Iran to supply Russia with “hundreds” of Drones

[Kedikesenfare2]

On the one hand you guys are saying that Iran is sanctioned at maximum on the other hand you're arguing that Russia put in veto for Iran...nice twisting of reality.

Chinese companies will turn away from you just like they retreated from Russia the moment you get involved in Ukraine. They won't risk getting sanctioned fir Russia and for sure as hell won't pay for you handsome Iranians.

Getting into the Ukrainian quagmire at this time is geopolitically WRONG for a nation like Iran. Doesn't matter what your political stance is, this is the reality.

 

[Bengal71]

Let me explain the cruelty of geopolitics:

The reason why countries exist is to distinguish the differences between different groups, that is to say, there must be more or less differences between countries.

And the difference means that the interests are not synchronized, which will inevitably bring more or less contradictions.

There will be contradictions between any country, and the difference only lies in how many. This means that the political basis between countries was originally malicious.

And where does goodwill come from? From need! The need for economic cooperation, defense cooperation, trade, support and so on are the sources of goodwill.

If you want to get true friendship from a country, you must make them need you.

Of course, you can also use strength to prevent other countries from releasing malice against you. That's another way.

The question now is, what can Iran do to make western countries need Iran?

Words of great wisdom, it should be framed in gold. My respect increased for you.

@UKBengali Read this one from our wise Chinese friend.

 

[KaiserX]

Considering Israel doesn’t produce any major amounts of oil and OPEC is at max capacity, they would welcome Iranian oil:

OPEC's Barkindo says Venezuelan, Iranian oil could ease energy crisis

The oil and gas industry is "under siege" due to years of under-investment, the OPEC Secretary General Mohammad Barkindo said on Tuesday, adding the resulting supply shortage could be eased if extra supplies from Iran and Venezuela were allowed to flow.

www.reuters.com

An extra 1M Iranian barrels entering the market would benefit the Arabs as prices are stabilized, but shortfall is estimated at 2-3M barrels due to Ukraine conflict among other things. So it wouldn’t make a massive difference unless demand drops due to economic output dropping.

What an idiotic post. Iran increasing production driving down prices will benefit arab oil producers who are finally making profit after years of losses during low oil prices???

On the one hand you guys are saying that Iran is sanctioned at maximum on the other hand you're arguing that Russia put in veto for Iran...nice twisting of reality.

Chinese companies will turn away from you just like they retreated from Russia the moment you get involved in Ukraine. They won't risk getting sanctioned fir Russia and for sure as hell won't pay for you handsome Iranians.

Getting into the Ukrainian quagmire at this time is geopolitically WRONG for a nation like Iran. Doesn't matter what your political stance is, this is the reality.

I feel most chinese members on this forum are very confused when it comes to the ukraine-russian war due to state propaganda in china. They may be unaware of just how terrible Russia has been performing and how crappy russias latest weapons have been.
120 days into the war russia has yet to gain air superiority. Let alone deliver a knockout blow to a neighbor that is 1/20th its size militarily

 

[TheImmortal]

What an idiotic post. Iran increasing production driving down prices will benefit arab oil producers who are finally making profit after years of losses during low oil prices???

In Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, production costs per barrel rarely exceeded $10 per barrel throughout the study period, and median costs were $5.40 a barrel. At the 95th percentile, the production cost was about $10 per barrel.

“Years of losses”

Idiotic is your lack of knowledge of oil production in Middle East. Add to that how supply demand works and sustainable oil price in line with economic production.

The shortfall is 2-3M barrels per day. Iran can add another 1-1.5M barrels....there will still be a shortfall. Market will be out of balance.

OPEC wants oil at a “sustainable price” usually $70-80. $100+ while attractive to a simpleton’s mind like you, can lead to economic downturn and energy inflation which then leads a sharp decrease in price of oil...hurting OPEC oil producers much more than any oil from Iran could.

So get lost troll, we don’t need to lose brain cells to anymore of your “analysis”.

 

[Blue In Green]

On the one hand you guys are saying that Iran is sanctioned at maximum on the other hand you're arguing that Russia put in veto for Iran...nice twisting of reality.

Chinese companies will turn away from you just like they retreated from Russia the moment you get involved in Ukraine. They won't risk getting sanctioned fir Russia and for sure as hell won't pay for you handsome Iranians.

Getting into the Ukrainian quagmire at this time is geopolitically WRONG for a nation like Iran. Doesn't matter what your political stance is, this is the reality.

Unilateral sanctions imposed by the United States differ from American attempts to condemn Iran using U.N. as the vector of attack. Completely different set of rules applies if one can garner the condemnation of multiple nations at the U.N. as opposed to America going at it alone essentially. UN resolutions carry more weight than a single country doing it solo.

