for 2013 c.e. No offense just stating from an urban planning perspective.

 

[al-Hasani]

Sadly Sana'a still looks like that in 2013 as it did hundreds of years ago. Although it does have an ancient beauty and charm, which is nice.


Sana'a 2012 photo

Photographer: Leandro Badalotti
Source: Old City, Sana’a, Yemen, 2012 | Leandro Badalotti : Visual Storytelling

(No Commercial Use of Photo)

Sana'a is located 2250 meters above sea level. It is one of the most ancient cities in the world. It is a WORLD UNESCO Heritage Site. The old town is one of the best kept old towns in the world.

No European city aside from Athens or Rome has such a old history or heritage. Their old towns are much smaller though and much younger. Only a few remains in both cities are over 1000 years old.

Besides the only significant ancient cultures in Europe were the Romans and Greeks. And they were both influenced by the Semitic Phoenicians who colonized much of Europe. Many Greeks and Romans also had ancestry to the Middle East.

Etruscans (people that predated the Romans in Italy) are thought to be descendants of ancient Middle Eastern farmers since farming took place in the current day Arab world first and then spread to Europe through the Balkans.

They lived in Tuscany and today many Tuscans have Middle Eastern/Semitic genes. Modern genetics confirm this. For example the amount of Haplogroup J-1 genes they share which are much higher than anywhere else in the region.

Quite interesting.

Read here below:

Etruscan civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[United]

A non-Arab country is defending the dignity of an Arab country... while other "Arabs" are begging the west to invade another Arab country... I wonder why would the west need to intervene? of because their puppets F$A are losing badly....

let them intervene... and the whole M.E will burn

There is no dignity left in syria it was gone the day ur president ordered mass rape and murder of syrians..........

Dont u worry about Arabs they r gon'a teach ur Persian masters a lesson they will never forget.

the regime and its supporters will pay the price for every drop of syrian blood.

 

[A1Kaid]

@Desert Fox


Name some Pashtun achievements, it's an important question. What have the Pashtuns contributed to technology and or science? By the way are you a Pashtun? I thought you were a Punjabi...


Only Pashtun achievements that comes to my mind was Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan nuclear scientist of Pakistan. Also Sher Shah Suri rebuilt the GT road from Kabul to Calcutta.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Desert Fox


Name some Pashtun achievements, it's an important question. What have the Pashtuns contributed to technology and or science? By the way are you a Pashtun? I thought you were a Punjabi...


Only Pashtun achievement that comes to my mind was Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan nuclear scientist of Pakistan.

I have no problem with Pashtuns I rather like them and know quite a lot about them. They were simple people hence they did not leave much of a marker outside their borders. Their biggest heydays were 300 years ago when they conquered parts of India, current day Pakistan and Khorasan for a while. They were not a world player such as Arabs for example or others. Nothing wrong with that. I admire their conservatism and Desert Fox probably hates that hence why he prefers to attach himself to the Europeans than his own people. In his eyes the ordinary Pashtun is primitive and uncivilized. A shame to be a self-hating individual. I apologize if any Pashtun felt insulted by my comments but that guy started to insult Arabs and I replied in the same manner. He should have kept it personal.

 

[A1Kaid]

I have no problem with Pashtuns I rather like them and not a bit about them. They were simple people hence they did not leave much of a marker. Their biggest heydays were 300 years ago when they conquered parts of India, current day Pakistan and Khorasan for a while. They were not a world player such as Arabs for example or others. Nothing wrong with that. I admire their conservatism and Desert Fox probably hates that hence why he prefer to attach himself to the Europeans than his own people. A shame. I apologize if any Pashtun felt insulted by my comments but that guy started to insult Arabs and I replied in the same manner. He should have kept it personal.

It's okay we all need to relax and stop insulting each other about what have you done? To be honest all of our people could have done more, important question is what we are doing today. If you check the Technology and Science section I've posted major achievements made by Pakistani scientists in recent years, including twisting light to transmit data, discovery of glaucoma gene, research in nano-transistors, silicon based neurochip, etc.

 

[Mozambique Drill]

Guys, we're getting off topic here about which type of Arab is the best Arab etc. Can we just agree that you've all failed in recent centuries

This is a thread to laugh at Iranis barking like Chihuahuas.

