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Seems like an internal conflict within Iran. Something for Iranians to work out on their own without foreign meddling or judgement.

As for Beast. It seems you misunderstand what Hussain is saying. He means that similar criticisms used against Iran have been used against China. For you to fall for whatever bell is ringing by the West against Iran, other people also fall for similar methods when it comes to China. They do not see or care about how well CPC has done and how well China has progressed. The mainstream thought is not on the things you mentioned but the things Hussain mentioned.

It is not about what is true. It is about what the narrative being spread are and how majority of people believe even if it is inaccurate or even totally untrue. As for Iran's own internal disputes, that's not for you to judge, Mullah or whatever. We don't understand them no more than they understand us. The best is to at least be respectful of the separation along those political and religious lines. A non Muslim simply cannot comment on this issue which isn't simply one of religion but one of the politics within a sect of Islam.
 
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Nothing we can do as foreigners here, just let Iranians solve their own problem. That is the problem of their nation. Nothing can be forced by outside people.

Persian has already conquered Rome with Hannibal invasion

Then later Algerian (under Hijazi leadership) conquere Spain which makes Western gets many knowledge from Muslim world to start their renaissance.

Any way we have lived in modern world and I hope no invasion to other country ever existed again
 
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All i can say about this whole situation is that the reactions to this thread is funny.
 
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Regardless of their political stance, the Iranians should not do what the Westerners tell them to do.
Ordinary iranian are not doing what the western telling them to do. They are helping themselves for the better of Iran. And the mullah will try to make any protest against their oppressive regime as subversive from western nations.

How pathetic is that.

Seems like an internal conflict within Iran. Something for Iranians to work out on their own without foreign meddling or judgement.

As for Beast. It seems you misunderstand what Hussain is saying. He means that similar criticisms used against Iran have been used against China. For you to fall for whatever bell is ringing by the West against Iran, other people also fall for similar methods when it comes to China. They do not see or care about how well CPC has done and how well China has progressed. The mainstream thought is not on the things you mentioned but the things Hussain mentioned.

It is not about what is true. It is about what the narrative being spread are and how majority of people believe even if it is inaccurate or even totally untrue. As for Iran's own internal disputes, that's not for you to judge, Mullah or whatever. We don't understand them no more than they understand us. The best is to at least be respectful of the separation along those political and religious lines. A non Muslim simply cannot comment on this issue which isn't simply one of religion but one of the politics within a sect of Islam.
Nothing religion or not when they even ban women from entering the stadium just to watch a football match. This is called oppressive and foolish.

No religion in the world will classify women watching live football match as immoral or Haram. Only evil will do that.

Says who?

Iran does whatever it wants. We don't give a shit about what a Chinese may think of.
That is why Iranian need to do what is right regardless of other opinion and free this generation from oppressive regime.
 
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Persian has already conquered Rome with Hannibal invasion

Then later Algerian (under Hijazi leadership) conquere Spain which makes Western gets many knowledge from Muslim world to start their renaissance.

Any way we have lived in modern world and I hope no invasion to other country ever existed again
What does Hannibal have to do with Persia? What do Algerians have to do with Spain?

What do you even read about European history?!
 
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Ordinary iranian are not doing what the western telling them to do. They are helping themselves for the better of Iran. And the mullah will try to make any protest against their oppressive regime as subversive from western nations.

How pathetic is that.


Nothing religion or not when they even ban women from entering the stadium just to watch a football match. This is called oppressive and foolish.

No religion in the world will classify women watching live football match as immoral or Haram. Only evil will do that.


That is why Iranian need to do what is right regardless of other opinion and free this generation from oppressive regime.

Only internal power can revolutionize their own country. CIA and others who you think very highly cannot do this as well.

The same like what happen in Indonesia when our Muslim group kick out Communism from our country.

If USA or CIA has the power they have already made Indonesia separated which their attempt during RMS and PRRI/PERMESTA rebel.
 
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Persian has already conquered Rome with Hannibal invasion

Then later Algerian (under Hijazi leadership) conquere Spain which makes Western gets many knowledge from Muslim world to start their renaissance.

