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Iran seized two Greek tankers in response of seizure of iranian tanker by USA + Greece.
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We know your arrogant behavior, after all you can not talk to someone who thinks that his country is still ...... empire. When he imagines that he has power, because he captured two merchant ships via military opetation, then you leave him in his utopia, until he destroys himself.
I do not know what kind of history you are learning in Iran, it is good to start reading more reliable sources, because you have confused timelines, action schedules, situations and ..... even circumstances.
E.g. there was no Greece as a single administrative state at that time to ask for help from the ..... Persians.
When most of europe were still cavemen... The persian empire created by Cyrus the great was the biggest political state ever known, and still to this day one of the greatest in human history. Especially if considering the civilized world..
What is greeks biggest achievement in their history that they cant stop bragging about? A macedonian general took advantage of internal turmoil/ political incompetence in Iran and defeated the royal army.
I just dont understand the logic here. The Persian empire was a massive great empire for hundreds of years. One of your generals defeats them once, and they quickly crumble and go back to being slaves for centuries. Yet the greeks think they are superior and more advanced? based off this 1 victory? How does that work?
Alexander was another atilla the hun, celebrated by the west as some great empire builder. The greeks were ants infront of persians. You were never taken seriously as a threat, and seen more as a nuisance pirates (irony) who stole Iranian ships around anatolia region which led to the wrath of Darius/khashayar. Athens was burned to the ground.
After Alexander the greek threat was taken more seriously. And for the next hundreds of years the greeks could never ever solve Iranian heavy cavalry, who would slaughter roman/greek heavy infantry for fun... Roman generals were terrified of them.
Iran made the same mistake with the arabs... Never took them seriously as a threat, combined with internal turmoil. Though the arabs in fairness actually built an empire... The greeks have achieved nothing.
What is greeks biggest achievement in their history that they cant stop bragging about? A macedonian general took advantage of internal turmoil/ political incompetence in Iran and defeated the royal army.
I just dont understand the logic here. The Persian empire was a massive great empire for hundreds of years. One of your generals defeats them once, and they quickly crumble and go back to being slaves for centuries. Yet the greeks think they are superior and more advanced? based off this 1 victory? How does that work?
Alexander was another atilla the hun, celebrated by the west as some great empire builder. The greeks were ants infront of persians. You were never taken seriously as a threat, and seen more as a nuisance pirates (irony) who stole Iranian ships around anatolia region which led to the wrath of Darius/khashayar. Athens was burned to the ground.
After Alexander the greek threat was taken more seriously. And for the next hundreds of years the greeks could never ever solve Iranian heavy cavalry, who would slaughter roman/greek heavy infantry for fun... Roman generals were terrified of them.
Iran made the same mistake with the arabs... Never took them seriously as a threat, combined with internal turmoil. Though the arabs in fairness actually built an empire... The greeks have achieved nothing.
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Look like Greece is playing the fool and backing Israel on contested Lebanon Karish Gaz field, another slap is coming soon 
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Greece says extraction vessel in Lebanon gas field is privately owned
hello world this is a new article
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Maritime dispute between Israel and Lebanon - World - Al-Ahram Weekly
Israeli activities in the Karish gas field have drawn renewed attention to the maritime border dispute between Israel and Lebanon.
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Israel Moves Gas Vessel to Karish Field in Move Angering Lebanon
Israel has moved a production vessel to a natural gas field that’s partly claimed by Lebanon, as the Israeli government looks to boost supplies of the fuel to Europe.
www.bloomberg.com
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What are you talking about? Our biggest achievement where? Militarily? Or in terms of civilization? What exactly are you questioning?
Both the Greek City-States and Kingdoms and the Persian Empire were highly sophisticated civilizations for their time. Persia was a massive Empire,something akin to USA in the 80's and 90's. What are we even comparing? The Greeks were divided into different States. They had different alliances and interests.
But why is it so hard to believe that you were defeated in the Persian Wars and later conquered by Alexander?
Thousands of years of Persian history,why is it so hard to admit these instances? It's not like they lasted for centuries.
Besides,the last time we fought were in the early middle-ages. After then,we've had good relations.
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I love this "puck" cartoon..1902 ...we are cool with Greece...things moving in the right direction...
