Iran says it has offered Pakistan and China participation in India's Chabahar project

[takeitwithyou]

You're wrong again, if the port is connect to CPEC, it will only be good for Iran to sell their oil and Gas to Pakistan and China via pipeline beside Ship load, Iran will be more competitive to Arabia or any other oil exporters of this regions but India will get nothing that is the fact.

they share a border and can sell their 'oil' without joining CPEC or Gwadar.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

they share a border and can sell their 'oil' without joining CPEC or Gwadar.

CPEC can extend all the way to Middle East nation by crossing Iran, Iranians will be able to collect transit fee and export their product to China via CPEC, it's win-win, only India is the loser out of this.

 

[takeitwithyou]

CPEC can extend all the way to Middle East nation by crossing Iran, Iranians will be able to collect transit fee and export their product to China via CPEC, it's win-win, only India is the loser out of this.

They don't need your CPEC. CPEC is Pakistan centric. So far CPEC has been a boondoggle at extremely high rates for Pakistan. Maybe the ministry of propaganda forgot to tell you, they offered you to join their Chabbar

 

[faithfulguy]

CPEC can extend all the way to Middle East nation by crossing Iran, Iranians will be able to collect transit fee and export their product to China via CPEC, it's win-win, only India is the loser out of this.

And India spend all these money on Chabahar port and China and Iran gain the benefit. On top of that Pakistan also gain a overflow port as well.

India diplomacy at its best.

 

[Basel]

Because unless they join they'll lose out. In the past month Afghanistan has reoriented 80% of its exports from Karachi to Chabahar: link

If Afghanistan switch from Pakistan to Iran for port use it's good for Pakistan as they are not friendly and use all opportunities and available resources against Pakistan.

 

[Jackdaws]

Help Iran sure but help India? what India has to offer in return?



lol most likely India will get screwed, If China and Pakistan take part of this port mean we will have leverage over India and counter Indian influence in Iran and certainly not at the expense of Gwadar port...I know you Indians are so envy that Gwadar fail but keep delude yourself



I have no doubt that you Indians are so obsessed with the strategic Gwadar port especially when China get involve. No matter how you curse this port, China and Pakistan will bless it to make it success under Indian jeoulous eyes



To make India irrelevant



You're wrong again, if the port is connect to CPEC, it will only be good for Iran to sell their oil and Gas to Pakistan and China via pipeline beside Ship load, Iran will be more competitive to Arabia or any other oil exporters of this regions but India will get nothing that is the fact.

So don't help. We pay you for your services. As it is most of what China offers is fairly low end.

 

[Tom M]

Help Iran sure but help India? what India has to offer in return?



lol most likely India will get screwed, If China and Pakistan take part of this port mean we will have leverage over India and counter Indian influence in Iran and certainly not at the expense of Gwadar port...I know you Indians are so envy that Gwadar fail but keep delude yourself



I have no doubt that you Indians are so obsessed with the strategic Gwadar port especially when China get involve. No matter how you curse this port, China and Pakistan will bless it to make it success under Indian jeoulous eyes



To make India irrelevant



You're wrong again, if the port is connect to CPEC, it will only be good for Iran to sell their oil and Gas to Pakistan and China via pipeline beside Ship load, Iran will be more competitive to Arabia or any other oil exporters of this regions but India will get nothing that is the fact.

A lot of If's, but's, can and will, huh ???

First complete your CPEC, then join Chabahar as you hope. Once any of the above is ever matearlized on ground, then go ahead and brag.

Otherwise all other tall claims and wishful thinking by you sounds more like mere delusions of a brain dead kid. LOL

Do you have any knowledge of port capacity of chahbahar vs Gwadar?

Gwadar is a natural deep sea port.

Chahbahar needs Gwadar to succeed so it can leech on the extra leftovers.

For the amount of resource and time you have. You should alteast make sound opinions.

And if you don't have the knowledge, Chabahar is a medium sea port, that doesn't mean it can't be made a deep sea port. FYI, with continuous dredging it can be easily made a deep sea port and the process is very much in progress.

