Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

[drmeson]

Pakistan is the ONLY Muslim country with nuclear weapons. Iran might be nuclear capable but Pakistan was already and has around 200 nukes.

You are talking talking nonsense. Nuclear weapons and capability is a grey area where countries differ on their doctrine. Some have all deployed arsenals (US, USSR). Others have few ready deployed devices and keep the rest of the arsenal in "Assembly-away" stand by position (Israel probably and China specifically). In the case of Iran with multiple underground nuclear enrichment and weaponization bases, NOBODY in this world knows what Iran has or has not. Israeli Intelligence and American think tanks report that Iran may have been conducting simulated or real cold fission tests for a long long time, may be since 1990s to create a robust "standby" nuclear capability in deep underground tunnels. You need to read about Project Amad. Israelis and American reported that even before 2003 Iran had functional neutron accumulator guns and even full designs on capable delivery vehicles (about the size of a suitcase or car tire) that fitted Shahab-3 MRBM which is retired now in favor of IRBM arsenal like Sejjil-II, Khorramshahr-II, Emad-MaRV. So nobody knows what Iranian strike force has or not. At best it may have 30-40 tactical to strategic fission devices already with 0.1 to 2 KT yields. Israelis reported a prospect of 5 x 10 KT in 2003 or in standy by position. Thats 20 years ago and even Israelis do not know if the papers they got were plans to be implemented or already implemented that is what David Albright said. Maybe the papers were strategically placed there to be found by Israelis. Strategists of any country are not stupid. Today IAEA has been kicked out of Iran. What is happening in Iranian underground facilities right now? Plausible deniability is a weapon in strategy. Israel has never claimed nuclear capability either.

Pakistan also has ICBM capability for years now and has a wide range of indigenous ballistic and cruise missiles for years now.
Pakistan had missile technology before
Iranians. Just because we don’t test ICBM doesn’t mean we are not ICBM capable. It’s only enough to demonstrate you have the ability to build such when needed.

Seeing is believing. Your claims are without any evidence. Pakistan has a two staged solid fueled system called Shahin-III (2750 km) which I believe is the workhorse of the MRBM/IRBM domain and there was one test of same Shahin-II with MIRV bus installed on it called Ababil-I (2200 KM). Thats it, nothing in three stage domain or successful SLV test has ever been demonstrated above this to believe existance of ICBM capability. If anything has been tested "Successfully" otherwise please post it here. I follow reports of Mr. Nobert Brugge, Janes, Missile Threat, IISS etc and they dont even miss Chinese or Russian developments let alone anyone else's ...

Meanwhile. Iran is the only Islamic country to have successfully ever deployed 3 staged SLVs/Missiles that too with solid stages. This 3-staged SLV is deployed from an apogee of 1000-1200 km becomes a long range ICBM. Its current Missile form we have is Sejjil-II/III that according to Janes/Missile threat/IISS has a range of 2400-3000 km depending upon what RV it deploys because it has two types.

Its not just the only system we have, read this thread's first post (OPERATIONAL SLVS OF IRAN), IRGC (other than Iranian space Agency) operate their own TEL road Mobile 3 staged SLV called Qased with a TVC controlled last stage, which has a 100 % success rate of deploying Satellites in LEO. That too can be deployed as ICBM because it fits the bill of a Missile. Road Mobile TEL, last stage has TVC.

Current Iranian Maximum Ballastic missile tested range is in form of Khorramshahr-II MaRV which according to IISS (Americans) has a range of 3000-3200 KM for a 0.5 Tons warhead with a CEP of less than 10m. Its similar to DPRK's Hwasong-12 but different because it deploys an MaRV and has no booster fins.

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Developing a solid fuelled missile is much harder and better then liquid fuelled. Pakistan also uses indigenous engines on its cruise missiles and now has put Harbah up for export.

Our majority arsenal is based on solid fueled systems including operational SLVs. We even have a small sized solid-fueled skip glide MaRV at MRBM range (1450-1500 tested) that comes down at target at 4-5 Mach from quasi Ballistic trajectory and has a CEP of < 2 M. This is our workhorse for taking out enemy stationary ships, airbases (hardened aircraft shelters). I think you just read old wikipedia pages in a hurry to create this response and missed everything.

