Iran seals deals to buy 40 Sukhoi SuperJets

[gambit]

Once here I counted airplane accident in iran after revolutions and let just say russian airplane accidents were less than western ones.

And we are sure you are speaking from extensive personal experience as an airlines mishap investigator.

 

[Hack-Hook]

And we are sure you are speaking from extensive personal experience as an airlines mishap investigator.

No I just counted the number of airplanes that had accident and then Googled the origin of airplane.

But I guess you knew it won't tell so much about the safety of the planes itself as many of the planes were leased planes that let just say had maintenance problem.

 

[gambit]

No I just counted the number of airplanes that had accident and then Googled the origin of airplane.

But I guess you knew it won't tell so much about the safety of the planes itself as many of the planes were leased planes that let just say had maintenance problem.

Statistically speaking...What is the ratio of US vs Russia in terms of civilian aviation? If all you did was count and googled, you failed first yr statistics.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Statistically speaking...What is the ratio of US vs Russia in terms of civilian aviation? If all you did was count and googled, you failed first yr statistics.

That's interesting part .
Right now all the accident are western planes because after the accident with leased Russian planes they don't use them anymore.

 

[Fafnir]

Don't you think one reason nobody order that airplane is because of higher maintenance cost and lack of the required standards when it come to engine also let not talk about higher fuel consumption .
All these can translate to up to 500000 dollar higher maintenance per year .


If I recall correctly Airbus a320 also had the same accident in its first flight.
By the way didn't that crash in mountain was because of the pilot distraction.

How many russian planes fall off the skies in Iran? The accident rate is attrocious.


Friend, they dont even fly these overseas any more. Last time I saw this was in Cuba operated by cubanair

If you`d bothered to actually read my post you would have seen that I was talking about the modernised Il96-400m not the older Il96-300s that cubana operates.The simple fact of the matter is that of course it would be just peachy keen IF iran could buy the latest brand spanking new airbus and boeings,but sadly with the rise of the trumpists and their ilk and the europeans once again trying to eat their cake and have it too with regards to iran,its seems less and less likely that these deals will ever go through,so iran in my humble opinion would be very,very wise indeed to start to consider viable alternatives such as the modernised Il96-400m and the Tu204sm.
Indeed it may interest you to know that about a decade ago back during ahmadinejads tenure as president of iran it looked very likely that iran would be buying the Tu204sm with at least 20 on order and probably more to follow,however the sticking point proved to be the supply of the Ps-90a2 turbofan engines and since these contained more than a certain percentage of western components they required western approval,in theory anyway tho since at that time russia and the west were still bestest friends forever[lol!] russia wasnt going to cause any problems with the west over it so the deal of course fell apart,but apparently the russians did learn some belated lessons of the risks of doing business with western companies and also still held out at least some level of hope of a possible deal in the future as they produced the Ps-90a3 with no western sourced components in it.

 

[denel]

If you`d bothered to actually read my post you would have seen that I was talking about the modernised Il96-400m not the older Il96-300s that cubana operates.The simple fact of the matter is that of course it would be just peachy keen IF iran could buy the latest brand spanking new airbus and boeings,but sadly with the rise of the trumpists and their ilk and the europeans once again trying to eat their cake and have it too with regards to iran,its seems less and less likely that these deals will ever go through,so iran in my humble opinion would be very,very wise indeed to start to consider viable alternatives such as the modernised Il96-400m and the Tu204sm.
Indeed it may interest you to know that about a decade ago back during ahmadinejads tenure as president of iran it looked very likely that iran would be buying the Tu204sm with at least 20 on order and probably more to follow,however the sticking point proved to be the supply of the Ps-90a2 turbofan engines and since these contained more than a certain percentage of western components they required western approval,in theory anyway tho since at that time russia and the west were still bestest friends forever[lol!] russia wasnt going to cause any problems with the west over it so the deal of course fell apart,but apparently the russians did learn some belated lessons of the risks of doing business with western companies and also still held out at least some level of hope of a possible deal in the future as they produced the Ps-90a3 with no western sourced components in it.