Any way we have lived in modern world and I hope no invasion to other country ever existed again

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Hannibal was a Phoenician general from modern-day Tunisia. Phoenicians were a Semitic people closely related to Arabs and originally from Lebanon and Eastern Arabia (their original homeland). Hannibal and Phoenicians not only far predated Persians but they have absolutely nothing to do with Persians.

Similarly there were no Algerians back then (a country that was created in 1960) and the conquest of Al-Andalus (Spain and Portugal) was the work of Arabs with a small contingent of allied (already conquered by then) Berbers, another closely related peoples to Arabs.

The only non-European powers that have ruled large European territories for long are the Arabs (Spain, Portugal, Malta, Crete/Greece, parts of Italy and France and the Ottomans with Greece and large areas of Balkan.

I suggest correcting your post.
 
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:lol:

Hannibal was a Phoenician general from modern-day Tunisia. Phoenicians were a Semitic people closely related to Arabs and originally from Lebanon and Eastern Arabia (their original homeland). Hannibal and Phoenicians not only far predated Persians but they have absolutely nothing to do with Persians.

Similarly there were no Algerians back then (a country that was created in 1960) and the conquest of Al-Andalus (Spain and Portugal) was the work of Arabs with a small contingent of allied (already conquered by then) Berbers, another closely related peoples to Arabs.

The only non-European powers that have ruled large European territories for long are the Arabs (Spain, Portugal, Malta, Crete/Greece, parts of Italy and France and the Ottomans with Greece and large areas of Balkan.

I suggest correcting your post.

OK I am still happy for the correction buddy :tup:

 
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Haven't gone thru the whole thread but saw the vid, players many times won't sing aloud but stand together.. across sports.

What makes this a "protest" ?
 
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Haven't gone thru the whole thread but saw the vid, players many times won't sing aloud but stand together.. across sports.

What makes this a "protest" ?
They are supposed to open mouth and sang but they didn't even bother. Cos the are frustrated with the mullah killing ordinary Iranian for their own power.
 
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The Mullah need to let go of great Iran. They led the country astray and lost a generation. They have lost the faith of all ordinary Iranian.
its a savage and brutal regime like taliban.
now the families of these players will face the consequences. I am receiving videos sent to me by my friends who have been to Iran in recent months,
the situation is grim.
the state forces are shooting at unarmed protestors directly and dropping them in the middle of roads and streets. no amount of ranting by pro regime bots can dispel those shocking images.

this mullah regime has no regard for Iranian life. everyone protesting is declared a heretic, spy of West and Arabs. the way regime is brutalizing its people might result in every ordinary Iranian into becoming a "spy and a heretic"
ignore what the Iranian state bots rant and say on forum. don't engage with them just report them for their inappropriate language.

those Iranians are for a fright if they over throw ayatollahs they will get a CIA backed hardcore dictator who will ramm broken bottles up their back ends in some dark cell.
thats a painful thought. how did you come up with something so fcked up?
 
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سر زد از افق مهر خاوران
فروغ دیده‌ی حق‌ باوران
بهمن فر ایمان ماست
پیامت ای امام، استقلال، آزادی، نقش جان ماست
شهیدان، پیچیده در گوش زمان فریادتان
پاینده مانی و جاودان
جمهوری اسلامی ایران

English translation​


Upwards on the horizon rises the Eastern Sun,
The light in the eyes of the believers in truth,
Bahman is the zenith of our faith.
Your message, O Imam, of independence, freedom, is imprinted on our souls.
O Martyrs! Your clamors echo in the ears of time.
Enduring, continuing, and eternal.
The Islamic Republic of Iran![5]
on that anthem they cheated , after the revolution our anthem for more than a decade was this one
شد جمهوری اسلامی به پا
که هم دین دهد هم دنیا به ما
از انقلاب ایران دِگر
کاخ ستم گشته زیر و زِبَر
تصویر آینده ما، نقش مراد ماست
نیروی پاینده‌ی ما، ایمان و اتحاد ماست
یاریگر ما دست خداست
ما را در این نبرد او رهنماست
در سایه ی قرآن جاودان
پاینده بادا ایران