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@Foinikas .. i have a little story to tell...there is a small Greek resurant very popular with people on this Canadian town that I live...I go there for breakfast..Owner is Nick...and he knows I am Persian origin..Nick is the most politically aware person I have ever met.. His political views will blow your mind ..He always praise the actions of Iran against the enemies of Iran when ever he gets a chance to sit with me ( not naming the enemies but you can guess)..next time I will ask him about this ship incident..I am sure he has his sources and his views will be interesting..
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It makes sense. Also,the Shia are closer to the Orthodox in some ways. It's no wonder Shia militias protected Orthodox communities and churches in Syria. But of course,for some,these are "evil terrerist who help butcher Essad"
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This article showed how the greek government suddenly changed its mind about allowing the us to steal a cargo of iranian oil from an impounded russian flagged tanker,and instead detained one of the us chartered ships that was supposed to carry part of the cargo of stolen oil back to the us.
Interestingly these developments only happened after iran seized two greek owned tankers,funny that,eh?
So ultimately it was the us,not iran,who was the one that was out of pocket after chartering two panamax tankers that had to return empty.
https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL1141163/Greece-prevaricates-over-Iran-crude-seizure-as-diplomatic-storm-erupts
08 Jun 2022
GREECE has temporarily blocked two shipments of Iranian crude seized by the US amid faltering diplomatic negotiations over the return of two Greek tankers seized by Iran last month.
Piraeus port state control officials detained the Dynacom-owned tanker Ice Energy (IMO: 9301732) on June 3 following an inspection apparently at the request of Greece’s ministry of maritime affairs.
The vessel is the first of two panamaxes operated by Dynacom Tankers chartered by the US Department of Justice to carry a cargo of Iranian crude seized by the US to New York.
It is laden with about half of the cargo that is to be transferred from the Russia-flagged tanker Lana (IMO: 9256860), after a Greek district court in Chalkida upheld the US application.
Lloyd’s List has been told that inspectors’ observations related to matters covered by Ice Energy’s ISM certification, making it a matter for Bureau Veritas rather than ABS, the society classing the tanker.
However, shipowner George Prokopiou, the founder of Dynacom, told Lloyd’s List that he was left “upset” by the turn of events.
The detention was “100% political” and resulted from inspectors being ordered to find issues that would justify preventing the tanker from sailing, he said.
The owner dismissed observations cited in the port state control report as “stupidities.”
According to Mr Prokopiou, Dynacom has subsequently obtained all necessary certificates from BV, ABS and the Liberia flag to enable Ice Energy to sail.
A second Dynacom tanker, Ice Victory (IMO: 9301744), was due to load the remaining cargo from Lana via a ship-to-ship transfer, but that has also been blocked pending a legal review. It has been anchored next to Lana since June 1.
The DoJ initially seized the cargo on board the Lana in mid-May on the basis that the 107,000 tonnes of Iranian crude were sanctioned by the US.
Working in co-operation with the Greek government, US authorities had chartered two tankers — Ice Energy and Ice Victory — from Dynacom to transfer the oil and ship it to an undisclosed US port, thought to be Houston.
However, that operation was interrupted when two Greek oil tankers were seized on May 27 in international waters by Iranian military personnel while navigating through the Middle East Gulf.
The suezmaxes Delta Poseidon (IMO: 9468671) and Prudent Warrior (IMO: 9753545), both under the Greece flag, were subsequently taken to Iranian waters where they are have been anchored north of Qeshm Island with 49 crew on board ever since.
While Iranian authorities initially cast the seizure as an intervention responding to unspecified maritime violations, statements made since the seizure have made clear that the tankers were taken in response to the US seizure of oil from the Lana.
Speaking on June 4 Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei confirmed that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps seized two Greek oil tankers in retaliation for the US confiscation of the Iranian crude on board a tanker detained off Greece over a month ago, saying Iran’s actions did not amount to theft.
“Some time ago, the Greek government stole some of our country’s oil due to an order from the Americans,” Khamenei was quoted as saying on his personal website. “But when the self-sacrificing, valiant soldiers of the Islamic Republic confiscated the enemy’s ship carrying oil, they accused Iran of theft through their extensive propaganda machines. But it was them who had stolen our oil. Taking back something that had been stolen is not an act of theft.”
With Lana detained in Greek waters and the US transfer of oil to Ice Energy and Ice Victory incomplete, diplomatic negotiations between Washington, Athens and Tehran appear to have stalled. US lawyers with direct knowledge of the situation have told Lloyd’s List that they expect the delays to be resolved “within a matter of days”.