 

[A1Kaid]

Guys, we're getting off topic here about which type of Arab is the best Arab etc. Can we just agree that you've all failed in recent centuries

This is a thread to laugh at Iranis barking like Chihuahuas.

If Pres. George Bush and VP. Dick Cheney were still in the White House, Iran would have been invaded already.

 

[al-Hasani]

Guys, we're getting off topic here about which type of Arab is the best Arab etc. Can we just agree that you've all failed in recent centuries

This is a thread to laugh at Iranis barking like Chihuahuas.

Tell, me cousin are you that Conspirator fellow I thought you were? Just write a PM if you don't want to say it in public. I want tell anyone, LOL.

Israeli Dance - YouTube

Chasidim dancing at a wedding in Israel - YouTube

Do you know John Safran? The most white looking Jew who was found out to be from the Middle East originally from both his parents side. Yes, that was proven in one of his shows. Absolutely hilarious figure.

Here he married a Bin Laden relative and told his family that she was Jewish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Ohc38dLe8

 

[Mozambique Drill]

If Pres. George Bush and VP. Dick Cheney were still in the White House, Iran would have been invaded already.

That Arab in the white house is so indecisive.

 

[al-Hasani]

Guys, we're getting off topic here about which type of Arab is the best Arab etc. Can we just agree that you've all failed in recent centuries

This is a thread to laugh at Iranis barking like Chihuahuas.

GCC has not failed. We are richer and living better than you Israelis, man. Your house prices are absurd and your food is expensive too. You live in daily fear too.

You should be praised for turning a largely barren land into greenery and productivity.

I only agreed to the last part, LOL.

Also we had it better than the Jews anyway. You people were persecuted everywhere and lived in ghettos in Europe for hundreds of years. Unable to study etc. with barely any rights.

You had it much better in the Arab world.

That Arab in the white house is so indecisive.

LOL. Obama is not an Arab. The Swahili Kenyans have indeed Arab admixture since the Swahili coast (itself an Arabic name) was once part of the Omani Arab colonial empire. Barack Obamas (Barak is a Jewish name, don't you know?) is from the interior of Kenya. No way is he Arab.

Also if he was an Arab he would probably have had a harsher line towards Iran than Bush or Cheney LOL.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

Neo-Nazis. Whetever. I don't care about WW2. Why should I? I am not a wannabe white European let alone a citizen of any Western country.

I just told you that Neo-Nazis or whatever you wan to call them use Heil Hitler despite Hitler being dead for well over 68 years.

Anyway can you tell me about the Pashtun accomplishments? Still not told anything. I am actually curious. Is that why you have adopted Western culture in such a clear way? That you know look down upon your likes?

You talked about "civilized". What do you think about the regular Pashtun village then?



LOL. Are you dumb? That is tradtional Yemeni architecture found nowhere in the world besides Southwestern KSA. No such presence did exist.

Well basically 90% of all clerics were Arab and those who were not were either Arabized or under Arab influence and wrote in Arabic since that was a language of science. Ever heard about Bayt al-Hikma? The biggest library in the ancient world?

Ever heard about Prophet Muhammad (saws), the Sahabah, all of the first Arab Caliphs that ruled as Caliphs for the first 900 years of Islamic history? 3 of the 4 main Sunni Imams? Maliki, Shafi'i and ibn Hanbal?

Also why are you again talking about Europeans? You are not a a European but a Pashtun. Why don't you tell me about your achievements? I have asked you 5 times in a row with no answers.

Arabs ruled many parts of Europe for centuries and even had European slaves. What about Pashtuns?

Pashtuns are Iranian branch of Indo-Iranians. Does not matter that Afghanistan is in big troubles now or their location, they are part of Indo-European nations.
Also Central Asia has interesting sites, unfortunately many destroyed because of modern wars, but also old wars like attack of the mongols.

Balkh is one of the oldest cities in the world and is considered to be the first city to which the Indo-Iranian tribes moved from the North of Amu Darya, between 2000 - 1500 BC. The Arabs called it Umm Al-Belaad or Mother of Cities due to its antiquity