Iran Protests - Irani Girls Burning Their Veils !!!

[SalarHaqq]

Usually, a riot like this is because there's foreign country involvement.

As usual, CIA.

Iran is a country where people are starved to death.

USA who is starving Iranian to death, and at the same time, USA supports starving Iranian to attack USA's enemy. USA will never let the enemy do their job right to make Iranian happy and full.

USA is the God of the World.

After being robbed, raped, the victim says thank you and praises the criminal!

Starved to death would be an exaggeration for Iranians are quite far from starving and their living standards remain above global average. But yes, the illegal sanctions imposed by Washington are having some impact on the Iranian economy.

However the constant propaganda, psy-ops and social engineering Iranians are getting bombarded with by the powers-to-be (chief among which the US and zionist regimes) certainly plays the biggest part in inciting a violent minority against the ruling political order and blinding these people as to the sinister ulterior motives pursued by their country's existential foreign enemies.

Simply put, no other nation in the world is subjected to this much propaganda, psy-ops and social engineering at the hands of hostile powers (powers which include the declining but still resourceful global hegemon). Also from a historical perspective, this soft war campaign against Iran is completely unprecedented in scope, intensity and underhandedness.

A couple of years ago, someone did a brief study comparing the output of various foreign language services of the UK regime's propaganda arm i.e. the BBC: it turned out that the Persian branch of the BBC was churning out not twice, not thrice but something like seven or eight times the number of "social media" posts that its Russian and Chinese (Mandarin) equivalents were producing. Imagine what this means, and what practical implications it is bound to have.

 

[sammuel]

Wikipedia, a biased source parroting the propagand

Sure problem with the source .

In 2022 , reporters without borders ranked you two places above North Korea when it comes to freedom of the press,

And this is the system you try to sell to the people here as :" Vivid and pluralistic " :

Sure . vivid and Vivid and pluralistic..

the agenda of the liberal camp is anti-constitutional and aims to overthrow the ruling system from within.

It is the aim of every opposition to change the government. If your constitution does not allow it , than there is indeed something very wrong with your constitution. And you call this a democracy ?

 

[SalarHaqq]

Sure problem with the source .

In 2022 , reporters without borders ranked you two places above North Korea when it comes to freedom of the press,

And this is the system you try to sell to the people here as :" Vivid and pluralistic " :

Sure . vivid and Vivid and pluralistic..

"Reporters Without Borders", please give me a break.

I provided concrete, detailed and documented facts. Whilst you're citing subjective, biased rankings by NGO's known to serve as a tool for the destructive foreign policy agendas of western imperialist regimes. By definition, the methodology behind these rankings can be called into question.

It is the aim of every opposition to change the government. If your constitution does not allow it , than there is indeed something very wrong with your constitution. And you call this a democracy ?

Sorry? Subverting the constitutional order or operating "regime change" on the one hand and merely seeking to gain control of the government in a electoral system of alternance on the other hand, are different matters. Let's not mix them up, shall we.

Any political opposition whose goal it is to subvert the constitutional order, in other terms the defining principles upon which the entire system rests, will face decisive obstacles in liberal so-called "democracies" of the west. At the strict minimum, such an opposition will be subjected to intense political surveillance, whilst oftentimes it will simply get outlawed by the judiciary, executive or legislative power. This is why in a regime like the German one, the domestic intelligence agency bears the name Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and its task is to spy on and marginalize any group engaging in anti-regime activity.

In liberal so-called "democracies", anti-constitutional opposition will never be allowed to form one of the main political camps running at elections and will thus never be allowed to be in charge of the government or to grab the majority in parliament, unlike what we see in Islamic Iran. In the USA for instance, both Republican and Democrat parties adhere to the regime's constitution and do not aim to uproot its founding principles from top to bottom. In Iran however, one of the two main contenders at elections (composed of reformists and moderates) does exactly that.

This is how pluralistic the Islamic Republic of Iran is. It has no equivalent anywhere in the west.

 

[_Nabil_]

I'll defer to you since you are Iranian and probably know more.

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I'm not Iranian, I'm Tunisian

 

[sammuel]

I provided concrete, detailed and documented facts. Whilst you're citing subjective, biased rankings=

Sure , the problem is with the source and not with how you killed free speech in Iran.

Don't know how you get the nerve to talk about freedom of the press when you have no less than 33 journalists locked in prison.

You know you don't have to imprison all the journalists , it is enough to throw a few into prison in order to silence the rest.

Iran steps up activist, journalist arrests in protest crackdown

Iran is stepping up arrests of activists and journalists in a crackdown against civil society as anti-regime protests rage nationwide, activists say.

sg.news.yahoo.com

And it is not just journalists . Your regime crack down on artists , filmmakers , bloggers , and anyone that voices it opinion against the regime.