The DoJ has not yet publicly admitted to the seizure of the oil and a spokesman told Lloyd’s List that no comment would be made on the operation.
The Greek government has come under pressure from the opposition party Syriza to publish details of the legal basis of the government’s acceding to a US application to seize the Iranian oil cargo off the Lana. The Greek authorities detained the vessel in April after it anchored off Karystos, a port on the island of Evia.
Athens has said it is doing everything possible on the diplomatic front to ensure that the two Greek tankers that were snatched in the Gulf — Polembros Shipping’s Prudent Warrior and Delta Tankers’ Delta Poseidon — are freed.
The government had “changed its mind” about the Iranian oil bound for the US, Mr Prokopiou suggested. “We are caught in the middle, but this is not the way to do it,” he said, adding that while Ice Energy was ready to sail, “which destination it will be for and where the oil will be delivered, I don’t know”.
The Ice Victory had been waiting to receive the second part of the Lana’s cargo off Karystos. “Very simply, it is not going to load unless this issue is resolved,” he said.
Interestingly these developments only happened after iran seized two greek owned tankers,funny that,eh?
So ultimately it was the us,not iran,who was the one that was out of pocket after chartering two panamax tankers that had to return empty.
https://lloydslist.maritimeintelligence.informa.com/LL1141163/Greece-prevaricates-over-Iran-crude-seizure-as-diplomatic-storm-erupts
Greece prevaricates over Iran crude seizure as diplomatic storm erupts
Shipment of a confiscated Iranian oil cargo to the US has met days of delay as the government in Athens mulls its next move in efforts to free two Greek tankers recently snatched by Iran in retaliation
08 Jun 2022
GREECE has temporarily blocked two shipments of Iranian crude seized by the US amid faltering diplomatic negotiations over the return of two Greek tankers seized by Iran last month.
Piraeus port state control officials detained the Dynacom-owned tanker Ice Energy (IMO: 9301732) on June 3 following an inspection apparently at the request of Greece’s ministry of maritime affairs.
The vessel is the first of two panamaxes operated by Dynacom Tankers chartered by the US Department of Justice to carry a cargo of Iranian crude seized by the US to New York.
It is laden with about half of the cargo that is to be transferred from the Russia-flagged tanker Lana (IMO: 9256860), after a Greek district court in Chalkida upheld the US application.
Lloyd’s List has been told that inspectors’ observations related to matters covered by Ice Energy’s ISM certification, making it a matter for Bureau Veritas rather than ABS, the society classing the tanker.
However, shipowner George Prokopiou, the founder of Dynacom, told Lloyd’s List that he was left “upset” by the turn of events.
The detention was “100% political” and resulted from inspectors being ordered to find issues that would justify preventing the tanker from sailing, he said.
The owner dismissed observations cited in the port state control report as “stupidities.”
According to Mr Prokopiou, Dynacom has subsequently obtained all necessary certificates from BV, ABS and the Liberia flag to enable Ice Energy to sail.
A second Dynacom tanker, Ice Victory (IMO: 9301744), was due to load the remaining cargo from Lana via a ship-to-ship transfer, but that has also been blocked pending a legal review. It has been anchored next to Lana since June 1.
The DoJ initially seized the cargo on board the Lana in mid-May on the basis that the 107,000 tonnes of Iranian crude were sanctioned by the US.
Working in co-operation with the Greek government, US authorities had chartered two tankers — Ice Energy and Ice Victory — from Dynacom to transfer the oil and ship it to an undisclosed US port, thought to be Houston.
However, that operation was interrupted when two Greek oil tankers were seized on May 27 in international waters by Iranian military personnel while navigating through the Middle East Gulf.
The suezmaxes Delta Poseidon (IMO: 9468671) and Prudent Warrior (IMO: 9753545), both under the Greece flag, were subsequently taken to Iranian waters where they are have been anchored north of Qeshm Island with 49 crew on board ever since.
While Iranian authorities initially cast the seizure as an intervention responding to unspecified maritime violations, statements made since the seizure have made clear that the tankers were taken in response to the US seizure of oil from the Lana.
Speaking on June 4 Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei confirmed that Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps seized two Greek oil tankers in retaliation for the US confiscation of the Iranian crude on board a tanker detained off Greece over a month ago, saying Iran’s actions did not amount to theft.