Pakistan had missile technology before
Iranians

Thats a BS claim because history does not agree with you.

In 1980s, Iran and Pakistan both got a lottery package out of North Korean imports called Hwasong-7 and 8, which became Ghori-I/II (smart name; a Tajik warrior king who invaded India) and Shahab-III in Iran in the 1990s. It happened same time. Ghori-I/II were tested in 1998 and 1999 while Shahab-III was tested in 1998-2002 (different versions). Both programs got changed after that. Iran focused on Sejjil system while liquid family went to SLVs (first satellite launch in 2009).

Later Iran Shahab-III got a MaRV for accuracy with control surface fins to become Emad-I which evoluted recently into Emad-II with Jet vanes (TRV= Thrust Re-entry Vehicle) for extreme level accuracy at MRBM ranges. Pictured below.

Best way to catch a Missile origin is to check its stage diameter and color of its exhaust. 1990s Hwasong7/8, Shahab-III, and Ghori I/II all belonged to same soviet family/north korean family. And they started at same time in 1990s. Your patriotic claim of Oh Pakistan got its technology early is just baseless.

Also Iran and Pakistan are not competitors. Stop posting flaming comments here just because you have some weird sectarian thing going that you developed in west.

 

[drmeson]

Pakistan also uses indigenous engines on its cruise missiles and now has put Harbah up for export.

For its Cruise Missiles, Iran uses indigenous mini turbojet engines called "Tolou Series". It originated from TRI60 jet engines in late-90ss to early 2000s when we tested our first AShCM called Noor (TOT of C-802/803) but since has evolved into 4 larger turbojets inside Iran to the most recent ones (Tolou-14 Turbofan) that are large enough to power large Stealth UCAV. We also operate single crystal Turbofan called Jahesh-700 and a larger Turbojet for fighter (OWJ, modernised copy of J-85-II). In few years we might see Iranian single crystal Turbofan for fighter jets. Check out this Thread https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-military-engine-development-news-and-updates.446453/page-30

Anyways here is one sample of Tolou Propulsion system for UCAV.

Arsenal of Cruise Missiles:

Mehdi AShCM (1000 KM range, In Possession of Iran and Hezbollah)

Air Launched AntiShipping Cruise Missile AShCM Ghader 330 KM.

Land Attack Cruise Missile Soumar/Hoveyzeh LACM (Range 2500 km with R95-300 reverse engineered copy engine from KH-55 kent, Currently range 1450-1500 KM with Indigenous Tolou-4 engine with more reliability)

Air Launched Land Attack Cruise Missile ALCM Ya-Ali (700 KM)

Submarine launched Cruise Missile SLCM JASK-2

UCAV launched Land-Attack Cruise Missile Heydar-I/II (~200 KM)

We have achieved to make short range compact battlefield ballistic missiles with miniature nuclear warhead. Irans shortest range ballistic missile is Tondar 69 which it set is based on Chinese copy of S-75 SAM and is no where near compact as Pakistan’s Nasr neither is it MARV or follows a quasi ballistic trajectory like Pakistan’s missile. Pakistan’s new Fateh 1 is basically what Tondar 69 is but even then Pakistan managed to put 8 missiles on a truck with range of 140 kms and all are MARV following a quasi ballistic trajectory.

You are basically doing this, going to Wikipedia to search for whatever suits you and posting it here. TONDER-69 was a product of late 1980s and early 90s and has since been retired LEL-LOL-COPTER.

For TBM/SRBM Iran uses Fateh Family of solid fueled small missiles that are Quasi Ballistic Trajectory vehicles, ranging from 25KM to1800 KM. Thats our workhorse family of missiles that saw amazing service in Syria (also used by Syrian Army as M-600). This was the missile family that we used (along with others) to destroy ISIS, Kurdish Rebels and US bases as well American Bases as well. And they have never failed. In case of war, Hezbollah will wreck Havoc on Israeli bases with it as well. Rumor has it that Iran might have transfered some hundreds of its retired early gen Fatehs to Hezbollah for war preparation.