One example out of many is Jafar Panahi :

Maybe you can explain to the people here , why the Award-winning Iranian film maker, Jafar Panahi, was sent to Evin prison for 6 years ?

Jafar Panahi: Acclaimed Iran film maker ordered to serve six years in jail

The arrest of acclaimed film maker Jafar Panahi had been condemned by the Cannes Film Festival.

www.bbc.com

And you have the nerve to call you system " Vivid and pluralistic " .

How vivid it can it be , when directors like Jafar Panahi are thrown into some hell hole in Evin prison . For no other reason but speaking their mind.

Sorry? Subverting the constitutional order or operating "regime change" on the one hand and merely seeking to gain control of the government in a electoral system of alternance on the other hand, are different matters. Let's not mix them up, shall we.

Any political opposition whose goal it is to subvert the constitutional order, in other terms the defining principles upon which the entire system rests, will face decisive obstacles in liberal so-called "democracies" of the west. At the strict minimum, such an opposition will be subjected to intense political surveillance, whilst oftentimes it will simply get outlawed by the judiciary, executive or legislative power. This is why in a regime like the German one, the domestic intelligence agency bears the name Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and its task is to spy on and marginalize any group engaging in anti-regime activity.

In liberal so-called "democracies", anti-constitutional opposition will never be allowed to form one of the main political camps running at elections and will thus never be allowed to be in charge of the government or to grab the majority in parliament, unlike what we see in Islamic Iran. In the USA for instance, both Republican and Democrat parties adhere to the regime's constitution and do not aim to uproot its founding principles from top to bottom. In Iran however, one of the two main contenders at elections (composed of reformists and moderates) does exactly that.

This is how pluralistic the Islamic Republic of Iran is. It has no equivalent anywhere in the west.

You can put in all the fancy words and long sentences you want , it would not change the fact that Iran is not a democracy.

Not when the One calling the shoots , the Supreme leader , is not elected and have not been replaced in 30 years.


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[gambit]

You can put in all the fancy words and long sentences you want , it would not change the fact that Iran is not a democracy.

Not when the One calling the shoots , the Supreme leader , is not elected and have not been replaced in 30 years.

The wordsmithing was impressive. Most Tik Tok era people would buy it.

 

[retaxis]

America is dissolving demographically and let millions of people live in homeless situations so they can fund iranian separatists and protests, so they can fund uighur and tibetan terrorists etc. When the blacks and hispanics take over America, America will be a peaceful nation once and for all. 2040 is when AMerica becomes minority majority! lets gooooo

 

[sammuel]

The wordsmithing was impressive. Most Tik Tok era people would buy it.

Thanks for noticing that too .

This is his trademark.

Long answers that say nothing but give the impression as if he is answering. I imagine people loose interest after a few lines and give up.

But his " best " fantasy work , is when he tries to prove Iran is a democracy .

You will see him throwing words around like : The Guardian council ,the Assembly of experts , hoping to confuse people who are not familiar with the Iranian system.

So lets spare us what is surely coming up in his next reply , and make this one clear in advance :


The Assembly of Experts, a group of 88 Islamic scholars, is also responsible for selecting Iran’s supreme leader.

( this is something he likes to parade as proof for democracy )

Yet he usually forgets to mention that :

all Assembly of Experts candidates , must be approved by the Guardian Council, whose members are appointed by the supreme leader.

You can imagine what " power " they have over the person responsible for their job . . .

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[gambit]

But his " best " fantasy work , is when he tries to prove Iran is a democracy .

The Assembly of Experts, a group of 88 Islamic scholars, is also responsible for selecting Iran’s supreme leader.

( this is something he likes to parade as proof for democracy )

Yet he usually forgets to mention that :

all Assembly of Experts candidates , must be approved by the Guardian Council, whose members are appointed by the supreme leader.

So to sum it up: The Supreme Leader appoint a claque who will approve him as the Supreme Leader. Poof => democracy.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Sure , the problem is with the source and not with how you killed free speech in Iran.

Don't know how you get the nerve to talk about freedom of the press when you have no less than 33 journalists locked in prison.

You know you don't have to imprison all the journalists , it is enough to throw a few into prison in order to silence the rest.

Iran steps up activist, journalist arrests in protest crackdown

Iran is stepping up arrests of activists and journalists in a crackdown against civil society as anti-regime protests rage nationwide, activists say.

sg.news.yahoo.com

And it is not just journalists . Your regime crack down on artists , filmmakers , bloggers , and anyone that voices it opinion against the regime.