In the first phase of the Shahid Beheshti Chabahar Port, 15 million cubic meters of dredging, 203 hectares of new land, 1,650 wavelength breakers, and the depth of the pond is 16 and 1.5 square meters.

http://dredgewire.com/article/6020/all-you-need-to-know-about-1st-phase-of-chabahar-port

P.S: If something is not available naturally, doesn't mean that it can't be achieved artificially with a little effort, money and time.

So, yes once Chabahar is dredged into a deep sea port it will be a challenge/competition to all nearby ports including Mumbai and Karachi, not just Gawadar alone.

 

[El Sidd]

And if you don't have the knowledge, Chabahar is a medium sea port, that doesn't mean it can't be made a deep sea port. FYI, with continuous dredging it can be easily made a deep sea port and the process is very much in progress.

In the first phase of the Shahid Beheshti Chabahar Port, 15 million cubic meters of dredging, 203 hectares of new land, 1,650 wavelength breakers, and the depth of the pond is 16 and 1.5 square meters.

http://dredgewire.com/article/6020/all-you-need-to-know-about-1st-phase-of-chabahar-port

P.S: If something is not available naturally, doesn't mean that it can't be achieved artificially with a little effort, money and time.

So, yes once Chabahar is dredged into a deep sea port it will be a challenge/competition to all nearby ports including Mumbai and Karachi, not just Gawadar alone.

Nobody is denying the Potential. But its just Potential.

Like the Port of Aden or in Somalia.

Just Potential

 

[BABA AGHORI]

If Afghanistan switch from Pakistan to Iran for port use it's good for Pakistan as they are not friendly and use all opportunities and available resources against Pakistan.

If that happens, all the CAR trade which was supposed to go to Gawadar will be shifted to chabahar. Gawadar had a huge potential but it is losing the battle on tables.

 

[Tom M]

Nobody is denying the Potential. But its just Potential.

Like the Port of Aden or in Somalia.

Just Potential

Yes, and the improvement of this potential alone was the reason for a 100,000 ton ship from India carrying wheat could dock at Chabahar last October. Yes, it's just another potential.

 

[Basel]

If that happens, all the CAR trade which was supposed to go to Gawadar will be shifted to chabahar. Gawadar had a huge potential but it is losing the battle on tables.

In your dreams man, because CAR are fed up with Afghanistan and that is why they have agreed to use CPEC via China.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

In your dreams man, because CAR are fed up with Afghanistan and that is why they have agreed to use CPEC via China.

Partially correct. CAR only needs to access Afg. if they want to have access to GAWADAR.. guess what, they do not need to touch AFG. to access Chabahar. Win - Win for CAR.

 

[Basel]

Partially correct. CAR only needs to access Afg. if they want to have access to GAWADAR.. guess what, they do not need to touch AFG. to access Chabahar. Win - Win for CAR.

Kindly speak about topic when you know what is happening on ground, CAR delegates are frequently visiting Pakistan and very much interested in CPEC and they have their issues with Iran and Afghanistan, later for security purposes, that is why China proposed use of it's territory which they were also interested as it's much safer and will provide rail, road and even pipeline connectivity.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Comparing mega project like Gwader with Chahbhar is like comparing suzuki alto with a mercedes. Such is the gap between the two ports and their prospective users. Forget Chahbhar, Gwader will leave Karachi, Mumbai etc all ports behind in few years time.

 

[Tom M]

Kindly speak about topic when you know what is happening on ground, CAR delegates are frequently visiting Pakistan and very much interested in CPEC and they have their issues with Iran and Afghanistan, later for security purposes, that is why China proposed use of it's territory which they were also interested as it's much safer and will provide rail, road and even pipeline connectivity.

Sure, but only once these "purposed" Rail and Road networks are build and fully operational, until then they have to rely upon traditional routes and as and alternative the "purposed" INSTC, which is gonna be fully operational in less than 6 months for sure.

Moreover, we have already reached an Agreement upon that, Ashgabat agreement.

Comparing mega project like Gwader with Chahbhar is like comparing suzuki alto with a mercedes. Such is the gap between the two ports and their prospective users. Forget Chahbhar, Gwader will leave Karachi, Mumbai etc all ports behind in few years time.

Apart from mere rhetoric and wishful thinking, can you please enlighten, exactly who Gawadar is supposed to replace Mumbai ???? LOL