Iran tests a Saegheh/Shafagh hybrid in wind tunnel !

[VEVAK]

You be surprise how many times aircraft like F-16 provides CAS. Advances in guided bombs and missiles pretty much make almost any aircraft able to provide CAS. And not to mention able to handle modern SAM systems that are a big threat to aircraft that flys too close.

YUP! + Modern tech allow for high altitude precision strikes & future of air warfare is that your not going to put a pilot at risk for CAS missions when you have drones and precision guided missiles that can do the job at a lower cost today computer processing power has reached to a point where smart phones and laptops of today have more processing power than the rockets that sent Neil Armstrong to the moon and back.

Iran today can produce UAV's armed with precision guided weapons that can take out a moving car while flying above the reach of AAA and Iran produces battlefield surface to surface missiles and artillery shells like the Bina & Basir that can hit targets with high precision from within 20km out & other precision guided tactical missiles & SRBM with ranges up to 300km with CEP of 10 ft ( being increased to 500km with Fateh-313) and that with a combination of MANPAD's, ATGM's & UCAV's basically removes the need for piloted aircraft for low altitude CAS missions.

The only type of support troops on a modern battlefield need is support against enemy aircrafts, UAV's & bombers and for that you need Air Superiority fighters & interceptors basically high speed aircrafts with low RCS armed with BVR missiles. And if your enemy is equipped with a low RCS aircrafts you'll need to be equipped with and get close enough so you can use your IRST to take him out

And yes every country with an Air Force needs trainers of all types you can't suddenly send a pilot that was flying a turboprop with a max speed of 300 mph suddenly into an aircraft like the F-5B or Simorgh with 3x that speed Iran needs something in between you 1st go into a jet powered subsonic aircraft and then into an advanced trainer like the F-5B and you slowly graduate upwards


But at the end in my opinion in terms of fighter jet any fighter that doesn't have BVR capability (+100km), IRST, Air-refueling capability, a max speed of Mach 1.6+, air to ground capability, low RCS or jamming capability & at least a limited defense against EMP's is not a fighter worth investing in whether to mass produce or purchase. And I believe Iran needs to continue with various types of fighter projects and test various types of prototype until they get it right

 

[VEVAK]

Rather than two small engines in pictures here a single large engine would expose less engine parts having Y type of inlets on each side and single engine at the back like Jf 17.

The one that has single chin intake like f16 and V tail on the first page exposes engine blades as well. But not big deal if you have dsi technology acquired to create bumps at the inlet both not exposing inlet and getting rid of other heavier stuff that adjusts air flow to engine. There are pictures in the net about lockheeds experiments with f16 like in the link below.

http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2010_f16_dsi_02_1267828237_7281.jpg

For a country like Iran light single engine aircrafts are a mistake and a waist of time.

1st Iran does not yet have the tools &facilities to mass produce (24 per year) a fighters jet of any type and at the end of the day a single F-14 is far more valuable 6-8 F-5's, Azarakhsh or Saegheh fighter that Iran can produce per year.

U.S. built the F-16 because unlike the F-15 & F-14 it was a fighter they wouldn't mind selling much like the F-35 is today. The U.S. F-22 is far superior aircraft but the U.S. has banned it's export. The F-16 just as the F-35 was a joint project and the F-35 just as the F-16 is a fighter the U.S. doesn't mind selling and guess what! they are both single engine fighters.

Putting 2 stabilizers on a single engine creates too much drag and that is why you don't see that many single engine aircrafts with 2 stabilizers + the F-35's engine produces 43,000 lbf of thrust and it still can't go past Mach 1.6 that's more thrust than the MiG-29 (37,000 lbf Mach 2.2) and a little under the combined thrust of an F-15 (46,000 lbf / Mach 2.5)
or even more than the Europhighters (40,000 lbf Mach 2)

So if you wanna go up against next gen fighters you need at least 40k lbf and it's a lot easier, more effective to get that with 2 engines than with one and 2 engines increases survivability....

 

[vizier]

That is a reason to reduce drag for next generation fighters to be tailless by adding tvc to the engine nozzles like the X31 project modifying the f16.

As you see there is no need for Russian type advanced tvc but 3 panels at the nozzle are enough with 90s technology and experimentation.f18 was also tested with tvc

Tvc also has the benefit of extremely short landing by adjusting the nose angle of the plane up almost vertical to brake speed and just before landing and nose down horizontal again just before touch down with minimal speed which is invaluable when you are using shorter highways which smaller fighters can use easily instead of airbases or if runways are damaged and partly usable.

Another advantage of tailless design is vhf and long wavelength radars get tail resonance as reflection even it is V tail and removing that part increases stealth further.

 

[Oldman1]

YUP! + Modern tech allow for high altitude precision strikes & future of air warfare is that your not going to put a pilot at risk for CAS missions when you have drones and precision guided missiles that can do the job at a lower cost today computer processing power has reached to a point where smart phones and laptops of today have more processing power than the rockets that sent Neil Armstrong to the moon and back.

Iran today can produce UAV's armed with precision guided weapons that can take out a moving car while flying above the reach of AAA and Iran produces battlefield surface to surface missiles and artillery shells like the Bina & Basir that can hit targets with high precision from within 20km out & other precision guided tactical missiles & SRBM with ranges up to 300km with CEP of 10 ft ( being increased to 500km with Fateh-313) and that with a combination of MANPAD's, ATGM's & UCAV's basically removes the need for piloted aircraft for low altitude CAS missions.

The only type of support troops on a modern battlefield need is support against enemy aircrafts, UAV's & bombers and for that you need Air Superiority fighters & interceptors basically high speed aircrafts with low RCS armed with BVR missiles. And if your enemy is equipped with a low RCS aircrafts you'll need to be equipped with and get close enough so you can use your IRST to take him out

And yes every country with an Air Force needs trainers of all types you can't suddenly send a pilot that was flying a turboprop with a max speed of 300 mph suddenly into an aircraft like the F-5B or Simorgh with 3x that speed Iran needs something in between you 1st go into a jet powered subsonic aircraft and then into an advanced trainer like the F-5B and you slowly graduate upwards


But at the end in my opinion in terms of fighter jet any fighter that doesn't have BVR capability (+100km), IRST, Air-refueling capability, a max speed of Mach 1.6+, air to ground capability, low RCS or jamming capability & at least a limited defense against EMP's is not a fighter worth investing in whether to mass produce or purchase. And I believe Iran needs to continue with various types of fighter projects and test various types of prototype until they get it right

Yep, drones is something becoming more and more emphasis on in the future. Just recently the test on AI where drones defeated a human pilot who is very experienced. Not to mention able to use drones to swarm enemy air defenses and even act as a jammer or even act like a real plane forcing the enemy to expend missiles on targets that don't exist or easily expendable.


http://www.popsci.com/ai-pilot-beats-air-combat-expert-in-dogfight
A.I. Downs Expert Human Fighter Pilot In Dogfight Simulation

 

[Pappu Yaar]

Iran tests a Saegheh/Shafagh hybrid in wind tunnel !

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What about Qaher 313

 

[mohsen]

What about Qaher 313

The correct title should be Iran tested X.
And you will hear about Qaher again in less than an year.

 

[SOHEIL]

What about Qaher 313

Will see...

 

[SOHEIL]

https://defence.pk/threads/iranian-shafaq-jet-trainer-nears-testing.462937/

 

[Hassan Guy]

Are they actually building the Qaheer 313? Whats its role?

 

[SOHEIL]

Are they actually building the Qaheer 313? Whats its role?

Experimental

 

[Hassan Guy]

Experimental

.....thats it?