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آزادی چو گل ها در خاک ما
شکفته شد از خون پاک ما
ایران فرستد با این سرود
رزمندگان وطن را درود
آیین جمهوری ما، پشت و پناه ماست
سود سلحشوری ما، آزادی و رفاه ماست
شام سیاه سختی گذشت
خورشید بخت ما تابنده گشت
در سایهٔ قرآن جاودان
پاینده بادا ایران
The Islamic Republic has been established,
Giving us both the Faith and the World.
Through the Iranian Revolution
The palace of oppression has been overturned.
The image of our future is the role of our desire.
Our enduring power is our faith and unity.
Our helper is the hand of God.
He is our guide in this battle.
Under the Quran's shadow
Be forever, a lasting Iran!

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Freedom, like flowers in our soil
Blowed up with our pure blood
Iran sends with this anthem
Salute to the warriors of the fatherland
The religion of our Republic is our supporter and shelter
Profit of our bravery is our freedom and welfare
The dark night of adversity has passed
The sun of our fortune has begun glowing
Under the Quran's shadow
Be forever, a lasting Iran!

it was long so they made a competition for the new Anthem and one of the condition for the poem for the new anthem was that it be at least 1 min but less than 3+min of Payande bad Iran-e Javedan .
they cheated and accepted Mehr-e Khavaran which did not fulfil that condition and was only 59 second , till today I still wonder why ? on that ground Mehr-e Khavaran most have been disqualified
 
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Given that the thread starter has brought up disinformation in denial of the Islamic Republic's achievements and its successful efforts to develop Iran, allow me to set the record straight using valid sources, rather than mere allegations.

I will address the topics they mentioned, and complete the picture with other significant ones.

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General development


According to the UN's Human Development indicator, Iran is a country with high human development. Placed only ten ranks below the very high human development category.

https://en.irna.ir/news/84882870/Iran-climbs-up-in-UNDP-human-development-index

When it comes to the HDI growth rate, Iran has been among the world's top thirty since the establishment of the Islamic Republic.

Did I mention Iran (70th in 2019) beats China (85th in 2019) in HDI?


Living standards


Iranians have been better off than they used to be prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. In this paper, an academic with ample credentials demonstrates the fact:


This is despite 43 years of the harshest sanctions imposed by the USA regime, as well as eight years of a armed conflict (Iran-Iraq war 1980-1988), mind you.


Public education


At the time of the Islamic Revolution, less than 45% of Iranians could read and write. Today, the literacy rate has reached around 90%, and 96% for Iranians of ages 10 to 49. Even while the population rose from 38 to 85 million over the same period.

https://financialtribune.com/articles/people/102038/iran-literacy-rate-at-96

After 58 years of rule, the ousted pro-western Pahlavi regime had built a higher education system which could accommodate some 160.000 students. Today however, 43 years after the Islamic Revolution, between 4 and 5 million Iranians are studying at the country's numerous universities. In other words, an up to 31 fold increase, around 12 fold when factoring in the population growth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_Iran

https://financialtribune.com/articles/people/102038/iran-literacy-rate-at-96

The Islamic Republic expanded Iran's higher education system to such a remarkable extent, that scholars are now speaking of an over-education problem. There are so many university graduates in Iran that the job market can impossibly absorb them all:

https://blogs.worldbank.org/arabvoices/iran-education-crises

Speaking of the situation of women in Iran, there's a telling detail here: some 60% or more of university entrants in Iran are female. This used to be much lower under the former regime. So much for the Islamic Republic "oppressing" and "forcing backwards norms onto women".

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/dec/09/part-5-statistics-women-iran


Science and technology


Iran has taken huge strides in this department since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The OP's statements on the topic (as on others pertaining to Iran), are literally turning reality on its head.