“Some time ago, the Greek government stole some of our country’s oil due to an order from the Americans,” Khamenei was quoted as saying on his personal website. “But when the self-sacrificing, valiant soldiers of the Islamic Republic confiscated the enemy’s ship carrying oil, they accused Iran of theft through their extensive propaganda machines. But it was them who had stolen our oil. Taking back something that had been stolen is not an act of theft.”
With Lana detained in Greek waters and the US transfer of oil to Ice Energy and Ice Victory incomplete, diplomatic negotiations between Washington, Athens and Tehran appear to have stalled. US lawyers with direct knowledge of the situation have told Lloyd’s List that they expect the delays to be resolved “within a matter of days”.
The DoJ has not yet publicly admitted to the seizure of the oil and a spokesman told Lloyd’s List that no comment would be made on the operation.
The Greek government has come under pressure from the opposition party Syriza to publish details of the legal basis of the government’s acceding to a US application to seize the Iranian oil cargo off the Lana. The Greek authorities detained the vessel in April after it anchored off Karystos, a port on the island of Evia.
Athens has said it is doing everything possible on the diplomatic front to ensure that the two Greek tankers that were snatched in the Gulf — Polembros Shipping’s Prudent Warrior and Delta Tankers’ Delta Poseidon — are freed.
The government had “changed its mind” about the Iranian oil bound for the US, Mr Prokopiou suggested. “We are caught in the middle, but this is not the way to do it,” he said, adding that while Ice Energy was ready to sail, “which destination it will be for and where the oil will be delivered, I don’t know”.
The Ice Victory had been waiting to receive the second part of the Lana’s cargo off Karystos. “Very simply, it is not going to load unless this issue is resolved,” he said.
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Iranian tanker reloading oil in Greece that was confiscated by U.S. - sources
Iranian tanker reloads oil confiscated by U.S. in Greece
An Iranian-flagged tanker is reloading oil confiscated in April by the United States after Greek authorities approved the release of the cargo, Iran's embassy in Athens and sources familiar with the matter said on Friday.
Iran-flag tanker at centre of bitter legal row starts reloading oil seized in Greece
About 56,000 tons of crude originally removed at behest of the US is returning to its owners
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A robbery by the US that went terribly wrong...lots of money spent for no good reason.Iranian tanker reloading oil in Greece that was confiscated by U.S. - sources
Iranian tanker reloads oil confiscated by U.S. in Greece
An Iranian-flagged tanker is reloading oil confiscated in April by the United States after Greek authorities approved the release of the cargo, Iran's embassy in Athens and sources familiar with the matter said on Friday.www.reuters.com
Iran-flag tanker at centre of bitter legal row starts reloading oil seized in Greece
About 56,000 tons of crude originally removed at behest of the US is returning to its ownerswww.tradewindsnews.com
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While Alexander campaigned north, the Thebans and Athenians rebelled once again. Alexander immediately headed south.[61] While the other cities again hesitated, Thebes decided to fight. The Theban resistance was ineffective, and Alexander razed the city and divided its territory between the other Boeotian cities. The end of Thebes cowed Athens, leaving all of Greece temporarily at peace.[61] Alexander then set out on his Asian campaign, leaving Antipater as regent.[62]
Alexander the Great - Wikipedia
In Artaxerxes' later years, Philip II of Macedon's power was increasing in Greece, where he tried to convince the Greeks to revolt against the Achaemenid Empire. His activities were opposed by Artaxerxes, and with his support, the city of Perinthus resisted a Macedonian siege.
Artaxerxes III - Wikipedia
In late August/late September 338 BC, the court eunuch and chiliarch (hazahrapatish) Bagoas orchestrated the poisoning and subsequent death of Artaxerxes III through the latters own physician.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artaxerxes_III#cite_note-42[41][42] Artaxerxes III's early death proved to be a problematic issue for Persia,[5] and may have played a role in the weakening of the country.[43] The majority of Artaxerxes III's sons, with the exception of Arses and Bisthanes, were also murdered by Bagoas.[5] Bagoas, acting as kingmaker, put the young Arses (Artaxerxes IV) on the throne.[5][43][44]
Im sure they are paying the oil price with Greece people tax money ...
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Wrong!
These beggar Greeks do not pay even 1 euro in tax. All they know is to borrow from Germany and cry and not pay and borrow again and cry again and not pay again etc etc.
This vicious cycle will continue until the sucker German taxpayers wake up.
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Hard agree. One of the conditions for Greece to receive loans is they have to spend a portion of the money buying arms from Germany and Berlin uses this chip to blackmail them to the hilt.
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