I did read...
They will allow boeing to sell not to worry; one thing is clear, if you dangle $$ under TIT, he gets drooling in mouth. Plus it is for boeing's benefit to create more jobs. it will happen no worries; i would stay way clear of russian passenger jets anyway.

 

[Fafnir]

I did read...
They will allow boeing to sell not to worry; one thing is clear, if you dangle $$ under TIT, he gets drooling in mouth. Plus it is for boeing's benefit to create more jobs. it will happen no worries; i would stay way clear of russian passenger jets anyway.

I certainly hope you`re right on that score,but things like this do not make me very confident.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eliveries-eases-output-concerns-idUSKBN1HW2A3

 

[denel]

I certainly hope you`re right on that score,but things like this do not make me very confident.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eliveries-eases-output-concerns-idUSKBN1HW2A3

lets see time will tell.

 

[gambit]

That's interesting part .
Right now all the accident are western planes because after the accident with leased Russian planes they don't use them anymore.

So when we fly more and have more mishaps, that means our planes are junk compares to Russian planes even though they fly less. I guess statistics are not taught very well and very much in Iran.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So when we fly more and have more mishaps, that means our planes are junk compares to Russian planes even though they fly less. I guess statistics are not taught very well and very much in Iran.

what about when you lease an airplane that has already 25 years old and its not overhauled in last 6 years or more ,if it crash does it means that type of airplane is bad.
more importantly if you fly a plane twice a week and another type twice a day if the second one have more crash does it means that was a bad plane.

its how aviation industry worked in Iran when those Russian airplanes had so much accident.

 

[pin gu]

I think Mahan air will shape future of our aviation industry as IranAir tried and failed now its time to stay aside and watch Mahan's movements .

By the way acquiring this class of aircrafts is not the problem I wonder when we are going to get those Airbus and boeing which can be used in transAtlantic flights, boeing seems don't want to sell them to us ,if Airbus also find cold feet the only option open to us would be illyushin 96.

I'm more interested to see what will happen in newer versions of SSJ100/130 that our Russian friends promised higher range and more fuel efficiency in it .

 

[Hack-Hook]

I think Mahan air will shape future of our aviation industry as IranAir tried and failed now its time to stay aside and watch Mahan's movements .



I'm more interested to see what will happen in newer versions of SSJ100/130 that our Russian friends promised higher range and more fuel efficiency in it .

I read SSJ100R is what they are buying,well that's good for regional jet but its still a regional jet ,we need something to replace Boeing 747s and we need that soon .now if Airbus decide it don't want to gave us those planes(they already said delivery may take longer than what previously estimated)
by the way as I understand the difference between SSJ100 and SSJ100R s the first one use 40-45% Russian component and the second one use up to 60% Russian components.

 

[pin gu]

I read SSJ100R is what they are buying,well that's good for regional jet but its still a regional jet ,we need something to replace Boeing 747s and we need that soon .now if Airbus decide it don't want to gave us those planes(they already said delivery may take longer than what previously estimated)
by the way as I understand the difference between SSJ100 and SSJ100R s the first one use 40-45% Russian component and the second one use up to 60% Russian components.

Flight time from Beijing to Tehran is 8 hours 25 minutes. Distance from Beijing to Tehran is approximately 5620 kilometers.

The calculated flying distance from London to Tehran is equal to 2733 miles which is equal to 4398 km. If you want to go by car, the driving distance between London and Tehran is 5491.6 km .

We need airliner which can cover our need for up to 6000 KM distance .(highly necessary)

SSJ100/130 is available .
Comac_C919 is coming ...
Irkut MC-21 is coming ...

For 6000 KM to 12000 Km travel : I think some airlines are changing their a330 into a350 so some of our airlines can easily get second hand a330s till next decade . all we need to do is just wait 10-15 years since China and Russia are coming into this market no more monopoly .

World is changing so fast and its not 1980 any more that our American friends can dominate this industry and out selling Boeing airplanes 5 times more than Airbus !

 

[Hack-Hook]

Flight time from Beijing to Tehran is 8 hours 25 minutes. Distance from Beijing to Tehran is approximately 5620 kilometers.

