Iran threatens American east coast

[Juice]

I've a question, let's assume that the US can defeat Iran not in three weeks but in three days. If so, for the last thirty years what has prevented the sole super power from attacking Iran? Please don't tell us that the US hasn't done so on humanitarian ground because that is like saying Hitler spared some Jews on Humanitarian ground!

We could waltz into Bangladesh on a slow afternoon...but we haven't. Why?

 

[Harry_Thomason]

CENTCOM is not some tabloid outlet. It is a professional military organization. When such an organization reveals information of sensitive nature, it is based on serious homework which is not made public.

Its US military organization, by default filled with bias and propaganda what concerns any so called enemy.

In the same way, do you blindly believe whatever Iran military says? No? Why not, if you blindly believe US, which is by far more filled with propaganda than Iran is.

US defeated Iraqi leadership and its security apparatus within 21 days (major combat operations). The rest is occupational period.

Iran is nothing like Iraq, in any shape or form.

Iranians are not mindless zombies. They are humans. They are as much susceptible to shock factor as other humans.

Shock factor works both ways. US havent seen massive losses since Vietnam days, what do you think Americans will say if their soldiers will be dying in hundreds of thousands? Iranians are ready to die in millions to defend their country, can you say that Americans will endorse massive losses for governments greedy geopolitical games? I doubt it.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

We could waltz into Bangladesh on a slow afternoon...but we haven't. Why?

Because you are very humane and peaceful.

 

[LeGenD]

Its US military organization, by default filled with bias and propaganda what concerns any so called enemy.

I find this claim ironic when Iranian military does even better on the propaganda front.

In the same way, do you blindly believe whatever Iran military says? No? Why not, if you blindly believe US, which is by far more filled with propaganda than Iran is.

US claims carry much more weight-age because US has accomplished lot more on military front then Iran. Iran simply pales in comparison.

Iran is nothing like Iraq, in any shape or form.

Iran is nothing special. WWI fighting tactics do not impress me.

Shock factor works both ways. US havent seen massive losses since Vietnam days, what do you think Americans will say if their soldiers will be dying in hundreds of thousands? Iranians are ready to die in millions to defend their country, can you say that Americans will endorse massive losses for governments greedy geopolitical games? I doubt it.

Keep on dreaming. Vietnam is thing of the past.

And read this: http://sa.rochester.edu/jur/issues/fall2007/chang.pdf

US have handled Iranian backed Iraqi resistance effort very well. Fallujah battle is just one example and a small part of the whole affair. However, I cited it due to its symbolic status.

In addition, human wave tactics are thing of the past. They were possible during times when lives were simple and computers and other forms of luxuries had not found their way in to homes of millions. And even if human wave tactics are somehow pulled off, they will not work against US. Read about US fight to reach Baghdad in 2003. Here is hint: Iraqi Fedayeen.

Because you are very humane and peaceful.

His point is absolutely valid.

Wars are not declared without political ambitions and motives.

US could have killed Gaddafi long ago. It did so recently. Why?

 

[Harry_Thomason]

We could waltz into Bangladesh on a slow afternoon...but we haven't. Why?

What about Bangladesh? Its cooperating with US, and while they dont have very close relationships, US doesnt really care either (only for support its other regional allies). Its not like US would pursue installing puppet regime for access to... rice? Potatoes? Efforts/benefits case, and Bangladesh isnt worth it.

Iran is different beast altogether. If you combine their oil/gas reserves, Iran has the biggest reserves in the World. Then we have a strategic location, big nation, its strong influence in the region, etc.

US is desperately trying to re-install its puppets in Iran, by all means necessary - heavy sanctions, throwing huge funds to instigate another fake "color revolution", or if all that wont work - military occupation, thats where we are heading now. It was already decided to attack Iran few decades ago (confirmed by US officials), but Iran is a tough nut to crack, therefore US havent dared to attack yet.

 

[Harry_Thomason]

I find this claim ironic when Iranian military does even better on the propaganda front.

You got it backwards - Iran definitely has propaganda, but its BY FAR lesser than MASSIVE propaganda US employs. Even nazis Goebbels is like a first-grader compared to US propaganda machine.

US claims carry much more weight-age because US has accomplished lot more on military front then Iran. Iran simply pales in comparison.

Claims like Iraq has nuclear weapons, or Iran is making them now? Yeah, we heard those and thousands of other fake claims by US. In military front US definitely is stronger, but against asymmetric forces power disparity suddenly isnt THAT great, hence sunken US fleet in Millennium Challenge 2002, Israel couldnt beat Hezbollah, etc.

Iran is nothing special. WWI fighting tactics do not impress me.

12th military in the World. Comparing current Iran to 1979 with no army is hardly wise.

Keep on dreaming. Vietnam is thing of the past.

Vietnam was like walk in the park compared to US loses if it attacks Iran. Surely Iran would suffer more than US, but they can take it defending their country, US cant.

US have handled Iranian backed Iraqi resistance effort very well. Fallujah battle is just one example and a small part of the whole affair. However, I cited it due to its symbolic status.

I already debunked it in the other thread - Iran's support was through soft-power (no Iran fighters or weapons traced to it in Iraq). Still Iran's influence achieved US expulsion from the Iraq, with no bases. Even US experts admitted Iran won over US in Iraq, without firing the shot.

