Iran wants closer ties with Pakistan

[Hussein]

Iran and Pakistan, from a strategic, demographic and economic perspective, need to be friends and are, in fact, natural friends. Perpetuating distrust between these two countries is only in the interest of those who wish either Pakistan or Iran ill.

You said everything
I totally agree about it

 

[A1Kaid]

Some individuals will argue Pakistan and Iran share great history, language similarities, culture, poetry, culture, neighbors, etc all well meaning and understandable points.

However, on the personal aspect between Iranian and Pakistani people there isn't much interaction nor affinity that this supposed "brotherly" or at least "friendly" ties would mandate. Many Iranians I've come across think of Pakistanis as "fanatical Muslims" and "extremist" doing exactly what some ignorant westerners or easterners may do and that is paint Pakistan with a broad brush, we all know Pakistan has more depth than that.

Now I'm sure there are Pakstanis who have an unfavorable view of Iran and some who like Iran. Though, again this "brotherly" or "friendly" aspect in Pakistan and Iranian relations is absent.

 

[TechLahore]

A1Kaid, having interacted with lots of people from Iran, I disagree.
There are always people on both sides who will talk dismissively of others, but that doesn't characterize the national attitude. For one, there are no large outstanding conflicts between Pakistan and Iran (such as a disputed border, or a territorial issue) and at a personal level, there are immediately a thousand different things a Pakistani and an Iranian can connect on. I can't get a smile from a european when I recite Khusro, but I can from an Iranian. By the way, this is not limited to Iran. There are a few nationalities that fall into this bucket; I find Turks incredibly friendly and great well wishers of Pakistan, as are Jordanians, for example. There have been recent ups and downs between Pakistan and Iran, but both sides understand these are hiccups that have to be addressed and that they can't change the history of the past millenium.

 

[A1Kaid]

But for the 95% of the Iranian people: most of them have no bad feeling about Pakistanis. For exemple we were all sad about flooding and believe me most Iranians (except a few said before) they don't like the big game in the region and we remember Mossadegh very much . You know what i mean.

"But for the 95% of the Iranian people: most of them have no bad feeling about Pakistanis."

Sorry to interfere in your brotherly love, between Pakistan and Iran.


But you said 95% of Iranians have no bad feeling towards Pakistan. Well that doesn't tell us much about the "brotherly" and or "friendly" ties between Pakistan. Besides your getting that 95% number from your own opinion or a scientific opinion poll, seems obviously it's your own opinion (respected nonetheless).


Have there been surveys on what Iranians think of other countries particularly Pakistan? Or does IR not allow that or there simply haven't been any by the media there or etc?

95% of Iranians don't feel bad towards Pakistan doesn't necessarily mean they like Pakistan either...It would be good to see some actual polls conducted.


Again, I'm analyzing this through the people to people aspect not what the articles are always saying, I'm informed about Iranian-Pakistani history esp. Modern times which matters most in this case.



Though I do agree to an extent Iran and Pakistan are suitable allies for how long who knows.....

 

[TechLahore]

Very interesting. You have both an Iranian and a Pakistani telling you that the majority of people in both countries have no issue with each other and consider each other friends, and yet you have a hard time believing it. Perhaps it is your own misconceptions or pre-conceived ideas that are getting in the way.

By the way, I am all for polls. But when it comes to "facts" about Iran and Pakistan, I would not find western polling organizations credible. It would be like basing your opinion of the US on what an Iranian or North Korean polling organization told you.

 

[Pasban]

What type of example?

How to have a government agency control how and when you can cut your hair? How to restrict your speech, how to by ruthlessly ruled by an authoritarian government?

Iran is a joke. Don't let Ahmadinejad defiant talk and his government controlled press fool anybody.

The government does not control when we can cut our hair. I can choose to have a haircut at my own timing. Iran may be a 'joke' to you but it's least comical.

 

[Hussein]

The government does not control when we can cut our hair. I can choose to have a haircut at my own timing. Iran may be a 'joke' to you but it's least comical.

you remember this?

and you didn't remember that?

Iran’s Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance has released an official guide which lays out which haircuts are approved for men.

Iran Men's Haircut Guide - Huh? | Geekosystem

 

[Spring Onion]

If that true and Iran is serious then its a good move.

Keeping in view the regional situation its high time Pakistan-Iran should have good ties and should work together for stabilising the region including Afghanistan.

This will also be good not only strategically but also economically for Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan and CARs.

 

[The Clarifier]

I have always seen Turkey as an ideal partner but not Iran. If the regime is overthrown, I daresay Iran will be all too susceptible to pro-Western leadership and that can never be good for Muslims.