But what TheImmortal said was essentially correct. Idk how much you actually know about Iran and the draconian sanctions apparatus that has been placed upon it. But by all means, there really isn't much left for them to do to Iran outside of a literal physical blockade (which will end up in a shoot conflict) or outright war. America and its cronies have quite literally exhausted all means of sanctions (just as they did with Russia). So there REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING TO LOSE BY TRANSFERING MUCH NEEDED DRONES TO THE RUSSIAN MILITARY. Iran has the largest domestic arms production in the Middle East and can more than accommodate the needs of the Russian Federation in the sphere of Drone warfare.

No offense, but I think you're clearly talking from a place of ignorance rather than knowledge. Whilst your assertion that "Iran shouldn't be getting involved" is commendable. The point-of-no-return has already long since passed for Iran and this so called "reintegration" into the "world community".

 

[TheImmortal]

Getting into the Ukrainian quagmire at this time is geopolitically WRONG for a nation like Iran. Doesn't matter what your political stance is, this is the reality.

Ironic coming from the Turk. Isnt there an Israeli *** that needs kissing? Or a TB-2 you need to send to Ukraine?

Turkish foreign policy makes less sense than a woman going thru menopause.

But thanks for sharing your concern on Iranian foreign policy.

 

[MH.Yang]

What an idiotic post. Iran increasing production driving down prices will benefit arab oil producers who are finally making profit after years of losses during low oil prices???



I feel most chinese members on this forum are very confused when it comes to the ukraine-russian war due to state propaganda in china. They may be unaware of just how terrible Russia has been performing and how crappy russias latest weapons have been.
120 days into the war russia has yet to gain air superiority. Let alone deliver a knockout blow to a neighbor that is 1/20th its size militarily

Russia's performance is not as bad as Western propaganda, and they hardly use the air force.

Of course, the performance of the Russians is not as good as they boast. Basically, the Russian military meets the expectations of the Chinese national think tank.

Because of years of exchanges and exercises, China is probably the main military force that knows Russia's military capabilities best. China also knows the military strength of the USA and Ukraine.

 

[TheImmortal]

Russia's performance is not as bad as Western propaganda, and they hardly use the air force.

It’s not that they hardly use their Air Force. It’s people equate Russian Air Force philosophy to Western Air Force Air Superiority philosophy. This is an error.

Soviet philosophy was always to use Air Force to keep enemy airforce away from front lines and LOCs. Which they are accomplishing running 200 sorties a day sometimes more. I don’t see any bombing raids by what’s left of Ukraine airforce.

Also Russia doesn’t want to risk its planes in an air space that US/NATO is continuously moving in air defense systems and moving them around. Russia just destroyed another S-300 system so it’s taking it’s time to open the skies.

Russian underperformance in first 2-3 months was very bad. No sugar coating it. But last 2 months has been relatively good considering Russia is using 300K troops to Ukraine’s entire general mobilization effort and NATO/US aid mounting tens of billions of dollars.

Ukraine is losing up to 1,000 troops a day (killed and wounded) straight from Ukrainian government officials mouth. For Ukraine this is unsustainable. It will lose the Donbass province just like it lost Luchnask province.

The key is after that what will happen? Ceasefire? Russia continue? Russia move towards Odessa?

Will be interesting to see

 

[Kedikesenfare2]

It’s not that they hardly use their Air Force. It’s people equate Russian Air Force philosophy to Western Air Force Air Superiority philosophy. This is an error.

Soviet philosophy was always to use Air Force to keep enemy airforce away from front lines and LOCs. Which they are accomplishing running 200 sorties a day sometimes more. I don’t see any bombing raids by what’s left of Ukraine airforce.

Also Russia doesn’t want to risk its planes in an air space that US/NATO is continuously moving in air defense systems and moving them around. Russia just destroyed another S-300 system so it’s taking it’s time to open the skies.

Russian underperformance in first 2-3 months was very bad. No sugar coating it. But last 2 months has been relatively good considering Russia is using 300K troops to Ukraine’s entire general mobilization effort and NATO/US aid mounting tens of billions of dollars.

Ukraine is losing up to 1,000 troops a day (killed and wounded) straight from Ukrainian government officials mouth. For Ukraine this is unsustainable. It will lose the Donbass province just like it lost Luchnask province.

The key is after that what will happen? Ceasefire? Russia continue? Russia move towards Odessa?

Will be interesting to see

One can do nothing but face palming when people defend Russia's performance.

 

[_Nabil_]

Great news if true, this will give Iran Money, probably TOT on engines or missiles, and a lot of weight in the region

Let the haters trolls cope with it

 

[KaiserX]

It’s not that they hardly use their Air Force. It’s people equate Russian Air Force philosophy to Western Air Force Air Superiority philosophy. This is an error.

Soviet philosophy was always to use Air Force to keep enemy airforce away from front lines and LOCs. Which they are accomplishing running 200 sorties a day sometimes more. I don’t see any bombing raids by what’s left of Ukraine airforce.

Also Russia doesn’t want to risk its planes in an air space that US/NATO is continuously moving in air defense systems and moving them around. Russia just destroyed another S-300 system so it’s taking it’s time to open the skies.