In fact Iran is leading the Islamic world in scientific research, simple as that. You may find plenty of information and data on this in the following thread, credit goes to user drmeson:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-supremacy-in-scientific-r-d-in-the-islamic-world.739588/

In numerous branches of science, Iran is among the top ranking nations by non-self citations of peer-reviewed published research on SJR (Scientific Journal Rankings).

Iran is considered to be among world leaders in an innovative field such as nanotechnologies:


Iran is the West Asian leader in stem cell research, and is viewed as an important contributor at the global scale:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25896200/

Just weeks ago, Iran inaugurated a world class space observatory, consisting of a telescope the type of which India and Turkey are yet to complete constructing:



Iran is one of few countries in the world to launch its own satellites into space:





Infrastructures


Again contrary to the OP's suggestion, infrastructural development has been outstanding in Iran.

Every aspect of this field has undergone an unprecedented boom since the foundation of the Islamic Republic.

In 1979, Iran was deprived of urban railway systems. Today, six Iranian cities are equipped with metro and/or suburban commuter rail, with three additional metro systems under construction. The metro network in the capital city of Tehran features seven active lines, with a total length of 155,8 km in addition to 97,9 km of commuter lines. With 145 stations and a daily ridership of 2,5 million.

This makes Tehran Metro the 20th most extensive of its kind in the world in terms of network length, and 25th in terms of stations. At the Asian level, Tehran's metro system ranks 16th and 17th, respectively.

metro.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Metro

In regards to the national road network, there were less than 300 kilometers of multi-lane highways and freeways in all of Iran at the end of shah regime. Have a look at how amazingly the network developed over the past 43 years under the Islamic Republic, to attain many thousands of kilometers:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/irans-infrastructure-projects.715443/post-13513339

In 1979, Tehran's 4 million inhabitants had access to no more than around 50 km of ring-roads and urban highways, numbering about three in total. Today as we speak, the map of the capital city's highways resembles this:

Tehran_Expressways_map.png


2011-09-28_16-20-06_Iran.jpg


The pace of highway construction in Iran (per capita) may well have been second only to China during the past four decades. At any rate Iran's up there amongst the top nations.

Iran's electricity generation, for its part, skyrocketed from less than 25 billion kWh in 1979 to over 306 billion kWh today, a more than 10 fold increase. The margin between production and consumption widened as well, meaning Iran's exporting much more electricity.

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https://www.researchgate.net/figure...n-and-consumption-1979-2014-19_fig8_335489641

Not only that, but Iran's MAPNA industrial company has successfully reverse engineered Siemens gas turbines for power plants and is producing them indigenously from scratch, even exporting to Russia. To repeat, these are fully fledged production not assembly lines we're talking about, with the most sensitive components such as turbine blades being manufactured domestically. Under the former regime, Iranians could only dream of such a hi-tech feat.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202210/1277871.shtml



No matter what type of infrastructure you'll look at, the same sort of eye-catching, rapid progress has been registered since the 1979 Revolution. Pay attention to the following chart:

1643243201999-png.811360


A trove of figures, reports, charts and pictures on Iran's infrastructures is to be found at the link below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/irans-infrastructure-projects.715443/


Public health


In this sector too, the Islamic Republic has successfully transformed Iran into a well developed nation.

Not only did the numbers of physicians and medical facilities increase exponentially.

Not only is Iran designing and producing sophisticated medical equipment domestically, such as CT/PET scanners:


Or surgery robots, with an export contract to Indonesia:

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14000517000660/Iran-Expr-Hme-Made-‘Sina’-Srgen-Rb-Indnesia



Not only is Iran producing some 90% of all required medical drugs domestically, and two thirds of required medical drugs including their pharmaceutical active compound.

Not only is Iran one of a handful of countries which developed and produced their own COVID-19 vaccines:

https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/83/


But Iran has become a major destination for medical tourism, ranking 10th worldwide by value and outclassing China.

m1.jpg


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6708548/

https://raadinahealth.com/en/blog/what-is-health-tourism

https://gomediran.com/medical-tourism-in-iran/


Industrial development


To cite just a couple of examples of Iran's tremendous industrial development under the Islamic Republic.