 

[The SC]

Dear LeGenD

Iranians are not mindless zombies. They are humans. They are as much susceptible to shock factor as other humans.

When Iraq went in to Iran under the leadership of Saddam during 1980, it did not possessed the resources for occupational role. And their were no clear objectives. Had it been a capable military force in Iraq's place, led by a competent leadership; the outcome would have been very different. Both of these countries fought in WWI style and wasted lot of resources. You are impressed by this?

Operation Praying Mantis should have taught you something. However, it seems that guys like you will not be convinced until entire Iran gets bombed back to stone age.

If the Iranians are susceptible to shock, so does the Americans (or, are they superhuman as in the Hollywood movies?), since both have warfare experience, I do not think that the shock will be greater for the Iranians, quiet the contrary, The US will look, feel and sound like Israel against Hezbollah in Lebanon, but just on a bigger scale.

No Muslim or Arab (even Iraqis themselves- it is because of that war that Saddam lost his support amongst the Iraqis-) was impressed by the Iran /Iraq war or could even believe it was happening! Saddam listened too much to different western powers who had pretended to be helping him while they were playing ball with him, since his psychological profile was weak due to a low IQ, although he did good for Iraq and had good intentions for his people, he lacked the much needed shrewdness in world affairs.

Operation Praying Mantis happened while all the energy of Iran was directed towards Iraq, and had almost no Navy, I should add that Iran still managed to hurt the US.
I will not be convinced of American military power even if it says openly it will bomb Iran to stone age, since I know with enough certainty that the US will be sent to stone age, either before that or after its attempt at it.

The US propaganda had worked a heavy toll on your mind, but I am not blaming you, since they use every psychological dirty trick to influence people including subliminal messages and mind control techniques throughout the mass media and where ever they are.
This is only one of the thousand other reasons for what The US will be sent back to stone age sooner or later.

 

[LeGenD]

You got it backwards - Iran definitely has propaganda, but its BY FAR lesser than MASSIVE propaganda US employs. Even nazis Goebbels is like a first-grader compared to US propaganda machine.

Really? I don't think that US propaganda effort is leaving an impact on Iranian people.

Claims like Iraq has nuclear weapons, or Iran is making them now? Yeah, we heard those and thousands of other fake claims by US. In military front US definitely is stronger, but against asymmetric forces power disparity suddenly isnt THAT great, hence sunken US fleet in Millennium Challenge 2002, Israel couldnt beat Hezbollah, etc.

It isn't too hard to distinguish between propaganda and professional assessment.

And your faith in Millennium Challenge 2002 exercise is misplaced.

12th military in the World. Comparing current Iran to 1979 with no army is hardly wise.

Iranian military certainly would have learned some lessons from past experiences. But US have far better resume of experiences in comparison.

Vietnam was like walk in the park compared to US loses if it attacks Iran. Surely Iran would suffer more than US, but they can take it defending their country, US cant.

This is nationalistic claim. Sounds like a propaganda piece too.

I already debunked it in the other thread - Iran's support was through soft-power (no Iran fighters or weapons traced to it in Iraq). Still Iran's influence achieved US expulsion from the Iraq, with no bases. Even US experts admitted Iran won over US in Iraq, without firing the shot.

What soft power?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-weapons.html

And why did Iran gave shelter to Moqtada Al-Sadr?

You can thank Obama for leaving no military bases in Iraq. This decision was in accordance to his presidential mandate. No need to spin facts in to your favour. But US influence exists in some shape; Iraq is buying US weapons and has kept US embassy. The game is not over.

You got it backwards - Iran definitely has propaganda, but its BY FAR lesser than MASSIVE propaganda US employs. Even nazis Goebbels is like a first-grader compared to US propaganda machine.

Really? I don't think that US propaganda effort is leaving an impact on Iranian people.

Claims like Iraq has nuclear weapons, or Iran is making them now? Yeah, we heard those and thousands of other fake claims by US. In military front US definitely is stronger, but against asymmetric forces power disparity suddenly isnt THAT great, hence sunken US fleet in Millennium Challenge 2002, Israel couldnt beat Hezbollah, etc.

It isn't too hard to distinguish between propaganda and professional assessment.

12th military in the World. Comparing current Iran to 1979 with no army is hardly wise.

Iranian military certainly would have learned some lessons from past experiences. But US have far better resume of experiences in comparison.

Vietnam was like walk in the park compared to US loses if it attacks Iran. Surely Iran would suffer more than US, but they can take it defending their country, US cant.

This is nationalistic claim. Sounds like a propaganda piece too.

I already debunked it in the other thread - Iran's support was through soft-power (no Iran fighters or weapons traced to it in Iraq). Still Iran's influence achieved US expulsion from the Iraq, with no bases. Even US experts admitted Iran won over US in Iraq, without firing the shot.

What soft power?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-weapons.html

And why did Iran gave shelter to Muqtada Al-Sadr?

You can thank Obama for leaving no military bases in Iraq. This decision was in accordance to his presidential mandate. No need to spin facts in to your favour. But US influence exists in some shape; Iraq is buying US weapons and has kept US embassy. The game is not over.