The calculated flying distance from London to Tehran is equal to 2733 miles which is equal to 4398 km. If you want to go by car, the driving distance between London and Tehran is 5491.6 km .

We need airliner which can cover our need for up to 6000 KM distance .(highly necessary)

SSJ100/130 is available .
Comac_C919 is coming ...
Irkut MC-21 is coming ...

For 6000 KM to 12000 Km travel : I think some airlines are changing their a330 into a350 so some of our airlines can easily get second hand a330s till next decade . all we need to do is just wait 10-15 years since China and Russia are coming into this market no more monopoly .

World is changing so fast and its not 1980 any more that our American friends can dominate this industry and out selling Boeing airplanes 5 times more than Airbus !

your calculation is wrong on one aspect
one of the must important rule in aviation is you never fly an airplane to its limit . just think what will happen if after reaching London and they tell you because of storm and low visibility and Zombie attack all airports in England are closed and you must rotate over england for one hours and after that 1 hours shit hit the fans and they tell you they found and alternate airport for you and you can land in Dublin ?
and don't forget SSj100 depend on the model has a range of 3000 to 4500km
and MC-21 will have a range of 6000-6500km so an Irkut MC-21 is acceptable for London but a SSJ100 will never be acceptable for that route ,you can use it for India , you can use it for Eastern Europe , you can use it for Middle east but never for east Asia or western europe , and those are the line we need invest in.
by the way a Comac C919 have a range between SSJ100 and Irkut MC-21 so I don' count it as suitable Airplane for East Asia specially Beijing or Tokyo maybe for Malaysia and Thailand .
we really need those A330 and A350 or 777 if we want to compete in those routes specially if we want to expand our routes to South Amrica

and by the way ,second hand Airplanes mean lower passenger trust and increased operation costs

 

[pin gu]

your calculation is wrong on one aspect
one of the must important rule in aviation is you never fly an airplane to its limit . just think what will happen if after reaching London and they tell you because of storm and low visibility and Zombie attack all airports in England are closed and you must rotate over england for one hours and after that 1 hours shit hit the fans and they tell you they found and alternate airport for you and you can land in Dublin ?
and don't forget SSj100 depend on the model has a range of 3000 to 4500km
and MC-21 will have a range of 6000-6500km so an Irkut MC-21 is acceptable for London but a SSJ100 will never be acceptable for that route ,you can use it for India , you can use it for Eastern Europe , you can use it for Middle east but never for east Asia or western europe , and those are the line we need invest in.
by the way a Comac C919 have a range between SSJ100 and Irkut MC-21 so I don' count it as suitable Airplane for East Asia specially Beijing or Tokyo maybe for Malaysia and Thailand .
we really need those A330 and A350 or 777 if we want to compete in those routes specially if we want to expand our routes to South Amrica

and by the way ,second hand Airplanes mean lower passenger trust and increased operation costs

Please correct if I'm wrong , maximum range of an airplane is higher than announced standard range for sake of emergency reasons .I don't have data for other part but I think 75% of our needs(let's put our interest in US market aside for political reasons) belongs to this under 6000 KM distance travel .

New engines for SSJ100 family :

The PW1200G engine is known for equipping Mitsubishi MRJ, a Japanese-made regional jet. The engine generates about 17,000 lbs power, close to the 18,000 lbs of the Russian-made PowerJet SaM146 engine that is currently powering Sukhoi SSJ100s.

Sukhoi also plans to offer SSJ100 with the Aviadvigatel PD-14 engine, which powers the MC-21, an engine aligned with next-generation technologies.

https://airlinerwatch.com/sukhoi-prepares-to-offer-ssj100-with-new-engine-options/

I heard a lot of good things about PD-14 engine

Russia’s PD-14 turbofan engine enters third phase of flight tests

Russian certification is expectetd in 2018, to be followed by EASA validation in 2019.

UEC says the PD-14 offers performance on a par with contemporary Western-built equivalents, and might even surpass them in some respects, such as noise and emissions

http://www.rusaviainsider.com/russias-pd-14-turbofan-engine-enters-third-phase-flight-tests