Iran is the world's 10th largest producer of steel:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/steel-production-by-country

The world's 7th largest producer of cement:

https://datis-inc.com/blog/how-many-cement-plants-are-producing-in-iran-2020/

21375.jpg


The world's 20th producer of automobiles:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/car-production-by-country

The world's 21st producer of aluminum:

21376.jpg


The world's 13th producer of copper:

21379.jpg


Furthermore Iran is endowed with an extensive chemical and petrochemical manufacturing sector, a massive mining sector, significant electronics including home appliances industries, a large defence industrial sector, food processing and so on.

21415.jpg



For further illustration, a hundred and eighty pages of information on various goods produced in Iran:



Agricultural development


Information compiled by user Cancerous Tumor, reflecting Iran's prowess in this strategic aspect of the economy:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...ast-post-jcpoa-potential.737651/post-13862810

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In conclusion, as you can clearly see the narrative according to which Iran fell behind and became under-developed as a result of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the advent of the Islamic Republic, boils down to a misrepresentation and inversion of reality.

Thing is, the anti-IR crowd may excel at shouting slogans and issuing blanket claims but when one takes the time to conduct proper research and examine the concrete information available, the whole rhetoric construct of the Islamic Republic of Iran's antagonists will instantly fall flat.

Not only has Iran not regressed under the present political system, but has on the contrary experienced rare levels of development in practically every key area. Iran went from being a politically subjugated, mono-sectorial crude oil exporter during the previous regime, hence the artificially bloated GDP back then, to an independent, respectably industrialized powerhouse with a well diversified economy - radical hostility of the imperial powers to be notwithstanding. Don't fall for misinformation published by biased sources.
 
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Given that the thread starter has published blatant disinformation in an attempt to deny the Islamic Republic's record in developing Iran, allow me to set the record straight using valid sources, not mere allegations.

I will address the topic they mentioned, and complete the picture with other important ones.

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* General development. According to the UN's Human Development indicator, Iran is a country with high human development. Placed only ten ranks below the very high human development category.

https://en.irna.ir/news/84882870/Iran-climbs-up-in-UNDP-human-development-index

When it comes to the HDI growth rate, Iran has been among the world's top thirty since the establishment of the Islamic Republic.

Oh, did I mention Iran (70th in 2019) beats China (85th in 2019) in HDI? The irony.

* Living standards. Iranians have been much better off than they used to be prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Here's a paper by an academic demonstrating the fact:


This is despite 43 years of the harshest sanctions imposed by the USA regime, as well as eight years of an Imposed War (Iran-Iraq war 1980-1988), mind you.

* Public education. At the time of the Islamic Revolution, less than 45% of Iranians could read and write. Today, the literacy rate has reached around 90%, and 96% for Iranians of ages 10 to 49. Even while the population rose from 38 to 85 million over the same period.

https://financialtribune.com/articles/people/102038/iran-literacy-rate-at-96

After 58 years of rule by the ousted pro-western Pahlavi regime, Iran had no more than about 160.000 students in the higher education system. Today, between 4 and 5 million Iranians are studying at the country's numerous universities. In other words, an up to 31 fold increase, around 12 fold when factoring in the population growth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_Iran

https://financialtribune.com/articles/people/102038/iran-literacy-rate-at-96

The Islamic Republic expanded Iran's higher education system to such an incredible degree, that scholars are now speaking of an over-education problem. There are so many university graduates in Iran that the job market can impossibly absorb them all:

https://blogs.worldbank.org/arabvoices/iran-education-crises

And speaking of the situation of women in Iran, there's a telling detail here: some 60% or more of university entrants in Iran are female. This used to be much lower under the former regime. So much for the Islamic Republic "oppressing" and "forcing backwards norms on women".

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/dec/09/part-5-statistics-women-iran

* Science and technology. Iran took huge strides in this department since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. User Beast's statements on this aspects as on all others, are literally turning reality on its head.