Russian underperformance in first 2-3 months was very bad. No sugar coating it. But last 2 months has been relatively good considering Russia is using 300K troops to Ukraine’s entire general mobilization effort and NATO/US aid mounting tens of billions of dollars.

Ukraine is losing up to 1,000 troops a day (killed and wounded) straight from Ukrainian government officials mouth. For Ukraine this is unsustainable. It will lose the Donbass province just like it lost Luchnask province.

The key is after that what will happen? Ceasefire? Russia continue? Russia move towards Odessa?

Will be interesting to see

That is Russias strategy against a numerically superior NATO not against a much weaker opponent in this case Ukraine. The fact that Russia cannot even take out Ukrainian air defences speaks volume, or the fact that it over estimated its strengh and was forced to retreat from Kiev and Kharkiv also speaks volume. Good luck playing mental gynastics trying to sugarcoat russian losses

 

[Blue In Green]

Great news if true, this will give Iran Money, probably TOT on engines or missiles, and a lot of weight in the region

Let the haters trolls cope with it

Every time some news of this calibre comes out regarding Iran, people on PDF crawl out the shadows to belittle Iran as if it's a small throw away nation that doesn't matter at all

One of the single most hilarious things to see play out, time and time again lol.

 

[Shawnee]

We did have this discussion 2 months ago.

@TheImmortal

Metallurgy the word of the day.

 

[KaiserX]

Every time some news of this calibre comes out regarding Iran, people on PDF crawl out the shadows to belittle Iran as if it's a small throw away nation that doesn't matter at all

One of the single most hilarious things to see play out, time and time again lol.

Who said Iran is a small throw away nation or belittled iran? take your insecurity else where if you cant have a proper intellectual discussion

We are simply stating that Iran would not do this without something in return. Iran has a production capacity for drones but depending on the type/complexity of drone provided it could take Iran 6 month-2 years to produce hundreds of drones thus replacing the ones provided to Russia. Again depending on the types of drones provided. These drones dont grow on trees or pop out of thin air. They are produced in complex factories using advanced matierials and technology which is time consuming.

Iran doesnt have that many competitive advantages over its enemies. One of the few that it has are its Drones and missiles. Imagine if a drone is shot over ukraine and captured? the US/Israelis would get there hands on it and easily be able to develop counter measures.

 

[Blue In Green]

Who said Iran is a small throw away nation or belittled iran? take your insecurity else where if you cant have a proper intellectual discussion

We are simply stating that Iran would not do this without something in return. Iran has a production capacity for drones but depending on the type/complexity of drone provided it could take Iran 6 month-2 years to produce hundreds of drones thus replacing the ones provided to Russia. Again depending on the types of drones provided. These drones dont grow on trees or pop out of thin air. They are produced in complex factories using advanced matierials and technology which is time consuming.

Iran doesnt have that many competitive advantages over its enemies. One of the few that it has are its Drones and missiles. Imagine if a drone is shot over ukraine and captured? the US/Israelis would get there hands on it and easily be able to develop counter measures.

"proper intellectual discussion" Really, that's what all this white noise has been about thus far, a proper discussion? I'm not going to SOD off just because you say so. I'm not insecure, and this isn't the first time nobodies came into the Iranian sub-forum to throw around baseless assertions as to what Iran should or should not do or what Iran can and cannot do.

Your assessment about domestic Iranian arms production is just not founded in reality. Domestic production capacity of drones and missiles is truly on a massive, industrial level. Year in and out, I.R.I is adding hundreds of them for its own forces alone plus all the shipments made to regional allies which can easily mount to several hundred units if we're more liberal in our estimates. Where do you think the Houthis, Gazans, Lebanese Hezbollah, Venezuela, Various African nations and Iraqi Paramilitary forces keep getting their drones from? We've seen the massive underground complexes housing rows and rows of drones as far as the eye can see. A single delivery of drones can number in the multiple dozens (as ample video evidence has shown). Yet Iran would have a problem sending several hundred to Russia especially if this is a paid order? Seriously....

The Islamic Republic can quite handily produce enough drones for the Russian Federation if need be. So this notion that a request put in place by Russia for Iranian made drones will somehow "diminish" Iranian stocks or be detrimental to Iran's overall security is just not founded. If this whole ordeal turns out to also include a transfer of arms for some level of TOT or weapons deal. Then Iran would have secured quite the win overall.

Look... I'm not mad at you personally, it's just that whenever news like this regarding Iran comes out. People always tend to think they know what's best for Iran or try and assert a notion that what Iran is doing is "stupid" or "shortsighted" when in reality they've only been doing things that fit within their ability to do so. That nation (Iran) has essentially been waiting for a golden opportunity like this to come along. A chance to show the world that its weapons can do when used in a modern high-intensity. To what degree of effectiveness is yet to be seen though.

I'm not worried as to whether or not Iran can fulfill this request from Russia (if it's actually true). What I'm more worried about is whether or not Iran got something of value out of this.