One example out of many is Jafar Panahi :

Maybe you can explain to the people here , why the Award-winning Iranian film maker, Jafar Panahi, was sent to Evin prison for 6 years ?

Jafar Panahi: Acclaimed Iran film maker ordered to serve six years in jail

The arrest of acclaimed film maker Jafar Panahi had been condemned by the Cannes Film Festival.

www.bbc.com

This is all you can come up with? As expected, none of it is directly addressing the actual points you quoted.

So let me inform you, that none of this achieves to disprove the facts I reminded.

Given how the Islamic Republic of Iran does allow media to operate along a wide and contradictory spectrum of political standpoints (as proven above), and given how one of the two main political fronts authorized to compete at elections is nothing but a subversive enterprise designed to overthrow the entire system (again as shown above), it follows by logical deduction that the reason the above cited subjects have been sentenced by independent courts, has nothing to do with autocracy nor with alleged absence of freedom of speech.

It is therefore a consequences of breaches by these subjects against laws protecting national security and / or public order. Laws which every democracy, even those lagging behind Iran in terms of pluralism, have enacted. With the difference that none of them is facing the pressing and existential security challenges Iran has to compose with.

Not when the One calling the shoots , the Supreme leader , is not elected and have not been replaced in 30 years.

The Supreme Leader is chosen by the Assembly of Experts, which itself is directly elected by the Iranian people. The Leader is therefore indirectly elected by the citizens.

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Zio racist talking about freedom of press and Humain rights

Human rights lawyer in Israeli prison goes on hunger strike
Salah Hamouri stages protest against being imprisoned without charge for the last six months

Salah Hamouri giving an interview in the West Bank city of Ramallah in October 2020
Bethan McKernan Jerusalem correspondent
Wed 28 Sep 2022 16.38 BST
A prominent Palestinian-French human rights lawyer has gone on hunger strike in protest against his imprisonment without charge by Israeli authorities for the last six months.

Human rights lawyer in Israeli prison goes on hunger strike

Salah Hamouri stages protest against being imprisoned without charge for the last six months

www.theguardian.com

How many journalists your apartheid racist regime has killed "à sang froid"?

Observatory of Killed Journalists

Monitoring the killing of journalists and media workers across the globe.

en.unesco.org

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And they somehow want us to believe this journalist-killing apartheid regime's supposedly "democratic" while Islamic Iran isn't. Astonishing!

But this onto itself is enough for readers to gauge the credibility of the contentions leveled against Iran in here.

And contrary to some, we put trust in readers' intelligence if alone for the fact that it's so blatantly obvious.

 

[sammuel]

So to sum it up: The Supreme Leader appoint a claque who will approve him as the Supreme Leader. Poof => democracy.

LOL

As expected he pulled this nonsense again. He must have failed to read our conversation and jumped right to it :

The Supreme Leader is chosen by the Assembly of Experts, which itself is directly elected by the Iranian people. The Leader is therefore indirectly elected by the citizens.

As gambit summed it out your explanation , in an even shorter way than me :

" The Supreme Leader appoint a claque who will approve him as the Supreme Leader. Poof => democracy. "


As usual you forgot to mention that :

All Assembly of Experts candidates , must be approved by the Guardian Council, whose members are appointed by the supreme leader. How convenient for him.


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[SalarHaqq]

LOL

As expected he pulled this answer again. He must have failed to read our conversation and jumped right to it




As gambit summed it out your explanation , in an even shorter way than me :

" The Supreme Leader appoint a claque who will approve him as the Supreme Leader. Poof => democracy. "

As usual you forgot to mention that :

All Assembly of Experts candidates , must be approved by the Guardian Council, whose members are appointed by the supreme leader. How convenient for home.

First of all, this is not what your acolyte was claiming. They implied the Assembly of Experts is appointed by the Leader, which is untrue. The Assembly is directly and democratically elected by the people.

Second of all, you posted a blatant untruth as well. Only six out of twelve members of the Guardian Council, are appointed by the Supreme Leader. The other six are chosen by Majles (parliament), which in turn is democratically and directly elected by the people.

You ought to ditch this habit of trying to twist the facts and inject fallacies into them in order to serve the imperialist agenda of the powers-to-be. Because there are people around who tend to have higher standards of accuracy and will call out disinformation for what it is.

 

[sammuel]

Second of all, you posted a blatant untruth as well. Only six out of twelve members of the Guardian Council, are appointed by the Supreme Leader. The other six are chosen by Majles (parliament), which in turn is democratically and directly elected by the people.

Again you try to mislead people , by telling them half truths.

Out of the 12 members of the Guardian council - 6 are directly appointed by the Supreme leader.