Of course, we can all benefit.

 

[GentlemanObserver]

Some individuals will argue Pakistan and Iran share great history, language similarities, culture, poetry, culture, neighbors, etc all well meaning and understandable points.

However, on the personal aspect between Iranian and Pakistani people there isn't much interaction nor affinity that this supposed "brotherly" or at least "friendly" ties would mandate. Many Iranians I've come across think of Pakistanis as "fanatical Muslims" and "extremist" doing exactly what some ignorant westerners or easterners may do and that is paint Pakistan with a broad brush, we all know Pakistan has more depth than that.

Now I'm sure there are Pakstanis who have an unfavorable view of Iran and some who like Iran. Though, again this "brotherly" or "friendly" aspect in Pakistan and Iranian relations is absent.

However, on the personal aspect between Iranian and Pakistani people there isn't much interaction nor affinity that this supposed "brotherly" or at least "friendly" ties would mandate.

Source... Because last i checked your not an authority on the subject
besides those from Kizilbash stock and Pakistani Shia's would love to prove you WRONG!

Many Iranians I've come across think of Pakistanis as "fanatical Muslims" and "extremist" doing exactly what some ignorant westerners or easterners may do and that is paint Pakistan with a broad brush, we all know Pakistan has more depth than that.

Don't really know which Iranian's you have met by again i had many in my University in London and we got on fine, here in the UK we have a thriving Iranian community and they mingle with Pakistanis just fine.

Many Pakistani students from the National University of Modern Languages (::: National University of Modern Languages :::) go on exchange programs to Iran to master Persian and gain an in-depth focus on Iranian culture and traditions.

If you still think that on the individual level people in iran dislike Pakistanis then here is another link for you:
Taqribnews (TNA) - Iranian Hajj Pilgrims to donate trip expenses to Pakistan

Now I'm sure there are Pakstanis who have an unfavorable view of Iran and some who like Iran. Though, again this "brotherly" or "friendly" aspect in Pakistan and Iranian relations is absent.

Again this is just supposition on your part without any facts or empirical data to back it up with, i can interview the white dude next to me in my office and ask if he likes ham.

probability theory would argue there is a 50% chance of him saying yes and or no based on "personal" opinion or views or past experiences.

Will this then lead me to conclude without a shadow of a doubt that all white people hate Ham?

Clearly not, such logic is flawed and so is yours.

 

[Abii]

The government does not control when we can cut our hair. I can choose to have a haircut at my own timing. Iran may be a 'joke' to you but it's least comical.

sandis doost dari?

 

[Pasban]

sandis doost dari?

Let me get you right here, you are saying that the IRI decides when I can have a haircut or not? Is that so? Secondly, you agree to the bit about Iran being a 'joke'?

shahi?

 

[Pasban]

you remember this?
YouTube - IRAN POLICE ATTACK TO A TEENAGER

and you didn't remember that?

Iran Men's Haircut Guide - Huh? | Geekosystem

Where in all of this does it state that the IRI tells me when I can have a haircut or not? You have not proved otherwise, have you. I have not heard of Geekosystem before but I doubt it's an authoritative source. All they have is an image of some hairstyles idealized by our often ridiculous authorities.

 

[Hussein]

Where in all of this does it state that the IRI tells me when I can have a haircut or not? You have not proved otherwise, have you. I have not heard of Geekosystem before but I doubt it's an authoritative source. All they have is an image of some hairstyles idealized by our often ridiculous authorities.

It is not about Geekosystem, i took the first english article which was saying about it.

As you say there are ridiculous authorities who speak about these matters.

But yes i didn't understand what you were meaning. No there is nothing to do with the IRI says WHEN i can have a haircut.

Anyway i am taken in the same trap i always blamed when i am in Iran. I mean of course all these codes are ridiculous, especially for women, but there is much much more important matter than this.
And freedom of speech is one of them.

 

[Omar1984]

I have always seen Turkey as an ideal partner but not Iran. If the regime is overthrown, I daresay Iran will be all too susceptible to pro-Western leadership and that can never be good for Muslims.

Of course, we can all benefit.

Obviously Pakistan-Iran relations is not as great as Pakistan-Turkey relations or Pakistan-China relations but we can work to make Pakistan-Iran relations also as great as Pakistan has close relations with Turkey and China.


I think there are many misunderstandings between Pakistan and Iran in the past but nothing serious. Pakistan and Iran have no disputes. Iran doesn't claim any part of Pakistan and Pakistan doesn't claim any part of Iran.

Both countries must improve relations that will benefit both Pakistan and Iran.