Anyways, Its a diverse family of compact slick missiles that have C-fibre bodies (Raad-500), MaRV (entire arsenal) and can't be intercepted by conventional ABM because they fly at glide and quasi ballistic trajactories. They use different types of Guidance like IR, TV, Anti Radiation, Laser-INS for extreme level accuracy.

BM-120 (25-120 KM) has 6 x Tube launchers

Raad-500 SRBM (notice the C-Fibre) 500 KM

Zolfaghar Basir AntiShipping Ballastic Missile AShBM (750 Km)

Another distant relative of this series is Qassem MaRV MRBM (1800 KM) which is again a partial glide vehicle.

Look at it entering depressed trajactory in picture below. In case of war this will be used to clear of Enemy Air defence.

Pakistan’s AQ Khan was the one who sold you Iranians nuclear tech and nuclear centrifuges which you Iranians didn’t even bother to modify a single bit leading to AQ Khan being caught.

I think you know nothing about this case. You need to read IAEA papers.
https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/articles-reports/beyond-ir-1-irans-advanced-centrifuges-their-lasting-implications

Dr. Abdolkadir Khan (RIP Gentleman) stole two centrifuge designs from his employers in nederlands URENCO. One design was called CNOR, this became P-1 in Pakistan and IR-1 in Iran in late 1980s. 2nd design he stole was G2 which became P-2 in Pakistan and IR-2 in Iran simultaeously in 1990s. Anyways, from early 1990s, nothing was exchanged. According to IAEA papers, Dr. Mohsen Fakhrizadeh's (Dr. Khan's equivalent in Iran, both men are dead now) team turned towards development of indigenous IR-6 pretty quickly which is just a total different design, its wider, shorter and built of C-fibre instead of alloys of CNOR/G-2/P-1/2 and IR-1/2. It also has a IAEA reported capacity of 10+ SWU/year. Then the focus went to IR-8/9 which supposedly can produce 45-50 SWU/year. Iran realized pretty quickly in late 1990s and 2000s that It needs larger U235 outputs. Today Iran has some thousands of IR-6 in God knows in how many underground facilities around Iran. While Iran also developed Laser enrichement facilities (atleast one is officially known). Israelis and US fear that if Iran uses all of IR-6 in storages i.e. thousands for enrichment and puts its 70-80 tons/year production of Uranium (Only behind China, US, Russia, India among Nuclear enrichment club), it will produce more weapons than ... it should. Or it might already have. Who knows the reality.

So this whole idea of "oh we gave them nukes" is based upon lack of information and stupid nationalism which does not work in serious defence circles. Your own country's more informed defence posters here do not talk like this here because they have great information too. Besides, centrifuges are not the only component of a nuclear weapon program. Pakistani P-1 and Iranian IR-1 were once developed by both countries in 1990s but not anymore for high grade enrichment atleast and both came from URENCO in nederlands.

 

[drmeson]

Talking about which drones Iran will supply, i'm also thinking Iran will supply some Shahed-129s, or/and The "Gaza" drones..why? They're probably harder for Ukranian Air defenses to target because they can fly higher, and they can fly long distances, and carry solid weapons payloads, essentially basic potent, unmanned bombers.


What part exactly is funny to you about this UAV deal? I'm interested in understanding that sort of opinion. Cheers.

Shahed-136 Loiterers is my own assumption. Will clear Ukrainian AD, armour very quickly.

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[QWECXZ]

@drmeson Dude, it's a pleasure to read your detailed posts here.