The other 6 members are not " democratically chosen " by the Majlis, as you falsely tried to lie. All the Majlis can do is approve candidates presented to them.

So who nominates the other 6 members = the chief of justice.

And who appoints the the chief of justice = yehhh , you got that right = the supreme leader .


So to sum it up :

6 members are appointed by the supreme leader , the other 6 by the chief Justice - who is also appointed by the supreme leader.

So the Supreme controls 6 of them , and controls the person that nominates the other 6 .

And this you want to sell to the people here as : " democratically and directly elected by the people. "

Hope others here are not fooled by your misrepresentation .



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[SalarHaqq]

Again you try to mislead people , by telling them half truths.

Out of the 12 members of the Guardian council - 6 are directly appointed by the Supreme leader.

The other 6 members are not " democratically chosen " by the Majlis, as you falsely tried to lie. All the Majlis can do is approve candidates presented to them.

So who nominates the other 6 members = the chief of justice.

And who appoints the the chief of justice = yehhh , you got that right = the supreme leader .

The only one who distorted reality and used inaccurate terminology in this context is you.

1) You repeated several times the brazen untruth that Mir-Hossein Mousavi in 2009 was the last reformist candidate to run in an election in Iran. Whereas in actuality, not a single election was held since then without reformist candidates being allowed to run.

2) Then you made the factually erroneous assertion that the Guardian Council's members "are appointed by the Supreme Leader", full stop.

This is false: only six out of twelve Guardians are appointed by the Leader.

3) Misquoted me about the other six members of the Guardian Council. I never used the phrase "democratically chosen by Majles". Simply, "chosen by Majles" is what I wrote.

You even possess the nerve to claim I "falsely tried to lie" about this, while changing my words. Whereas what I posted is 100% accurate.

4) Contrary to your misrepresentation, Majles does have multiple options at its disposal: it can simply vote against any of the jurists nominated by the Chief Justice. And anyone Majles votes against, will not gain a seat at the Guardian Council.

Again contrary to your statement, the Iranian Constitution states in Article 91.2:

"six jurists, specializing in different areas of law, to be elected by the Islamic Consultative Assembly [Majles] from among the Muslim jurists nominated-by the Head of the Judicial Power."

In other terms, the democratically and directly elected parliament can freely pick six out of a number of jurists nominated by the Head of the Judiciary. Once again it's obvious that the role of Majles is not confined to symbolical confirmation of a decision previously made by the Head of the Judiciary.

So we have at least four blatant untruths and/or misrepresentations about Iran from you in a single thread. Luckily someone's here to set the record straight.

So to sum it up :

6 members are appointed by the supreme leader , the other 6 by the chief Justice - who is also appointed by the supreme leader.

So the Supreme controls 6 of them , and controls the person that nominates the other 6 .

Here's how it actually works:

1) Six adil fuqaha are appointed by the Supreme Leader to the Guardian Council.
2) Six other jurists specializing in various areas of law are freely chosen by the democratically elected parliament from amongst a list of nominees submitted to it by the Chief Justice.

The former six are therefore elected by parliament, which itself is elected by the people.

And this you want to sell to the people here as : " democratically and directly elected by the people. "

What I stated is:

- The parliament is democratically and directly elected by the people. Which is true.

- The Assembly of Experts, which appoints the Supreme Leader and can also remove him (meaning that the Leader is responsible in front of the Assembly, is democratically and directly elected by the people). Which is also true.

Conclusion: the Leader is indirectly elected by the Iranian people.

Hope others here are not fooled by your misrepresentation .

Facts are what I offered. Only hard, verifiable facts and nothing else.

Unlike at least four outright fabrications and/or misrepresentations you came up with.

 

[Bilal9]

i see you came to peddle your fanatic ideas here , after the Iranians members kicked you of the Iranian chill thread :

Iranian Chill Thread

Guys, now when my country is finally waking up, do you think Iran can help Russia with not just drones, but also with body armour and other related stuff that are needed to equip a soldier? I wont be surprised if there were talks in this regard. Is Iran producing enough of these kind of stuff...

defence.pk

hiding behind long crafted words and sentences , would not change the basic fact , that you support bigots and wish to force people to do something against their obvious will , only cause you said so.

Why don't you wear hijab if you like it so much.



Warning ! ! ! do not watch this clip if you are easily offended , it contains disturbing images of woman with their hair visible ! ! ! :

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In the 1980's there an entire genre named "Big Hair Rock". "Rush" was one of the bands.

If Iranian girls cut off their hair or burn their veils, will their gender go away?

Gender is a fact. As is the fact that all of us passed between the legs of a Woman.

Denying gender roles does not help anyone. If you don't like the veil or chador, then there is the option to leave.