In fact Iran is leading the Islamic world in scientific research. You may find plenty of information and data on this in the following thread (credit to user drmeson):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-supremacy-in-scientific-r-d-in-the-islamic-world.739588/

* Infrastructures. Again contrary to the user's claims, infrastructural development has been outstanding in Iran.

Every aspect of this field has experienced an unprecedented boom since the foundation of the Islamic Republic.

In 1979, there were no urban railway systems anywhere in Iran. Today, six Iranian cities are equipped with metro and/or suburban commuter rail, with three additional metro systems under construction. The metro network in the capital city of Tehran features seven active lines, with a total length of 155,8 km in addition to 97,9 km of commuter lines. With 145 stations and a daily ridership of 2,5 million.

This makes Tehran Metro the 20th most extensive in the world in terms of network length, and 25th in terms of stations. At the Asian level, Tehran's metro system ranks 16th and 17th, respectively.

View attachment 899436

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Metro

In regards to the national road network, there were less than 300 kilometers of multi-lane highways and freeways in all of Iran at the end of shah regime. Have a look at how amazingly the network developed over the past 43 years under the Islamic Republic, to attain many thousands of kilometers:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/irans-infrastructure-projects.715443/post-13513339

The pace of highway construction in Iran (per capita) may well have been second only to China during the past four decades. At any rate Iran's up there amongst the top nations here as well.

Iran's electricity generation, for its part, skyrocketed from less than 25 billion kWh in 1979 to over 306 billion kWh today, an more than 10 fold increase.

Iran-electricity-generation-and-consumption-1979-2014-19.jpg


https://www.researchgate.net/figure...n-and-consumption-1979-2014-19_fig8_335489641

Not only that, but Iran's MAPNA industrial company has successfully reverse engineered Siemens gas turbines for power plants and is producing them 100% indigenously, even exporting to Russia. Under the former regime, Iranians could only dream of such a hi-tech feat.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202210/1277871.shtml



No matter what type of infrastructure you look at, the same sort of eye-catching, rapid progress has been registered since the 1979 Revolution. Pay attention to the following chart:

1643243201999-png.811360


A trove of figures, reports, charts and pictures on Iran's infrastructures is to be found at the link below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/irans-infrastructure-projects.715443/

* Public health. In this field as well, the Islamic Republic has successfully transformed Iran into a well developed nation. Not only did the numbers of physicists and medical facilities increase exponentially, but Iran has become a major destination for medical tourism, ranking 10th worldwide by value and outclassing China.

View attachment 899438

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6708548/

https://raadinahealth.com/en/blog/what-is-health-tourism

https://gomediran.com/medical-tourism-in-iran/

* Industrial development. To cite just a couple of examples of Iran's tremendous industrial development under the Islamic Republic:

Iran is the world's 10th largest producer of steel:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/steel-production-by-country

The world's 7th largest producer of cement:

https://datis-inc.com/blog/how-many-cement-plants-are-producing-in-iran-2020/

The world's 20th producer of automobiles:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/car-production-by-country

Has an extensive chemical and petrochemical manufacturing sector, a massive mining sector, significant machinery and electronics industries, defence industrial sector, agriculture and large scale food processing and so on.

* Agricultural development. Information compiled by user Cancerous Tumor, reflecting Iran's prowess in this sector:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iran...ast-post-jcpoa-potential.737651/post-13862810

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In conclusion, as you can clearly see the narrative according to which Iran fell behind and became under-developed as a result of the 1979 Islamic Revolution and the advent of the Islamic Republic, boils down to a full fledged misrepresentation and inversion of reality.

Thing is, the anti-IR crowd may excel at shouting slogans and issuing blanket claims but when one takes the time to conduct proper research and examine the concrete information available, the whole rhetoric construct of the Islamic Republic of Iran's enemies will instantly fall flat.

Not only has Iran not regressed under the present political system, but has on the contrary experienced rare levels of development in practically every key area.

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But u cannot deny the fact, Iran has an economy size of only 200 billion USD but with a population of 86 millions people. That is pathetic and if we factor in inflation. It's the same level as Iran in 1979.

Can ordinary Iranian fill their stomach with high education when there is no job for their skill?
 
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