 

[drmeson]

@drmeson Dude, it's a pleasure to read your detailed posts here.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Ukrainian forces report Iranian mortars being in use by Russia.

come on , i don't believe Russia will ran out of artillery and mortar even if the war take another 50 year. their army is literally based around those type of weapons

 

[Hack-Hook]

For its Cruise Missiles, Iran uses indigenous mini turbojet engines called "Tolou Series". It originated from TRI60 jet engines in late-90ss to early 2000s when we tested our first AShCM called Noor (TOT of C-802/803) but since has evolved into 5 larger turbojets inside Iran to the most recent ones (Tolou-14) that are large enough to power large Stealth UCAV. We also operate single crystal Turbofan called Jahesh-700 and a larger Turbojet for fighter (OWJ, modernised copy of J-85-II). In few years we might see Iranian single crystal Turbofan for fighter jets. Check out this Thread https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-military-engine-development-news-and-updates.446453/page-30

Anyways here is one sample of Tolou Propulsion system for UCAV.

a small correction , Unlike the rest of Tolue engines Tolue-14 is turbo fan not turbo Jet but another class of turbo fan engine compared to Jahesh-700

Submarine launched Cruise Missile SLCM JASK-2

another correction , JASK-2 is not cruise missile , its mor like a torpedo with range up to 15km we put the actual cruise missile inside it and fire it after moving like torpedeo for the first 10-15km it come to the surface and release the actual cruise missile from there . by this solution we managed to make all of our submarine cruise missile capable. even Gadir

 

[drmeson]

a small correction , Unlike the rest of Tolue engines Tolue-14 is turbo fan not turbo Jet but another class of turbo fan engine compared to Jahesh-700


another correction , JASK-2 is not cruise missile , its mor like a torpedo with range up to 15km we put the actual cruise missile inside it and fire it after moving like torpedeo for the first 10-15km it come to the surface and release the actual cruise missile from there . by this solution we managed to make all of our submarine cruise missile capable. even Gadir

- Tolou correction done.


- I am well aware of the torpedo-sleeve release mechanism of Nasr-1 AShCM and the fact then even Ghadir class can fire it. Jask-2 is the system's name. Because its launch platform is a submarine so it's a SLCM. If you add a booster to a missile launched from an aircraft you still call that an air launched missile.

 

[Beny Karachun]

come on , i don't believe Russia will ran out of artillery and mortar even if the war take another 50 year. their army is literally based around those type of weapons

They'll run out quickly if their warehouses will continue to explode

 

[Shawnee]

come on , i don't believe Russia will ran out of artillery and mortar even if the war take another 50 year. their army is literally based around those type of weapons

Don’t shoot the messenger

 

[Stryker1982]

They'll run out quickly if their warehouses will continue to explode

Very wishful thinking if you think Russia will run out of artillery or shells

 

[Sayfullah]

Weak ? Remind me when NATO tried to bomb Pakistan's nuclear facilities. Remind me which Pakistani nuclear scientist was assassinated by NATO. And we of course should forget NATO proxy "Mard-e-Momin" Zia ul Haq who was given every support by NATO in NATO's regime change war against Afghan Communists and elsewhere.

Are you that dumb? There’s whole threads on this very forum about the times others tried to attack our nuclear reactors or kill our scientists.
Stupid murtad commie

NOBODY in this world knows what Iran has or has not.

Seeing is believing. Your claims are without any evidence.

You have just contradicted your self. No point in continuing with you.

 

[TheImmortal]

come on , i don't believe Russia will ran out of artillery and mortar even if the war take another 50 year. their army is literally based around those type of weapons

Armies don’t produce artillery and mortar forever. They need to be stored somewhere. And Russia (and Ukraine’s) storage skills are questionable given how many brand new tanks they let rot away after Cold War.

Look how fast US manpad supply got depleted and they have a budget of $700B+. Russia budget is $60B and who knows how much of that reaches the end user due to corruption.

Remember Russia is using tens of thousands of artillery shells a week. There is only so much inventory they have dating back to Cold War stocks. They won’t run out, they likely been restarting factories and assembly lines to produce artillery shells/bullets/ammo/etc

Buy if they can order 500,000 shells from Iran for cheap....why not?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Very wishful thinking if you think Russia will run out of artillery or shells

They have a lot of artillery shells but not an infinite amount. It's firing 60,000 artillery shells per day for 140 days already and had many major stocks blown up.
Sooner or later it will run out.

 

[Hydration]

They have a lot of artillery shells but not an infinite amount. It's firing 60,000 artillery shells per day for 140 days already and had many major stocks blown up.
Sooner or later it will run out.

Are you talking a bout the fretlizer warhouse?